#anti thalia grace

[forbiddensonoftheseagod]

࿐"𝓦𝓪𝓼 𝓘 𝓼𝓽𝓾𝓹𝓲𝓭 𝓽𝓸 𝓵𝓸𝓿𝓮 𝔂𝓸𝓾?"࿐

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࿐"𝓦𝓪𝓼 𝓘 𝓻𝓮𝓬𝓴𝓵𝓮𝓼𝓼 𝓽𝓸 𝓱𝓮𝓵𝓹?"࿐

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“Hello hello to all demigods and mortals out there! I’m Percy Jackson, everyone’s favorite seaweed brain. I think you guys know me already but, no harm in introducing myself again.”

"The whole 'I didnt want to be a half blood' thing, monsters and explosions here and there- Bunch of BUNCH OF monsters, they're obsessed with me. I was a Praetor once, it was okay. Oh, son of Poseidon, by the way. Crazy, I know."

"Uhm I'm just shocked I'm still here- like BREATHING...? Shit man-"

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࿐"𝓦𝓪𝓼 𝓲𝓽 𝓸𝓫𝓿𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓽𝓸 𝓮𝓿𝓮𝓻𝔂𝓫𝓸𝓭𝔂 𝓮𝓵𝓼𝓮?"࿐

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“Have I introduced you to my friends yet-”

We have:

@challenging-lord-frank - “This guy’s an absolute beast, telling you. He’s the son of Mars, legacy of Poseidon. He’s dating Hazel too. One of Camp Jupiter’s proudest praetor.”

@hazel-the-jewel - “She’s a really great friend! Scary at times but- she’s nice! Daughter of Pluto, the praetor of camp Jupiter! Hi Haz!”

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࿐"𝓣𝓱𝓪𝓽 𝓘'𝓭 𝓯𝓪𝓵𝓵𝓮𝓷 𝓯𝓸𝓻 𝓪 𝓵𝓲𝓮?"࿐

"While Jason's back was turned, Caligula wheeled about. He threw his spear, driving it's point between Jason's shoulder blades. Piper screamed. Jason stiffened, his blue eyes wide in shock."

@lightning-boi-is-here - “Hello, darling, nice to see you again after so long… (my beloved male wife I love him) Son of Jupiter, and going to university too! Good luck man (babe)!”

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@bianca-d1-angelo - “If I could, I’d have managed to convince you to let me go in the robot.”

@gh0st-king-nico - “Ayeee, neeks! He’s just a little silly that’s all, not that scary. Son of Hades, hence the emo look- kidding, kidding…”

@will-shoelaces - “This guy doesn’t rest, I tell him to. He doesn’t- Son of Apollo and our dear nurse, in need of help- get therapy like the rest of us man.”

@daughter-of-bell0na - “Reyna! Uhm. Please spare me I beg. She’s a former praetor- and now a huntress! Lovely! (i think she wants me dead help-) Daughter of Bellona! (like the chocolate)”.

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࿐"𝓨𝓸𝓾 𝔀𝓮𝓻𝓮 𝓷𝓮𝓿𝓮𝓻 𝓸𝓷 𝓶𝔂 𝓼𝓲𝓭𝓮."࿐

࿐"𝓕𝓸𝓸𝓵 𝓶𝓮 𝓸𝓷𝓬𝓮, 𝓯𝓸𝓸𝓵 𝓶𝓮 𝓽𝔀𝓲𝓬𝓮."࿐

࿐"𝓐𝓻𝓮 𝔂𝓸𝓾 𝓭𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓱, 𝓸𝓻 𝓹𝓪𝓻𝓪𝓭𝓲𝓼𝓮?"࿐

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@annabeth-w1se-g1rl - “Annabeth Chase, y’know this girl- big ol’ brain and big ahh pride… Daughter of Athena, makes sense with the whole pride and everything.”

Th*lia Grace - "Ew."

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࿐"𝓝𝓸𝔀 𝔂𝓸𝓾'𝓵𝓵 𝓷𝓮𝓿𝓮𝓻 𝓼𝓮𝓮 𝓶𝓮 𝓬𝓻𝔂."࿐

࿐"𝓣𝓱𝓮𝓻𝓮'𝓼 𝓳𝓾𝓼𝓽 𝓷𝓸 𝓽𝓲𝓶𝓮 𝓽𝓸 𝓭𝓲𝓮."࿐

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Piper McClean - ”Piper can be Nice! Well- no, she can't be, she will be when she wants, ahaha- love her though (meh). Daughter of Aphrodite and dating Shel."

Leo Valdez - “Leo! This guy can do bit about everything with his tools, you gotta love him, apparently all the ladies do (well- his delulu ahh says that) Son of Hephaestus. “

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Ooc: Hello hello! Pleasure to meet you, the name’s Coty. My main account is @childofthewargod and my other account is @sonofthewargodbutgodoflove ! Along with @daughteroftheagriculturegoddess , @sonofthewineanddramagod , and @sonofthewargod ! Muah <3

[my-pjo-stuff]

The day I lost all respect for Thalia was the day she faulted LUKE for her death (a 14 y/o kid deciding to defend himself instead of running) instead of Hades (fully grown god who specifically sent the monsters that killed Thalia after her to avenge something she had nothing to do with.)

[wanderingmind867]

"Despite what she'd said about meeting him again, Jason wondered. She'd found a new family with the Hunters, and a new mother in Artemis. She seemed so confident and comfortable with her life, jason wasn't sure if he'd ever be part of it. And she seemed so set on finding her friend Percy. Had she ever searched for Jason that way?"

Well, Jason, considering you're never mentioned in the original five books: she probably stopped caring about you after a while. Assuming you were dead, she grieved but mostly moved on. And you're right. I don't think you'll ever belong in her world. Because she has new people in her life, and you're not as important as her Hunters or as Artemis or even as Annabeth or Percy. You're not as important to her as you could be.

But screw thalia. You don't need her. You have Leo and Piper and Coach Hedge. Those three are some of the best people you could have. They actually like you and see you for you. They don't just see you as some two year old who tried to eat a stapler. They know the real you. They're real friends.

And eventually you'll have Nico and all the other members of the seven in your friend group too. You don't need a stupid sister who abandoned you to be a hunter…oh my god, it's Bianca di Angelo all over again! Why are there two male characters who get virtually abandoned by their sisters!? Great, now Nico and Jason really have something to bond over...

[justaneedle]

The reblog thread about this is getting a bit long so imma put it in an ask, but genuinly I think Thalia not being there in the Throne Room was a very good Idea.

Because she NEVER would have allowed Percy to give Luke the knife. I don't know if she'd even allow Annabeth's "Family Luke, you promised" plea.

Infact I'm pretty sure she would have ended up attacking Kronos/Luke head on and gotten killed by him. And even at the end it would only have ended up in distaster- because tbh I doubt she'd have any (basic human) compassion for Luke as he lay dying.

Because he WOULD have talked to her, too.

Best case she stays cold and doesn't respond, props breaking Luke's heart but with him still dying with relative dignity accepting she hates him. Thalia proceeds to absoloutly ruin her relationship with Annabeth over that because to her Thalia just let Luke die in sorrow just because she's petty.

Worst case she insults him or worse, making Luke's death even worse for him and burning down any bridge she ever had with Annabeth in the process.

I'd have loved some emotional closoure for the two, but as it stands in canon Thalia could only have made things worse for everyone.

Okay, now it occurs to me that, indeed, Luke would have spoken first, most likely asking the most rhetorical question about whether Thalia hates him...

At best, she'd gave him a very uncertain no, considering how quickly after his fucking death she told Zoe that she were right about Luke—

Girl, you fucking kicked him off a cliff! Yeah, not on purpose, but you still fucking killed your old friend!

In fact, how stressful for Thalia could his attempt, being unarmed on the edge of a cliff, to desperately grab for her spear be?! Considering that she didn't even push him away with her upper body, but with her foot?..

Oh boi, I'm not allowed thinking about that— Annabeth was blaming herself for reject to him. Thalia goes with “You were right about Luke, about heroes, men— everything.” right after she killed him.

[po1sonous-l0ve]

Headcannons!

Nico does gymnastics- he's super flexible.

Will is the complete opposite-stiff as wood but strong.

Jason (who is definitely not dead) loves teamwork games- football (soccer for the americans) basketball, rugby, volleyball, cricket, etc.

Sally and Paul legally adopt Jason and Thalia, and Jason stays in Percy's room when he goes to college.

Annabeth used to read Artemis Fowl and got a lot of tricks from the books.

Nico likes to play DnD, and is always pestering Hades to play with him.

Nico learns how to braid afro hair for Hazel, and does cute braids for her whenever she visits camp.

Leo and Calypso break up and part as friends (manifesting for a future book)

Jason and Leo get together (more manifesting)

Rachel is pan or ace.

Nico and Rachel are beasties, and he goes over to her house to listen to Olivia Rodrigo and MGK

[massiveladycat]

they could never make me hate you annabeth chase

[justaneedle]

Ahh, this one...

Yeah, exactly, I have the same reaction, and outburst in post.

That's why I never can get Thalia as a character like, girl, what?

And this ‘Hermes love’ my ass. Hey, Rick heard anything about the different way to express love and if person that you love don't know about that = you don't love him.

Cause he's simply has no idea about that. So Hermes can take his love and shove it up his ass.

Sorry, personal crap.

*SWEARING & YAPPING AHEAD. EVERYTHING STATED HERE IS MY OBJECTIVE OPINION AND IN NO WAY MEANT TO REFLECT THE OBJECTIVE TRUTH*

Hi yeah I just started chapter 14 and- am I the only one who sort of HATES how Thalia's being handled? And also Percy to some degree? Like- Thalia and Percy had just had this a conversation about Luke and ngl? Thalia sounded like such a selfish and entitled BITCH like!? The way she talked about "Luke's bad decisions" and that "they all have tough things to deal with" !? JUST NO! YK WHAT THALIA!? FUCK YOU! Like is she for real here? Really!? REALLY!? Like I get that Thalia is angry at Luke, and that the guy did some stupid and bad stuff but- TO ACT SO APATHETIC TO IT ALL!? LIKE HE'S ACTING UNREASONABLE OR SOMETHING!?

This isn't solely "Luke's just being a brat about something we all had to deal with". Luke's mother went INSANE. He was stuck with a mom having MENTAL FITS TO THE POINT OF HIM HAVING TO HIDE IN CLOSETS. The boy had to run away and live on the streets ALONE.

He had ZERO SUPPORT SYSTEMS IN PLACE.

For the love of GOD Thalia! Way to show you have the empathy of a STONE. And that guy was supposed to be your friend!? Not going to lie Thalia doesn't feel like someone who knows Luke in this book, even if she way mad at him. AND THEN THE COMMENT ABOUT HIM SUPPOSEDLY BEING AT FAULT FOR THEM NOT GETTING TO CAMP IN TIME 'CAUSE OF "PICKING FIGHTS WITH MONSTERS" LIKE??????? Like is the author for real right now? THAT'S what the consense is????? Last time I checked monsters were a bunch of blood thirsty LITTERAL GOD DAMN MONSTERS whose number 1 hobby is hunting and killing demigods. EVERYONE ELSE litteraly fights them ALL THE TIME.

BUT WHEN LUKE DOES IT IT'S SUDDENLY BAD!? THE FUCK???

And then the way she PHRASED it!? "Picking fights" implies that LUKE was the one who started the confrontation when i know DAMN WELL he didn't. Those were MONSTERS, they are KNOWN FOR ATTACKING DEMIGODS. BUT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO LUKE IS AT FAULT FOR THE FIGHT FOR SOME REASON! NOT THE BLOODTHIRSTY CREATUREAKNOWN FOR ATTACKING DEMIGODS!?

AND THEN THALIA ALSO SEEMS TO FORGET THE WONDERFUL FACT THAT LUKE WAS LIKE- UNDER 14 STILL WHEN ALL THAT WENT DOWN! That boy was a CHILD.

But I guess defending yourself is bad now! Sorry dude you heared Thalia, you should have just laid belly up and let yourself get killed^ Ands then that stupid ass line about Hermes loving Luke as if somehow made up for something????? LIKE BE SO FOR REAL THALIA WE BOTH FUCKING KNOW THAT HERMES "LOVING LUKE" DOESN'T MEAN JACK SHIT. I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH HE LOVED HIM HE STILL WAS A SHITTY ASS FATHER WHO DID FUCK ALL FOR HIS KID.

And now before anyone comes at me about this. I do not give a CRAP about that rule Hermes mentioned of gods not being allowed to meddle with mortal affairs because A) YOU GUYS ALREADY FUCK MORTALS TO PRODUCE CHILDREN WITH THEM!? THE FUCK YOU MEAN YOU "AREN'T ALLOWED TO MEDDLE WITH MORTALS" AND

B) LUKE WASN'T EVEN A FUCKING MORTAL YOU DIPSHIT!? HE WAS A DEMIGOD! A CHILD DEMIGOD AT THAT!? UR A MOTHERFUCKING GOD WE BOTH FUCKING KNOW YOU COULD HAVE DONE ATLEAST SOMETHING. DON'T HIDE BEHIND SOME STUPID ALL RULES THAT ALREADY SOUND LIKE EXCUSES WHEN THEY DON'T EVEN FUCKING APPLY IN THAT SITUATION

I swear to the heavens above the way people act like it was SUCH a surprise that Luke went bad are a bunch of fucking clowns, No wonder did the guy start a war WHEN THAT WAS HIS MOTHERFUCKING SITUATION. And then GOOD GOD THE COMMENT PERCY MADE WHEN HE MET ETHAN UNDER THAT TRUCE!? WHERE HE MENTALLY CALLED KIDS OF MINOR GODS UNIMPORTANT!?

WHAT A FUCKING DICK!?

Say what you want but it takes BALLS to first be mad at them for switching sides and then pull a line like THAT.💀 Percy needs to be HUMBELED real fucking quick omfg, and Thalia too. "Luke's old friend" my ass, I'm just gonna assume she was used as the authors mouth piece here since she was handeled MUCH better in TTC. God that just made me furious, especially Percy's hypocrecy concerning minor gods. (Hopefully I understood or misheared something at that part, otherwise Percy would just be a straight up biggot.) Way to get too deep into something, please don't spoil me. Thanks.

[lady-menrva]

Not gonna lie, it’s amusing when fans these days appear so surprised about Rick writing for money first, and everything else second; in hindsight it’s been this way since PJO. I mean, we’re talking about the same man who:

• Used the Second World War as a plot point.

• Didn't bother to do basic research on Greek mythology

-resorting to modern cliches

(Demeter being an overbearing mother, Ares being a jerk, Persephone being nothing more than a “UwU soft flower queen”)

-blatantly twisting personalities in the name of ‘creative license’: (Poseidon being sanitised, Calypso being sanitised, Artemis being a predatory misandrist etc)

-misinterpretations (Hades being an ‘outcast’ among gods - I am not talking about the Greek people thought of him)

● Chose convenience over genuinely good character-writing:

Characters like Bianca, Thalia and Rachel were shelved.

Grover's role was relegated to major supporting character.

The side cast was heavily underutilized and underdeveloped.

The main characters, Percy and Annabeth received the brunt too. They could've received bona fide character arcs and development, their personalities could've been fleshed out a lot better (especially fatal flaws), and their relationships with other characters deserved more spotlight. Yet, they ended up in a tragic pitfall of YA fiction trites.

There are many more issues with PJO (including ableist and racist undertones), but I think this will suffice. Point is, quality-writing was never really Rick’s priority.

[perseas-wellyboots]

The Luke Castellan problem in PJO books and Fandom

I just finished rereading the pjo series for the dozenth time and I have so many thoughts about Luke and how the fandom woobified him.

Like no Luke did not have the right idea and executed it in the wrong way. He wasn't a misguided victim, although there is no doubt Kronos manipulated him. But him being manipulated does not absolve him of his wrongdoings. Hurt people can still hurt people, you can be abused and still become an abuser.

Most of Fandom's idea of Luke being a 'hero' because he did the right thing in the end is extremely doozy like ok he killed himself to stop Kronos but that does not absolve him the blame of killing innocent people.

While Luke's main goal was the destruction of Gods, that was not because he wanted the demigods to have better lives. He actively killed demigods.

In the Sea of Monsters, when Percy, Annabeth and Tyson snuck into Princess Andromeda; they saw 12 year olds being trained how to kill a 'dummy in camp half blood tshirts'. He was actively exploiting children and manipulating them into killing other children and saw nothing wrong with it.

He only considered deflecting from Kronos when he found out that he was going to be possessed by him.

He only worked and cared for him, he was so lost into power and revenge that HE became a monster.

"Oh but he cared for Thalia and Annabeth!!" I'll get into that later too

I think Luke's fatal flaw contrary to the opinion of fandom is The Urge to Prove Himself.

He had one conversation with Hermes which made him angry and bitter and Thalia even notes that after that conversation Luke got into more and more fights with monsters like he had something to prove which Annabeth didnt seem to see as a problem since he was her hero. They got into more skirmishes because of his recklessness, fighting more monsters since Luke wanted to pick a fight with each one he came across.

(Conversation from PJO, The Last Olympian)

His fatal flaw being to Prove Himself would explain why he took the failure of his quest so hard that the night he returned from the quest was the same night Kronos started speaking to him for the first time. It didn't help that when he returned from his failed quest, the campers treated him with pity.

He wanted to pull Olympus down stone by stone because He failed his quest that he didn't want to do because it was already done by Hercules once. 🥴

His endgame has nothing to do with wanting to help ANYBODY. He wanted to take down gods because he had a grudge against them and wanted to Prove that he could do it. Everything else comes secondary if it fits his agenda.

This is one of the reasons why it bothers me so much when people say that Luke had the right idea or that Percy would have joined Kronos if Sally had died like you fundamentally misunderstood the character of Percy if you think he would have joined Kronos.

He talks about "driving humanity back into caves, all except the strongest - who would serve him" THIS IS LITERALLY FASCISM???

(According to Merriam-Webster, Fascism is a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression)

Now onto the topic of Thalia, Annabeth and Luke

First of all, I absolutely hate that 'Thalia and Luke had a thing before she got turned into a tree bit' because Thalia was 12 and Luke was 14 when they met and Thalia was 15 and Luke was 20-21ish when they meet again in TTC ugh hate that.

Now TTC, where to begin, here I used to believe Luke had already bathed in river Styx as there are some narrations where Percy notes that Luke looked worse and like his scar was reopened and would certainly explain how he survived the cliff fall but on my rereading I realised that Thalia and Luke fought when Percy was holding the sky and Thalia injured Luke so nvm then.

It is however in this book that Luke began to realise Kronos's plan for him as it is implied by the General and he starts to fear for his life.

Mind you, what did Luke think would happen if Thalia did agree to join Kronos when he knew Kronos was looking for a host of body...

Luke is many things, he is cunning, manipulative, a great swordsman but what he is not is stupid. If Thalia would have agreed then Kronos would have used Thalia as a vessel 😬

And oh boy the can of worms that is Luke and Annabeth. I've seen many Luke fans/apologists deny that there is no canon evidence of Luke being romantically interested in Annabeth BUT THERE IS?? they refuse to believe and call Annabeth an unreliable narrator because otherwise their uwu white boy would be a Pedophile. Even if he wasn't a Pedo, he manipulated Annabeth so many times to make her sympathise with her and use her emotions against her.

(excerpts from various books: TLO, TLO, BoTL, MoA annabeth's pov)

^ Annabeth was 15 almost 16 or already 16 I believe when Luke asked her to run away with him in a romantic sense and he was 21-22.

also another evidence adding to the theory of his fatal flaw having proving himself.

Now, onto the topic of CHB and Luke:

Luke being hesitant to attack camp half blood in BotL has less to do with him suddenly growing a spine (as some fans suggest) and more to do with the inevitable possession.

When Kronos informs that he will himself lead the attack, Luke advises to use Hyperion instead because he knows for Kronos to attack it in person, he would finally possess Luke.

(first one is from TTC, the other two from BoTL)

One of the last things I wanna talk about is Silena Beauregard & Luke and Luke's portrayal in the new Percy Jackson series:

Luke was 17 when Kronos started speaking to him and 19 when he left the camp. Silena was 17-18 when she died which makes her 13-14 when Luke left the camp in TLT and 11-12 when Kronos first started talking to him. Adult Luke charmed an underage girl, and promised her that she was helping the demigods and then when she tried to stop, he started blackmailing her. [excerpts from TLO]

According to the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children UK, Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. The relationship a groomer builds can take different forms. This could be: a romantic relationship, as a mentor, an authority figure, a dominant and persistent figure. They might use blackmail to make a child feel guilt and shame or introduce the idea of 'secrets' to control, frighten and intimidate.

So canonically, Book!Luke is a fascist groomer pedophile.

Now on the new Disney+ Percy Jackson show, it seems that Rick Riordan is subtly rewriting the character of Luke and removing the more problematic aspect of him (pedophile and grooming). Let me explain why I think that:

Even though in TLT the book, Luke describes Annabeth as his little sister we know how well that lasted but I don't think they are keeping Annabeth's crush on him on the show from what I've seen (though I could be wrong).

Secondly, the casting of Dior Goodjohn as Clarisse puts Clarisse on the same age range as Luke, maybe a year or two younger but in the first book Clarisse was 13-14 and she was 17 in TLO, so they have aged her up. It is my assumption that they will also age Silena by casting a 17-19 yr old actress as her.

And they have made Luke far more sympathetic in the show than the books (him not calling a hellhound during capture the flag and no pit scorpions in the finale), but we wouldn't know how sympathetic or villainous they are making him until season 2 comes out. Charlie Bushnell gives an excellent performance imo

Though this again reflects the double standards it comes to PJO, they have given much grace and praise for the changes made to Luke's character and little to no complaint for ageing up Clarisse but the hate Walker and especially Leah are given is so cruel. Leah has been so much racially targeted though I think she's an excellent Annabeth, just something to think about.

Also, before I forget-

We don't give enough flack to Rick Riordan for writing two weird age dynamics without recognising as grooming and pedophilic nature. (Lukabeth and Caleo/Capercy)

The characters are never made to realise (especially Annabeth) that an older person having feelings for them as a minor is not a normal behaviour.

Especially in regards to Calypso who may take the form of a 15 year old but is actually more than 4612 (according to the riordan wiki) and her having a crush on 14 year old Percy and 15-16 yr old Leo Valdez, not to mention how rudely she treated Leo. Also her cursing Annabeth because Percy left her. Not only is it plain nasty but she's never called out. Its actually so disgusting🤕.

Anyways this turned into a long rant but I would love to read your opinions, especially on Luke's fatal flaw.

I know for some people it may seem like I'm too hard on him but this is just my opinion.

IMO I have no problem if you like a morally bad or gray person, an antihero or a villain as long as their bad deeds aren't swept under the rug and pretend they never happened or glorify their good deeds.

I actually think villian's bad things make them more interesting.

Luke is an antagonist and a villain of the PJO series and a part of being a villain is that some people are going to hate you and that's ok.

Me personally, I was never a fan of his and that's ok.

I know some people are going to bring up the fact that Percy in MoA sympathises but the PJO characters are complicated and Luke was very skilled at making others think of his reason to destroy the Gods the way they would sympathise the most and we see that multiple times.

[demigod-shenanigans]

Thinking about the lost trio’s mortal parents

Thinking about Esperanza and Beryl both being clear-sighted (it’s said that Beryl knew who Zeus was, both times, and Esperanza specifically talked to Leo about his powers and seemed to know who Hera was).

Thinking about Beryl, who was famous and had so much and who did everything to stay in the public eye. Who would have given it all, including sacrificing her own kids, to get Zeus’ attention back. Who only ever wanted Zeus for herself and never for her children. Who named Jason to placate Juno’s anger and ultimately gave up Jason to her. Who even in death remained bitter and blamed Thalia running away for her own choices and her death, saying she left when Beryl needed her the most, despite the fact that Thalia was nine and severely neglected and thought Beryl had killed her brother and an adult’s choices should never have been her responsibility to begin with. Beryl blamed it all on Olympus and showed no regret for her actions. Who thought she could just neglect both of her children and abandon her two year old with no consequences and that Jason would still join her. Who only cared about Jason once he was a hero and a warrior, and even then only cared for him as a tool of revenge she could use against the gods.

Thinking about Esperanza, who had nothing. Who was smart and skilled and barely scraping by despite her degree. Who would have given everything to keep her son safe. Who had a son prophecied to be a hero and tried to look the Fates in the eye and say no, because he was her son first and destined for bigger things second. Who banned Hera, the queen of the gods, from their apartment because the gods couldn’t have Leo, not yet, not when he was still so young. Who still tried to prepare Leo, with everything she had, because she knew she couldn’t keep him from his fate in the long run, but also knew there were at least tools she could give him that would help. Who, despite knowing that a god had once loved her, only wanted Hephaestus as a father for Leo, never as a partner for herself. Who only ever worried about the ways she could fail Leo, never about him failing her. Who was happiest around her son and loved him more than her own life. Who, even in death, never could have blamed Leo.

Thinking about Tristan, who is in some ways a mirror to both Beryl and Esperanza. Tristan grew up with nothing and eventually, as an adult, he suddenly had everything, except the things that really mattered to him. He couldn’t keep Aphrodite and never fell in love again after her. Tristan can’t see through the Mist, but he had his heart shattered by the mythological world anyway, even without seeing. He couldn’t save his father because at the time he didn’t have the money to pay for the treatment, he only became famous after.

His relationship with his daughter is really strained. He’s probably terrified of losing Piper like he lost his dad and Piper’s mom. Tristan works and works and works because he thinks if they just have enough he can keep Piper safe (because even if he couldn’t have kept her mom that way, enough money absolutely could have saved his dad), but that makes him unable to give Piper his attention, which is what she needs the most. Hell, he thinks he’s protecting her by keeping her away from his celebrity nonsense, and in a way he sort of is, but it’s not what Piper wants.

Thinking about Tristan seeing through the Mist in TLH and breaking. Thinking about Tristan finally seeing Piper, and her having to give up the one thing she’s wanted all this time and make him look away again because it shatters him.

Esperanza and Beryl could both see their children for who they were, one for the better, the other for the worse. Tristan can never see Piper for who she truly is. We’ve seen how it would destroy him if he did.

Thinking about Tristan losing everything until the only thing he has left to give Piper is his attention—and that’s enough. (I still wish that had been a choice on his part after realizing that’s what Piper wants and needs instead of being forced on him, but I digress.)

Tristan could have been more like Beryl. Their stories are decently similar. But even though he can never fully see Piper for who she is, and even though it took him longer than it should have, when his daughter needed him most, he turned around and learned to be more like Esperanza.

[incorrect-percabeth-quotes]

Percy: Thalia said to spread out and get close to the siblings. Best way to do that would be to dance. With who though?

Annabeth: *punches Percy in the stomach*

Percy: Ow!

Annabeth: Dance with me, stupid.

Percy: Thalia just said to split up, smart-ass. Either way I'm not dancing with someone who punches me as a way of asking me to dance!

[flower1622]

From what i saw people commenting about PJO, i made some different opinions from Rick and the fandom:

. "Percy is the most powerful"

Percy is still a mortal, he gets tired and also could be defeated by the gods (especially his father), Typhon (if I'm not mistaken), the cabins of Hypnos, Hecate, Zeus and Hades or maybe Dionysus too. Who knows? I think that any character/cabin with a good strategy could win from Percy.

. "Annabeth is the most intelligent"

Even though she is daughter of Athena, from what people commented, there are other characters that are or can be smarter than her many times.

. "Percabeth is the best ship"

I already made posts about this ship and I find the couple a little toxic sometimes with red flags. I like to watch the version from the series because they seem more mature and I love the way Percy cares about Annabeth. However, Annabeth can have some questionable actions towards Percy.

. "He could be saved"

I don't remember many things about Luke, but from what some people commented, I guess that Luke would have joined Kronos by the same way. He kinda seems arrogant and a little pyscho. Maybe if Thalia had survived when they were kids....I don't know.

. "Perachel, Pernico and many other ships with Percy (that are not Percabeth) are horrible"

I don't agree because everyone can ship Percy with any other character. If the fandom doesn't like when people outside it judge the fandom because they only ship Percabeth, the best way is to give voice to multishipper fans. Respect always! If someone doesn't like Pernico because of age, that's also okay. Others should respect your decision. But, Solangelo wouldn't be very different either from Pernico. Rachel is a good option for Percy. She seems to really care about him even though they don't know each other very well. I think the hate on her is totally desnecessary. In my opinion, there are better ships than Percabeth.

. "Jason is boring"

I don't know the character because I didn't read HOO, but from what people commented...he doesn't seem so bad. He seems a nice person that cares about others and tries to do what is right. So, I don't understand the hate on him either.

. "Leo and Calypso are toxic because of age"

I don't think an age difference would result in a couple being toxic. Again, I didn't read HOO. So, I don't know the characters, but if the problem is about age, I guess people wouldn't like Solangelo or a vampire romance.

. "Rick likes to kill blonde guys"

It's funny to see Rick using a blonde boy as the protagonist (who isn't blonde) in his series.

. "Solangelo and Percabeth had the best chemistry"

Although I like Solangelo a little better than Percabeth, I don't think the two ships had a great development. Sorry! Percy and Nico also had more chemistry with other characters than with their own partners.

. "Percabeth had the best enemies to lovers story"

Romeo and Juliet - We don't exist

Percy and Thalia - We don't exist

Percy and Clarisse - We don't exist

Percy and Jason - We don't exist

Percy and Luke - We don't exist

Percy and Nico - We don't exist

. " It's so cute when Percy tries to get well with Athena because of Annabeth"

Am I the only one that find this relationship boring between these two? I think Percy would have a more interesting relationship with other gods like Hades, Ares or even Zeus...

."Annabeth was only rude to Rachel because she was jealous"

Alright. So, if we ever feel jealous, it's okay to be rude to other people, even if they are being nice to us and we don't even know them.

Annabeth can be arrogant and for these kind of people, they like to have control over everything. When something happens that wasn't in their plans, they get mad. Rachel happened to be one of those things she couldn't control. Percy wasn't even Annabeth's boyfriend at that time and she already was possessive of him, but that would explain her stalking him. This usually happens when someone gets obsessed with something (like in Annabeth's case). There are people who love this, but in real life they wouldn't like to have someone too possessive of them or they are this kind of obsessed people. I have these two possibilites on my mind since some of them see themselves in Annabeth's questionable actions towards her partner. So, I really wouldn't like to know how they really are in a relationship because real life tends to be ten times worse than the fictional world. Coming back to Annabeth with Rachel...she even calls the girl "just a human" in front of Percy (her future boyfriend) who has a human mother that he loves very much, thanks! But, I got curious. Isn't Annabeth human too?

I know she can be a demigod, but without powers, she is not that different from a human. In the world, there are very intelligent humans like Annabeth. So, I don't get Annabeth's words. I got this part about Rachel with a post here on Tumblr by a page that showed many moments with Annabeth and Percy from the books.

. "Annabeth is the queen and everyone should obey and bow to her"

There are some people who think like this and my reaction is just...

I think Annabeth could be one...in neverland. The lost boys don't study. They obey Peter Pan because he has the knowledge. Annabeth has knowledge and intelligence. She would do well there teaching the kids. She even could take Percy with her. He would love the place. Both would stay young forever. Unfortunately, they don't exist in real life, so it would be pretty hard to visit them and bow, along with Peter, Percy and the lost boys to the new queen of neverland. Sorry! I wish many characters were real, with some exceptions of course.

. " If Percy can't trust Annabeth, he can't trust anyone else"

He needs help.

. "Annabeth is Percy's weakness"

Does he have a family? A best friend? A brother? Friends? 🤔

[my-pjo-stuff]

The way Thalia behaves and is portrayed in PJO and HOO genuinely makes me uncomfortable. Especially if you remember the way she was talked about pre-comeback and in the Diary of Luke Castellan. She's supposed to be punk, yet the only "punk" thing about her is her clothes. She willingly bows down to a hurtful system and serves a goddess openly misandrist. One minute Luke's her best friend, the next he's an abomination before god and then her best friend again. Thalia demonstrates a frankly horrifying lack of empathy for anyone not on her side. Almost dehumanizing Luke in the way she talks about him to Percy in TLO even though logically, she is the one who should understand Luke the best at that point. Her lingo of him "taking it too hard", and "everyone having their own stuff" aswell as "But Hermes loves him" are the exact same as abusers and victim blamers use to talk down damages and other issues. She gives me the vibe of some sort of indoctrinated borderline fanatic just blindly following a system actively harmful since she herself is content in it. Even if she was shoved off into irrelevancy after TTC, her entire characterization is so contradictory that it paints her as someone deeply selfish. In my opinion Thalia has given no indication of having any sort of reliable moral compass, or that she would refuse a hurtful system should she benefit from it. She's a walking, talking nuke at the gods' disposal who can be turned against anyone in her full might. Yes, even those she cares about. Should Jason rebel, and should the gods order Thalia to put him down while providing her with "solid" evidence of his "wrongdoings"- she'd mercilessly murder her own brother. I will die on this hill.

[wanderingmind867]

I haven't been too fond of some of the scenes with thalia (she seems antagonistic towards leo and coach hedge for no reason, and she just seems rude to me). I wrote this small note in school yesterday, and i stand by it. She seemed rude, and i didn't like it. So if we're picking between the grace siblings: give me jason, every time. Jason Grace is the best, and I like him a lot more than his sister. I really just...he's so much cooler to me. And on the plus side: I know we're approaching the scenes with aeolus, and my brain clearly remembers those scenes as being fun.

[justaneedle]

Don't mind me, I just feeling some unease that on AO3 a lot more anti Annabeth Chase than anti Thalia Grace...

Yeah, I get that Annabeth literally canon MC love interest (I'm not talking about how unhealthy cause of them both their relationship here), but...

I honestly think that Thalia is worse, IMHO

[britney-rosberg06]

it honestly makes me sick to my stomach not knowing how Fredrick Chase reacted to his daughter running away

His SEVEN YEAR OLD with learning disabilities and arachnophobia essentially went missing and yet never is there any discussion about a report filed or him looking for her or ANYTHING

She was a CHILD initially on her own before being taken in my two other children…out of contact for months before she got to an “safe” place and he didn’t do anything???? for months????? what the FUCK Richard