#anti pjo gods

[lady-menrva]

Can we take a moment to talk about the recurring “it’s not problematic / offensive, it’s quirky” theme throughout all the three series? The entire discussion would get too long so I’ll just split it into parts and throw the spotlight on PJO here:

• ADHD and Dyslexia as superpowers: Just no. This has always rubbed me the wrong way. Want to include representation? Be real and sensitive about it. He barely even portrayed or talked about it in detail. A lot of the time, it just seemed plain derogatory and tokenist.

• Artemis and her “badass” hunt: In hindsight it seems straight up predatory and objectionable. What do you mean she mostly recruits young girls who don’t even have well-developed decision making skills. People have come out and talked about how it also seems to mirror unethical recruitment of young children in real life.

• World War II as a plot point: This has been talked about before, and I’ll throw in my two cents- the Second World War was one of the most tragic and impactful events in contemporary history, with a complicated background and multiple sides at fault. Watering it down to some conflict between demigods is unacceptable and disgusting.

• Camp halfblood in general : Camp halfblood is also just child soldier central, just like Camp Jupiter. Children were sent out to die on a routine basis in the name of heroism long before the conflicts with Kronos. The fact that this is never acknowledged or changed is just horrid. They could stay safely in the camp atleast for some time but what is the need to send them on quests? And please don't come to me babbling about how Percy challenged the gods about this, when he himself was a puppet for the next 5 books and counting (plus, even in trials of Apollo the child soldier system doesn't change). Or about how gods can't intervene, when they in fact, can.

[my-pjo-stuff]

[justaneedle]

As someone who remember that Luke had more spies than Silena (no, there's no way she's the only one)...

I really want the spy POV who survived, no one ever found out the truth, and he never repents.

Cause the life of the demigods like was a cesspool, so it remained only with makeshift ‘facelift'.

And for this person, logically, only Luke and Annabeth will fall under the ‘heroes’, well, Ethan is a stretch for trying. Because at least Kronos didn't fucking burn everyone with his being, cause of them.

The spy nods what Kronos was not the best option. But the only one. And if not Percy and co this situation might never even happened (the fleece).

And he remember very well how in TLT demigods started pick a side based on godly parents and how he didn't want this at all, he ‘hated’ (not really) and was disappointed in every one demigod in CHB cause they're clearly not a family. Demigods in the TA from other hand...

After the Battle of the Manhattan all spies keep the distance from each other. Some repents, some not and you don't know who exactly.

[books-and-media-stuff-by-fa]

Hello my dear percy jackson fandom?

I just have a question.

The last few weeks i saw many "anti"post in the percy jackson hashtags. Just people ranting about things they don't like about the Percy Jackson.

I am just wondering where all this negativity is coming from.

Is this a New development or have I just spent these last few years in a bubble of bliss ?

[trashc-anon]

if I'm remembering Greco-roman mythology right, Cupid/Eros had two types of arrows: gold for love, lead for hate.

had the shower thought that Cupid couldn't hit Luke with either option. Boy loves and hates in equal measure, that's why he was the perfect villain, and Cupid/Eros love that passionate shit. If Eros could, he would claim Luke.

Also, Fortuna? Roman goddess of luck? She has beef with the Fates, who typed the noose around Luke's neck so tight and made sure he never had a chance. It goes against Fortuna's very existance! I think she will throw a him a bone in future incarnations just to spite the old hags.

[lost-youth]

The stars are what I look for at night.

It's older than the gods. The stars can be a symbol of renunciation of divine authority. Especially from Artemis and Apollo.

It was kinda dumb of mortals to call these ancient celestial bodies by the names of these assholes. On the other hand, the gods should be grateful to them — mortals remember them from myths, popular culture, planets...

And they continue to drag out their inglorious existence.

[justaneedle]

People prefer not to pay attention to the fact that the gods are really bad rulers. And they commit crimes as rulers, not just parents~ (oh, hi, pjo tv show)

I still think that the most baffling thing to me about the PJO fandom is that like 98% of them don’t even know about Hal and his story. They don’t know about what the gods did to him. They don’t know what the gods did to the hundreds of demigods that were part of the Titan army, after the battle of Manhattan was over.

Most of the fandom thinks that Luke only considered tearing down Olympus because, "his daddy didn’t pay enough attention to him".

Most of the fandom thinks that all of those other demigods that were in the Titan Army are alive but just living in the mortal world.

Most of the fandom is just forming all of their "hot takes" on the information that we get from Percy, the information that Chiron and the gods carefully feed to him. They’re missing 90% of the information and it really shows.

[cynthiav06]

I cannot believe how this hasn't been addressed in the PJO Fandom yet but does no one notice that the books, Rick himself glosses over or downplays the fact that PERCY FUCKING JACKSON GAVE UP IMMORTALITY!!!

And in reason as to why Percy gave up immortality?

The Percabeth stans are only too happy to make "Oh Percy gave up immortality for Annabeth." The hell he did. Have we read the same books? Are you really demeaning the importance of what Percy did. Cause here's what happened, and here's why it's so important:

PERCY GAVE UP IMMORTALITY SO THAT GODS COULD CLAIM DEMIGOD CHILDREN EARLY SO THAT THEY DO NOT REMAIN DEFENSELESS.

Furthermore, he did it so CHILDREN OF MINOR GODS COULD HAVE A PLACE TO BELONG TO, TO HAVE IDENTITY OF THEIR OWN, SO MINOR GODS THEMSELVES CAN BE PROPERLY ACKNOWLEDGED.

Similarly, he further added that CHILDREN OF HADES SHOULD NOT BE OSTRACIZED, THEY AS WELL AS HADES DESERVE TO BE WELCOME INTO OLYMPUS AND INTO CAMP , DESERVE PROPER RESPECT.

What ticks me off the most is how such an important sacrifice such an important change is never addressed again to the extent it deserves.

Cause this is not a surface level thing. This is going to change and better the lives of all demigods that come after or even demigods who were wrongly forced to remain in Hermes Cabin. A safe, more respectful, more meaningful environment for all demigods no matter who their godly parent is.

Are you telling that children of minor gods don't literally worship Percy for doing all this? Don't wholly completely feel grateful at least that he voiced out for them over his own difficulties? That he made a safe place for them happen?

Are you telling me that Minor Gods themselves don't feel at least a little grateful and respect Percy who did this of his own volition without having even met many Minor Gods. That he voiced out for their own children when they couldn't?

Are you telling me that Travis and Connor or any other demigods and cabin counselors don't automatically rave on about the greatness of Percy Jackson to any new arrivals in Camp Half-Blood?

Cause we were robbed of this of a proper homage to the sacrifice other demigods, Luke himself and Percy himself made to make it happen.

Piper, Leo , and Jason all seem so ignorant to it. Even newer demigods in Chalice of Gods or other books seem ignorant to this, and that's so against the usual canon representation of Camp Half-Blood as a community.

We should have seen it in Lost Hero, should have seen it in Chalice of Gods, should have seen it acknowledge repeatedly. You know why?

Yes, Percy didn't want immortality, but don't you know that deep down Percy knew exactly what immortality meant? Eternal protection from his father in his realm. No Gods bothering him, no more sacrifices or death quests. Freedom to do what he wants. To be able to spend time with his family as long as he wants without the worry of risking their safety. And he gave it all up

NOT EVEN IMMORTALITY. GODS WOULD HAVE GRANTED ANY WISH. HE COULD HAVE WISHED ANYTHING. FOR HIM TO BE PROTECTED? NO MORE QUESTS? FOR GODS TO LEAVE HIM ALONE? HE GAVE IT ALL UP, ALL OF IT.

Perseus bloody Jackson made happen what no one in the History of Camp Half-Blood has ever done. He managed to make Gods change their ignorant ways. He dismantled a culture of neglect and abuse.

And the fact Rick himself let this happen, let all this gloss over, and the fact that Percabeth stans have the AUDACITY to insinuate that he did for Annabeth and demean Luke's sacrifice, Percy's sacrifice is beyond me.

[modawg]

it actually pisses me off a little bit that reyna made that joke abt percy not being able to find his way out of a paper bag if annabeth wasn’t there and annabeth LAUGHED

my pjo annabeth would never do that are you kidding

your saying the girl who used to hate her blonde hair bc people thought (based off her looks) that she was dumb would be ok with someone doing that to her boyfriend ??

your telling me hubris wise girl chase would date a dumb ass bitch ??

your saying to my face that everytime annabeth has seen percy be super capable and strategic through the first 5 books all got whittled down to that moment ??

nah immediately nah

if it was og annabeth she would’ve given reyna the fattest side eye bc not only is some RANDOM BITCH saying that shit abt her bf but the fact that she said that infront of him ?? NAHHHHHHHH

everyday i’m mad abt what rick did to himbo percy EVERYDAY

[ofswordsandpens]

Riordan: And the grand lesson that Percy needed to learn over the course of hoo, the culmination of his character arc of this series, the moment where the fate of the world hangs in the balance because of a single decision he has to make... is realizing when he needs to take a step back :)

Me:

[justaneedle]

Luke chose the only working way to change the system. And it just so happened that cause of the imbalance of the powers of the gods, it was Kronos.

But any normal person doesn't throw eggs at a tyrant, but gathers people against him; preferably not only civilians, cause they are will fucked up. As far as people, we don't live in a dystopia (with signs of such, but not bingo yet), then the world of PJO is a dystopia and I will die on this hill.

Okay I'm thinking about Luke Castellan and all the reasons for his betrayal of the gods, and one that I personally have never seen talked about is his own parentification.

Cause he grew up with an unstable mother, meaning for the most part he had to raise himself and THEN he runs away and he meets these two girls, both younger than him and just as lost as he is, and he's found someone to protect in a way he never gets to be protected.

He gets to camp, and from there he's raising a grieving Annabeth BUT as time goes on and he gets older he gains more responsibility, and by the time Percy meets him, he's basically a parent figure to the ENTIRE Hermes cabin, as well as one of if not THE oldest camper in the whole camp.

He's constantly watching these kids beg for the gods'attention, both parental and otherwise, and seeking that attention in him, and of course he curses them. It is because of them the kids he cares about are hurting. And, more selfishly, it is because of them he has an emotional and mental burden of parenthood, when he never wanted nor prepared for it. Of course they're the villains.

[lady-menrva]

Random PJO Meme (8 of ??)

DISCLAIMER: It’s a meme. Don’t take it personally. I just have a love-hate relationship with the riordanverse.

The only best way to enjoy PJO and HoO

(#switchoffyourbrain. On a more serious note, whenever I sit down to think about pjo or hoo, I end up taking a red pill with respect to the character writing, plot, “representation”, mythologically inaccurate portrayal of gods etc)

[my-pjo-stuff]

To everyone saying "Luke had the right idea, he just went about it wrong" reffering to him using force and building an army....

..... what else should he have done? Genuine question. What should Luke have done diffrently? What was "the right way"? The gods weren't gonna listen to arguments. The gods weren't gonna answer to prayers and asking.

The gods all speak only one language, and that language is violence and fear.

I mean.... I think you all forgot why the gods listened to Percy in the first place at the end. The gods listened to Percy due to Luke having been so incredibly close to overthrowing them.

The only reason the gods listened was because they , at least for a brief amount of time, no longer held the monopoly of power. The only way to get through to them is violence and pain. Luke just had one wrong ally but at the core? Building an army and starting a revolt? That was the only way.

[justaneedle]

Okay, how do year-round demigods get an education?

How do they go to college if they have zero graduation cards (whatever how it calls, you get me), some may even be considered missing/dead, remembering the same Mist and its strange, mostly harmful properties?

How the fuck did Thalia go to school at the TTC? Who's the fuck her foster home/orphanage since she did run away at 10, died at 12, and was an 15yo after 7 years and her mother dead. What the hell are documents anyway?

The whole damn life of Luke and May? Okay, after his escape, Hermes could have started helping May (which is very controversial), but he clearly didn't do it until Luke was 9 years old.

Annabeth had to be damn removed from the family after she suddenly appeared 6 (UDT: 2 years — a half of the year and then after the next 4) years later; Frederick should be deprived of parental rights and dragged along with her stepmother by checks because of the rest of the children (this is about how Annabeth's life ‘wasn't as bad’ as she claimed). No, fuck. Both her parents and her stepmother are abusers — this is direct neglect, which is a form of abuse, and in their case it affected physical harm to her health too.

And it's only the characters about whom we know things.

[fate-of-the-envious]

Concerning Snippets from PJO Chalice of the Gods

Annabeth didn't give Percy any warning. Didn't talk to him. Didn't tell him what she was thinking and just pushed him off the edge, not even knowing if this water was breathable to Percy, AND since he wasn't even prepared he could have easy lost his hold on this important staff.

Now he's fighting this unknown god, Elisson, who guess what wants to cause Percy pain.

Yeah, Annabeth, what did you think was going to happen? Oh, wise one *sarcastic*. At least Percy thinks of more than himself and wants to keep his partner safe.

Here Percy's been through the ringer, forced into this situation BY ANNABETH, and Annabeth, who is safe up on the cliff, is just tapping her wrist like it's a watch because she's impatient for her boyfriend to hurry up. Like girl, this god could kill Percy and has already hurt him, and this is how you react.

Look, I don't care if anyone likes Annabeth or not, but this kind of behavior, not to mention so many more things, is just so concerning to me. Percabeth is not a healthy relationship, and it never has been.

It's just so concerning that this is what been taught to as early as elementary school kids about what is a "healthy" relationship. Not to mention how many times Annabeth has elbowed Percy, kicked his shins, and calls him stupid. Let's not forget the judoflip in HOO either, where Annabeth puts her knee on Percy's chest and presses her forearm against his throat and tells him not to leave her, LIKE HE CHOSE TO BE KIDNAPPED. Instead of ya know, hugging him and telling him she loves him.

[braghis]

Listen. I had fun the last time, so i'm gonna leave here another list of my Riordanverse unpopular opinions/hot takes. I hope no one is gonna cancel me:

- Throwing every single female character in the hunters is lazy writing and kinda OOC for Reyna;

- The Cupid scene is disgusting and the fact that it was made by a queer god makes it even worse;

- Jason and Nico's friendship >>> Percy and Jason's friendship. Nico and Jason were more foils than the latter and Percy will ever be;

- Leo and Nico should have been friends, and the fact that Leo was so scarred of him in HoO is wasted potential;

- Today Percy is basically the not-so-unconfirmed most powerful demigod BUT both Nico and Hazel have the potential to being more powerful than him. However, since Percy is based on Rick's own son he refuses to elaborate on it;

- Actually GROVER is Percy's best friend, not Jason, and in HoO Annabeth and Piper had a more "kinda homoerotic bromance" going on than their boyfriends ever had;

- Aside from that, Jason is clearly alive. Trow that ToA scene away;

- Nico killing Bryce Lawrence is both the most terrifying and the best scene in both PJo and HoO;

- It would have been better if Hazel and Frank were friends-crushingoneachother during HoO and started dating in ToA;

- Riordan's amatonormativity wasted the potential of many characters (like Nico and Leo) and the potential of many friendships;

- Caleo is acceptable in HoO but in ToA it fucking sucks;

- Actually it would have been interesting if Calypso discovered herself as a lesbian during ToA OR in a possible Leo's standalone novel;

- In terms of capabilities, storylines and roles in the plot Percy, Annabeth, Nico, Hazel and Reyna are Riordan's most badass characters. Others (mostly Thalia, Jason and Piper) have the potential but are underdeveloped;

- And that in my opinion is HoO biggest problem: the series has many new interesting characters (Hazel, Leo, Reyna, Jason) but they are underdeveloped in favor of 1) romance and 2) Percabeth being in the major spotlight;

- I have mixed feeling about Percy and Annabeth being part of the Seven;

- Fierrochase >>>>> Solangelo;

- Tsats is utter dogshit and it is REALLY hard to consider it canon;

- Canon Solangelo is ableist and the fact that a big part of the fandom has no problem with it is kinda disturbing. Also some fanon solangelo contents are ableist as well and it is partly RR's fault;

- The fandom basically wrote and characterized Will Solace's character. Neither Riordan or Mark Oshiro give a fuck about him, and problably that's NOT gonna improve in the Tsats sequel;

- Accusing people who don't like solangelo and/or Tsats of homophobia is like the dumbest take ever;

- RR's representation characters are a concentration of stereotypes;

- It would have been better if Piper had her self-discovering - queer storyline from the beginning of HoO. It would have made her more interesting and relatable;

- Even more, it would have been more interesting if Piper had her queer-reveal storyline in HoO THANKS to her not-so-straight chemistry with Annabeth;

- Making Nico a overly morally correct/morally "pure" character makes him less interesting;

- CJ >>> CHB;

- Nico should be a rough demigod;

- It is heavily implied that the majority of CHB STILL doesn't like Nico and they only "tolerate" him because they like Will;

- Bisexual Jason is better and makes more sense than bisexual Percy. Jason's arc is basically a metaphor of bisexuality;

- It makes me sad how RR basically throw away every other Nico's beautiful relationships (with Jason, Reyna, Hazel, even Percy..) in favor of solangelo. Nico WAS a complex and developed character, now he's kinda just "the gay one";

- With his latest works RR is ruining his own franchise;

- PJo>>>>>>MG>>>ToA>>HoO;