#anti pjo gods

[my-pjo-stuff]

[lady-menrva]

I had a thought. So we know that unclaimed demigods new to the camp just get dumped in the Hermes cabin till they get claimed, right? I wonder how that affected Luke...like, imagine seeing this poor kid, disoriented in this strange environment, desperately praying to their parent to be claimed, only for it to happen days, weeks or even months later. It just exposed him to the PJO gods' apathy towards their children some more.

It likely reminded him of his own neglectful treatment (by Hermes) and catalysed his downward spiral/made him more susceptible to Kronos' manipulation.

[justaneedle]

As someone who remember that Luke had more spies than Silena (no, there's no way she's the only one)...

I really want the spy POV who survived, no one ever found out the truth, and he never repents.

Cause the life of the demigods like was a cesspool, so it remained only with makeshift ‘facelift'.

And for this person, logically, only Luke and Annabeth will fall under the ‘heroes’, well, Ethan is a stretch for trying. Because at least Kronos didn't fucking burn everyone with his being, cause of them.

The spy nods what Kronos was not the best option. But the only one. And if not Percy and co this situation might never even happened (the fleece).

And he remember very well how in TLT demigods started pick a side based on godly parents and how he didn't want this at all, he ‘hated’ (not really) and was disappointed in every one demigod in CHB cause they're clearly not a family. Demigods in the TA from other hand...

After the Battle of the Manhattan all spies keep the distance from each other. Some repents, some not and you don't know who exactly.

[fanfic-lover-girl]

Thoughts on Diary of Luke Castellan

So I finally read Diary of Luke Castellan and it did not disappoint!

I did not end up feeling as sorry for Luke as I thought I would but after reading some canon material, my appreciation for his character feels more grounded.

I really liked Luke's narration. Just as much or maybe even more honestly than Percy's. I truly felt the stakes in the story and Luke wasn't an OP protag the way Percy is. His powers aren't large-scale like Percy's which makes things really interesting in my opinion. I wish I saw more of Luke's powers as a Hermes demigod.

While I am still not a Thalia fan, I really enjoyed her character in this story. Also, I have to admit that Thaluke was pretty sweet. I had some icky feelings similar to Percabeth but it's nowhere near as awful.

Gosh, I loved Hal! His character was fleshed out so well and I liked his character arc of being a cowardly old man to finding bravery again and dying a hero. He deserved so much better. He's officially my favourite Apollo demigod! Not that the other Apollo kids are all that impressive anyway. So who cares about them anyway? I don't. By the way, screw Apollo! And screw his sob story in TOA! I don't care how many TOA analysis posts try to downplay his role in Hal's curse and shove everything onto Zeus. Apollo has to be high on the the most cruel godly parents list in canon. Like my goodness.

Hal was so endearing with his exclamation marks when he discovered Thalia was the owner of the bracelet. I wanted to hug him! Too bad he died :'(

Now, I really wish we had the books from Luke's POV. Or even more POV of some TA demigods. Percy had it bad too...but I don't think Percy is in a position to truly understand how dark things can get for demigods. Need to add reading chapters in TLO to my reading list...

Also, what I found heartbreaking about Luke was his delicate hope in his dad Hermes. He hates him and he's bitter that Hermes abandoned him but there's this sentiment of Luke kind of hoping/wondering if Hermes contributed to things working out for him. Luke has some disdain for his demigod powers but he expertly wields it. Does Luke show any demigod powers in the main series? I wonder how powerful Luke would have become if he did not reject Hermes the way he did. Would he have developed more powers??

I also find Luke's backstory so sad. At least Percy had Sally. Luke had nothing. It's nice that Annabeth and Thalia were led to Luke but who's leading Luke?? Luke takes care of the girls but who takes care of him?! Luke is still a child himself. It's sweet that Luke and Thalia decided to play house with Annabeth and that he promised to be Annabeth's family but that's not a promise a neglected teen should be making. Anyway, it's nice that Percy and Luke are such girl dads :)

I was also not a fan of Luke's dependency on Thalia. It's cute that Luke is such a simp for Thalia but it runs the risk of Luke always putting Thalia first and being her lapdog...similar to Percabeth honestly. I liked how well they supported each other but Luke was pulling most of the weight and it's Thalia's fault they were in this bad situation. Happy that Luke had a friend in Thalia though.

Also, I need to do some Zeus bashing. This guy sucks! Hades and Poseidon have nice, wonderful women as the mothers of their kids and I bet Poseidon would have been as hands on as Hades as a father with Percy if not for the oath. Meanwhile, manwhore Zeus gets his rocks off with a shallow celebrity and peaces out. Then, shows up again as Jupiter for round 2. Zeus is seriously a piece of trash.

After reading this, I have some other questions about the worldbuilding here?

If a demigod knows who their godly parent is like Thalia and Luke do, is the claiming process still necessary? I mean it would add to the cruelty of the Hermes cabin...imagine knowing who your parent is but you're stuck with the other unclaimed kids because your immortal parent can't be bothered to give a damn for one second.

Why don't all demigods know who their godly parent is? I guess some gods/goddess pump and dump without telling their partners who they are? I guess there are some like Sally who are trying to protect their kids?

Where did Luke and Thalia get their weapons and nectar from? Other demigods? Then where did those kids get it from? Did Hermes and Zeus gift them somehow? These interference rules make no sense.

I am surprised none of Luke's mortal friends called him crazy for claiming to be the son of Hermes. Especially since the most of the US does not hold any regard for Greek gods.

Who is to blame for Hal's curse? Apollo is the main culprit but Hal keeps bringing up the other gods so it's confusing:

Then the gods set the leucrotae to guard me. Normally, leucrotae only mimic human speech, but these are linked to my thoughts. They speak for me. They keep me alive as bait, to lure other demigods. It was Apollo’s way of reminding me, forever, that my voice would only lead others to their doom.”

Luke had to use his powers to get in...so how do other demigods get in? How do they learn about the so called treasure?

How does Hal have internet and other utilities? I guess Apollo isn't 100% trash

What does Hal's line about Thalia's path being sad and lonely refer to? When was Thalia sad and lonely??

Apollo was right. Sometimes the future really is better left a mystery -> This line did not feel earned at all. Hal saved their lives with his power. If it wasn't for him, Luke may have never gotten the greek fire idea. Plus, while Luke was constantly bombarded by reminders of his bad fate, I am not sure this was a major factor in his downfall. So I don't see the takeaway of this line. Nothing in this story proved the merit of this idea. Just that Apollo is an asshole.

Annabeth is cute here. But I still don't ultimately care about her. I wonder what Luke was like as an older sibling to his half-siblings? Did they ever feel jealous of Luke's love for Annabeth?

Why was Thalia all flustered around Apollo in book 3, knowing what this jerk did to Hal?? Thalia is such a turncoat. No respect for this girl.

I loved this entry of the Demigod Diaries! Looking forward to reading more. Ugh too bad I have to deal with Percabeth in Staff of Hermes.

[trashc-anon]

if I'm remembering Greco-roman mythology right, Cupid/Eros had two types of arrows: gold for love, lead for hate.

had the shower thought that Cupid couldn't hit Luke with either option. Boy loves and hates in equal measure, that's why he was the perfect villain, and Cupid/Eros love that passionate shit. If Eros could, he would claim Luke.

Also, Fortuna? Roman goddess of luck? She has beef with the Fates, who typed the noose around Luke's neck so tight and made sure he never had a chance. It goes against Fortuna's very existance! I think she will throw a him a bone in future incarnations just to spite the old hags.

[lost-youth]

“I wish suffering comparable to Luke's for the rest of their immortal lives to each of the 12 Olympian gods, except Hestia,” Kelly said. “They're to blame for the suffering of millions of demigods. I wish them suffering of only one of all.”

***

“I wish them only what they condemned Luke to with their indifference,” Kelly shrugged. “It's not my fault that they're immortal, which means they have to suffer forever.”

[books-and-media-stuff-by-fa]

Hello my dear percy jackson fandom?

I just have a question.

The last few weeks i saw many "anti"post in the percy jackson hashtags. Just people ranting about things they don't like about the Percy Jackson.

I am just wondering where all this negativity is coming from.

Is this a New development or have I just spent these last few years in a bubble of bliss ?

[justaneedle]

Actually it's not necessarily Rick's bad writing- I mean, OF COURSE it's his bad writing, but that absolutely normal for Chiron and Dionysus to fucked up everything —Luke right under their noses— as hell.

I really don't understand why Thalia had to fight the monsters and sacrifice herself for Luke and Annabeth RIGHT ON THE BORDER OF CAMP HALF BLOOD.

Literally WHERE were Chiron and Dionysus? They KNEW that getting Thalia to camp was very important-hell, why didn't CHIRON HIMSELF COME INSTEAD OF SENDING GROVER?

Just another one of Rick's terrible writing choices that make no sense. This has been bothering me for a long time..........

[cynthiav06]

I cannot believe how this hasn't been addressed in the PJO Fandom yet but does no one notice that the books, Rick himself glosses over or downplays the fact that PERCY FUCKING JACKSON GAVE UP IMMORTALITY!!!

And in reason as to why Percy gave up immortality?

The Percabeth stans are only too happy to make "Oh Percy gave up immortality for Annabeth." The hell he did. Have we read the same books? Are you really demeaning the importance of what Percy did. Cause here's what happened, and here's why it's so important:

PERCY GAVE UP IMMORTALITY SO THAT GODS COULD CLAIM DEMIGOD CHILDREN EARLY SO THAT THEY DO NOT REMAIN DEFENSELESS.

Furthermore, he did it so CHILDREN OF MINOR GODS COULD HAVE A PLACE TO BELONG TO, TO HAVE IDENTITY OF THEIR OWN, SO MINOR GODS THEMSELVES CAN BE PROPERLY ACKNOWLEDGED.

Similarly, he further added that CHILDREN OF HADES SHOULD NOT BE OSTRACIZED, THEY AS WELL AS HADES DESERVE TO BE WELCOME INTO OLYMPUS AND INTO CAMP , DESERVE PROPER RESPECT.

What ticks me off the most is how such an important sacrifice such an important change is never addressed again to the extent it deserves.

Cause this is not a surface level thing. This is going to change and better the lives of all demigods that come after or even demigods who were wrongly forced to remain in Hermes Cabin. A safe, more respectful, more meaningful environment for all demigods no matter who their godly parent is.

Are you telling that children of minor gods don't literally worship Percy for doing all this? Don't wholly completely feel grateful at least that he voiced out for them over his own difficulties? That he made a safe place for them happen?

Are you telling me that Minor Gods themselves don't feel at least a little grateful and respect Percy who did this of his own volition without having even met many Minor Gods. That he voiced out for their own children when they couldn't?

Are you telling me that Travis and Connor or any other demigods and cabin counselors don't automatically rave on about the greatness of Percy Jackson to any new arrivals in Camp Half-Blood?

Cause we were robbed of this of a proper homage to the sacrifice other demigods, Luke himself and Percy himself made to make it happen.

Piper, Leo , and Jason all seem so ignorant to it. Even newer demigods in Chalice of Gods or other books seem ignorant to this, and that's so against the usual canon representation of Camp Half-Blood as a community.

We should have seen it in Lost Hero, should have seen it in Chalice of Gods, should have seen it acknowledge repeatedly. You know why?

Yes, Percy didn't want immortality, but don't you know that deep down Percy knew exactly what immortality meant? Eternal protection from his father in his realm. No Gods bothering him, no more sacrifices or death quests. Freedom to do what he wants. To be able to spend time with his family as long as he wants without the worry of risking their safety. And he gave it all up

NOT EVEN IMMORTALITY. GODS WOULD HAVE GRANTED ANY WISH. HE COULD HAVE WISHED ANYTHING. FOR HIM TO BE PROTECTED? NO MORE QUESTS? FOR GODS TO LEAVE HIM ALONE? HE GAVE IT ALL UP, ALL OF IT.

Perseus bloody Jackson made happen what no one in the History of Camp Half-Blood has ever done. He managed to make Gods change their ignorant ways. He dismantled a culture of neglect and abuse.

And the fact Rick himself let this happen, let all this gloss over, and the fact that Percabeth stans have the AUDACITY to insinuate that he did for Annabeth and demean Luke's sacrifice, Percy's sacrifice is beyond me.

[my-pjo-stuff]

To everyone saying "Luke had the right idea, he just went about it wrong" reffering to him using force and building an army....

..... what else should he have done? Genuine question. What should Luke have done diffrently? What was "the right way"? The gods weren't gonna listen to arguments. The gods weren't gonna answer to prayers and asking.

The gods all speak only one language, and that language is violence and fear.

I mean.... I think you all forgot why the gods listened to Percy in the first place at the end. The gods listened to Percy due to Luke having been so incredibly close to overthrowing them.

The only reason the gods listened was because they , at least for a brief amount of time, no longer held the monopoly of power. The only way to get through to them is violence and pain. Luke just had one wrong ally but at the core? Building an army and starting a revolt? That was the only way.

[lady-menrva]

Can we take a moment to talk about the recurring “it’s not problematic / offensive, it’s quirky” theme throughout all the three series? The entire discussion would get too long so I’ll just split it into parts and throw the spotlight on PJO here:

• ADHD and Dyslexia as superpowers: Just no. This has always rubbed me the wrong way. Want to include representation? Be real and sensitive about it. He barely even portrayed or talked about it in detail. A lot of the time, it just seemed plain derogatory and tokenist.

• Artemis and her “badass” hunt: In hindsight it seems straight up predatory and objectionable. What do you mean she mostly recruits young girls who don’t even have well-developed decision making skills. People have come out and talked about how it also seems to mirror unethical recruitment of young children in real life.

• World War II as a plot point: This has been talked about before, and I’ll throw in my two cents- the Second World War was one of the most tragic and impactful events in contemporary history, with a complicated background and multiple sides at fault. Watering it down to some conflict between demigods is unacceptable and disgusting.

• Camp halfblood in general : Camp halfblood is also just child soldier central, just like Camp Jupiter. Children were sent out to die on a routine basis in the name of heroism long before the conflicts with Kronos. The fact that this is never acknowledged or changed is just horrid. They could stay safely in the camp atleast for some time but what is the need to send them on quests? And please don't come to me babbling about how Percy challenged the gods about this, when he himself was a puppet for the next 5 books and counting (plus, even in trials of Apollo the child soldier system doesn't change). Or about how gods can't intervene, when they in fact, can.

[justaneedle]

People prefer not to pay attention to the fact that the gods are really bad rulers. And they commit crimes as rulers, not just parents~ (oh, hi, pjo tv show)

I still think that the most baffling thing to me about the PJO fandom is that like 98% of them don’t even know about Hal and his story. They don’t know about what the gods did to him. They don’t know what the gods did to the hundreds of demigods that were part of the Titan army, after the battle of Manhattan was over.

Most of the fandom thinks that Luke only considered tearing down Olympus because, "his daddy didn’t pay enough attention to him".

Most of the fandom thinks that all of those other demigods that were in the Titan Army are alive but just living in the mortal world.

Most of the fandom is just forming all of their "hot takes" on the information that we get from Percy, the information that Chiron and the gods carefully feed to him. They’re missing 90% of the information and it really shows.

[justaneedle]

Okay, how do year-round demigods get an education?

How do they go to college if they have zero graduation cards (whatever how it calls, you get me), some may even be considered missing/dead, remembering the same Mist and its strange, mostly harmful properties?

How the fuck did Thalia go to school at the TTC? Who's the fuck her foster home/orphanage since she did run away at 10, died at 12, and was an 15yo after 7 years and her mother dead. What the hell are documents anyway?

The whole damn life of Luke and May? Okay, after his escape, Hermes could have started helping May (which is very controversial), but he clearly didn't do it until Luke was 9 years old.

Annabeth had to be damn removed from the family after she suddenly appeared 6 (UDT: 2 years — a half of the year and then after the next 4) years later; Frederick should be deprived of parental rights and dragged along with her stepmother by checks because of the rest of the children (this is about how Annabeth's life ‘wasn't as bad’ as she claimed). No, fuck. Both her parents and her stepmother are abusers — this is direct neglect, which is a form of abuse, and in their case it affected physical harm to her health too.

And it's only the characters about whom we know things.

[fanfic-lover-girl]

I am re-reading my now former favourite PJO reading the books fic and I realized something.

It's so amusing when the authors in the fics have the gods acting holier than thou. Saying Luke is not innocent or he's evil. The gods acting horrified when their actions are compared to Luke's.

Just looking at the PJO version of the gods so far:

Hades tried to murder Thalia, didn't he literally murder her?

Zeus has tried to murder Percy on several occasions. PJO Zeus is such a major idiot, I don't know how this asshole is still king of the gods.

Zeus murdered Maria, an innocent woman, and tried to kill Hades' young children.

The gods have literally voted on whether to kill literal children who acted in their service

The state of the Hermes' cabin is a clear sign of child abuse.

Apollo literally sees Percy as his errand boy in Singer of Apollo

So many kids died because the gods, Zeus really, were incompetent idiots and had to rely on babies to fight their war for them.

Mr. D is entertaining and all but what the heck was happening in book 2??

Hades imprisoned Percy in TLO so he could foolishly wait for Nico to take on the prophecy.

Ares cursed Percy because he was a sore loser.

But no, Luke is the big bad devil! The gods clutching their pearls to be compared to such a monster!

Gods like Apollo are poor, sad abuse victims 🥺

Gods like Hermes are bound by Ancient laws and can't do anything 😭

I love fics where the gods are good parents or become better parents. But I notice that authors use Luke as the scapegoat in a sense. Because if the gods were good all along, then Luke is just an angry kid who becomes a terrorist for no reason. He didn't know how good he had it, he should be grateful!

I don't understand why Rick is willing to paint Apollo, a literal GOD (I swear the PJO gods are pathetic, no wonder these losers don't have many worshippers) as a poor abuse victim over Luke who was a mortal child let down by all the adults around him. I guess Hal wasn't a thing anymore? That's being swept under the rug I guess so we can better cry over poor Apollo.

[modawg]

it actually pisses me off a little bit that reyna made that joke abt percy not being able to find his way out of a paper bag if annabeth wasn’t there and annabeth LAUGHED

my pjo annabeth would never do that are you kidding

your saying the girl who used to hate her blonde hair bc people thought (based off her looks) that she was dumb would be ok with someone doing that to her boyfriend ??

your telling me hubris wise girl chase would date a dumb ass bitch ??

your saying to my face that everytime annabeth has seen percy be super capable and strategic through the first 5 books all got whittled down to that moment ??

nah immediately nah

if it was og annabeth she would’ve given reyna the fattest side eye bc not only is some RANDOM BITCH saying that shit abt her bf but the fact that she said that infront of him ?? NAHHHHHHHH

everyday i’m mad abt what rick did to himbo percy EVERYDAY

[justaneedle]

Luke chose the only working way to change the system. And it just so happened that cause of the imbalance of the powers of the gods, it was Kronos.

But any normal person doesn't throw eggs at a tyrant, but gathers people against him; preferably not only civilians, cause they are will fucked up. As far as people, we don't live in a dystopia (with signs of such, but not bingo yet), then the world of PJO is a dystopia and I will die on this hill.

Okay I'm thinking about Luke Castellan and all the reasons for his betrayal of the gods, and one that I personally have never seen talked about is his own parentification.

Cause he grew up with an unstable mother, meaning for the most part he had to raise himself and THEN he runs away and he meets these two girls, both younger than him and just as lost as he is, and he's found someone to protect in a way he never gets to be protected.

He gets to camp, and from there he's raising a grieving Annabeth BUT as time goes on and he gets older he gains more responsibility, and by the time Percy meets him, he's basically a parent figure to the ENTIRE Hermes cabin, as well as one of if not THE oldest camper in the whole camp.

He's constantly watching these kids beg for the gods'attention, both parental and otherwise, and seeking that attention in him, and of course he curses them. It is because of them the kids he cares about are hurting. And, more selfishly, it is because of them he has an emotional and mental burden of parenthood, when he never wanted nor prepared for it. Of course they're the villains.