#Intergenerational Relations

[omegaphilosophia]

Intergenerational Dynamics

The relationship between the young and the old is a complex, multifaceted dynamic that evolves within societal, cultural, and familial contexts. It involves both tension and harmony, rooted in differences in experiences, perspectives, and roles. The relationship can be understood through various philosophical, sociological, and psychological lenses, emphasizing intergenerational exchange, wisdom and vitality, and the ways in which each generation contributes to the other’s growth.

Key Aspects of the Relationship Between the Young and the Old

Wisdom vs. Vitality:

Older generations are often seen as the bearers of wisdom, experience, and tradition. They pass down knowledge and life lessons to the younger generation, offering guidance and a sense of continuity with the past.

Younger generations, on the other hand, bring vitality, new energy, and fresh perspectives. They tend to challenge established norms, innovate, and drive societal progress. This interaction between the wisdom of the old and the creativity of the young fosters growth on both sides.

Transmission of Culture and Tradition:

The relationship between the young and the old is crucial for the preservation of culture, values, and traditions. Elders act as custodians of cultural heritage, ensuring that historical knowledge, customs, and moral values are passed down to the next generation.

At the same time, the younger generation may question, reinterpret, or reform these traditions, leading to cultural evolution. This dynamic can result in tension, particularly when younger individuals seek to break away from traditional values, but it also drives social transformation.

Mentorship and Guidance:

The old often serve as mentors to the young, offering support, wisdom, and advice during critical periods of life such as adolescence, career building, or parenthood. This mentorship is essential for the personal development of the young.

Through these relationships, older individuals often find purpose and fulfillment, contributing to the growth of younger individuals while staying engaged with new ideas and changes in society.

Generational Conflict and Reconciliation:

Historically, there is often tension between younger and older generations due to differences in values, priorities, and worldviews. Older generations may cling to stability and tradition, while younger generations may advocate for change and progress.

This generational conflict can be seen in various contexts, from the family unit to broader social movements. However, the reconciliation of these differences can lead to mutual understanding and the blending of innovation with tradition.

Dependence and Role Reversal:

In early life, younger generations are often dependent on older ones for nurturing, education, and care. This dependence shifts over time as young people grow into adulthood and older individuals age, sometimes requiring care from the younger generation.

This role reversal in caregiving, particularly in familial settings, can reshape the relationship between young and old, emphasizing the cyclical nature of life and interdependence.

Intergenerational Learning:

The exchange between the young and the old involves reciprocal learning. While the older generation imparts traditional knowledge and wisdom, the younger generation can introduce new ideas, technologies, and ways of thinking.

This mutual learning can foster innovation and adaptation, as the older generation benefits from the creativity and adaptability of youth, while the younger generation learns from the accumulated knowledge and experience of elders.

Perception of Time and Mortality:

Older individuals often have a more reflective relationship with time and mortality, contemplating the legacy they will leave behind and the passage of life. This can lead to a desire to impart wisdom and ensure that their experiences contribute to the future.

Younger individuals tend to have a more forward-looking, ambitious perspective, with a focus on the future and a sense of invincibility. The awareness of mortality tends to develop more deeply over time, and the relationship with older generations can bring this reality into focus for younger people.

Social Change and Continuity:

Generational relationships are essential to the process of social change. While older generations provide continuity, holding onto the lessons and experiences of the past, younger generations are often the drivers of innovation and change.

The interplay between preserving traditions and introducing new ways of thinking is crucial for the healthy development of societies. The challenge is in finding a balance that honors the wisdom of the past while embracing the potential of the future.

The relationship between the young and the old is a dynamic interplay of wisdom, energy, tradition, and change. It is marked by mutual dependence, with each generation playing a crucial role in shaping the other’s development. While generational conflict can arise due to differences in worldview, this tension is also a source of growth, allowing society to progress while remaining rooted in historical knowledge and cultural continuity.

[sentientsky]

alice wu-gulliver u will always be famous

[poppy5991]

Horikoshi: writing a series that explores the impacts of trauma and PTSD on the individual, family, and society with incredible accuracy and poignancy in conjunction with a beautiful meditation on the complexity of morality & the need for empathy to solve society’s ills

People on the internet: this character is irredeemable

Me:

[sunshinestate323]

The great intergenerational theft is a venal fact of modern reality that a lot of people are painfully aware of, or at least vaguely sense, but this guy, Scott Galloway, is the only person I know of (whose name is not Bernie Sanders) with the the stones to say it out loud in public.

I think he could hit a little harder on the corporate kleptocracy (and their Central Casting reality show frontman) that engineered said intergenerational theft, with the Boomers being the happy beneficiaries of same. But still, this is the mic drop of the century afaic.

[rotzaprachim]

Much observed but also highly entertaining the extent that fundies are worse at every discernible “home making” skill than many a group that they claim to be part of the Them group keeping women from their true roll as home makers

[tmae3114]

the number of fictional dynamics which have intense Cool Adult Cousin energy which I see referred to as parent-child dynamics has led me to conclude that an awful lot of people did not have the childhood experience of a Cool Adult Cousin and I think that's a shame

[reanimatedgh0ul]

it's crucial for me that in my dp/ppg crossover that the professor is NOT a father figure or even a mentor to danny he's just an adult that ultimately grows rlly attached to this kid that randomly waltzed into his life and just wants to look out for him

[wwwyzzerdd420]

One of my less popular opinions is that mental illness is more widespread than we think and it's probably responsible for some of the worse bigotry people have

[cousinthrockmorton]

my sister and I are gonna be the same ages that sam and dean were in the first season which is sooooo fucking insane

[jaywhangmakes]

Generation(s) M - mashup of Disney's The Little Mermaid (1989) and its direct-to-video sequel The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea

As a side project, I am working on a mashup between Disney's The Little Mermaid (1989) and its direct-to-video sequel The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea. In this mashup, I will be exploring the theme of intergenerational conflict and how the present rhymes the past. Since last month, I thought about making this edit. It has been going on inside my mind. Even though James Phyrillas of the Schaffrillas Productions did the similar thing with Disney's Beauty and the Beast and its direct-to-video interquels and turn their remix into what he calls "the Extended Cut of Beauty and the Beast." For me, I want to explore the theme (people living with sins and traumas of their previous generations) and styles (retro callback to older media - such as analog horrors) that's common in works that people of my generation are resonating with (see A24 stuffs - Hereditary, Everything Everywhere All At Once, Krisha, The VVitch, etc.).

If anyone from Disney came across this post and send me C&D letter (I mean, I have no plan to share this on public for obvious reasons), I'd do it. Sadly.

[magicmagica]

Sometimes I start to feel so disconnected and lonely and isolated and like such a burden on all my friends but then I hang out with people my own age and realise it was just the age diff sillies

[honeybadger-who-gives-a-shit]

Not enough people are talking about Mr. Loverman on bbc. This show has:

Two elderly black men in love

Tale about internalized homophobia

Caribbean culture in England and in Antigua

Family dynamics and intergenerational relations

Great acting

A touching story

Is based on a book (I haven't read it yet, but I heard great things)

I won't tell you more because I don't want to spoil it.

Granted, it's not a perfect show, but it is sweet and you should definitely give it a try.

[bivht]

Astrology Observations

tw: ED

A lot of people in my life with chiron-saturn hard aspects have one parent emotionally (or physically) absent and the other emotionally manipulative. Also common is intergenerational trauma/childhood trauma. This individual has difficulties relying on people for support. It sucks bc it’s quite a common aspect. I’d estimate roughly 25% of my class has this

Chiron-saturn hard aspects also make me think of someone with a wounded sense of restriction and discipline. In extreme cases it can lead to mental health conditions like eating disorders I.e. Karen carpenter with Saturn square Chiron. Eugenia cooney with Saturn opposite Chiron. Tbh this is more of an assumption, both individuals have mars square Saturn which could also be a factor

mars square Saturn is where the ability to feel motivated, take action, and progress is restricted by Saturn. And the square aspect makes it sooo difficult to overcome, it’s locked in place like a safe. Their sense of discipline is also kinda f’ed up. Potential to be self-punishers.

pisces moon with hard aspects to pluto can have emotionally manipulative mother in which the child believes their mother is their best friend but it’s really just an unstable relationship with lack of any emotional boundaries :/

moon-pluto/moon-saturn hard aspects is having at least one traumatic event relating to their mother by age 16

Venus-Chiron/chiron in the 7h can have a fear of people leaving them for someone better

Melpomene (18) conjunct pluto is so frickin’ powerful when they delve into tragic art such as sad songs/dance/writing. Melpomene is the muse of tragedy. Even if it’s a really happy or cute person, they’ll catch you off guard with their suitability in tragic roles

This is obvious but fatme (866) can have weight struggles

pisces moon is asking your mum for privacy and she says “I’m your MOTHER, I’ve seen you naked since you were a baby!”

virgo mercury is the definition of “oh no… anyway”

[whenmemorydies]

See this?

Carmy is about to pull this shit. He is really about to go in and likely blow up one of the only good relationships he has left from The Beef. After yelling at Tina from the pass. After stressing out everyone and their fucking dog cos he thinks this is acceptable behaviour if its all in service of a star?

This part of 3x03 Doors was such a jagged scene for me because of a few things (including what I've said above). What else got me:

Tina is someone Carmy knows, that Carmy loves (go back to their scene in 1x08 Braciole talking about Mikey. Go back to Carmy's soft "hey Tina you go ahead, you take the night off okay? I got you.");

Tina is an older woman of colour who has made the commitment to skill up so that she can work at The Bear after working at The Beef. Carmy has seen the work she has put in but in this moment, he pays none of it any mind. Imagine being T. Imagine how that would feel. Imagine how it would feel knowing all we know after watching Tina's journey in 3x06 Napkins. The thing is, Carmy doesn't need to know all of T's backstory to know his behaviour is unacceptable. The fact that he knows some of it and proceeds to act in this way is just more evidence of his white privilege showing its ass.

Carmy does not have the self reflexivity here to look at his young, white, male self yelling at this older WOC and see how fucked this is: how he's become another white guy in a litany of white men barking at workers of colour, not seeing Tina for the whole human she is but reducing her to a means of production. The racial dynamics on this show are so evident but don't get talked about nearly enough. I know the writers have crafted those dynamics on purpose because as beautiful a character as Carmy is, he's also a product of his environment as a white chef trained in a highly racially segregated field. This has repercussions for his relationships in season 3, particularly with the BIPOC characters in his life. @november-rising speaks about Carmy's behaviour in relation to Black women's experiences of love and professional recognition devastatingly here. Read their post and the reblogs.

While this shit made me so mad this season, it was also in character - as I've said here - for a white guy trained in fine dining to revert to established patterns of behaviour. Though, I'm gonna need the writers of the show to show US that they did this on purpose and have Carmy ATONE for this shit in season 4. Otherwise, what kind of redemption arc will this man have? This shit is hurtful to the BIPOC characters and BIPOC viewers of this show in no small part because white men the world over have a LONG history of using BIPOC people as a means of production and as a means of production alone. If you're unsure about this, please go look up the Transatlantic slave trade. Please go look up the history of colonial indentured labour. Please go look up The British East India Company. Please look up the forced labour regime in the modern prison industrial complex. Please go read a fucking book. And no I'm not saying Carmy is responsible for the slave trade (LMAO please hold fire if this is where your mind is going). I'm saying BIPOC folks carry with us a long ass history, an intergenerational history of this shit. But guess who else does too? White folks. So don't act like they dont.

This shit is also hurtful because we know how respectful Carmy can be. We’ve seen him in seasons 1 & 2. We know he knows what being a practical ally looks like (even if he may not have the language to name what he was doing) when he made sure to bring the staff of The Beef with him to The Bear and invested in them accordingly. We know he loves and respects them, none more so than Sydney. But there were so many times where he did not act like it in season 3. And when folks have got histories - not just personal but cultural too - as long and as loaded as we ALL do, actions account for a lot. What you do is the shorthand for who you are in the world, whether you like it or not.

Ok back to the scene.

Who comes in and simultaneously saves Carmy's ass and ANOTHER of his relationships? Who protects Tina and keeps the kitchen from exploding AGAIN?

Who supervises her sous chef like a fucking pro?

Sydney. Sydney. Sydney.

And who knows that he's in the presence of greatness but doesn't know how to articulate it cos he's not integrated, not by a fucking long shot. Who needs to attend some anti-racism training along with Al-Anon and therapy (so he can get the benefit of understanding his role in this system and get a better understanding of his own mind)?

Yeah you Carmen, you.

Better get on that shit before you lose the woman who is the beat to your whole heart another means of production to a chef who's going to pay her better, give Syd insurance from the jump and total creative control. Just saying.

[sylvies-chen]

I need to explain why forgetting carl had such a deep impact on rick because there’s this whole other level to it ok bear with me here:

there’s this term used in many different academic fields— anthropology, psychology, history, migration and decolonization, ethics— called memory work. it’s basically the process of remembering the experience of history and the studying of social memory. it’s largely used in relation to migrants who don’t have homes, steady routines, or consistent grounding details to help their memory, so the one space they don’t have to flee from or that hasn’t become “colonized” is their minds. memory is a way of preserving not just personal memory, but social and cultural history.

so the fact that rick can’t remember carl is HUGE. when the dreams stop, that is a big deal. because so much of what they went through as father and son happened when they were effectively displaced from their home by the circumstances of the world. their constant process of migration in the original show probably affected social memory and people’s capacity to remember in really massive ways. plus, rick’s love for carl especially is thematically embedded with ideas of legacy, memory, and the intergenerational transmission of knowledge as motivation for creating a better world. he wanted to make a new world for his son! their relationship was symbolic of the construction of a new civilization and cultural identity. that’s part of why rick grimes was so revered and admired, because his memory work helped forge a new identity and home that everyone could ground themselves in.

but then rick gets to the CRM, where there is a consistent routine, confinement to a specific place, a value on sameness and cohesion from obedience, and an isolation from these sort of “cultural” objects or artefacts that might help jog his memory of carl (familiar places like ASZ, carl’s handprints on the porch, judith’s drawings of their family, carl’s letter to rick, etc.). this means that the CRM effectively tried to destroy rick’s capacity for memory for 8 years.

he performed memory work to resist, by getting the faces of his loved ones drawn onto phone screens, writing letters to michonne and judith, keeping any possessions from ASZ that he could. but the chaotic outside world he travelled through under extreme, stressful circumstances becomes harder to carry with him when he’s being presented with an environment so sturdy and consistent that denies him contact with anything to preserve his memory of history.

so effectively, the CRM and the way their city is set up uses tactics one would see in brainwashing and the formation of cults or colonial projects. the CRM relies on separation of families and the destruction of memory to succeed.

this isn’t just rick being worn down and losing his spine. it’s deeper than that. it is the erasure of his social and cultural memory of the apocalypse and of alexandria. and carl grimes was the first price that had to be paid.

[butchpeace]

Hey, I am a new follower here and uhhh.. I just want to ask you how did you manage to get rid of your gender dysphoria?

I never did transition and probably never will be able to because it is illegal in the country I currently live in. But the gender dysphoria remained there for years (8) even if I accept the fact that I will never be able to change my sex, along with my homosexuality.

So maybe it is a difference in experience, with me not being able to experience the harmful placebo of the "right body", but seeing other people expressing how they got themselves cured of severe mental distress makes me wish I knew how to do that.

So, thats why I want to ask, what lead to the cure of gender dysphoria? If it is a correct way to put it.

I don’t know if you’re male or female, but I assume female?

It’s less about “getting rid” of dysphoria and more about understanding what “gender dysphoria” actually is. That differs from person to person, but for most people it’s a combination of things.

For me it was:

1) The pain of growing up female in a world that either treated me as inferior or objectified me. Plain old misogyny.

2) The pain of growing up gay in a homophobic religion and society. Being basically taught during childhood that I was fundamentally different and wrong did a number on my ability to love myself. I’m 33 and it wasn’t until recently that I had any kind of self love.

3) The confusion of growing up gender non-conforming. Not feeling like I could relate to my female peers, feeling like an outsider, never meeting people like me or having any role models who I could see myself in. I didn’t have any kind of blueprint for what my life could be like as an adult - my only reference points for what life as a masculine lesbian would be were negative.

4) The constant anxiety of walking through the world as a gender non-conforming girl, and the way people treated me and acted around me. People don’t treat you well when you’re androgynous or clearly gay, and that led to anxiety and disliking being around people.

5) Feeling like I would be more lovable as a man, as it relates to relationship dynamics and gender roles. I had a feeling that I “made more sense” as a man.

Once I separated the feelings I was having from the idea of “gender dysphoria” as a stand-alone condition, I was able to see them individually for what they really are.

Those feelings were a normal response to being who I was in the world that I lived in.

Is my “gender dysphoria” cured? Depends how you look at it. Being female is still hard. Being a masculine lesbian is still hard. The way people look at me and treat me is still anxiety inducing. But none of that means I’m “supposed” to be a man, for some mystical reason that no one can scientifically explain. And I can work on improving things like my anxiety and self esteem individually.

To put it simply, being “trans” is the same thing as being butch. It’s all the same feelings women have always had, they’re just medicalizing it now instead of helping us learn to love ourselves. The only way to fix it is to build community, especially intergenerational community, and be with each other and be role models for each other.

Hope that helps! 🌈