#anti bullshit fandom bullshit

[holding-out-for-hea]

Jared haters and Jensen haters really don’t get it.

Every time you post negatively about something you think one of them did wrong, the other side will come back with replies showing how your fave did the SAME THING.

That’s because these are men who aren’t perfect, but you’ve taken mundane, minor infractions and tried to blow them up into full blown scandals, and since they’re like brothers they’ve BOTH done the things you’re so ardently trying to ruin the other one for! So every time you try to take down either Jensen or Jared, the other side will equally come for the other trying to take them down as well.

So instead of winning some bull shit, asinine, toddler like war, you’ve actually just smeared both of them! For no real reason because what you were bitching about was crap in the first place! And you most likely manipulated it to make it worse, which hurt your fave more!

Great work…. You contemptible, utter morons

These guys deserve so much better than ghouls for fans

[artemisdesari-blog]

Sometimes being the mum who exists in fandom spaces leads to awkward, even concerning, conversations. Such as the one which happened this morning. The mum of my daughter's best mate asked me if one of their mutual friends had sent her a specific message. This message was a link to a fic on ao3, if this had been a G rated fic this conversation would not have happened. It was not G rated. It was an E rated fic. Our kids aren't even 12 yet. As it happens, both of our kids have their internet access heavily locked down and monitored. They have phones because of how their school manages homework. The mutual friend, however, is not so monitored. Or she wasn't, given what her mum found she's about to be. This kid had found a fandom, joined it, and found it chock full of antis. The fic had been sent to her by one of them as an example of the sort of terrible people out there who need to be harassed and attacked because they wrote a smutty story.

Someone thought it was appropriate to send written porn to an 11 year old to encourage her to attack the author.

This resulted in a very awkward conversation where I had to explain to multiple horrified parents the anti culture that is becoming so prevalent. The fact that there are adults who use that purity message to groom kids. The way they escalate and how it bleeds into real life. One parent told me she'd wondered why her 14 year old was suddenly concerned about the two year age gap between her parents. The more I explained, the more absolutely ludicrous it sounded and the more baffled these poor mums looked. More than once I was told "but the characters aren't real, it's really weird but it isn't hurting anyone". Which is the point. The fictional situation isn't hurting anyone. The person who sent porn to an 11 year old is.

Was the person who sent it the author? Doubtful, that thing was tagged in the extreme. Was the person who sent it an adult? Almost certainly. The parent who's child received the original message has found more concerning stuff and gone to the police, but from the language the person doing the sending was in the US. We aren't. Did my daughter receive it? No, she isn't interested in that fandom and therefore wouldn't have bothered with it. Is this the fault of the author? No, they didn't send the link, they didn't ask to be harassed, they wrote a story and put it on ao3, the website created in response to rampant censorship and designed to allow for all kinds of fiction. Is this the fault of the parents? Partially, they should have been looking at their daughter's internet use and clocked what was happening sooner. Is this the fault of the child? No, she's 11, she didn't know better.

This has been a difficult day. Multiple parents have had their eyes opened to parts of fandom culture they had no idea existed. And the thing of it is, they aren't concerned about the why of anti rhetoric. They don't care about the adults writing about teens or rape or incest or torture or any of the rest, because they looked at the clearly tagged and rated fics and figured that it worked the same as a warning on any streaming service. They only cared because some utterly vile individual decided to expose their child to something this girl might not have looked at for years.

Proshippers did not cause what I have spent afternoon helping several sets of parents navigate. Antis did. Normally I'm fairly quiet about the whole debate because I just want to get on with my life and share my experiences. Today I got dragged into that mess in my every day life and the adults in the equation didn't react the way Antis like to think they would. They didn't condemn the author. They condemned the anti who shared the work with a preteen.

[littlenastieswewhispered]

“buffy ended the show single :)” ok but only because her current love interest just DIED!! (he near quite literally died in her arms! in sacrifice for her!) her last words of the entire series were telling him she loves him and then saying his name in admiration. she isn’t single; she’s a widow.

[clearancecreedwatersurvival]

Is anyone gonna explain to people that ‘proship’ does not actually mean ‘problematic shipping’ or ‘problematic ship’ or are we just going to let this misinformation spread some more?

It means pro-shipping. The prefix pro, meaning ‘supporting.’ In favor of shipping.

It only became a defined position after anti-shippers who initially identified themselves as anti-a specific ship started harassing creators they didn’t like, doxxing them, and trying to get them fired from their irl jobs for shipping reasons around 2014-2016.

So people who had been in fandom for long enough to know where that kind of rhetoric leads (ffnet purges, LJ strikethru, as well as the direct harms caused by doxxing) observed this increasing trend of harassment and rallied to say ‘oh you lot are anti-shipping, as in opposed to certain ships? Well in that case, we are pro-shipping, because we follow the adage of ship and let ship.’

Before that point, it was just basic fandom etiquette to not bother people who ship stuff you don’t like, and to understand that if something squicks you out, it’s not the fault of the people who made it.

If someone says they are pro-ship, it means fuck all about what they actually enjoy in fiction.

It just means they’re opposed to harassing creators for making content that doesn’t cause tangible harm to real people. A better way to understand the ideological position is being anti-harassment and anti-censorship.

I have a lot of ships I find disgusting blacklisted so I don’t have to see them. But I am not interested in forcing people to comply with what I think is gross. That’s what it means.

Curate your online experience, and understand that your disgust response is not a defensible moral indicator or a justification to harass, deplatform, and dox fan writers.

[nyracel]

daenerys: has finally decided that negotiating with the masters is a lost cause and plans to bring fire and blood to them (because slavery has to end somehow) in her journey to dismantle a thousands upon thousands year old violent regime; which would result in freeing millions of innocent men, women, and children from the terrifying brutality they’ve been subjected to their entire lives.

antis: she’s choosing violence, this is foreshadowing for her burning king’s landing! or the water gardens! MAD KWEEN! she’s a targaryen! the targaryens are evil incest lizard people with superiority complexes! and daenerys is one 😱😱 (i’m so intelligent!) bad colonizer! dragons are nukes! what about the innocent slavers? did you know every time a targaryen is born THE GODS FLIP A COIN—

[nicolemabes]

Feyre said Tamlin abused her. Her friends say Tamlin abused her. Her sisters say Tamlin abused her. The author said Tamlin abused her.

Why do we allow people in this fandom to try and convince us otherwise?

[sunflowerdigs]

People can scream about the mean Buddies being bullies all they want, but it's not going to change the fact that Buddie fans never convinced anyone that a plot device and glorified extra was 911's new star just because he was a white man. Fans did that themselves.

For some reason, the way Tommy fans are now trying to sideline Athena in her own plot when Angela Bassett is an Emmy and Oscar winning actress with a career spanning decades and LFJ just has a famous dad is so galling to me. The reason I watch 911 is because the kinds of characters who only get to stand on the sidelines in other action shows get to be big damn heroes on this one. "Autism saves the day" is so on-brand for this show and that's why I love it. This isn't Supernatural. White male characters don't become the default heroes and leaders in every situation just because they show up and are conventionally attractive. An older black woman and a black autistic 8-year-old are going to land that plane and it's going to be just as "realistic" as whatever 30-year-old Whiteman McSixpack has done in any other action movie or show ever made.

It's fair to say that Buddie fans also expect to see Buck and Eddie too often, but at least Buck and Eddie are show leads with 6 years of history behind them. At least Buck and Eddie getting together would actually be unique queer rep that is worth getting excited over (and that we honestly may never have a shot at again). At least Buck and Eddie getting together doesn't sideline characters who have been part of the show for over half a decade.

I get that Buck coming out was exciting, but Buck coming out is about Buck, not Tommy or Buck/ Tommy. Tommy should have always been treated like Taylor or Natalia. It should never have been assumed that just because he was a man (and white) he would naturally be privileged over not just other love interests but over Eddie (and, now, Athena). Getting mad because Buddie shippers put Buck's coming out into the context of story that's been building for six years only to turn around and obsess over a storyline with barely any screentime is...a bold choice.

[my-pjo-stuff]

[sagaduwyrm]

Instead of Ghost King Danny (Monarchies are icky)(Danny deserves better) may I present to you Speaker of Peace Danny

In this headcanon the Infinite Realms are treated as a loose collection of states and peoples that don't always like each other and have no unifying federal government. Speakers are individuals who have earned the respect of those powers by performing some kind of communal service.

Wulf is the Speaker of the Journey, because all travel in the ghost zone has a thirty percent chance of getting so lost you'll never find home again and Wulf, as one of the only proficient portal users around, frequently helps the lost find their way home, earning his title.

Danny earns his title by repeatedly bringing peace through either diplomacy, or beating idiots up until they're ready to listen to that diplomacy. He redefined ghostly/living relations, helped Dora take her throne over her brother who everyone hated, and calmed down four separate wars and helped the ghosts involved find a resolution that wasn't 'kill each other again'.

Basically, Speaker of Peace is the realms interpretation of the superhero duties he's taken on.

[gonnalosemydougdimmadomedamnmind]

I deserve financial compensation every time I have to read a post that posits that Jason is actually the good big brother that's there for his siblings and Dick is the big mean golden child that can do whatever he wants and turns his siblings away when they need help. I'd have like a gajillion dollars now.

This bothers me so much specifically because it's the exact opposite of canon, in Dick's case anyway. Ain't nobody going to Jason for help in the first place. I really can't get past the backwards logic of it all. No, the utter lack of logic. Like it's the Exact Opposite.... The Exact Opposite!!! How did you come to this conclusion???

Well, I mean, I know- you don't read the comics AND you take everything at face value. I get it, when I first entered the fandom- the way people talk about Dick and Jason and Tim and Damian? They'd have you believe that Jason and Tim were delivered to Earth by angels with a chorus singing in the heavens and a light following them everywhere their delicate, innocent feet went. Everything they do is either Justified or Morally Correct. Nothing is Ever Their Fault. They deserve your sympathy and awe, and nothing short of worship is an attack on their character. They'd have you believe that Dick is a Monster, that Everything is his fault, that he's an inherently bad and selfish person because He Tried but He Didn't Devote Himself Entirely to Jason and Tim and Thats Bad and He Deserves To Be Punished For It and that Damian is a Demon, that he's always going to make the choice that serves himself and hurts others, that even though he's a 10 year old boy with a complicated, abusive upbringing, Everything is His Fault Entirely and He Doesn't Deserve Understanding or Mercy.

That's what you see and hear when you enter this fandom. And unless you actually read the comics or do the research by looking through blogs with meta commentary on the comics (with panels provided) or interact with fan media that is based on the comics And Not The Fanon- this is the false opinion that remains.

It drives me crazy that people refuse to engage with the actual canon of something they claim to be a fan of. What are you a fan of if you have no idea what you're talking about? It drives me crazy, because theres so much of this fanon content, you have to literally dig and dig and dig and dig and dig and dig to find the truth. And the truth is so Unbelievably, Undeniably

Not That.

In fact, in most cases whatever you read- the opposite is what actually happened. Or what you read is Entirely Made Up to make one character, (Dick and Damian), look bad in order to prop up the other character, (Jason and Tim). Then people get angry when you point that out, for ruining 'the fun' or their false perception of their fave character. Well I'm angry for having to do it in the first place.

[littencloud9]

bsd fandom has always mischaracterised kunikida to hell and back but the fact that i am seeing SO MUCH hate for his character right after his 'death' is insane

[aleksanderscult]

[justaneedle]

Okay, can this fucked-up fandom stop saying that Percy took the sky for Annabeth and it means blah-blah-bla, because it didn't fucking happen!

It's also advisable to forget the fuck the wording "tricked into holding the sky" because this DIDN'T fucking HAPPEN either, but I'm asking too much!

THIS FANDOM READS BOOKS WITH THE ASS AND IT'S NOT FUCKING FUNNY!

[sctumsempra]

“stan james potter” i am actually exploding you with my mind

[nicolemabes]

Nesta “Stans”: The IC was wrong for forcing Nesta out of her apartment and into the house of wind for no reason!!! They couldn’t just leave her alone doing her own thing????

Nesta at the beginning of ACOSF:

Yeah she was DEFINITELY thriving.

[theshadowsingersraven]

Local e|riels see how irritating, invasive, and childish their fellow shippers can be at times and claim it's "coordinated" from antis. No babe, a larger subset than you realize of your community are teenagers. They were mainly on Tiktok and jumped ship to Reddit now.

"No one I know in the community talks like this." Have you seen your own community on Twitter?? 💀 because they call real people insane asylum escapees lmao