#NPD symptom holder

[sysboxes]

[Text: This alter is the NPD symptom holder.]

Like/Reblog if you save or use!

[radiostaticsmile]

On Alters and Personality Disorders

Disclaimer that I am not a researcher and this is based on my understanding of different studies and of my own personal experience being a system with personality disorders and knowing systems with personality disorders

Often I see the question can on alter have a personality disorder that other alters do not. It seems to be hotly debated without a real answer, most people just extrapolate because studies on that specifically are hard to find and combine knowledge of systems and personality disorders but be used to make an inference. I am going to be doing the same thing here, 

However one thing that I have not seen anyone mention that has greatly helped my understanding of this topic is the idea which has begun to exist relatively recently within psychology that personality disorders are really all the same thing at its core, a disorder which occurs in response to trauma, and the specific symptoms and disorder you will be diagnosed with is dependant on which survival methods worked best for the traumatizing situation that the person was in. 

For example in situations where it was dangerous and likely to get the victim hurt by their abuser to care about the abusers feelings they will likely develop a PD with low empathy like NPD or ASPD. For situations where avoiding the abuser was possible and the best method something like AVPD may occur. And those who need to be highly attuned to their abusers emotional state and weather they get hurt or not depends on how the abuser is feeling may develop BPD. This is an over simplification but you get the picture. 

Dissociative disorders are also caused by trauma. And abuse is complicated, so different survival strategies may work at different times, and using a method that works sometimes will actively get you abused more at other times. For singlets this can cause more than one personality disorder with symptoms that mix and overlap. For dissociative systems, this can mean different alters present different symptoms. Alters will often form because the system needs different survival strategies in different situations, and different alters will fill those roles. So it makes sense some alters will have symptoms of a personality disorder that another alter does not have. One alter may fit enough criteria for a diagnoses of a specific personality disorder while others may be missing key aspects of the disorder, so in tis way I do think it is possible. You can say they are just symptom holders and the whole system has it, or you can say just they have it, its really just arguing semantics at that point, since it is fairly clear within the community that many systems have alters who meet diagnostic criteria while other alters in the same system do not.

I do think it is possible for an alter to have a specific personality disorder that is not system wide, because specific personality disorders are not really separate from each other, but rather which symptoms do you present, and different alters present different symptoms. However, I also think that if any alter has a personality disorder, everyone in the system would most likely have a personality disorder of some kind (unless they have a highly specialized role or are a fragment that would prevent this, but the system as a whole would still be personality disordered). This is because the trauma changing the brain that created the personality disorders affects the whole system. It can affect different alters differently, and some specific symptom sets may be contained to only a few alters, but being personality disordered in general would affect everyone, or at least that is what I have come to believe based on my experience and research. 

It also seems like just based on what I have seen that alters will frequently gravitate around a few presentations/specific disorders that show up in several alters, like a system of six may have 5 with BPD, and 3 of those also have NPD (meaning 2 with both), more likely than every alter having an extremely different disorder presentation from each other, and then varying symptoms between alters within those subsets of symptoms. This however is not based on any research and is just personal experience since this topic really hasn't been studied enough.

This is not meant to invalidate or dictact any one else's experience or beliefs around the topic but I haven't seen anyone discuss the theory that personality disorders are a single disorder with highly varied presentation and I wanted to add that idea to the conversation.

[antiendovents]

I've been following you for a bit and noticed how you said your system has NPD (at least I hope, our memories can get mixed up and such)

I want to know a little more about the disorder if that's okay. Mostly, how it appears for systems.

If that's okay, that would be nice. My system has recently been trying to find ourselves out a little more now that we are getting help, and we think we show signs of it. -Citrus

yes, we do have NPD ^_^ don't worry you didn't get it wrong

So for us our alters sort of display the different kinds of NPD, I guess. We're all affected by it at different levels, most of us are covert Narcissists but some of us are overt (mainly the symptom holders)

we have different levels of empathy and different ways of expressing the symptoms, so it was a little hard to figure out that we had NPD, but after looking at the criteria we found most of us do have them just presented differently ((I feel like I've said that tons of times now))

For example, our alter, Achilles, is a symptom holder. He's very overt with his NPD, isn't afraid to state he thinks he's the best, often gets extremely defensive if people criticise him, ect. But our host, zim, is very covert, rarely ever speaks up or says he's superior even when he sort of(?) thinks so, he reacts badly when criticised but instead of having an argument with them like Achilles would, he just withdraws himself.

I don't know if any of this is helpful, but I hope you at least found some answer to your question ^_^

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

npd holder + system culture is making the bodys abusive mom cry for the most stupidest reasons and feeling superior about it. She literally doesn't understand what she did wrong our entire life, so she doesn't deserve to know why I ignore/avoid her, I feel so cool for protecting the system (yet she being sad around me is unconfortable asf does she thinks i gonna say sorry??? i did nothing wrong so L!!!)

.

[literallyagod]

totally random i came across your blog. my system also has an alter called achilles with npd/symptom holder. small world. anyway keep ruling it, god ✌

Damn! It is a small world lol!

Achilles NPD holders rise up /j

But yeah, thank you! :D you keep ruling it too ^_^

[reefsuserboxes]

npd userbox!!!

not a request

please credit if you use!! reblogs are really appreciated

[system-term-archive]

[PT: NPD Holder Flag!

Flag made by us, colors taken from the NPD flag

For alters that hold symptoms of the body’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder End PT.]

NPD Holder Flag!

Flag made by us, colors taken from the NPD flag

ׂ╰┈➤ For alters that hold symptoms of the body’s Narcissistic Personality Disorder

Please reblog & credit if used !! :]

[system-role-flags]

🌈NPD Symptom Holder Flag🍭

Flag for alters who hold symptoms of NPD

🍬 Two flags 🍬

Incase the first is overwhelming, we made a

second with less colors ^_^

**ENDOS DNI**

[disabled-sysboxes]

[TEXT ID: this host of this system is a HPD and NPD symptom holder]

[IMG ID: a light, desaturated pink rectangular box with a black outline and the HPD flag - a flag with 4 stripes, being yellow, white, black, and pink - and the NPD flag - a flag with 6 stripes, being black, dark brown, orange, yellow, white, and light purple - split down the middle to the left, and the text 'the host of this system is a HPD and NPD symptom holder' to the right.]

–

Like & Reblog if you use!

(Reblogs can be private)

[abyss-boxes]

[TEXT ID: “This alter is both a Crashguard and Splitguard. Flags by disrealities”]

I swear i posted this box before… but I guess I didn’t! Absolutely love all of @disrealities stuff and flags <3

Please do not remove the credit to disrealities from the userbox. The terms splitguard and crashguard are exclusive to ppl w/ bpd and npd respectively !!!!

REBLOGS OVER LIKES

Credit (to us) appreciated but not required !!

[systiveboxes]

Cluster b - 1 / symptom holder - 1

Flag by @disrealities

[antiendovents]

You guys are cool! /srs, g, pos (want you guys to have more positivity since learning about what's going on)

-🍁👑 (fellow npd symptom holder)

thank you!!!!

[headmate-ideas]

persecutor based off of fire. specifically a bpd and npd holder as well, and his fire gets larger the angrier he gets.

he/him too :)

🔥 HEADMATE TEMPLATE 🕯️

✦ Name(s): Abrimax, Abe, Joe ✦ Pronouns: he/him, it/its, x/xs/xself ✦ Species: demon ✦ Age: ageless adult ✦ Role(s): anger holder, BPD holder, NPD holder, persecutor ✦ Labels: bisexual, agender ✦ Xenos: fire, knives, storms ✦ Interests/likes: demonology, candles, horror movies ✦ Dislikes: being ignored ✦ Music taste: doom metal, darksynth, classic rock ✦ Aesthetic(s): devilcore, art deco, expressionism ✦ Kins: Rottweilers, great white sharks, rats ✦ Emoji proxy: 🔥🕯️ ✦ Details:

Abrimax is a fire demon who has a light fire burning around him at all times. The fire burns at a low level most of the time, but it grows as he gets angrier, sometimes becoming quite intense. He has BPD and NPD and is particularly susceptible to mood swings, chronic emptiness, low empathy, and intolerance for boredom. Abrimax is also a persecutor whose main dysfunctional behavior is getting the system into conflicts, arguments, or anything that would bring negative attention to themselves. He also causes conflicts between members of his own system.

[These can be edited and changed as needed, and headmates will almost definitely not turn out EXACTLY as described.]

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

npd holder alter culture is some useless prick saying some vile shit to ur host, and when they go dormant you want to do nothing more than tear into the person who hurt someone in YOUR body.

theyre fucking lucky im not cutting them off for her. waste of air

.

[literallyagod]

It's soooo annoying when people cry in front of me. I know they want comfort, usually, but I can't give it to them. And while sometimes me, or my headmates, feel a bit guilty, I also just don't care. I warned them I have no / low empathy, I had told them I cannot comfort them and so they should not expect it from me, even when I'm their friend. My headmates may be able to put up a mask of empathy, but I cannot, and I don't care if that upsets people or not.

[transmasculine]

“this alter is a bpd symptom holder” “this alter is an npd symptom holder”