#anti origin labels

[marbles-for-breakfast]

Thoughts/Arguments about Endogenic systems:

(for context, I’m probably best described as “quoigenic”, but I don’t really identify with any origin label because I think they ultimately cause more confusion than clarity)

Firstly, for those who don’t know, the term endogenic is about the narrative of your own existence. It was created by a diagnosed DID system which believes they were born plural and would have been plural regardless of the trauma they experienced. Whether you personally believe that to be true is your business, but I fail to understand how people think that idea is harmful, ableist or anything else. Not everybody wants to conceive of the origin of their existence in the same way. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Trying to force people to adopt a certain narrative about their own life doesn’t help anyone or prevent any sort of harm.

As far as willogenic systems go (because they’re under the endo umbrella, I’m pretty sure), I really don’t know enough about them to have a super definitive opinion. People seem to have mostly positive experiences with it, and it sure doesn’t affect me whether somebody I don’t know tries to make headmates through things like meditation. It’s obviously something quite different than DID, but I imagine it could work similarly in some ways, so I don’t really mind them using terms like ‘system’. I do understand the aversion to willogenics to some extent, though. I feel that sometimes too. And ultimately I think that’s because they get to make a choice that I wasn’t given. And they get to skip syscovery, and probably a lot of dissociation on top of that. It’s tempting to resent them, to assume they see it as a fun or frivolous thing, and are totally ignorant of our problems and suffering. But I don’t think that’s true.

They know what DID is. They know it’s usually caused by trauma, and often serious abuse. They know it is a serious disorder that can make life very difficult. They also know that they created headmates through meditation or something, and now they’re a system. Why should that upset us? Why do we think we own plurality just because we suffered more on the road here? Maybe you think they’re wrong about having headmates, but…. how would we know? Just because an experience isn’t accepted or understood by the field of psychology doesn’t mean it’s not happening. And I make a point to believe people about their own minds.

Just because they don’t have DID and have very different experiences to people with DID doesn’t mean they can’t acknowledge that those experiences do have some similarities. And it certainly doesn’t mean they can’t find community with OSDDID systems who want to normalize plurality itself in order to make life easier for all systems. It may seem “weird” to us, we might not understand it, but that doesn’t mean we should deny just because we originally learned that DID (and therefore plurality) can only form through extreme trauma. Aren’t a lot of the things we originally learned about DID wrong? Aren’t a lot of the things we assumed about it wrong? We, as a species, have never understood the human brain. Even doctors and educators make assumptions about what’s impossible without looking into it enough to prove that.

But when tons of people tell you they created headmates on purpose, and you don’t really have a reason to think they’re wrong other than “I don’t think that’s possible”, maybe it’s time to switch to, “idk how that works, but you do you”. It’s time to acknowledge that someone living their life in a way that you wouldn’t choose for yourself is actually completely fine. I mean, as long as they’re not hurting anybody obviously, but willogenics are not hurting anybody by being openly willogenic.

So yeah, endogenic systems are not inherently a threat to you or anyone else.

This post sums up my thoughts pretty well, so I might just refer people to it in the future. If you’re here from that, thanks for hearing what I have to say. I hope it helps you refine your worldview in some way. You don’t have to agree with everything I said here. I just hope you at least interact with people with more good faith (believing what they say until they give you a reason not to).

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[sirenium]

'Safequeer' mfers when people are queer in a way they don't like:

[GIF ID: a toy decor skeleton getting absolutely eviscerated in a blue shredder with silver blades. Said skeleton looks like it's thrashing and flailing about as it slowly gets consumed. End ID]

[princessefemmelesbian]

Well would you look at this. 😵‍💫 Because obviously if you dare say anything as wild and controversial as “lesbians don’t like men, please stop using a label that hurts us and tries to force men into our identity” you’re a raging terf radfem transmisogynist. Because obviously ONLY trans women use the bi lesbian label and it’s not like there are transfem lesbians who are rightfully against the label as well or anything and it’s not like terfs use the label to refer to cis lesbians who date trans women and why can’t you just let people identify as how they want of course lesbians like men stop the infighting already if you disagree with me that lesbians can like men then surely that’s because you’re an exclusionist gatekeeper who hates trans women.

[annie-against-beaches]

"I love weirdos, I'm a weirdo"

Quick, no thinking time, how normal are you about profiction? About anti-sanism and anti-ableism? About recognising the psychiatry and justice system are flawed and target minorities? About people with BIID? About alterhumans? About contradictory queers? About religions? About trans people?

[mamuzzy]

I don't have problem of people disagreeing with me about RepComm.

I have problem with people who are admitting proudly they never read the books but still spreading misinformations about it and falsely accusing fans of serious real life crimes they never comitted. I have no respect for these fuckers and I have no interest composing respectful answers.

They only deserve:

[wanderingmind867]

What a fitting end for Magneto! Drowned in the watery depths, as his only henchman turns on him (after issue upon issue of abuse). Good for Toad! (Avengers #53):

[forestedlot]

abt us 🌲

bodily 20 years old and taken

intersex, nonbinary, arospec, any pronouns

mixed-origin semi-dissociated system and alterhuman

anti-establishment vagabond and EA survivor with CPTSD

we’re into botany/ecology, bushcraft, backpacking, stealth camping, urbex/rurex, graffiti, railfanning/trainhopping, wildlife harvesting, archery, foraging/vulture culture, surveying and cartography, paranormal investigation, illustration and writing (specifically poetry), photography and film, sewing, religion/spirituality, and smoking weed 🍃💨

if you romanticize/sexualize abusive relationships or don’t support all systems regardless of origin please leave us alone

we have a bad habit of impulsively deleting social media accounts during burnout, if you knew us on a previous account don’t be afraid to interact with us again

our social battery is nearly nonexistent so we prefer not to privately message, thanks for being understanding 💚

[aromanticannibal]

"I'm an antishipper!" -> ideology is don't like don't read, has never harassed anyone online before

"I'm a proshipper!" -> has harassed people and will harass people again for any reason

[starmoon-constellation]

the Cybernetciz Collective

thought it was about time for a new pinned post :)

Hello! We are the Cyberneticz Collective, a trauma-coded endogenic system of 760+. We collectively use the name Cyberneticz (which can be shortened to Cyber) and it/he pronouns. We are collectively genderfluid and a bi-gay. We are physically disabled, as well.

Some "hot takes" we have: - we are actively pro-endo/non-disordered systemhood - we are pro-ship (we actively selfship, though we don't talk about it much) - we are anti-harassment/anti-censorship - pro LGBTA+ and pro contradictory labels - pro slur reclamation - we are alterbeing (alterhuman) - we are furry/s - we are anti-AI - we are pro-kink - we believe in self dxing - we believe in mixed origin systems

We try not to engage in discourse, especially shipcourse and syscourse, but may sometimes engage/be dragged into it. We try to just post about ourselves and our love of systemhood, but sometimes this get derailed.

We don't always sign off on posts, but if we do it'll show as: ( name - pro/noun/s )

We will not use tags to sign off. We may blog about adult things, so we request that minors follow with caution, as we can talk about things that are not suitable for minors.

Thank you for reading :)

[marbles-for-breakfast]

I don’t identify as endo, btw. I just get lumped in with them bc I don’t have any memories of child abuse and I don’t like origin labels. I may very well be “traumagenic”. That’s not a useful distinction to me. I don’t care why I’m like this and I don’t think other people should care either. Even if I discover that I have significant childhood trauma, I won’t feel the need to say that was definitely the sole cause of me being plural. It’ll be intertwined with it, yes. Of course it will. But why should I be forced to assume it was the reason?

But because of all these things, your anti-endo posts feel targeted at me too. I don’t identify as endo, but I know that’s how you would identify me. Just because I’m not confidently traumagenic with no evidence of trauma. And just because I don’t hate endos for being confidently who they are.

When someone tells you they exist, believe them. Believe them until or unless you have actual evidence that they are lying. And “they’re lying bc that’s impossible” is not a valid reason, because guess what? You can’t just assume that something is impossible because it doesn’t fit into the story of OSDDID that people usually tell. You don’t know what’s possible and what’s not. No one does. Especially when it comes to brain stuff. The only way to know what’s possible is to LISTEN to people. If you think endos are all lying weirdos who want to be special and think that your trauma is a fun game, you’re not listening.

And I understand why you’re not listening. The narrative that trauma made you like this is important to you. And you know what? That’s okay. No one’s trying to take that away from you. We just want the freedom to have our OWN narratives about why WE are the way we are. Some of us (like me) want the freedom to be unsure. Or to simply not care. I don’t feel like I need a reason. And I don’t feel like I could ever really know for sure. But I understand that the reason is important to a lot of you. And I do respect that.

You can have your own spaces if you want. Stop talking shit about us (especially in shared spaces like the plural tag), and we’ll leave you the heck alone. I certainly think we should be allowed to have some separation between different communities based on origin. I mean, my experience is very different from willogenic systems. And I’ll admit that I sometimes have negative instincts towards them. It’s natural to feel some level of resentment towards people who got to have a choice where you didn’t. It can be confusing when they make the choice to be something that you worked hard to come to terms with, seemingly while skipping all the hardest parts! It’s not fair. But that’s also not their fault. It’s not their fault you were abused. It’s not their fault you never got a choice. It’s not their fault that being a system is so hard, and coming to terms with everything is such an overwhelming process. It’s not their fault it’s easier for them.

I don’t want to be friends with a bunch of willogenics. Maybe I’m not ready for that, maybe I never will be. I still think they have a right to make a choice that I was never given. I’m happy for them, that they got to do that. I’m happy that it was easier than what we’re going through.

I know that it’s possible to become a system through paths other than severe trauma because I have not seen any evidence that that is not the case. And the hundreds of people claiming to have arrived at this point through a wide variety of methods is all the proof I need that this is possible. Because I have no reason to doubt their own interpretation of their own experiences. How arrogant or stubborn would I have to be to do that?

Just let systems be ourselves, please. I want community. I want understanding. I want empathy. So let’s stop worrying about so much about why we’re like this, and focus on what we are, and who we want to be.

[polycoins]

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[sl1nkie]

hshshaha someone w/ proshippers in their dni followed me this is the funniest day of my life 🤭

[c0rpsedemon]

going from "i like ayaka but i'm going to pull for her brother instead bc i already have a cryo sword user + i want to replace my barbara w a 5*" to ayaka's biggest wanter and a ride or die barbara stan who doesn't even use ayato. every day i regret my decisions made during 3.5

[eemoo1o-kuroo]

I feel like the biggest difference with Adam and fans of the show is that there’s the profans/apologists, so those that apologise for him by attempting to rationalise his behaviour, and then there’s the antis/analysts who want him as a character to apologise for what he’s done whilst acknowledging that all of his wrongdoings are, as the word implies, wrong.

[robocops-a-christ-allegory]

I have a pitch for a black label Vigilante series.