#anti-zoophobia

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Yep, Just Like Her Other Issues, She Still Doesn't Give Her So-Called Main Female Lead The Spotlight She Deserves

Seriously, she did both Cameron and Charlie dirty in favor of her pets who everyone gets annoyed at are overexposed or the fact that she drops the og premise to focus on said mentioned pets. Also they really need to punished that woman who tricked Cameron into coming to the Haven because she's now trapped there. Also Charlie had so much potential in the pilot that's she reduced to a childish wimp who sees her much younger partner as a father figure and naively thinks that all sinners just made a few mistakes.

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"I read Zoophobia and the last chapter of it focus on none others, but the romance between Addison and Gustav (a student and a teacher) despite it supposed to be about Cameron. Now Helluva Boss focusing entirely on Stolitz instead of I.M.P."

[felicjana050896]

A few words about Charlastor

Today I saw this post:

(Sorry, I can't post the link, Twitter doesn't want to work on my computer today :\ )

I will quote it here because it made me think again:

Currently, the closest person to Charlie is Vaggie, while Alastor invades her space, Vaggie and Alastor are opposed to each other, Vaggie wants to run a hotel for Charlie (her whole life is based on Charlie...), while Alastor has his own reasons (more on which later we don't fully know) and the two are portrayed as opposing forces pulling Charlie, Vaggie in one direction and Alastor in the other. Charlie's relationship with Alastor will deepen in future seasons (which the author wrote about, that Alastor and Charlie are the main characters of HH and what we see after the pilot), thus distancing it from Vaggie, which we see already in the first season (and what I wrote posts about ), that Charlie's relationship with Vaggie will surely deteriorate as it goes on, their quarrel over Vaggie's lie was, in my opinion, just the first glitch in their relationship (although not very well written in my opinion anyway), at some point in the story Charlie will had to choose between Vaggie and Alastor (and Niffty):

And considering the other screenshots, they are either forshadowings only to the fact that in future seasons Charlie will be getting closer to Alastor and away from Vaggie, or they may generally herald Alastor's victory over Vaggie, it depends, they are definitely confirmation that the further the seasons, the more Charlostor's content we will have than Chaggie's, the only question is which one will be the endgame?

Alastor stealing Charlie:

Significant bed scene, Vaggie wakes up without Charlie, alone, and Charlie is later in bed with Alastor on a heart-shaped pillow:

Besides, I read about Zoophobia and old sketches of Alastor and Autumn, and in my opinion Autumn reminds me a bit of Charlie... but in order.... First, let's go to Roo or Eve (if you prefer), well, I saw one Tik Tok and I definitely agree with it:

Charlie actually resembles Eve much more than Lilith, it always surprised me that Charlie has more father-like features both in appearance and character, and has none of Lilith's (especially when it comes to her ahem... physical qualities...), but I thought they just made her a typical "daddy's girl" and that's it... but if Eve is Charlie's mother and not Lilith..., we still had Lucifer's comment that he stole from Adam both wives, both Lilith and Eve, and although he married Lilith, he probably slept with Eve..., then the only question arises: why did Lilith decide to raise a child that was not her own?

Roo (Eve):

Charlie:

Lilith:

Lucifer:

Charlie and Eve (Roo) have exactly the same nose, the same lines under their eyes (Charlie in his demonic form has them) and the body sharp is the same, Lucifer by the way does not have a nose (:D), Lilith has a completely different nose, only Eve's nose matches Charlie's....

Moving on, we know that Alastor made a deal with someone, many people speculate that he made it with Lilith, but there are also people who believe that with Roo and I, although I also considered Lilith at the beginning, it was thrown in our faces this 7-year break (that Lilith has not been in Hell for 7 years and Alastor disappeared for 7 years), seems too obvious..., moreover, we know that Lilith had a contract with Adam (end of episode 8), and Adam did not know Alastor, so how could Alastor have an agreement with Lilith and be with her for these 7 years in heaven, if Adam didn't know him at all..., while Roo..., and this is where the issue of Zoophobia begins, i.e. Viv's first idea, where most of the HH characters came from:

In Zoophobia we had the so-called KayCee, i.e. chaos itself and the main antagonist, interestingly KayCee liked apples (a reference to Eve and her picking an apple from the Garden of Eden, the first sin?):

KayCee had white hair, horns, and the original Alastor was in love with her:

So KayCee is nothing other than the prototype of Eve.

Moving on, the original Alastor was also obsessed with Autumn, the character of Zoophobia, a blonde deer:

Autumn is a very helpful and good-hearted character and: ,,Although outwardly he appears mature and rational, in reality he is extremely insecure, suffering from low self-esteem. Autumn continues to seek recognition and thanks from others for a little help from him, showing that he needs the appreciation of others. Autumn is also very sensitive and short-tempered: in the webcomic, when Rusty teases him about the little antlers, Autumn explodes in anger and violently scolds him."

Doesn't this in some way resemble the description of Charlie..., a girl with a good heart, wanting to help everyone, and also sometimes quick-tempered (when, for example, heaven rejects her or when Susan pisses her off :D )

So we have Eve, who used to be KayCee, and Charlie, who has a lot of Autumn in her, and if it turns out that Charlie is actually Eve's daughter, Charlie will be a combination of KayCee and Autumn, considering her appearance and character traits are taken from both, two characters that the original Alastor was crazy about ;)

And finally, some shots of Charlie and Alastor:

And remember about Niffty and KeeKee, they are very important, after all they are in the HH logo :)

KeeKee, a pet belonging to Charlie and Niffty, Alastor's ,,pet" ;)

Sorry for the long post again, but I just can't keep it short :D

Thank you for reading and have a nice day, evening or night :)

[s0nia246]

After looking at @pleasantspark 's post

I've been thinking about her old character from Zoophobia. Just looking at the ones I like in middle school.

Why were old designers more creative and didn't hurt my eyes.

Look at Magpie's hair 😍 😭😭😭 I loved looking at her as a kid. She's so beautiful

[kandy-sticks-zaza-blogs]

Mothelia Redesign

The Ex gf of Angelo and Arackniss.

She speaks Chinese and English.

She is Chinese because I don't see any Chinese representation.

Instead of Valentino it's Mothelia who would take his place.

Her voice claim is the Beret girl from Extremely Goofy movie.

I made her clothes and Hairstyles based off the 1940s.

A woman who died in the 1940s,She died by being burn alive while sleeping.

She is singer who moved to America because she is a famous singer from China.

Everyone calls her Mothelia is because her real name is hard to pronounce in Chinese.

When she first arrived at America she would think it’s a safe place to stay but she got arrested for killing her cheating boyfriend as the mob took her in and made her join the group so she would have revenge as she became the female boss getting up to the high ranks.

Mothelia became a moth sinner as she been a overlord for 30 years in hell living in the tower alone until she met Angelo in the 1970s as her heart flutter with love as they both fall inlove however it didn't last forever when she discovered that Angelo is a drug addict finding him in a high state mess and very messy as she broke up with him for being a terrible boyfriend Angelo is.

When she got broken up with Angelo she dated Angelo brother,Arackniss they both have in common as they dated for months but Arackniss father forced them to be distanced away from eachother as they never see eachother again.

She killed Valentino when he stole her money to distract her Mothelia came to the Vee’s Tower as she explained that she killed Valentino but Vox and Velvette are ecstatic that Valentino died that made Mothelia confused as Mothelia became one of the Vee’s new replacements for Valentino.

She finds him annoying when she first interacted thinking Vox would have a similar negative personality like her exes but Vox tries to persuade her as she finds him very amusing.

Vox falls in love with Mothelia liking her sly personality and her flirty demeanor,Mothelia finds him annoying thinking he is bribing her with money or company stuff but somehow flirts with him and Vox fell harder for her.

[palisman273]

Honestly, I want to give Viv a chance for one thing. Once both Hazbin and Helluva are over and she starts working on that promised Zoophobia reboot (please just make it a comic as to not create low payed animators) that Viv will surprise us by giving us something surprisingly decent, charming, and maybe even genuinely good.

I'm honestly praying for the Zoophobia reboot to be great so that Viv can say she actually created a genuinely good piece of work. She's a horrible human being as we've seen, but I'm hoping for her to get this right. It's a small chance she might, but I'm hoping for it, even as my cynical mind has soured on the Hellaverse and Viv as a whole

[spooky-donut-ghost-house]

Me: "I wonder what the Zoophobia fandom is like?"

Me, after seeing what the Zoophobia fandom is like:

[death-limes]

*holding your hands* I am also an enormous hazbin hotel hater, that shit is rank 🤝🤝🤝

🤝 admittedly i’d say my relationship with it is more complicated than just straight-up “hater.” there’s a part of my brain that’s kind of obsessed with it? more specifically, with its potential? the nuggets of good that ARE there, if you squint? which is part of the reason i like edits that just allow a peek at What If This Shit Was Handed To A Competent Artist. also i simp for Alastor because i have very Basic taste

like the two edits i recently posted don’t come CLOSE to the kind of changes this shit would need to actually be quality, but at the very least i just wanna try removing the Jank yknow. and half of removing the Jank is just letTING THESE POOR CHARACTERS HAVE EARS GODDAMN IT

[woomycritiques543]

Why do people keep ignoring the fact that Vivziepop sexualized Damian and is a shotacon?

It’s actually concerning how much people are ignoring this fact.

[jaydenknight]

Damian, recording: Story time!

Damian, approaching Tom: The young man sat there drinking his grape juice

Tom: Leave me alone, leave me alone!

Damian, pointing: I am your God, Thomas.

Tom, starting to run: NO LEAVE ME ALONE!

Damian, chasing him: YOU WILL BEND TO MY WILL!

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

I saw you pointing out how Vivienne has not changed since the Zoophobia comic back then and after thinking about that, I can only agree.

She is still introducing way too many characters as if she really needed them all. More than half end up not even being relevant because she only wants to focus on her favorites. She only wants to show off her OCs.

Her character designs are still all over the place and do not make sense nor are they elaborated. Why is Angel a spider? No one knows. Why does Moxxie have those legs but no other imp does? When was there ever a connection between Lucifer and ducks in the Bible? Bible Lucifer was supposed to be the most beautiful angel in heaven before he was cast out. Is she saying ducks are the height of beauty?

She still can't commit to finishing anything. She never finished Zoophobia. Look at what happened with the empty promise that way Allison. Her shows feel so half-assed because she just doesn't fully commit to them and instead always wants to move on what SHE likes and the parts SHE wants to show. What's in between doesn't matter nor if the plots remain unresolved or even makes sense.

The fact that she already wants to make a spin-off for the Vs + has made Helluva Boss before Hazbin Hotel was actually out shows that she still cannot commit to anything. She doesn't want to commit to characters. She doesn't want to commit to her own stories. She doesn't want to commit to her own shows, no matter how "passionate" she is about them. Maybe she is passionate about the concept of them, about the concept of Hazbin Hotel. But absolutely not about the actual show.

I genuinely am baffled that YouTube Essay people who cover her hardly ever seem to focus on these really big issues. Her own issues as a person aside - sometimes it seems as if no one notices why her shows, specifically Hazbin, are so mid and or below that.

Hazbin Hotel is just another empty promise of her's. She promised rich characters and yet she needs to canonize the headcanons of her fans and comes up with things on the spot, even though she's had some of them for so long. She promised a mature cartoon for adults. But her idea of mature is the same as that of edgy teens and Jojo Siwa. She promised a story that critizes Christianity but the story itself doesn't seem to know what Christianity is half the time.

This. She really keeps on giving great promises and not following through. She seems she will go farther than she did with Zoophobia but in exchange flop hard in execution because she doesn't properly build anything up or focuses on her favorites at the detriment of other characters. Also again she can't commit to a premise to save her life and it devolves into madness. Also old criticisms of Vivziepop's work are always so familiar and her fans have been always so crappy.

[vixxinn]

if u like this shit i’m automatically assuming you’re a zoophile

[palisman273]

My response to Mimzy's design supposedly being intentionally anti-semitic

Personally, I don't really think Viv was trying to be a malicious or hateful with this design, I think it just shows her gross incompetence to make any of her Hazbin characters to have distinctly animal features. Like, nobody in the main cast, besides arguably Husk as he admittedly does look distinctly like a cat but even he's hard to tell at first glance, look like the animal they're based on.

Like Mimzy, according to Viv, is meant to be a chicken and I'm like "Where motherfucker? Where?". Just what about this design screams or even hints at a chicken? The feather headdress? That's not really enough. She couldn't even make her feet look like those of a chicken.

The result of her not looking even remotely like a chicken unintentionally made her look like a jewish stereotype even if I know that's not what Viv intended.

Come on Viv, you redesiged Autumn from Zoophobia in the "Bad Luck Jack" short to look more deer-like, surely you could add more animal features to the HH characters. I know you can do better.

[bloodmoon24]

Hello. Hope I am not a bother to you by ANY means whatsoever, but I just came here to vent about some vivzie stuff that is just so bothersome to me that I need to let it out. Just a heads-up for that the main trigger warning in this topic is about misogyny and sexual abuse/assault/rape.

I've been a Vivziepop fan as long as I can remember--I loved her webcomic Zoophobia along with her other works that I've always been familiar with. She was my favorite artist and she has always been an inspiration for me.

However, when it came to being one of her many beloved fans, you can't IMAGINE on what I had to witness in terms of the sheer amount of hatred that has been spat at Vivienne. Especially when it came down to her releasing Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel--and the amount of things "critics"/antis say about her is just downright insane and unreal.

During these past few weeks, after someone had leaked s2 of HH, all of the antis and critics watched it and began to ridicule Vivzie, saying that they lost hope and it has lost redeeming qualities of the show; including being so straight up hating her to the point that it feels like I was reading a blog of a person who was sexist to women publically. It honestly blows my mind completely that this is how people treat creators and their shows SO disrespectfully that it is just straight up hate. Not to mention the takes these antis have about Vivzie that is SUPER stupid.

Mind you, Vivziepop is a bisexual Latin-American woman--while I, myself, am a nonbinary (AFAB) mixed PoC fan. And the way antis are like "Hellaverse is racist/sexist/lgbtq-phobic!!" makes me SO made cuz they are erasing the fact that it was MADE by a woman who is a part of the queer community who is WoC. So saying that Hellaverse is an oppressive/prejudice show is WAAAAAY out of proportion.

Also, I still remember how after "Masquerade" was shown along with Stolas being revealed he is a victim of spousal/domestic abuse, a lot of people (and by people I mean antis/critics) were all hating on Angel Dust and Stolas and saying that Vivzie fetishicizes rape/abuse. But for Angel Dust, it was because he's "not an actual victim of SA" because he's a sex worker and because he's hypersexual along with other things; while people defend Stella (the abuser) and say Stolas deserves his abuse because he cheated on Stella. And I cannot tell you how much I had to force myself as to NOT throw up by this statement.

I am a victim of SA because of an ex-girlfriend and also my cousin's boyfriend forced himself on me; my dad divorced my ""mom"" because she would constantly beat him and verbally scream at him--a related mention, too, that my younger siblings are the results of my "egg donor" forcing herself on my dad (I love my siblings VERY much--and I only think of them as JUST my siblings and not by-products of rape). My best friend, Aaron, was assaulted by an older boy in a psychiatrict hospital. And I know other friends of mine who are hypersexual due to various reasons--with one of them being from sexual trauma.

It sickens me a lot that ppl can SAY stuff like that--when, a while back, Vivziepop LITERALLY stated she was a victim of abuse in a tweet of hers. And after the fourth episode of HH, Sam Haft (the guy who created our favorite music) also revealed, too, he is a victim. Many people, victims of assualt/rape, cope with their trauma in many ways--but it boggles me how others of SA will hate on other SA victims because of the way they cope differently than others. We all have different stories and different ways to comfort ourselves.

On a related topic, too, but it also just frustrates me that when Vivzie takes on the topic of abuse, its apparently "romanticizing" and "fetishicizing" when its LITERALLY not and she took this topic seriously. Also, as a reminder, but Family Guy did the same topic on this, too, but it was half-assed and victim-blamed. In the episode "Screams of Silence: The Story of Brenda Q.", it was about Quagmire finding out his sister was being abused by her boyfriend--however, when the main cast came to confront about how Jeff (the abusive boyfriend) was beating her, they said that it was HER fault she was getting abused. But did this episode receive backlash? Only little. But this honestly JUST says a lot about how treat creators--female and male. If Vivziepop was a dude, it would've been different.

Not to mention, too, that when I was seeing a bunch of hate to Helluva Boss, they were all blaming Vivziepop. Just Vivziepop, Vivziepop, Vivziepop EVERYWHERE. But what about Brandon Rogers, a gay PoC man who LITERALLY wrote Helluva Boss AND created Stolas, does HE receive hate?? Nope, just Vivzie. Its just misogyny--when a man does edgy jokes (and saying language that contains LOTS of cursing/swearing) its cool and funny, but when a woman does it she's being uncool and unfunny.

Whoof. Sorry about giving you a wall of text, I REALLY needed to let this out due to all of the hate I was seeing about Vivziepop after the season 2 leak. And feel free to add your two cents into this.

I’ve been getting a lot of rants in my askbox, don’t worry. And I agree with you 100%, and it’s fucking ridiculous on how society acts like this

[strawberryraviegutz]

There’s…a YouTube video out there defending Ken-draws in the the kendraws drama AGAIN which has already been debunked multiple times already I’m pretty sure, and loads of ppl in the comments are defending Ken too which…

Kendraws has like… multiple grooming allegations against them from multiple ppl and they also met Viv when she was a minor.(I think. tho feel free to correct me on that if I am wrong. I remember seeing something about Ken meeting Viv when she was around 17. Can’t remember the exact age but I do remember it was somewhere under 18.)

Hellaverse antis rlly will do anything to make themselves seem morally righteous even if it means defending a groomer to justify their weird parasocial hatred towards Viv, her shows, and the fandom which is ironic too cuz they also love to complain and whine about how Viv made a pedo oc that one time in Zoophobia and said pedo oc was a VILLAIN CHARACTER mind you.

I’d say that this is low even for Hellaverse antis but considering the other type of stuff they’ve done it should be expected of them at this point. Lmao the Hellaverse hatedom is cooked.

[palisman273]

Viv should honestly return to making webcomics like that Zoophobia reboot I suggested or just a different webcomic entirely. At least she can do those projects on her own without roping in hundreds of animators into slave labor. Her overwhelming designs work way better in comics than in animation anyway.

I think that in the coming future, Viv is definitely going to lose her footing in the animation industry, especially with more indie animated projects on the horizon and the fact that more and more people are moving on or just straight up leaving and the remaining parts of her fans are very cult like.

I think Viv is going to pull out all the stops she (theoretically) can to remain in the spotlight even if it's just for a few seconds. I don't think she's going to go out of her way and openly brag or demand for her "competitors" to be torn down or sabotaged just so she can remain in the spotlight, but with Viv, it's honestly a 50/50.

God knows she's not going to up and drop her animation studio without something to come in as a backup and we all know that her close circle of "friends" can't afford for her to drop her studio either.

She's always owed her success to being a big fish in a small pond...the lack of other big indie cartoons on YouTube, the fact that Amazon Prime has about three other shows. The Amazing Digital Circus and Lackadaisy were her first competitors and so far she's handled it horribly. Hell, Spindlehorse employees openly mock Farfetched and it isn't even out yet.