#batman ditf

[violent138]

"All of you, get up, we have a job to do." Jason declared, entering the room where several of his men were lazily playing cards.

"And who the hell are you supposed to be, kid?"

"Oh for fuck's--" Jason, glaring at them, puts his hood back on. The modulated voice that growls out is unmistakable. "It's me, dumbasses."

And everyone instantly shoots to their feet, grabbing weaponry.

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

Honorary appreciation post for this mentally exhausted sweetheart.

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

There are so many tragedies that come into play with Jason's death. From being doomed from the beginning by the writer, to how it happened, to no one ever finding out the truth about Sheila.

But the aspect I want to focus on is his funeral.

There were only four people attending.

Bruce, Alfred, Jim and Barbara.

Four.

This is sad in and of itself, especially considering that Bruce hadn't even contacted Dick so he wasn't there either.

But also because usually superhero funerals are big. The community comes together.

During Superman's funeral, the Justice League were carrying his casket. When Spider-Man died in the Ultimate universe, the entire church was full, with even J. Jonah Jameson attending to pay his honours.

But I think one of the best examples to compare this to is the death of Bart Allen, aka Impulse aka Kid Flash

The funeral is in a stadium. All the ranks are full, as shown in the background.

Bart was never meant to be long term, because the plan was always to bring Barry back. Bart was supposed to bridge that gap. Then sales tanked and they chose to kill him off sooner.

He was beaten to death by the Rogues.

So you have the doomed from the beginning aspect, they were both children when they were murdered, they were both in hero outfit and were both killed by a rogue/villain. And yet, Bart got this treatment of being recognised and honored by the hero community while Jason didn't. No big speech, no people coming up, telling tales or paying their last respects.

Just Bruce, Alfred, Jim and Barbara.

And you could make the argument "Oh, but Central City and Keystone love the Flash! They have a Flash museum! Even a Flash Day, honoring the Flash!"

But Gotham is also proud of having Batman. That's their protector, and Robin has been by his side for almost just as long.

[neurotic-sinkhole]

i just left my local comic shop. i just finished my last exam so i'm looking for the death in the family books as a little treat. there were none in this shop, so i go up to the register to pay for the couple others i picked up. when i tell the owner (he knows me a little, i'm a regular there) what i just said he just kinda smiled and nodded. i told him that i was really shocked that the whole thing with death in the family was that they let readers vote if robin should die. he laughed again, and NO JOKE said "my bad".

i asked him what he meant. he told me that he not only voted for jason robin to die, but that he campaigned in his little neighboorhood knocking door to door asking people to call in and vote. apparently it was like 50 cents per call back then so he was literally soliciting to kill robin.

when i was, might i say reasonably, surprised by this revelation, he then explained that there weren't really deaths in comic books like that yet. maybe some b or c list characters, but never someone so intergral to the story. so when he voted, he did it more to see what the writers could handle. how would they navigate the death of jason todd? how would the writers continue on writing the batman series, a heavily family infused series.

so the 72 vote margin that actually killed jason might because of my local comic book shop owner. he might have effectively been the reason jason died.

[daisybell-on-a-carousel]

We should talk more about the fact Jason got swarmed and attacked by a mob as Robin, like??? Hello. He had to be left there because the mob was too violent with Batman near. He had to be taken to the hospital.

Look at those injuries!!

The next time we see him he's forcing himself out of bed and putting on the Robin costume thinking "I've gotta do what I can to help, even if it kills me!"

The next next time we see him he has walked into yet another violent mob

I cannot stop thinking about this story and the effects it probably had on him honestly. Do you think it's made him nervous in crowds, do you think it made him trust others just that bit less. How long do you think he was being attacked before he was found, the scene had cleared. "I've gotta do what I can to help, even if it kills me!",,,,

Just the concept itself! I don't know about you guys but being attacked and grabbed and trampled into unconsciousness sounds absolutely terrifying! Did he black out, still getting hit, thinking he was going to die? Knowing he couldn't defend himself as his injuries to took their toll? At their complete mercy?

1986-87 Legends, issue #2 (the attack), #3 (the hospital), #5 (getting up), #6 (defending heros from another forming mob)

2010 DC Universe: Legacies, issue #6 (flashback panel to Legends moment)

[shyjusticewarrior]

Catherine tried to protect Jason from the effects of her mistakes. Jason assumed Shelia would do the same cause that's his reference for what a mother is.

[punkeropercyjackson]

Jason Todd characterization guide

Created for fans who're too scared to read comics but love Jason!Also gentle reminder that you can just watch Batman:Under The Red Hood and be set!!

As Robin,Jason was a peppy altruistic softboy who was extremely kind to everyone and a nerd in both senses of the word but also had a huge bite that loosing his parents and living on the streets as a child gave him and had a lot of snark and cheekiness to him.He also pushed a man off a building for raping a woman so as he does now,he's always respected women and has zero tolerance for men's bullshit

He's a lifelong literature nerd and a gamer,his favorite color is green and his favorite food is neapolitan

He's very manly,yes,but not stereotypically and his anger and violent tendencies aren't a part of his gender but a trauma response and mental illness symptoms.His masculinity is the positive and healthy kind and he's not a pissbaby about femininity or kiddy things

He's canonically goth punk and i mean punk,as in part of punk subculture,not a thirst trap.He hates rich people and refuses to move back in with Bruce on principal,he believes in acab,he dosen't actively seek out to do activism due to plot but he DOES help out whoever he encounters that lives under thumb of the system,he's anti toxic social norms like amatonormativity and roasts them,he's an intersectionalist who respects all his minority loved ones identities and same goes for other minority characters he meets and while he didn't target exclusively bad people back when he killed,he DID state he believes they deserve it the most and one of his victim's include a pedophillic teacher who was csa'ing one of his student's

Pit Madness isn't real and was created to infantalize and flatten him.His ghost aspects manifests moreso in dissociation-esque moments for him and the Lazarus Pit's actual effects on him were amping up his physical capabilities by making him way stronger

His taste in partners is women of color and he's grossed out by normie women because they make him uncomfortable and pissed off with their types of flirtation due to his trauma and weirdo status-Said woc are his love interests who're an egyptian woman,a wasian/half cambodian woman and a monoracial afrolatina and the rejected normie girls are a blonde blue eyed voluptous flight attendant and the whitewashed born sexy yesterday-ified version of Starfire.Jason has class

He's in that weird place where he's super cocky and thinks he's hot shit but also hates himself and thinks he deserves even worse than he's gotten.He displays all the requirements for having ptsd,bpd and npd and possibly even DID

He dosen't care for alcohol or smoking,most likely the latter is due to A Death In The Family(where he got blown up)

He expresses his affection by bickering and non-maliciously poking fun and dosen't hold back on words of affirmation,acts of service and quality time.It's a rare occurance but he's a great gift giver too!

His Robin is Duke and he's Duke's Robin too.I cannot emphasize how important they are to eachother-Jason came back to the Batfam only because Duke is now a part of it and instantly loved him and got along with him,none of which is true for literally any other Batkids and he fully and unshakebly believes Duke is a real Robin,Batkid AND Batboy and tells him that all the time and that's exactly what he wants after being an outcast and not part of the group his whole life.Them fanarts and posts of 'The Core Batboys'?Fake,ooc and inherently erasure.There's no Jason without Duke and anybody who tells you otherwise just hates black people

Relatedly,anybody who tells you afrolatino Jason is racist also just hates black people.WE made that headcanon,nobody else so watch your mouths seeing as you're also Core Batkid Duke deniers.And on afrolatino Jason takes,he should be monoracial,dominican because his birthday is on our restoration day,a dreadhead and heavily connected to his roots as Talia,Alfred and Bruce would do research to make sure he could still grow up on his culture

He listens to punk rock and metal and is a dog person

As Red Hood,he believed he was doing the right thing by trying to control crime but the point of that is that he was wrong and that's because in real life,that's not how it works and is a problematic political stance as it's dehumanizing and criminals deserve rights(no,i'm not joking.i'm an actual radicalist and so is Jason post getting over himself and Robin!Jason was a lil anarchist)

The scene of Talia sleeping with him in Lost Days should never be aknowledge as it was written by an islamophobe who admitted to not reading her comics and if you 'joke' about it considering that and that Jason was a minor at the time,then congrats,you're a racist misogynist and a creep who shouldn't allowed near minors irl OR online.Talia and Jason interacted positively during his Robin days and their dynamic is mother and son

Him and Dick were on good terms in his Robin Days too,Tim shittalked him when he was dead a lot and Jason was never obsessed with him-much less to the extent of attraction and he's canonically anti-incest as he said he'd never wanna kiss any of the four brothers he has(see what i mean with never shutting up about Duke?),he and Damian are close and the second closest next to him and Duke in regards to Jason Batboy relathionships,Cass scares him and she shouldn't be close to him unless he stopped killing as it's a vital part of her she follows the no kill rule and her story is femalecentric one by design and him and Stephanie are found siblings

He hates Roy for coddling him all the time no matter how much he protested and thinks of him as an annoying idiot and while that's not true pre-N52 or in current canon,he has a right to establish boundries.Jayr*y Jason is Bad™️.Eddie should be his male best friend as adults instead since they were pen pals and oh yeah,actually the same fucking age instead of a 14 year old and a grown ass man with a daughter

Bonus headcanons i find very fitting as someone who started with Utrh and has read every Jason comics apperance and watched and played almost all his adaptions:He's a straightedge,he listens to Mcr and Korn and Jack Stauber's Micropop and rap,Robin!Jason was a Kory fanboy and not a Wonder Woman one because pre-N52 Kory is everything he admires in women(including the black part),his 'he's literally me' character is Ichigo Kurosaki and his ideal woman is an afrolatina version of Orihime Inoue,he's transmasc agender and goth/ghostgender as xenogenders and reclaims the f slur as a shorthand descriptor,he owns a jumbo sized Jake The Dog plush,he's a master chef with a specialty in dominican,arabic and mexican foods,he's covered in scars and some are self-harm ones,he's jacked(fat AND buff)and he's a Team Dad to break the cycle and his non-bio kids are the Kid Outlaws from mine and my mutuals Rhato fixit(120 issues and 2010-2020 runtime,is what he deserves)and Damian's generation the All New Teen Titans and if he were to have a daughter,he'd give her a gothic name

[rockingthegraveyard]

I love you, son.

[distort-opia]

https://www.tumblr.com/distort-opia/693230466074132480/top-10-gayest-things-batman-has-uttered-about-the

Literally screaming reading this. Show this to my friend, they don't even ship batjokes but even they acknowledge how gay it is. A part 2 maybe?

Ah yes, I love that post too. Sorry to have taken so long, but here's a Part 2 to "Gayest things Bruce has uttered about or to Joker"!

11) “It's me you want -- it's me you've always wanted. Free her and I'll let you have me. [...] All the bullets in all their guns won't stop me from reaching you... the adrenalin of all the years between us will carry me straight to your throat, Joker... and when the bullets finally bring me down... I'll drag you down with me.”

-- Detective Comics (1937) #532

12) “...but that isn't my mission here. It's him. I'm just as obsessed with him as you are.”

-- Batman (2016) #135

13) “Does he recognize me? Does he know who I am? I may never know. I'm feeling a terrible sense of finality... We've been linked to each other for so long, neither of us truly understanding the bond.”

-- Batman: A Death in the Family (1988)

14) “Don't you understand? I don't want to hurt you. I don't want either of us to end up killing the other. [...] It doesn't have to end like that. I don't know what it was that bent your life out of shape, but who knows? Maybe I've been there too. Maybe I can help. We could work together. I could rehabilitate you. You needn't be out there on the edge anymore. You needn't be alone. We don't have to kill each other.”

-- Batman: The Killing Joke (1988)

15) “Joker, you need to remember who you are, you just need to take my hand, and you'll remember your old life... [...] Joker! Take my hand! [...] We can beat this. Together.”

-- Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III (2019) #1

16) “I was afraid of what he'd do... when I was gone. [...] I wish he were still alive.”

-- Batman: Damned (2018) #3

17) “I made this wretch... I'll have to mind him.”

-- Batman: Lovers and Madmen (2007)

18) “Is he mirroring my broken psyche with his fake smile? Is the Joker... broken too?”

-- Batman (2016) #128 (I Am A Gun)

19) “If I beat you long enough, hard enough... You'll tell me.”

-- Action Comics (1938) #719

20) “I'm trying to figure out what the Joker was doing naked... does he always remove his clothes first?”

-- Detective Comics (2016) #1000

[spiritleigh]

Just remembered that I made this on cap cut a couple months ago 💀

[andstuffsketches]

was explaining jason's story to my friend as "its like if little orphan annie died at the end"

[violent138]

Thinking about Jason's death because of his second death-subsequent-return. It's a creepy inverse of the circumstances of Bruce's parents' death. Instead of the Waynes being stolen from, Sheila is a thief. There's a symbolic loss of innocence with the pearls, and a very similar loss of innocence for Jason who gets betrayed. While there was nothing Bruce could do for his parents and he was left alive, Jason still attempts to save Sheila and dies with her. The Waynes' killing has messy consequences, but it happens in an isolated place that's supposed to be familiar to them. Jason's death (while technically has less of an impact) is accompanied by an explosion, and it happens far away from his home and everything he knows. Bruce is the only constant between them, playing a similar role in both deaths.

[jasontoddenthusiastt]

Batman: Death in the Family (2020)

Happy Birthday Jason!

It’s hard to put to words how important you are to so many of us. Your 40 years of existence in the dcu may have been arduous and unforgiving, but everything you stand for will always resonate with fans who know and appreciate you.

[goodoldfashionedengineer]

Jason: "I've never felt more like a zombie and I've literally crawled out of my own grave"

[ky-landfill]

[brucie-baby]

genuinely can't get over the way the end of under the red hood parallels death in the family, with the only difference being that the parts they play in their own destruction are so much more explicit.

ditf has jason being deeply wounded and then dying in an explosion that consequently signs the unfulfilled death warrants of bruce and the joker.

this exact thing happens in utrh, but this time bruce is the one that wounds jason, and it's jason that plants the bomb that literally kills him, bruce and the joker.

it's all just about two people who are so very different from who they used to be, who cannot move past who they used to be. it's about two partners who have learned new tricks but cannot rid themselves of their reflexes. it's about a father and a son who try to reach for the other only to find their hands forming fists. they know each other too well. they do not know each other at all.