#anti lucifer morningstar

[peachi-blossom]

Non-Hazbin Hotel characters that are better than Lucifer Morningstar

I hate Lucifer Morningstar. Why do fans find him attractive? He looks like a skinny twig like every male character Vivienne Medrano draws. Except for Adam! I think.

I added Wreck-Gar, Cheese Sandwich, Banana Man, Probabilitor the Annoying, and Blumfump because they're voiced by Weird Al.

Speaking of Weird Al, Vivienne Medrano wanted him to voice Lucifer since she's a big fan of him, but he didn't because he's a Christian (which I didn't know that until this July).

EDIT: 7/9/24

I should've put Mortimer in the better than Alastor post because he uses Voodoo for evil purposes, but I forgot. Oh well.

I replaced Mortimer Handee with Bonechill from Super Paper Mario because he is inspired by Lucifer.

[littledemon55]

👁️👁️ Do not go and harass this person, thank you. (Person I disagree with below the cut.)

Lucifer isn't autistic wtf??? 😭 An obsession with rubber ducks doesn't make someone autistic!

(Also there are already cool alternatives to the stupid puzzle pieces)

None of Vivzieshits's characters are meant to be autistic, if one was canonically autistic, she would've bragged about it.

I, as an autistic individual, do not think this headcanon is valid. 😅 That stick figure is not autistic. (And doesn't really act depressed either, but hey, what did we expect from Vivziepop? Accurate depiction that isn't either to seem inclusive or for a stupid joke that wasn't even funny-)

And before you add me with: "There is no one way to be depressed", save your breath. This is a one dimensional twink we're talking about. It doesn't get any deeper than a joke. Other than that, it was never mentioned again.

[princess-charlie-of-hell]

Things I like about Lucifer morningstar

1.His wife

2.His daughter

3.His pilot version

Disclaimer! I like the Lucifer we have now too but in my opinion he is overrated especially in comparison to Charlie who people seem have to forget is the actually main character of the show

I am also would like him more if the fandom would recognize his flaws and stop acting like he was a good father. And I know that he didn't had it easy himself with Lilith leaving and his depressions but he still neglected Charlie. She literally said that in the 7 years he only called her when he wanted something from her

So let's stop acting like he was the perfect father and start recognizing that he is flawed father who is trying to become a better one.

[seas-storyarchive]

Stirring the Pot, but I'm Right.

Alastor was kicking Adam's ass because Charlie was too much of a pacifist, little whiny clown faced baby when it came down to it.

She only went full power after Pentious died.

And even then? She was useless. Lasted a fraction of the time that Alastor did.

Lucifer? He only came in when Charlie was in trouble. Not any time before that. He could have ended it all before it started. But nope, he just made fun of Adam the whole time.

Some may argue that Alastor was meant to buy them time -

And for what? You think they were just going to leave after "time's up"? I wouldn't if I was them, come into my house, cause a scene like that? And expect me to leave when the clock is up? Nah, bitch. Fair is fair, an eye for an eye, don't stop until it's all square.

Look, I get that Alastor dipped..

But what do you expect? He's King Roach for a reason. You think roaches stay and fight? Nah, they run and hide and come back when it's safe. And, plus, Alastor put in the work. Proved his worth.

[enixamyram]

I am truly struggling with the Lucifer series. I am literally getting by with watching a single episode a night but it's become such a chore. I just have so many problems with it so this is going to be a complete ranty negative post. Open at your own risk.

Lucifer is becoming less off a fun asshole and more of just an asshole asshole. It feels like he has no deep developement, like he's the same selfish dick he was in the first season except he shouldn't be because he's had no ends of lessons that should have helped him grow. But nope, he cares for Chloe but will still ignore and insult Maze or belittle Dan and put his own problems above Amenadiel and Linda and pretty much everyone else and so on and so on.

The romance between him and Chloe is so damn boring. I hate the will-they-won't-they at the best of times and this show seems to be doubling down on the trope twice as hard in all the worst ways. Every time Chloe and Lucifer have a new problem, I swear I want to ram my head against a wall. It's literally become a case of even when they're together and happy, I'm so sick of them.

Maze has the same twist every damn season. Like, seriously. How many more times is she going to betray Lucifer and side with that seasons antagonist? Her reasons may vary slightly but at the end, it's like clockwork and while I still love her and have great sympathy for her character, it's also still stupidly repetative.

The Dan hate is getting old too. I've never liked the trope of one character constantly getting kicked down on and despite Lucifer's nickname, Dan really isn't that bad a person. And if he is, it's only because of sympathetic circumstances pushing him to be. It was one thing when it was just Lucifer making fun of him but ever since Season 3 with Pierce, it feels like Chloe and everyone else is always smirking behind his back as well and it's just makes me dislike all of them.

On another Dan note, his treatment to finding out the truth is gross compared to the others. When Linda and Chloe found out, Lucifer was careful with them. He gave them space but was otherwise gentle because he understood how intense this information could be for a human. For Dan, he decides to try and make it worse by pranking him with a snake? Even Chloe, to me, is digustingly cold about it. She knows how scary it can be but she doesn't even try to reach out to him during this time. She's more concerned with Lucifer messing up her case than calling him out for pushing Dan during a sensative time? I dunno, it seems a bit sexist to me that the women got coddled and allowed to be emotional about it but the guy gets made fun of.

The only thing I'm looking forward to at this point is Eve returning and marrying Maze (I saw spoilers). But even that isn't going to be done all that well because with only one season to do it, we're not going to get any real development and build between them.

[allastoredeer]

I found a fanart of Alastor being kidnapped by Striker, like Stolas in the episode "Western Energy" and I thought it would be a very good idea to develop.

Alastor is seriously injured by Adam's angelic powers and based on what he himself said in his musical breakdown at the end of the season, his powers seem to be restricted by his contract. The power scaling for Overlords is seemingly connected to how many souls they own and he hasn't taken an souls since his return, so it would be fair to assume that he is getting weaker. He's not the same Radio Demon from seven years ago. He would be an easy target, especially for a hitman who holds a deep hatred of powerful hellish entities such as Overlords and nobility of Hell.

Now, who would want to hire Striker for that? The Vees maybe? They are the only ones who could easily guess about Alastor's true state bc they saw the fight like it was a sports game. And it wouldn't be the first time they sent someone else to do the dirty work either, Sir Pentious is a good example of that.

If we combine this with Radioapple it would be even funnier bc Lucifer would fly out of the hotel in his seraph form to save his queerplatonic partner saying something like "nobody fucks that deer but me"

This is the fanart by the way: https://twitter.com/yume100_asu_HH/status/1763209962078257507?t=xl4vXZGCAcGOgWLR92nr5g&s=19

Love it. Yes. No notes.

So long as Stryker and Alastor get to bond over their exasperation for how sex-centric everybody else is.

Thank you for sharing the fan-art! It's so good!

[lunxribuh]

i REALLY hate how viv made Lucifer a skinny twink

you know you could’ve made him. a LITTLE threatening considering he’s idk. LUCIFER

it’s like the only thing viv knows how to design are skinny twinks and tumblr sexyman bait it drives me NUTS

I’d make a redesign but I don’t have motivation and I need to read up on Bible Lore™️

[paigeyssims2004]

BEHOLD, a meme that was made in a few minutes on GIMP- And no one cares...great...

Sooooooo Hazbin Hotel....what do I think?

It's peak fiction, sure the pacing is a bit off and the finale was a bit rushed imo (blame Amazon and A24 for that). But despite some flaws, I do think that this show is good; as in like:

"YO, WHO TF WAS COOKING AND GIVE THEM AN AWARD"

And since Season 2 is in the works rn, that'll allow them to flesh out some moments from Season 1 as like 'BackFlashes', see more of Sir Repentious and Emily, Alastor's and Lilith's interactions, and possibly Sinner!Adam. I SOOOOOO EXCITED AAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

The Biggest Problem With Hazbin Hotel's Rehabilitation Mentality Is Trying To Make All Sinners Victims Instead Of Owning Up To Their Own Sins

I think the biggest problem with Hazbin Hotel rehabilitation mentality is that they focus in on how sinners are victim of circumstances rather than owning up to their problems and changing themselves. I think the biggest thing with this series is the fact that they think the problem is society instead of someone's own issues how they got into hell.

One of the first indications of this bs is making it out that Lucifer and Lilith were just misunderstood dreamers were against a strict ignoring that they caused sin in the world and caused help humanity's downfall. But the narrative ignores that fact and tries to treat them as victims of heaven, so we can have Lucifer as a misunderstood sad boy instead of how in the Bible he was jealous of humanity and wanted to bring it down with him due to God's love for them. A misunderstood sad boy wouldn't do this type of shit and Vivziepop selling it a load of it.

I know this is going to be controversial but I think Angel Dust is hindered as a character but not focusing on what got him into hell. And it wasn't just the drugs and sex, because he did kill people and some of them probably didn't end up in hell. So just imagine him being sent to heaven and his former victims recognized him for his crimes and until now showed repentance. However, the narrative even then doesn't focus on that fact but the idea he's a total victim and doesn't show part of his way to redemption is get his life back together and admit he's done shit where he wasn't the victim but the victimizer. One could say he was put through that life, but then again show his sister is in heaven and that she chose a life of virtue and made it. So, he has no excuse of his dad or brother getting himself into hell except himself and he needs to work on it. Even if he's a victim to Valentino, he still is a victimizer in someone else's eyes who recognizes him decades ago.

And I am also going to say this the Extermination is used as a way to have all of hell be turned into pitied victims that you forget a lot of them are in hell for a reason. And even more they are doing antics that got them probably into hell like murder, sex, and other types of depravity. While not all sinners are on the same level, the exterminations as a whole just i used to make you forget that they are there for a reason and erase that there is a reason they weren't given a chance into heaven. Seriously, Emily herself called them innocent souls when in any other scene they are far from innocent and the reason why Adam is depicted as a one note villain is because they can't fathom the idea that maybe the Extermination could be used to cull the worst sinners or something.

I think the biggest problem with Hazbin Hotel's every sinner is really a victim it comes ironically counter to finding redemption. A show which Vivziepop says she inspires from but she completely misses the point is Bojack. She says she's watched it but the biggest point of the show just because you are the victim doesn't give you an excuse to act like a total jackass to others and not own up to your mistakes. The problem is Habzin Hotel never lets anyone own up because they have to play victims, especially any character favored by Vivziepop. Redemption doesn't come from seeing yourself as a victim, but recognizing your own mistakes and how to reform from them. And frankly I didn't see Angel Dust want to reform from his mistakes, but just want a home away from Val. The problem is that Hazbin Hotel is about enforcing victimhood instead of owning up that you did bad things and need to change. An excuse for your behavior is still not fully an excuse and you need to own up to your actions.

[peachi-blossom]

My list of Tumblr sexymen and sexyperson character(s) that I am not attracted to

So Tumblr has these sexymen, sexywomen, and sexyperson huh? Well I'ma gonna make a list of Tumblr sexymen and sexyperson (just one) that I am not attracted to. I'm just not into the Tumblr sexyman culture okay?

Here is a list of Tumblr sexyman characters that I am not attracted to regardless of what class they're in, their appearances, personalities, motivations, and backstories they have.

Let's start with Hazbin Hotel because they're all a bunch of Once-lers except for Adam and Zestial.

I am not going to add Sir Pentious onto my list because I only see him as DollCreep...

Now for the ones that I am NOT attracted to that a few or some people are attracted to...

Now for the ones that I can understand why some people are attracted to them, but I just find them cool.

Tomorrow, I'm going to create a list of Tumblr sexymen and sexyperson character(s) that I consider them memelords.

[viviarts-c]

spite

[princess-charlie-of-hell]

Tw: mention of r*pe and abusive relationships

I never will understand why People write a fic with Evil and Abusive!Lilith only for it to be Adamsapple or Radioapple. Especially if it is tagged as Lucilith!

So many times when I search for Lucilith fics Lucilith is only used to paint Alastor or Adam in better light because they can not see Lucifer being mistreated by her.

Or I even saw a few fics where Lilith r*ped him and he got pregnant with Charlie as a result.

I mean I like Adam and Alastor as characters but they are terrible People. Alastor himself is abusive to Husk and a manipulator, Adam literally tried to kill Lucifer and is probably the Inventor of toxic masculinity.

So I can image neither of them to care about Lucifer if Lilith were abusive towards him. Maybe I can see Alastor caring a tiny bit because it could remind him of his own situation but even then I don't think he would care enough to help Lucifer.

And I generally am against Evil Lilith but honestly it could be Interesting if it is used right like give me Lilith who is a classy Disney villain with charm and great songs. Lilith who is the most cruel person in the whole show but cares deeply for her family. Lilith who tortures people while talking about the food her hubby made for her.

[theloganator101]

I'll say this. I can SOMEWHAT forgive Lucifer and Lilith's decision for sheltering Charlie and not training her how to use the full potential of her powers if the purpose was to keep Heaven from seeing her a potential threat. Because as parents of course they're gonna want to do everything they can to keep their daughter safe and to grow up healthy and happy.

BUT HOWEVER! That also doesn't excuse how Charlie turned out as a result! From being a complete doormat and being oblivious to how people are feeling around her.

[tyrinecarver]

I can't stop watching it. Also I love them. Help.

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[hazbinhotelhate]

Hazbin Hotel is satanic propaganda, so bad that it is an insult towards satanists.

[usedtobethelegendcreator]

Every time someone says “Alastor is overrated”, a year is taken off my lifespan.

It’s a common occurrence, really. The popular male character with a lot of fans that may or may not think he’s hot always, always gets shat on. I’ve seen it. You’ve probably seen it too. And it’s birthed out of bitterness.

So, when people say “X is overrated”, what proof do they have?

“He’s a bad character!” Oh? In what way? Is he badly written? Do you not like his character arc (if any so far)? Do you not like his design? Do you think you could design him in a way truer to the creator’s vision of him? Do you think he’s just a bad person?

“He’s replaceable!” Is he, really? Could you completely remove him from the story and see nothing change? Could you, without changing the story, erase him from that story? Does his presence serve no purpose in that universe? And, even if he doesn’t, would his world be a brighter place without him in it?

“He has too much screen time!” Does he? Or do you just think he does? Is he one of the main characters? This other character has even more screen time than he does, are you going to complain about them too? Are only the protagonist and antagonist allowed to be on screen for any significant amount of time? Are you complaining about how many lines he has?

“Thirsty fangirls are sexualizing him too much!” Welcome to the internet. That’s what thirsty fangirls do. Have you never heard of Rule 34?

“He’s a bad person!” So what? Lots of characters are bad people. Duh. Not everyone can have sunshine in their hearts and butterflies in their eyes.

“He’s ugly!” You think he’s ugly. Hell, maybe his fans think he’s ugly, too. But someone out there is always going to be attracted to the unconventional.

“He’s a villain!” Wow, you identified the antagonist! You deserve a gold star! You must feel so proud! Now, can you tell me why people have been sexualizing the Devil for centuries?

“He doesn’t deserve the hype!” The hype had to come from somewhere. Did it come from the show? Did it come from the fans? Either way, someone thinks he’s really neat, and told all their friends about it.

“He doesn’t deserve to exist!” His creator sure thinks he does.

“He sucks!” Cock? Pussy? Both? Neither? A secret third thing? Either way, it’s none of your business, now is it?

“People ship him with everyone!” It’s okay, you can just say you’re jealous of how much he’s getting laid in other people’s heads.

“He’s cliche!” And? Every character is, in some way, a cliche. You’re a cliche. I’m a cliche. Everyone’s a cliche. But is he doing something interesting with the cliche?

And yes, a lot of these are things I’ve seen specifically about Alastor. But if you feel this way about any character, well, answer those questions. See if you make sense to yourself. Because there’s a difference between just not liking a character, and hating just to hate.