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shyjusticewarrior · 1 year ago

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Reverse Robin/Mismatched Mantles AU

Damian is the first batkid born, but not the first to join the fam due to still being kept secret and trained in the League of Assassins.

The first to join is...

Tim Drake - Red Hood:

After a young Tim's parents are killed by a gang of career criminals called the Red Hoods, he swears to bring them to justice. He concludes his best chance to do that would be by personally enlisting the help of the Batman.

In his investigation of Batman, Tim figures out his secret identity. He confronts him in the hopes of impressing, or blackmailing, him into working with him. Bruce sees his own pain at losing his parents in Tim and agrees to work together. They take down the gang, Tim adopts the mantle Red Hood and Bruce adopts Tim.

Damian Wayne - Nightwing:

A couple years later, Damian is revealed and left in Bruce's care. At first, he isn't allowed on patrol yet as Bruce doesn't think he's ready to be the hero Gotham needs.

Damian eventually sneaks away to do a mission with budding friend Jon Kent and proves himself. During the mission Jon tells him a Kryptonian legend that would inspire his mantle: Nightwing.

Jason Todd - Red Robin:

After Catherine, the women who raised him, overdoses the gov tracks down his birth mother Sheila and she accepts custody of him. Immediately the Joker, a Red Hoods member who fell into a vat of ace chemicals, wrecks havoc on their lives.

Joker blackmails Sheila into making Jason sabotage the batfam. Jason is told Sheila will be killed if he doesn't go along with it, so he does to protect her. He steals the tires off the batmoile to get their attention, and uses the story of his hardships to gain their sympathy.

He feels bad taking advantage of people who show him such kindness. He confesses the plot to Red Hood and agrees to be a double agent if they help get Sheila out of Jokers' clutches.

Joker finds out and tricks Jason into putting himself in danger to save his mother, who is in on it. The batfam doesn't make it in time and Joker throws Jason off the roof of a warehouse. The last thing he hears is Joker remarking how he looks like a robin in the air. Joker betrays and kills Sheila as well.

Tim feels especially guilty about Jason's death at the hands of Joker. So much so that he gets Damian to tell him how to access the Lazarus pit and uses it to bring Jason back to life. Jason decides to become a vigilante called Red Robin. The name is a reference to Jokers' comment, an homage to Tim, and because red robins symbolize rebirth.

Dick Grayson - Robin:

Dick is a part of a family of acrobats, the Flying Graysons, that almost meet their end by Tony Zuko but are saved by Red Robin. While they're okay, they worry it's too dangerous to let Dick keep performing with them.

They don't have any other family, so they allow Dick to be a ward of Bruce Wayne while they're on the road. Dick's parents are killed at a Haley's Circus show in Bludhaven by a jealous performer, Gaggsworth A. Gaggsworthy (aka Gaggy.)

Dick decides to become a vigilante called Robin to help protect others. He's too young to be out there on his own, so he's a sidekick to Damian, who is protecting Gotham as Batman while Bruce is missing and Tim and Jason are on a mission to find him.

If this gains enough traction I might make a part two.

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disillusioneddanny · 9 months ago

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Red Hood Tim Ask

@thegayonthemoon

hello! i'm so sorry, tumblr ate your ask :((( I saw it in my email but didn't se it in my ask box.

To answer your question, it's turning into a very long fic lol. I also got two different asks about my red hood tim fic so I'm going to share the backstory details in this one and in the other one I'll share some of my favorite parts I have planned :3

Basically it's a reverse Robin's au where Damian is the eldest and he becomes Shadow. but Tim? Tim becomes Robin.

TW for torture, Joker Jr. and Tim's inevitable death.

This fic is also all @castrian-amore's fault because he has an amazing Red Hood Tim cosplay and I got inspired. i may have sent them the tim drake art first but still shhhh

At twelve years old he's running the streets taking pictures of his favorite duo, Batman and Shadow when he gets snatched up by Joker who in a bid to get Harley Quinn to take him back, tortures him for two months in an attempt to turn him into Joker Junior.

He kidnaps Harley and shows him his newest creation and she's horrified. But she has no clue how she can save this poor kid from the maniac. So she plots a way to save Tim and agrees to stay with Joker.

While they're together, Harley tries to help Tim as much as she can and she tells him stories to distract him from everything that's happening. She tells him about the little bird, Robin and how it's associated with life changing experiences and that it teaches you that even in the harshest of winters, the light of spring will appear.

Finally, Harley gets Tim out of the Joker's clutches and to Batman who takes on look at Tim and is like adoption bait. He learns that the Drakes didn't even know that their son was missing for two months and gets custody of Tim. But the problem is that it's not the only reason Bruce wants Tim. Bruce wants him because Tim managed to endure two months of torture with Joker and knows Bruce's secret identity and never once gave it away, not only that but he's concerned that Tim still might turn into Joker Jr and it's better if he just keeps Tim with him so he can keep an eye on him.

He encourages Tim to become a vigilante in an effort to make sure that the kid doesn't become a villain. Not that Tim really plans to? He's getting to live with his hero and be a vigilante and that's all that matters to him. So he takes on the name Robin as a symbol of his own rebirth after everything that has happened to him. And Batman raises him to be a soldier because that's the only way Bruce can convince himself that Tim won't become Joker Junior.

Anyway, years go by and it's miserable for Tim because he's taught to be a soldier and Bruce continually treats him like he's a threat. And he makes friends with this little kid in Crime Alley named Jason who thinks Robin is a hero.

Then the fight with Darkseid happens and Bruce is thrown into the timestream and Tim is desperate to save him. Because Bruce is all Tim knows and he doesn't know what to do without getting orders because that's all he's used to and Damian treats him like total shit.

So Tim goes on his Brucequest and dies against the Widower. Ra's sends back the information that Tim found about Bruce along with his Robin suit and tells Damian that he's dead. Only, Ra's has brought Tim back to life and has decided to make the kid his own personal soldier.

This is all the backstory for the story.

The fic itself takes place with Jason as Robin and wanting to know more about the Robin who used to come visit him in Crime Alley and bought him chili dogs. Especially because the plaque hanging in front of Tim's Robin suit doesn't say "a good soldier." no you see, it says "a precious son" something that Tim never saw himself as because Bruce never treated him that way.

Jason eventually meets the new Gotham crime lord named Red Hood who is a little too angry at Batman and Nightwing (Damian)

#dis asks #reverse robins #red hood tim drake #dis dreams #dis answers #dis writes

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nonaonann · 2 years ago

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THE ROBINS AND THE MANY SYMBOLISMS

So, I was looking into robin symbolisms and stuff for a fic, and just, wow. The way it applies to the Robins, coincidentally or not is just, so cool to me. Like, very cool.

When the individual Robins are mentioned in relation to symbolism, they'll be colored upon first mention. Dick - Jason - Carrie - Tim - Steph - Damian - I know it's a little weird having Jason be Orange, but that man is a ginger in denial with a lot of black box dye. Plus, he would be Blood Orange, but colors are limited, and Tim would be green?, but that's Damian's so he's red for Red Robin. And then Carrie's pink cuz it's the left over and though she's a ginger, Jason takes claim of the color since he's her predecessor.

For Starters:

CONNECTIONS TO NORSE MYTH: Robins are said to be sacred to Thor because of his fondness of the color red or because of its ability to foretell the weather. (Some say Odin instead of Thor but I saw Thor more frequently.) And as such, they represent bad weather and storms.

□This fits perfectly with Gotham, a city often dreary and worn by harsh weather, also a place where the Robins most frequently fly.□

CONNECTIONS TO CELTIC SYMBOLISM: The rebreasted birds, if killed, are said to entail injury to its murderer or damage to their property by fire.

□This tidbit of information made me think of Jason's Robin. In a way, you can think of it as Jason killing Dick's Robin, resulting in injury to his person via fire. What I mean by the death of Dick's Robin is that, even when fired by Batman, he still stays under the name Robin. It's only when Jason takes up the name, that it's fully solidified that Dick can no longer be Robin, that he has to change and experience "rebirth" and therefore transitioning into Nightwing.

And then, when Jason is revived, he blames many for his death and goes about exacting revenge and injury for the death of his Robin.□

SYMBOLISM IN CHRISTIANITY: There are a few tales of how the robin receives its red breast here.

Upon seeing Jesus on the cross, bleeding and injured, the bird flies around, seeking a way to help. It finds a way to pull one of the thorns from Jesus's crown, but in doing so, pricks its breast and or a drop of Jesus's blood colors it instead.

□The Robins are selfless and or seek so desperately to help. They seek to help, succeeding in doing so in most cases while also bringing harm to themselves (also in most cases). This is seen primarily with the first three Robins.

Anyway, with Dick's Robin , although he started out for revenge against Tony Zucco, he later shifts his focus to truly aiding the people of Gotham as a vigilante. He of course experiences injuries and different types of pains while doing so.

Then, with Jason's Robin , he always wanted to help. He grew up with and around people hurt, being hurt, or hurting others. When he's Robin, he has a way to put a stop to that, though the name is what leads to his death, or the pricking of the thorn.

Now, Tim's Robin is where this symbolism can be most applied perhaps. He becomes Robin after seeing Batman and Gotham suffer. He becomes Robin to help Batman, grieving Jason, and to give the city hope in the way Robin does. Despite all the help that he gives, of course he also experiences injuries and eventually, the almost death at the hands of Jason freshly revived. □

A similar story as the one prior, the bird attempts and fails to pry the nails pinning Jesus to the cross, gaining a breast covered in the blood of the one it was trying to aid.

□Okay, so again, this can be pretty much applied to all the Robins in a way as they all seek to help, but sometimes are unable. Mainly, I think of Carrie Kelly's Robin here. She differs from the others in a way. She is first saved by Batman in Earth-31 and then she dresses as Robin to help him in return. If Carrie is the robin, trying to help "the savior" Jesus Christ in his sacrifice, then in a way, to her, Batman is this savior who she seeks to aid in his sacrificial crusade.□

Another story takes place during Jesus's birth. In the stable, the fire warming both Mary and the newborn Jesus begins to die. A robin, either being called or noticing itself, fans the embers of the fire until it is strong a bright. However, in the process, the robin's breast is burned, and for its good deed, Mary blesses the bird, giving it its red chest.

□Now, this, how could I not think of Dick's Robin. Not only is his mother named Mary, but just, ahh! Mary feels blessed by her child, and in return, blesses him with the name that he uses to create a legacy, a mantle.

If we bend canon somewhat with its vague detailing, Dick's birth, and later involvement in the Flying Graysons act, feeds the flames of the circus. It helps revive not only interest in the circus, or rather creates more interest, but he also does the same for his family's act. People are blown away by this small boy, preforming with the greats in what seems to be flight.□

ROBINS, SPRING, AND WISHES: You can wish on a Robin if seen at the start of spring, but if he flies away before you can, misfortune is said to fall upon you.

□So, this can represent Dick and Jason's relationship. The spring here is metaphorical and instead refers to the start of Dick and Jason's relationship. Here, Dick does not wish to be a brother to Jason, he does not wish for a good relationship, bitter and angered that the name he created was taken and given away without his permission and knowing. It's later that Dick wishes to be a brother to Jason and have a good relationship, but he's too late. Jason's Robin had already flew away and misfortune has befallen both of them. Jason dies and Dick is off world for both his death and funeral.□

ROBINS AND DEATH: Across many cultures and in many different folklore, robins are considered an omen of death. A specific mention of the two is that, if a robin taps on your window, it is a sign of death in the family.

□I know you did not read the last line and not think of Jason's Robin. The window may not be a window here, but rather Jason tapping the hubcaps or tires of the Batmobile, signifying his own eventually death as it's start of his origin, the start of him being welcomed into the Manor, the Batfamily.

Furthermore, this also definitely applies to all the Robins, though maybe not Carrie Kelly. (I'm not familiar enough with her to know if she dies during her run as Robin)

Them taking on the mantle of Robin is the tapping of a window and their eventually death, fake or not, and reserections in the Batfamily. Think of Dick and Crime Syndicate, Jason and the Joker, Tim and the killer drones, Steph and Black Mask, Damian and his clone.

Another spin is that as Robin, them tapping on the Manor or Batmobile's windows, is an omen for other deaths in the family, such as Bruce or Alfred's. □

ROBINS AND FAMILY: Robins can either depict good or bad relationships.

"When robins appear, loved ones are near."

□So, bringing it back to Dick's Robin. Dick chooses Robin as his name as a reminder of his family, of his mother who called him robin. Being Robin is, in a way, created to honor the lives his parents. The saying also more so refers to lost loved ones, which fits considering Dick' origin.

This can be applied to the others, but I'll just expand on how it can symbolize Damian's Robin. Damian views Robin as his birth right, but his viewpoint shifts as he grows. When Damian is Robin, he is near the people he will grow to love. His brothers and sisters, his Father, his Batman (Dick), and his Batgirl (Steph).□

Robins can also symbolize poor relationships, relationships that will turn sour, and relationships that are not meant to be. (I think this is more common in Native American culture and folklore.)

□This is another tidbit that can apply to all the Robins (though again maybe minus Carrie). They all have rocky relationships with Bruce and each other at at least one point, though for Jason this is more so after his revival.

Dick's Robin begins rocky with Bruce as he is angry over his parents' deaths and wants to kill the murderer, a desire going against Batman's morals. Then later, the two butt heads over decisions such as Spyral and when Bruce fires Dick from being Robin. Plus, Dick's original opposition to Jason being Robin.

Tim's Robin also has a rocky relationship with Bruce. During the beginning of his time as Robin, Bruce is angry and grieving and reluctant to accept help. The relationship is an originally forced one where Tim is giving more of himself to fix things than Bruce giving to equal it out. And then, when Dick is Batman and B is lost in time, Dick's decision to take Robin from Tim and give it to Damian turns their relationship sour. And then, Tim's near death by BOTH Jason and Damian at the start of their relationships. Plus, Tim and Steph's romantic relationship, from my knowledge, does not end on a good note or is entirely positive and healthy. Oh, and then the neglect from Janet and Jack?—Tim's bio Dad, is another example of that tidbit. Tim's Robin is an omen for himself for the many relationships he has not starting well and or turning sour at one point.

Further expanding on Steph's Robin's relation to this, her relationship with all of the Batfamily starts off poorly (though possibly not including Alfred or Cass). Dick looks down on her, I don't think Jason is alive when she's Robin, Tim isn't exactly the best boyfriend and when Steph becomes Robin she does so as a dig at Tim apparently because she thinks he's being unfaithful, Bruce also looks down on her and eventually takes away Robin from her, and then Damian just didn't understand what a healthy relationship was or something at the beginning. Steph's Robin, like Tim, is also an omen for her own poor relationships, including her poor relationship with her Father and needing to be the support for her Mother rather than vice versa. □

ROBINS AND FIRE: Across many cultures, myth, and folklore, robins are connected to fire, either producing it, protecting it, or stealing it. Fire is something that fights off death and provides warmth. It's symbolic of rebirth and change.

□Yeah, this also applies to all the Robins. SURPRISE!! As Robin, they all experience some sort of change, being in morals, attitudes, perspective, etcetera. Furthermore, the Robins warm Gotham with the hope they represent. They also, like fire, produce a light to fight off Batman's darkness.

As far as rebirth goes, they don't necessarily experience this being Robin. Instead it's after they've moved on. Dick as Nightwing, a name taken from Kryptonian legend where the God is literally a God of rebirth, Jason as Red Hood when he is rebirthed (revived), and Steph when she asserts herself in her role as a vigilante of Gotham and is "rebirthed" as a person who holds confidence and self-respect.

It's hard to say if Tim has fully been "rebirthed" as even when he takes up a new name (Red Robin), he is still holding on to the past, that much evident by the inclusion of Robin in his name. As Red Robin, Tim definitely changes, he loses some of his hero worship and smile, but I wouldn't necessarily consider this a rebirth.

With Damian, he's like Tim in that he holds on to the past and only changes instead of being "rebirthed". He holds on to being the blood son as an attempt to keep his role in the family solidified and it's like he longs for the relationship he had with Dick's Batman with Bruce's Batman, with his Father. He does definitely change though. He becomes less snooty, more open to showing his care, and devoted to Batman's no kill rule. □

I love symbolism and I'm not sure if my thoughts are being fully conveyed here but yeah.

When I design characters I implement a lot of symbolism or connections between the things they're originally based off and though I don't know if it's the same for the DC writers necessarily, it's a neat thought.

If you read this all, that's crazy. You deserve a reward. (Thank you for reading tho)

#dc robin #dc robins #robin dick grayson #robin jason todd #carrie kelley #robin tim drake #robin stephanie brown #robin damian #bruce wayne #dc batman #batman dick grayson #red hood #red robin #dick grayson #jason todd #tim drake #stephanie brown #damian wayne

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redjaybathood · 2 years ago

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I am sorry, this post has been bothering me for a while but I cannot find anything useful enough on the Internet about self mythologizing that would be remotely applicable to Jason and uniquely to Jason. Do you mean like, not in the way it is meant in therapy but his creating an identity to act as a vigilante is self-mythologizing? But this is literally all of them (except maybe Kon? As far as I remember, his Superboy persona came earlier than Conner Kent)

Like, everything you mention is applicable to others Bats. Bruce assumes the name of the thing he was afraid of - bats. Bruce had literally intended himself to become a myth, a thing "cowardly and whatever lot" is afraid of. Bruce makes his plans with his own injustice in mind (murder of his parents), and it is brought up constantly, and so was Dick's parents' murder and the way it constantly comes up for Dick. Both of them, unlike Cass, have a civilian identity, although you could argue that for Bruce it's just another fake persona, whereas Dick tried in the past to have a life, to various degrees of failure.

Damian so far, in Rebirth, is bereft of civilian identity - at least, in any way that would make any consequence. Like, he should literally be in school right now. When he disappeared from school last time, in New52, at least a teacher went to his home to find out the situation.

Jason actually held civilian identity for several years! Since the Iceberg Lounge arc to Task Force Z! The validity of it is on par with Bruce.

And aren't all of them, from Batman to Spoiler to Nightwing to Batgirl to Robin to another Robin to Huntress to Signal make themselves a symbol, and with very short exceptions it is a direct result of their trauma and the need to intellectualize it??? That's how they started all of it.

This post singles out Jason and talks about this thing like it's a bad thing - I am not a psychologist, but the Internet tells me it's just a way of a person making sense of the world, without going into examples - when literally all the examples mentioned in the post are applicable to everyone else. Like, so it's a neutral thing? Or is it bad and bad for everyone but OP just wants to talk about Jason?

The most confusing is this:

what jason needs to realise is that his life is not some greek tragedy nor a great epic. sometimes bad things happen and you need to overcome them rather than internalise them forever and reinvent in hopes that they will work in your favour.

i guess sometimes it’s easier to gnaw at open wounds to try to find a purposeful explanation than admit that your “sacrifice” wasn’t meaningful. that you lost everything for nothing, and now have to start almost anew. starting over is lonely. healing is lonely. there’s no misery for companion.

Because - his life kinda is a greek tragedy, and it is a great epic; it was intended that way, literally. It's a story and it was written that way to be engaging and touching and impactful, both in the eighties and in 00s. And how do you overcome being killed? Or, like, okay, in real life nobody killed can bring themselves back to live to overcome this psychological hurdle of being traumatized by their own death. Say, assaulted, or raped. How does one overcome it? Be like: I don't care. I'm above this?

Because Jason already knows his death wasn't a sacrifice, and that it wasn't more meaningful than anything else Joker does (which has zero meaning aside Joker's entertainment and or profit).

And like, he did start over. Red Hood is him starting over. You may or may not like it, but that's what it is for Jason.

How do you imagine Jason healing? If you do imagine it at all, what are your thoughts about other vigilantes' healing?

But most importantly... healing is very much and very often so accompanied by misery. Like, yeah! Sometimes it helps, sometimes the process of healing - and it is a process, and it is non-linear - is making you feel so shitty. Besides that, healing goes better when you are, in fact, no alone. Like. A therapist, a support group, family that doesn't judge and blame you, friends that get it, society that wouldn't blame you for the thing that happened to you... All of it is not being alone, not feeling alone, and it's hard to heal without at least some of it.

Like, this whole post sounds so deep and meaningful, and maybe I am just stupid - but what does this even mean, any of it.

i am once again thinking about jason self mythologising.

self mythologising is all about making events in your life bigger and more meaningful than they are. it’s about creating a narrative. giving sense to what happened to you.

it’s a natural coping mechanism, but i think it would be even easier for jason, especially with his interest in literature. he would view his life as a tragedy, the way the other people did; and he would try to walk away from it, and end up self mythologising even further. he doesn’t want to be a robin martyr, so he invents the red hood. he takes his murderer’s name, like he just took a class in literary irony 101. he’s writing his own story, but he’s still using symbols, he’s intellectualising.

so he’s still trapped in a narrative. it might seem like one of his making, but it’s focused on his trauma. he’s trying to reclaim it, even though sometimes there’s nothing of value to find in your pain.

#meta #i guess #jason todd

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aspiringtrashpanda · 2 years ago

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🫀LAW x LUFFY👒

This is for my spontaneous event, found here! So happy to be able to write for @ghost-kitty! Hope you enjoy! 💕

No C/W apply

DISCLAIMER: I don’t know if yellow actually symbolizes this stuff. It made sense in my head so I rolled with it.

“Hey, Torao?” Luffy looked over his shoulder, big brown eyes blinking owlishly, “What’s your favorite flower?”

“Yes, love? What’s...?” Law lost his voice as he glanced up from a display of orchids, words dying in his throat.

Luffy’s eyes bore into his own as if Law’s answer would either begin or end the entire universe.

“...Why?” Narrowing his eyes, Law surveyed their surroundings.

He had been pleasantly surprised when Luffy had tugged on his hand, dragging him into the flower shop lining the streets of the busy port town in the New World. The store was not only a reprieve from the hustle and bustle of the crowded streets, but also a chance to shed their codenames. They were already in disguise – Law’s mustache definitely distracting from his jolly roger stitched into his sweater, and Luffy in a hideous blond wig – and the use of alternate names was just annoying at this point.

What were the shop keepers going to do? Call the marines?

Law had laughed at the concept. Yeah, sure, let the local marine branch attempt to take down the Pirate King and a Yonko. Good luck to them, right?

But then, Luffy had peered at an arrangement of daisies, had hummed in interest at the sight of some white hyacinths, and Law was left confused. Luffy had never cared about flowers. Ever. In fact, Luffy had once hauled Law through a field of stunning sunflowers and hadn’t stopped to admire them once.

So, what was with Luffy’s sudden interest in flowers?

The man in question shrugged, “Robin always says you can say a lot with flowers.”

“I suppose,” Law murmured, eyeing the lily Luffy was prodding.

Luffy caught his eye, smirking when he realized Law had been staring. “So,” He snickered, “What’s your favorite flower?”

Pursing his lips, Law let his eyes scan the wide selection of flora in front of them. He supposed it was less so the flower itself and whatever it represented that mattered most to him. The color bore more significance. Whereas each flower had a specific definition, a story already written, one could apply a multitude of meanings to a color.

Take yellow, for example.

There were plenty of negative associations to yellow.

Warning signs, advertising hazards, recommending caution. Bright and flamboyant, rendering the color terrible for stealth, it was a trend in the toxicity of wild frog species. The first signal of decay, yellowed roots marking a decline in nutrient absorption. Bruises, yellowing as they healed.

But they were healing, right? That was the thing: yellow also represented rebirth.

At least, to Law it did.

Because, sure, he had sailed in a yellow submarine long before he had met Straw Hat Luffy, but the color had gained a whole new meaning the moment he had watching the crazy bastard deck a Celestial Dragon in the face. Eustass fucking Kid could have told Law in that moment that yellow represented insanity, and Law would have believed him.

But it was much more than that.

The yellow of Luffy’s hat was a promise. A promise to become great, not just on a personal scale, but a global one too. A promise to make a change, to right centuries of wrongs, to bring joy as bright as that searing yellow to the masses.

The yellow around his waist spoke to the versatility of the color, the sash flexible not unlike the way yellow could represent warmth, happiness, and laughter. Because wasn’t that Luffy? A ray of sunshine wrapped up in a mischievous snicker, a ball of endless energy no matter how early in the morning it was, a veritable force of nature that didn’t give a shit if Law was tired, he wanted to go to karaoke, dammit!

And Luffy would go to karaoke. The yellow of his sandles told as much. Worn and weathered from a lifetime of adventures, busted by the heels and steadily falling apart. Their state was okay, though, because yellow represented endurance, steadfastedness, and the admission that it was more than acceptable to be flawed. According to Luffy, “anyone who thinks you less than perfect is an idiot – blah (Cue Luffy tugging down one eyelid and sticking out his tongue)”.

No matter what, Luffy, clad in his old yellow sandals, would always walk ahead, would always power through every obstacle to the happy ending at the other side of the tunnel.

Just like sunflowers, he looked towards the brightest future, said he’d obtain it, and did.

And now he looked to Law, round eyes waiting for the answer to his initial question. Law wasn’t an idiot – he was almost certain that Robin had set Luffy up. He had, however, thought Robin to consider a more creative scenario for a proposal than gifting flowers.

Though, Law didn’t mind. He had come up with his answer, anyway.

The flower shop was teeming with colors, Law couldn’t deny such a fact. Everywhere he looked, vibrant petals hugged pastel decorations, stems of every shade of green imaginable winding around love letters and bouquet accents. Pinks as pale as cotton candy, as soft as the sunset, as bright as Doflamingo’s nasty jacket reared up around him. Reds as dark as Diamante’s cloak. Blues the same shade as Trebol’s distasteful snot.

It seemed that every hue processed by Law’s eyes brought up a less than pleasant memory.

Every color except one.

Yellow, just like that ugly blond wig over those chocolate eyes he loved so much, the ones that had squinted in chaotic amusement as he had sworn to Law he would set him free. Yellow, like Luffy’s laughter on a sunny morning. Yellow, like the promise of something more.

“Sunflowers, Luffy-ya,” Law smiled, “I think I like sunflowers best.”

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sartle-blog · 2 years ago

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Art History Reader: The History of Green

Claude Monet, The Japanese Footbridge, 1899, National Gallery of Art, Washington D.C.

Green means GO! Beginnings are Green. Green means to grow! Fresh and peaceful; compostable and environmentally friendly. Green sounds like cicadas and fresh lettuce.

Green is a secondary color made from mixing Yellow and Blue. It is complimentary with Red. Green is Muhammad’s favorite color and symbolizes serenity and calm. Paradise. Green smells like lime and mint mojitos. Green feels like smoking and sitting in grass. Grand views of rolling hills. A popular color to wear during pregnancy, It represents renewal, regeneration, and rebirth. Green is youthful. A Greenhorn is inexperienced. A Greenroom is a space to rest. Green is recyclable. Green can be heroic. In his infamous Green cloak, Robin Hood liberates hoards of money from Green-eyed, greedy Grinches.

Green is untrustworthy. In China, a Green hat signifies infidelity; It is unlucky to wear it on the stage and unlucky to drive on the racetrack. A Green witch terrorizes Emerald City. Noxious and humid, Green is acidic mountain dew, Nickelodeon slime, and toxic waste. Nothing is less appetizing than Green eggs and ham. (Maybe Green beans.) Sick, nauseous, it tastes like bitter celery and salty seaweed. Green is the most dangerous pigment in the world. It’s historically fussy and notoriously hazardous to work with.

History:

Green was one of the first pigments attempted by early artists; plant pigment, chlorophyll, fades with time. Ancient Egyptians made it by combining crushed malachite and copper minerals which would eventually oxidize into Black. Ancient Romans would throw a copper plate into a vat of wine which produced a beautiful blue-green. It was unstable, it could not resist dampness, it did not mix well with other colors, and it was toxic. Leonardo da Vinci, in his treatise on painting, warned artists not to use it.

In 1775, Carl Willhelm Scheele made a truly stunning, vibrant Green pigment. The ‘it’ color of the Victorian era, Scheele’s Green became so fashionable that it was seen everywhere from make-up, clothing, toys, and, famously, Napoleon Bonaparte’s bedroom wallpaper. I subscribe to the popular theory that this wallpaper was the cause of his death because this pigment was made from arsenine (a known poison).

That deadly pigment was replaced with an equally deadly pigment made with a mixture of arsenic and copper. Paris Green was named for the Parision Impressionists who were deeply inspired by nature and mostly painted en plein air (outside). Paris Green was most likely the culprit behind Paul Cezanne’s diabetes, and Claude Monet’s blindness. In his painting The Japanese Footbridge, Monet uses this poisonous Green together with the symbol of a bridge to revive hope for a peaceful future. Green represents a fascinating aspect of human nature: many are willing to die for beauty in art.

In Kassia St. Clair’s The Secret Lives of Color, she references a Buddhist fable about Green. In the story a deity visits a boy in a dream. The deity tells him that in order to obtain everything he’s ever wanted he only has to close his eyes and not picture Sea Green. There are two possible outcomes to this tale: either the boy succeeds and finds enlightenment or the boy is consumed by failure until his life and sanity fade away.

Outcome #1: Enlightenment

Don’t picture Sea Green.

I’m not delusional enough to claim that I know the secret to enlightenment. However, I can say with certainty that, If I were the boy from this tale, my enlightenment would be guaranteed. Perhaps I found a 4-leaf clover in a past life because, luckily, I have aphantasia (I lack visual memory). I can’t picture any color! But, beyond lacking the ability to ‘see’ with your eyes closed, I have no further advice for achieving enlightenment. Instead I can advise you on how to fail.

Outcome #2: Insanity and Death

Picture Sea Green.

The first issue lies with language. What color is Sea Green exactly? Language has never been quite able to categorize color concretely. (In many languages, such as Japanese, there is no distinction made between Green and Blue). Many have laid claim to the title. Pantone, Crayola, and Copic have all made their opinions known (although I doubt a deity would respect the authority of any company or brand). The truth is that, technically, there are many colors that could be and are referred to as Sea Green.

Another issue is how our eyes and brains understand color. For example, If you were to look at a 4-leaf clover it would appear Green. That’s because some light is hitting the clover and being absorbed, while other light bounces off and hits our eyes. The color that we see is precisely the color the clover is not. Which inevitably leads to the question of whether or not color even exists in reality.

Let’s assume that ‘reality’ doesn’t matter. Then there’s the problem that anyone who has spent any time looking at the sea would know that it oscillates infinitely between innumerable shades. The truth of the matter can be spun a couple ways. One, because of reflections the sea has been every color. Two, the sea is made of water which is technically clear, and therefore it has no color. So Sea Green is both everything and nothing.

Green reminds us that everything dies and that life is ephemeral. Born again, it always returns with the spring. Green is life and therefore essential. Unavoidable yet hard to grasp. It is everywhere in our natural world. It is hope. And although we now have access to a few non-deadly Green pigments, artists rarely use pre-made Green; they prefer to mix it themselves. Ultimately, mixed Greens come the closest to permanence.

Related Works of Art:

The Arnolfini Portrait by Jan van Eyck

Lucretia by Paolo Veronese

Orpheus Leading Eurydice from the Underworld by Jean-Baptiste Camille Corot

Luncheon on the Grass by Édouard Manet

Green Wheat Fields, Auvers by Vincent van Gogh

The Japanese Footbridge by Claude Monet

Mont Sainte-Victoire with Large Pine by Paul Cézanne

Blue Green Red by Ellsworth Kelly

Green Kiss/Red Embrace (Disjunctive) by John Baldessari

Green Table by Jenny Holzer

By: Danni Lin

#art history reader #art education #green #color theory

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stxleslyds · 3 years ago

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You always seem down on the idea of the Batfam. I mean, it is hard to take seriously when writers make Bruce hostile or downright abusive towards his kids, or when Batfam members never interact. But do you think the concept itself is good, and it's just been the victim of bad writing? Or do you think the Batfam is a bad idea that can never work?

Hi there Anon! Thank you for the ask!

Hmm, this is a difficult question. Maybe I can answer this better if I do it in parts because the concept of “Batfamily” is used in different ways currently. A way to separate them can be, DC’s Batfamily, Fandom’s Batfamily and Fandom’s Batfamily lore being introduced in comics’ canon.

DC’s Batfamily:

My rejection of this version of Batfamily comes from all angles, it is not a good concept within comics lore anymore, it’s badly written and used to hide and move on from truly horrendous actions done by Bruce towards the rest of the family, and DC uses the concept of “Batfamily” that fandom has become so attached to, so they can profit off of it without writing anything of real essence with it.

Why did I say that the Batfamily isn’t a good concept anymore? Well, because the Batfamily that I first came across in comics included, Bruce, Dick, Alfred, Barbara, Tim and Cassandra. It was rather small and their books interconnected and had pretty solid relationships with one another. Dick and Tim got along and spent time together, Barbara mentored Cass so she could become Batgirl and so on and so forth. The family was smaller and more connected. But they still had problems and bad habits then. So, I liked them as a group of people that worked together and the name they received was “Batfamily” as a way for DC to profit from it.

Right now, the Batfamily is huge, I don’t know if you have seen those splash pages with all the members of it for Rebirth and Infinite Frontier, but those promotional pages were crazy big, characters like Harley and Clownhunter are now considered part of the “Batfamily” and all that. Then there is the kind of characters like Cass, Steph and Kate who are all connected to Batman but that haven’t been appearing in books for very long, so putting them on that page really feels like DC is trying to prove that their “Batfamily” actually has women on it, but it’s just for show.

And then there is Dick, Jason, Tim and Damian, the most recognizable faces of the Batfamily aside from Bruce and Alfred (but Alfred is dead now so he doesn’t really count), all of them have had issues with Bruce or are indifferent to the existence of one another. Yes, Tom Taylor has included Tim in Dick’s book but here is the thing, it feels like he put him there just to make fans shut up about the lack of content with both of them acting as they used to do. But its false and lazy, Taylor just brought Tim to the book but we don’t get to see Tim and Dick interact in ways that can explain why they drifted off, it kinda seems like all those years where Dick and Tim were pulled apart never happened to DC and that makes me think “cash grab”. I would have loved to see them interact again if it meant that we would have some solid story for them to develop their relationship once more.

At the end of Rebirth, Damian was pissed off at Bruce and they had a fight and Damian left the manor completely. Bruce beat up Jason, then gave him a hug but still told him that he was banned from Gotham and all that abuse and manipulation was swept under the rug when DC came out with Urban Legends: Cheer, all they did with that story is lie and made-up stories about Jason wanting Bruce to go on a killing spree so Gotham can finally be the home to his beloved family (lies, lies, lies).

On top of all that we have the neglect, abuse and manipulation that Bruce had going on with Dick, ever since Bruce manipulated Dick into joining Spyral his actions haven’t faced any consequences (the family still believes that Dick was the one who lied about dying). And as recently as the end of Rebirth, Dick suffered from a head injury that left him amnesiac and Bruce absolutely didn’t care enough to look after him when he was so vulnerable and alone. DC had the audacity of having Bruce say that he was looking after Dick while Dick went from one villain manipulating and hurting him to another, and if we look at Batman’s run, we can see that he spent some of that time in a weird pit or playing catch the pussy with Selina in a tropical island.

So, taking all those things into account, I honestly believe that the Batfamily is a concept that absolutely does not belong in comics. If it were to be taken seriously then DC should come up with (organic, not forced) stories that make these characters connect once again, but they have to be careful, just because they can connect it doesn’t mean that everyone gets along and they have group chats and eat dinner together of Fridays, that would be a blatant lie and just too out there for their kind of dynamic, so, they should take things slow, start re-building what once was an make it better (if they want to make it work and feel like less of a cash grab).

I heard that there is a book with Cass and Steph being mentored as Batgirls by Barbara coming out in December, that to me is a good thing, what was done in Robin #5 was awful, Jason didn’t have or want to be there, Tim, what the hell was Tim doing there? The only ones that have gotten along with Damian and have had a solid relationship with him were Dick and Steph. Dick had a very nice moment with Damian in that issue, but Steph didn’t, they preferred to have Jason wanting to hug Damian instead (what the actual hell was that?).

Fandom’s Batfamily:

Fandom is a place where people can take any concept from anywhere and transform it into whatever they please. This fandom is just like any other in that matter, but I have noticed that sometimes the Batfamily Fandom tends to blur the lines between what’s fanon and canon. Their lore is so deep and established among people that they sometimes (willingly or not) make new readers or other people believe that how things and perceived in fandom is how things actually are in comics, and that is a huge problem.

Things like “Dick sent Jason to Arkham when the Joker was just a cell away”, “Jason has pit madness and when he gets mad his eyes turn glowy green”, “Dick was a horrendous brother to Jason before Jason died”, “Jason would be good friends with Tim and Cass”, “Jason is the only one that sees the world differently from Bruce and the other robins because he is the only one that comes from a life with no luxury” and so on and on and on…

All of those things are sometimes treated as the absolute truth by fandom and no matter how many times people have debunked and explained that those things aren’t part of comics’ canon because they are simply not true, fandom stills treats those things as the basis of their Batfamily lore.

That lore would be actually fascinating if people didn’t lose sight so easily of the fact that at the end of the day none of that lore can be applied to comics’ canon.

When you enter this fandom things can be extremely confusing and the way some of the characters are characterized are completely different to their canon characterizations, I knew that the Dick fandom was writing about was not real, but I had no idea that Tim being a coffee addict that hasn’t slept in five months and is an absolute genius in everything and anything that he does was completely out of character for him, I just thought that was true to his character in comics too. Something like that happened to me when I took a peek at Jason’s side of fandom, by that time I had read Red Hood/Arsenal, UtRH and New 52 RHatO (yeah in that order, Red Hood/Arsenal wasn’t finished yet though), with the already conflicting characterizations of those books, the first look that I had at fandom’s Jason confused me even more. After considering all those I decided that the Jason that I wanted to see and actually looked appealing to me was UtRH Jason.

Not all people in fandom read comics and that is ABSOLUTELY VALID, I have zero problems with people not liking the comic characterizations of the “Batfamily” characters, but that in itself also creates a rift between fans themselves.

Fandom’s Batfamily lore being introduced in comics’ canon:

This is obviously the intersection of the other two points and this is the biggest problem that I have with the Batfamily concept. The fandom lore has been leaking into comic’s canon for a while now but right now we are kinda drowning in it. Decisions that have been made recently in DC like, Jason giving up his guns, the group chats in Nightwing issues, the family dinners that were hinted at in Cheer #6, and Bruce having had at the ready a Red Hood suit for Jason with a Batman logo in its chest, have been proof enough that DC is planning on skipping any kind of solid writing for these characters to actually get along. We are never going to see these people sit down and talk about their differences and respect each other’s work ethics.

We are never going to get stories of actual essence that prove that these characters understand and care for each other, we are just going to be told that “all is good” and now everyone loves one another and they will build from there.

That is a problem for me.

And it also takes away duality from Gotham’s vigilantes, I know I say this too much but it’s the truth, putting all these characters under the ruling of Batman makes them all bland. Jason shouldn’t be part of any sort of group that involves Bruce! My god, I don’t want to see them interact anymore! Bruce has been absolute trash to Jason ever since he came back from the dead and I am tired of DC trying to make them be on good terms!

Jason and Bruce not getting along can co-exist with the fact that Jason isn’t a villain to Batman’s legendary hero. Jason is his own character, with his own morals and he doesn’t need a bat symbol on his chest or book logo to be relevant. Same with Dick, Tim and Barbara, let them be characters that can stand on their own because they have already done that!

Barbara as Oracle worked WITH Batman if she wanted, she had her own logo and had passed on the mantle of Batgirl because he had grown out of it.

Dick is Nightwing and has become an even better hero than Batman could even aspire to become, he has contacts with everyone in the DC universe, has led countless teams, he doesn’t NEED a batman logo on his book or to be constantly dragged back to him just to make the Bat more compelling.

Jason, my sweet Jason, he had his own logo! It was gorgeous and then Lobdell had the audacity to stamp a Batman logo in the middle of the book name and in Jason’s chest! Have we gone absolutely mad? Why did they do that? Lobdell’s constant back and forth with Jason and his feelings for Bruce, he respects him and he doesn’t, he kills and he doesn’t… each issue felt like a new take on the character! It was crazy!

And that has happened with everyone in the “family”. I will end this by saying that Bruce/Batman being at the centre of this “Batfamily” dynamic is the most laughable thing in the DC Universe. Batman isn’t family to any of the people that they constantly surround him with, he is a piece of shit.

Anyway Anon, I hope this answer doesn’t ruin your day and that you understand that even though I really don’t like the “Batfamily” concept, you and everyone else are allowed and encouraged to think differently!

Hope you have a marvellous day Anon!

#jason todd #red hood #dick grayson #nightwing #tim drake #damian wayne #batfamily #batfam #dc comics #asksss

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leonicscorpio · 4 years ago

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Why I’m Cautiously Optimistic for Batman: Urban Legends

So this is a spoiler review of Batman: Urban Legends and the story between Jason Todd and Bruce Wayne that was introduced to us yesterday.

For those who don’t know, I like Jason Todd and The Red Hood. A lot. However being a Red Hood fan has been frustrating to say the least. He’s one of the most inconsistently written characters in the DCU. Prior to the New 52 and Rebirth. Red Hood was pretty much a straight-up villain. However under Scott Lobdell (for better or for worse) we got Red Hood and the Outlaws. Which transformed Jason from villain to Anti-Hero with varying shades of tropes from Sociopathic Hero at worst to Knight in Sour Armor at best.

I am in no way trying to say that Jason is a bad character. I’d say he truly is my favorite DC Comics character. However a large portion of it comes from Lobdell’s portrayal of a bitter anti-hero trained by the deadliest assassins in the world coming off of a failed revenge attempt against his former parental guardian. To learning to mellow out a bit and still be a hero, but keep his deadly tactics.

It’s hypocritical to say that I dislike the fact that Jason kills people. Quite graphically and brutally mind you. Call it disturbing but that’s what a lot of people like about him. However what has caused a large rift between the DC Fans and Jason Todd is the fact that a lot of the time his foot is halfway in the anti-hero door, halfway trying to warm up to Bruce and the Batman. The problem with the later being Lobdell’s obsession with making Jason teeter between wanting to be on Bruce’s good side, reverting back to what he does best, which is kill, harm, and maim, and Bruce proceeding to hunt him down and beat Jason to within an inch of his life.

It’s just as infuriating for us the readers as it is for the character. What I think fans would appreciate is if Jason were to just leave Batman, stay with the Outlaws, and be his own team. Helping Bruce out occasionally but letting Jason do his own thing. Or to have Bruce fully accept Jason as he is. Which, while is something that sounds nice, but thematically makes little to no sense considering the fact that Jason has done horrific things. Including but not limited to..

- Having been confirmed to have killed EIGHTY THREE PEOPLE (83). And this was at the beginning of OUTLAWS. That number has most certainly gone up.

- Tortured a drug dealer to death by injecting them with bleach.

- In Under the Red Hood, he decapitated the middle ranking members of the highest crime bosses in Gotham. (And from the shocked looks on their faces, it seems as though Jason started the decapitation process when they were alive)

- Regularly attempted to harm/if not kill Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, and Damian Wayne in some earlier comics.

- Tormented Mia Darden (Speedy) in Seeing Red about her past about being a sex worker and being homeless in her youth in a way to try to get her to join him. When she refuses Jason proceeds to blow up her school. Yikes.

- In Last Crusade he killed a mook by Crushing their head in with a car door. Oh and he did that AS ROBIN.

I’m fully aware a lot of those deeds were erased by the Rebirth/New 52. However it’s clear to see why Bruce, while probably does still care and support Jason. He absolutely cannot let Jason run around unchecked in his eyes. That’s why I think it’s unlikely given the events of how Under the Red Hood transpired, Jason in his current state would ever truly and fully be welcomed back into the Bat Family.

Okay LeonicScorpio, this is great and all, but this is supposed to be a post about Batman Urban Legends, you tell me. Well, my dear reader, I shall now get to it. I was setting up the fact that Jason, while he is heroic and has done heroic things, he also is someone who once reveled in violence, causing pain and suffering, and still has a core philosophy in believing killing people based on certain crimes is allowable. (SPOILERS FOR BATMAN: URBAN LEGENDS BELOW)

Chip Zdarsky has done a fantastic job in introducing Jason in this side story. A new drug is sweeping across Gotham. Jason encounters a situation far too similar to his own upbringing. An overdosed mother and a sad crying boy confused. Jason takes the boy named Tyler and promises to protect him.

While I’m on the fence about Eddy Barrows’s take on Jason style wise. You cannot understate the symbolism of his art in this shot. Jason Todd, the same one who came back from the dead and decapitated men when they were alive and reveled in causing pain, comforting a child when they were afraid in a genuine way is something a lot of the fanon has wanted for a long time. However Barrow’s art style gives a sense of uneasiness to the heroic-ness of Jason. Almost as if Jason is unsure of himself. It’s twisted in that it’s both dark but heroic.

Things come to a head when Jason realizes Tyler’s father is probably a drug pusher in Gotham. And when he does finally catch up to the boy’s father. He does take a non-violent approach to trying to get Tyler’s father to turn around (Rubber bullets to the leg. Jason is trying.) However upon trying to reason with Tyler’s father Jason learns that his father was giving the drug to his mother and his son as a means of keeping them controlled. And that Tyler’s father doesn’t give a damn about his family.

Now what do we know about Jason? He kills those who gives drugs to children and parents of children. So what comes next is very on-brand of Jason. Hell I wasn’t even shocked by Jason’s reaction to this at all.

What happens after is what I’ve wanted to write for the longest time. Jason realizes that he’s just killed Tyler’s father. Even if his father didn’t care and was outright abusive towards him. He still killed his father. And Jason stops and drops to his knees because he realizes what he’s done. When I read that my reaction was literally the Jeff Goldblum “You did it, you crazy son of a bitch you did it.” I love Jason but I’ve wanted a story where Jason has to face the consequences of his philosophy and actions. Jason does want to be good and make a difference. But by killing Jason has dug himself into a hole he cant easily bury himself out of.

So long story short Batman Urban Legends should have all of your attentions.

#Batman urban legends spoilers #Batman urban legends #Jason Todd #Bruce Wayne #Jason Todd is great but he's also a monster but that's what we love about him #The blue eyed monster him #Jason is a murderer but hey #Red Hood #Batman

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kiragecko · 3 years ago

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DC Sidekick Age References

Here’s a dump of all the references I’ve found. Know I’m missing a lot, and quite a few were found on other sites that didn’t give me the most precise info.

If you know of anything else, can correct a mistake you see, or want to discuss comic book aging - please send me an ask, message, or reblog!

?? - means I don’t know where the info is from, “quotes” are direct copies of the wording in the comic

?? Parents died when Bruce was 8

Detective Comics #27 (May 1939) – Batman introduced

Detective Comics #38 (Apr 1940) – Dick is (8 when parents killed/9 when Robin) 12 when he becomes Robin, it's Bruce's 3rd year as Batman

More Fun Comics 73 (Nov 1941) – Green Arrow Introduced

1962 - JLA formed

1964 – Dick teams up with Wally and Garth

Teen Titans 1 (Jan-Feb 1966) – Teen Titans form, Donna is introduced (all 5 are 14ish?)

Detective 359 (Jan 1967) – Babs introduced, has PhD, has graduated

Batman #217 (Dec 1969) – Dick graduates high school, enrolls in University (starts 3 months later)

1971 - Roy discovered using drugs by Ollie and Hal in a drug den (he was trading arrows for drugs), retcon has Wally and Dick discovering him at tower and making him promise to get help

Justice League 116 (Mar-Apr 1975) Charley Parker is 16

Batman Family 10 (Mar-Apr 1977) – Dick is teenager, Babs is 25

Teen Titans 53 (Feb 1978) – Dick, Wally, Donna, Vic all started college at same time

DC Special Series: The Flash Spectacular (May 1978) – Wally graduates high school

New Teen Titans 1 (Nov 1980) – Raven forms New Titans, Gar is 16 during run

New Teen Titans 2 (Dec 1980) – Slade meets team, Grant dies

1981 - Dick drops out of university after 1 semester, he never really was interested

New Teen Titans 20 (June 1982) – Vic turns 19, Donna already is

Tales of the New Teen Titans 2 (July 1982) – Raven turned 18 just before forming Titans

Batman #357 (Mar 1983) – Jason’s first appearance

Detective Comics #526 (May 1983) – Bruce adopts Jason, Dick is there and approving

New Teen Titans 34 (Aug 1983) – Terra turns 16

Batman #368 (Feb 1984) – Dick gives Jason the Robin costume, Jason becomes Robin

Blue Devil(84) – Eddie is 11/12

Tales of the Teen Titans (May 1984) – Joey introduced, Author describes him as 17?

New Teen Titans #39 (Feb 1984) – Dick stops being Robin, Wally quits being a superhero/the team

Tales of the Teen Titans 50 (Feb 1985) – Terry and Donna's wedding (she got married while 19)

New Teen Titans 10 (July 1985) – Kole says she's at least 18

Crisis on Infinite Earths 7 (Oct 1985) – Supergirl dies in Superman’s arms after mostly destroying the Anti-Monitor, who has to flee reality

New Teen Titans 18 (Mar 1986) – Dick turns 20 (“Dick Grayson celebrates his birthday away from home with a traditional Tamaranean feast.” (While sulking because Kory got space-married))

New Teen Titans 20 (May 1986) – Roy locates baby Lian, Terry Long is 29

?? Roy is 22(when he gets Lian)

Batman #404 - Batman Year One (Feb 1987) – Bruce is 25, spent 12 years training, became Batman at 26, Barbara Gordon is pregnant, her and Jim move to Gotham

Detective Comics #571 (Feb 1987) – we see Bruce’s fear gas induced vision of Jason’s tombstone (birth: 1974 – death: 1986, so he’d be 12)

Secret Origins 13 (April 87) – 15 years ago, it was Dick’s 5th birthday. Soon after tenth birthday, parents are killed. [Set during New TT 18])

Batman #409 (July 1987) – Jason becomes Robin (In Detective Comics, Jason has been Robin the whole time, but is still being wwritten with Pre-Crisis personality)

Flash 1 (June 1987) – Wally turns 20

New Teen Titans Ann 3 (Nov 1987) – Danny Chase is 13 and introduced

Batman #416 (Feb 1988) – Dick in Gotham, meets the new Robin on patrol. Confronts Bruce later, says he was ‘fired’ less than a year ago (since then he was briefly in college), makes Bruce admit he missed him. Dick finds Jason again, expose the drug dealers, and Dick gives Jason his old costume (symbolically, since Jason already has one) and a phone number, Dick was Robin for 6 years

Batman #427 (Winter 1988) – Jason dies

Batman #436, Batman: Year Three (Aug 1989) – 2 years since Dick stopped being Bruce’s sidekick (When he became Nightwing? Or when he quit?), parents died 10 years earlier

Batman #441, A Lonely Place of Dying (Nov 1989) – Tim 13, was 7 when Dick’s parents died

Robin #1 (Jan 1991) – Tim debuts as Robin

New Titans 84 (March 1992) – Joey dies

Deathstroke, the Terminator #15 (Oct 1992) – Rose introduced

Team Titans 3 (Nov 1992) – Robert Long is born

Adventures of Superman 500 (June 1993) – Kon appears and escapes from Cadmus with Newboy Legion, John Henry Irons first appearance, Eradicator and Cyborg Superman also appear for first time

Batman: BTAS: Robin’s Reckoning (1993) - 'Richard 'Dick' Grayson: Age 10'

Detective Comics 668 (Nov 1993) – Tim gets license (because dad is disabled) even though he hasn’t turned 16 yet, gets beat up by Jean-Paul

Flash 92 (July 1994) – Bart aged to 14

?? Shortly after Knight’s End – Tim is 15 and in the 10th grade

Flash 0 (Oct 1994) – Wally is 23

Damage 1(94) – Grant is 16

Deathstroke, The Terminator Annual 4 (Aug 1995) – Rose is 14, “What would that do to a kid? A fourteen-year-old girl whose father is an assassin she’s never met?”

Wonder Woman 105(95) – Cassie is 14

Tempest 1(96) – Garth spends many months in other dimension

Aquaman 20 (May 1996) – Garth aged 3-4 years in other dimension, now older than other Titans

Teen Titans 1 (Oct 1996) – Argent, Risk, Joto, Prysm all turn 16(they were conceived by seed things on same day)

Superboy Annual 2 – to Kon: “Happy birthday, Kid - - number one in a long successful series, we hope.” “He will effectively remain sixteen years old - - forever!”

Green Lantern 82(97) – Robert Long is 3

Wonder Woman 121(97) – Terry and Robert die

Secret Origins Giant 1(98) – Bart is “Three. Fifteen. Depends.”, “you’re almost 15, Tim.”

Titans 5(99) – Donna is 23

Titans(99) – Lian is 4

Sins of Youth(99) – Kon 16, aging normally again

Aquaman 63 (Jan 2000) – Future Garth tells granddaughter Donna about Cerdian being born (think this is his weird birth issue)

Wonder Woman Secret Files (2002) – „Wonder Girl is a precocious outgoing 15-year-old named Cassandra „Cassie“ Sandsmark.“

Bruce Wayne: Murderer (2002) – Oracle says Tim is 15

Batgirl #37 (April 2003) – “Cain said ... today was ... my birthday.”

Batgirl #39 (June 2003) – “I see an eighteen-year-old girl, who’s out of her depth.” (Babs about Cass)

Robin #116 (Sept 2003) – Dana: “Oh, I’m so glad we’ll all be together on Thursday ... !” Tim: “Why? What’s Thursday?” Jack: “Yeah. What’s Thursday?” Dana: “Wait a minute – seriously? Tim: “Yeah. Tell. Us.” Dana: “It’s nothing – never mind. Just leave your schedules open for a nice family dinner.”| Jack: “Dana, what’s – “ Dana: “Shh! Thursday ... the 19th of July ... ?” Jack: “Um ... oh! Right!” | Steph: “So – Thursday!! Are you excited? Got any ideas for it, yet? ... Tim ... ?” [Tim is asleep.] | [Ives and Steph come over, with pizza that says “Happy B-Day Tim.”] Ives: “Sixteen spankings – get that boy up!!” | Dana says: “I remember when I was in 11th grade.” | he also gets the first ‘clue’ for Bruce’s ‘birthday present.’

Teen Titans 1 (Nov 2003) – Gar is 19, Is this Joey’s return?? (He’s puppeting Slade)

Teen Titans ½ (2004) – Rose’s early years, with a ‘6 years ago’ flashback, she was raised in a brothel her mom ran, tutored, never allowed the outside world, but had relationships with kids her age

Detective Comics #790 (Mar 2004) – Jason’s 18th birthday “he would have been 18 today”

Teen Titans 8 (April 2004) – Raven looks 'barely older' than Cassie

TEEN TITANS #1/2 [2004]: The flashback panels totally sync up with my age theories; Flash to 10 years ago: Dick Grayson’s parents die. Flash to 6 years ago: Rose Wilson is schooled at home by her mother, Lili. Flash to 5 years ago: Ravager I is killed. Flash to 3 years ago: Slade is forced to kill Jericho. Flash to 2 years ago: Cadmus attempts to clone Superman. Flash to 18 months ago: Rose deals with the death of her mother. Flash to one week ago: Bart Allen is shot by Slade.

Identity Crisis 4 (Dec 2004) –(Tim still 16)

Green Arrow 47(05) – Mia is 17

Return of Donna Troy 3(05) – Cassie barely 16

Nightwing: Year One(05) – Dick is 26

Batgirl #65 (Aug 2005) – Cass decides to figure out if Shiva is her mom, Jason and Cass roughly the same age

Flash(05/06) – Wally is 26

?? Robin #136 – Tim still 16 ???

Detective Comics #868 (Oct 2010)– Kate is 32 years old??

One Year Later(Mar 06)

Flash 1(06) – Bart 4 years older(20?)

Blue Beetle 2 (June 2006) – Find out Jaime was in space/a pocket dimension for One Year Later

?? Just prior to 52 (July 2006-July 2007)– told Tim is 17 (long before he’s also 17 in Red Robin, 52 is 1 year long)

Teen Titans 42 (Feb 2007) – Eddie is 17

Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds 3-4 (Apr-June 2009) – Bart and Kon back, same as when died

Batman 677 (July 2008) – Batman over 30

Batman: Battle for the Cowl (May-July 2009) – Damian is 10, Ends with Dick and Damian becoming Batman and Robin

Brave & The Bold 2 (May 2007) – Kara is 17, “You have food in the refrigerator older than her, Hal. Who are you, Ollie? No bad thoughts. She’s seventeen.”

Batgirl #1 (Oct 2009) – Steph starting college

Batgirl #7 (Apr 2010) - Damian is "what happens when you work with a 10-year-old."

Red Robin #12 (July 2010) – Tim spent “a few months” looking for evidence before returning to Gotham, becomes emancipated minor

Detective Comics #871 (Jan 2011)– Mention that Dick and Babs went to prom together

Red Robin #25 (Sept 2011) – Tim “and you are only 17”

The Batman Files (Oct 2014) – Jason was 15 at death (seen on death certificate)

?? Rebirth Young Justice series – Cassie: “didn’t mean to end up back in high school feeling - - like I did back when I went to high school.” Later, she says she’s in Metropolis “Working. Going to school in the fall.” So she’s probably starting college.

?? Bart in some Rebirth comic: “Am I six? Am I nineteen? That’s a really freaky thing, right?”

?? At some point: Donna says shes a little older than Kyle

#gecko's lists #dc comics #teen titans #young justice #about 3/4 of these can be compiled into something that makes sence #*sense #but choosing which 3/4 is tricky

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meara-eldestofthemall · 4 years ago

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Tim Drake as Robin Again Isn’t a Demotional or a Step Back. It’s Perfectly In Character.

While most Tim Drake fans are happy to see Tim back rocking an updated version of his classic costume, there are a number of folks grumbling that this is a step back for him. It really isn’t. For openers, Tim is sixteen years old according to current DC cannon. Sadly (because I actually liked this look) this means that this version of Red Robin never happened:

The original continuity was wiped out by Flashpoint. Seventeen year old Tim stepping away from Batman and becoming an independent hero was gone in favor of the New-52. Lasting only five years, the New52 timeline was discarded along with the Bally Showgirl Red Robin costume (thank God).

Tim may have been seventeen or he may not have been. Who the heck knows anymore. I tend to ignore the New52 cannon since it made little sense and completely rewrote who Tim was. Instead of the Relatable Robin we got the Arrogant Robin who’s name wasn’t even really Tim Drake. For long time fans it was like Tim has been replaced by a pod-person.

Once Rebirth happened in 2015 Tim got his old origin back.

Original, pre-Flashpoint:

Is now the same as Rebirth:

This the tiny Tim Drake who followed Batman with a camera. The one that was so concerned by Batman’s behavior that he sought out Dick Grayson in a bid to have him reclaim the Robin mantle. This is one of the key character points that makes Tim unique as Robin. Dick became Robin to bring his parent’s murderer to justice. Jason became Robin as a positive outlet for his anger at what he’d suffered. Damian became Robin because he considers it his birthright.

Tim became Robin to save Bruce from himself.

That need to save Batman from his own inner darkness is the one thing that hasn’t changed about Tim. He did it in the old continuity...

And he’s still doing it in the Rebirth continuity.

The bottom line is that Tim will always feel he has to step up and save Bruce.

The drive to save what Batman stands for symbolically is at the core of his character. It’s why he was created in the first place. The nuances of Tim Drake may shift but never this.

In the current Rebirth continuity Red Robin wasn’t meant to be an adult identity for Tim the way it was pre-New52. It was more a way for readers to make an easy distinction between Damian and Tim. Red Robin was never meant to be like Nightwing or Red Hood. Red Robin is still a Robin, which is why his costume with the double “R” mimics his classic first-Robin-to-have-pants look.

DC isn’t making Tim take a step backwards in his development. They’re simply having him shed the “red” part of the name. In the pre-New52 cannon and in Rebirth as well, Tim’s Robin was always more willing to step out and have adventures on his own. His solo Robin series rans for over 180 issues. Tim can work closely with Batman but he doesn’t need to be tied exclusively to him. Tim can be Robin but he can still take steps towards becoming a more adult and independent hero if that’s where DC ultimately wants to take him.

Look, Tim may or may not remain as Robin long term. If he doesn’t then I can only hope that this time DC allows Tim to organically grow into an independent role (unlike the last time). Whatever happens, though, I’m good with Tim being Robin right now. Afterall, it’s who he’s been all along.

#Tim Drake #tim drake robin #tim is robin again huzzah!

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buttofgrayson · 4 years ago

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My pitch for Nightwing vs Shrike: rebirth

Dick is very stressed working on cases and has been a bit down on his luck lately. To his surprise he sees a face he never thought he'd see again. Boon turns up in Dicks mechanic shop looking especially for him. Boon is a sharp looking rugged man with his brown hair buzzed short and a badass brown jacket (to contrast Dicks black hair and blue and black jacket). Boon has tracked his old friend down and genuinely wants to reconnect. The two talk and we get a flashback to the (retconned) events that started this relationship.

The original Shrike was a ex league of assassins member who was forming his own small army of street kids who he trained. His finest pupil was Boon an orphan who only had Shrike. Boon was soon upstaged by a new kid named Freddy (Dick called himself Freddy because he was there undercover for Batman). Boon and Freddy had a serious rivalry and soon Boon seemed to value it a lot. Freddy might've been Boons first and only friend in the world. One day Freddy says "you know, I gave Shrike a fake name because I didn't trust him... But I trust you... I'm not Freddy. I'm Dick Grayson." And gives Boon a hug knowing it might be the last time they see eachother. (This meant a LOT to Boon. The only time someone gave him love) The next day the school of kid assassins was invaded by Batman and Robin. Original Shrike died in the scuffle (it was his own fault) and the kids ran off. Boon not being able to find Dick.

Now as a man Boon finally found his friend Dick. They become close friends and start hanging out regularly. He becomes a regular side character for a long time and friend in Dicks series. Eventually Boon confesses to Dick what he's been up to this whole time. He took up the mantle as Shrike and joined to league of assassins. He has become a contract killer and has taken countless lives.

"So yeah... That's what I've been up to all this time. I understand if you don't want to be friends with be because of that but I want you to know I'm not here to hurt you. I always thought of you as someone to look up to. Even now. You've been through the same things as me. Orphans trained to kill. But Dick you became a man while I became a monster. You helped people doing charity work you became a business owner. I just... I would like to be more like you." Boon confesses. Dick hugs him (flashback to their first hug).

Okay this is getting long so I'm gonna speed up. Boon eventually reveals he's not only here for Dick he's in Blüdhaven on a contract to kill Nightwing.

"And Dick... That Nightwing guy? My info says he was Robin. The same one who took down the original Shrike. Someone I've wanted to kill almost all my life. We can take our revenge Dick. Me and you we can kill Nightwing for what he did to our master."

Dick spends the next while juggling Boon as Shrike trying to kill Dick as Nightwing and Boon as Dicks friend and trying to help with some of his mental problems. The dude is a very broken person. Eventually of course Boon finds out that Dick is Nightwing and he is PISSED. A huge fight where Boon escapes promising to bring down Dicks entire city.

"You lied about your name for a second time Dick. It's all happening for a second time. Your fake friendship. Your betrayal."

(symbolism baby!) Okay so Boons plot is to bomb the hell out of Blüdhaven. He knows Dick will try to stop him and that's where he can kill Dick as well. Climax fight scene in an aircraft holding bombs. Dick wins of course and brings the plane down into the bay. The two jumping out just as it touches down and the bomb blows.

Dick is bloodied and wounded but still finds a way to drag himself and Boon to shore. Blüdhaven is safe. Boon is not. Boons entire stomach is riddled with huge shrapnel. This dude is torn up completely. Dick crawls towards Boon and cradles him. Dick now maskless.

"I'm sorry..." Dick says.

"...Don't worry your pretty little head about it. Shrike? He...wasn't a good guy but he was all I had. You took that from me. But seeing you like this. I get it now. Saving people. That's what you do huh hero?" Says Boon.

They both know there is no way Boon is living through this.

Shrike takes his sword out and continues. "I got to be a friend. I got to care for someone. I got to be like you...even if I screwed it all up. Just do this for me hero. I'm in pain...and I need you to save me from it do you understand?"

Dick takes the killing rule seriously. But he knows Boon is not surviving this. He has his rules but Dick has no cruelty. Subjecting Boon to any more pain form his painful existence is nothing but cruel.

Dick is weeping. He hugs Boon for the last time and stabs through Boon killing him.

The words "I trust you" leaving his mouth as he dies.

#AAAAHHHHH #why did i write this?#do i just want reasons to be sad?#Shrike #Nightwing #Dick Grayson #FUCK!!!!!

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bluejaywriter · 4 years ago

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Anyway, here’s my How To Fix WW84 in 42 scenes (or less) list:

BTW, this is a very long post. It is a whole movie :P

1. Delete the first scene with the Amazons and have the opening credits be over the 80s montage. I KNOW, but trust me.

2. Mall robbery scene goes normally, but like... less clunky. And there’s a bop playing in the background because it’s the 80s.

3. When Diana comes back, she’s wearing her armor underneath her jacket; have a shot of her hanging it up in her closet, and pieces of the Golden Armor are displayed nearby. She has dinner by herself, and looks lonely.

4. Diana meets Barbara, and it’s the same, but if she needs something “human”, how about she walks with a cane instead of being clumsy in heels because it may be 1984, but it’s also 2020 :P (also Rucka’s Rebirth run literally has her walking with a cane??) And a girlfriend

5. They bond over the FBI artifacts from the mall robbery, Barbara’s studying something that will be important on an expedition later (a map?), but it’s not like. Placement. It’s just buried in the list of things they’re looking at. Also Barbara is smart and also knows Latin and Diana is impressed.

6. They go to dinner (and there’s a bop playing in the background) and Barbara asks what made her get into archeology, and Diana is vague, and Diana asks what made her get into archeology, and Barbara is also vague, but says she’s always loved ancient civilizations and things. No one asks about anyone’s love life. :P

7. Diana walks Barbara home. Diana asks if she’s in pain (the cane), and she says no, and then it’s never mentioned again because it’s 2020. Also there are no drunk creeps, and no amiable homeless black guys, because… euuuurgh.

8. There’s a scene with another version of the map (or not a map), and a faceless somebody having a vague, Villainy conversation about it (and not Dr. Poison faceless, just... we don’t see their face, lol).

9. Barbara gets to work early and finds out she has to give a tour to Maxwell “The Oil Guy” Lord. This scene goes as normal, and he insists they both come tonight to the gala he’s hosting for the museum at his house. Diana thinks galas are stupid, but she plays along because she wants to keep Barbara away from Max she can tell Barbara wants to go she wants to protect Barbara.

10. Insert artistic shots of Diana’s office here. Basically ancient artifact porn. Show us the cool stuff, God.

11. Diana looks irritated/confused about something and is flipping through books (although computers did exist in 1984, right? Right?). Barbara comes in asking if Diana wants to go shopping for the gala, and Diana asks if she still has the FBI artifacts, and Barbara says yeah, why. Diana says she just wants to check something later, then they go shoe shoppingggggg

12. Diana does all the things the store attendant does. Dialogue, facial expressions, everything. Harold they’re lesbi—

13. Barbara asks if she wants to share a cab to the party, but Diana has to put out a wildfire or something, and says she’ll meet her there.

14. Action scene fire-putting out that somehow relates to a moment later in the movie. Diana can’t save a cat stuck in a tree

15. There’s a shot of Diana stepping out of the burning forest and looking out over the sea, and there are burning embers falling around her, and the sun is setting, and it’s beautiful dammit. And then she remembers she has a date, and she smells like a wildfire, and the music comes in because this was the best scene in the real movie.

15. Gala scene. Entrances and music are perfect, change nothing except man creeps are like… more subtle? And more insidious/Mr. Nice Guy, sure. Diana finds Barbara Ann, and she mentions that she hasn’t drunk/partied like this since college, because she’s a confident woman who can drink, dammit.

16. Pedro Pascal invites Barbara up for a drink, and Diana is prepared to come along uninvited, but there’s an invite for her, too.

17. The three main actors from this movie actually get to hang out together and bond like atoms because they have serious chemistry. Max is a bit of a douche at first, but he relaxes after a bit of goofing off. Diana asks him about the pictures on the wall of his son, and he says he’s the smartest boy in his school, and his goal every day is to make his son proud of him. Barbara Ann (who is slightly drunk) mentions that her father didn’t want her to become a scientist, and they swap horrible Dad stories for 45 seconds.

18. Diana’s Horrible Dad Story: “My mother never told me his name.”

19. Pedro Pascal mentions that he’s putting together a team for a dig (Apparently they dug up some stuff while he was looking for oil) and he wants Barbara Ann to lead the expedition.

20. Barbara Ann wants Diana in her team don’t we all. Pedro Pascal pretends to be surprised and delighted by this idea. There’s a shot of his happy face disappearing once the girls leave.

21. Diana goes to find the FBI artifact she’d been wondering about (it’s after the gala, so it’s dark in the museum), and it’s gone.

22. They fly to the dig, and everyone has their passports, and Kristen Wiig does not reprise her Bridesmaids airplane scene, but she can mention that it was nice of Max Lord to put them in first class. It’s also the 80s, so flying looks like whatever flying looked like in the 80s (more leg room? :P) Also, there’s a bop playing in the flying montage.

23. They get to the dig (in a helicopter), and a bunch of diverse people introduce themselves, because we have to have diversity somewhere in here, it’s 2020.

24. Barbara Ann gets to work, and Diana goes exploring because she’s the main character and doesn’t need to work. She sees a temple/palace further up the island, and it looks like there’s smoke coming out of the courtyard, but she’s called back for dinner before she can go see. The other people tell her the building is abandoned.

25. Diana goes later that night to see, and it is abandoned and there’s lots of animal bones lying around and weird symbols on the walls and it’s creepy AF. But there are other things (pottery?) that remind her of Themyscira, and there’s a flash of a memory from an Amazon feast, and she sees Antiope laughing with a group of Amazons because we need a Robin Wright cameo, and then a hard cut to—

26. Barbara Ann comes to find Diana sitting on the edge of the cliff looking over the ocean, and she asks if she’s jetlagged too, and she says no, just homesick. She tells Barbara Ann that she grew up on an island, and after she left, she spent years trying to move on and assimilate into the new world, but she kept finding things that reminded her of her homeland, and she finally accepted that she should be proud of who she is and where she’s from. Barbara Ann says she should never be ashamed of her true self and then they kiss

27. In the morning, there’s a dig montage, and a bop playing in the background. Diana pretends that heavy things are heavy. They find Diana’s golden helmet and other scraps of the golden armor and a bunch of other stuff so then it’s not conspicuous, and then there’s a tsunami/hurricane, and the rest of the crew dies or evacuates or something. It’s dramatic, and Diana and Barbara almost drown, except Diana is Wonder Woman.

28. The two of them end up heading up to the abandoned building for shelter, and it looks sturdy, and the animal bones are gone, which is weird, but it’s dry, so Diana tells Barbara Ann to sleep while she takes the first watch. Barbara Ann says this isn’t the worst night she’s spent on the job.

29. Diana falls asleep and has a dream of this building in its heyday, and there’s an Amazon feast, and Diana wanders through the dream looking sad, and Hippolyta stands up to give a toast and is shouting about their guest of honor, the Princess from—

30. And then Diana wakes up, Barbara Ann is gone, and it’s full daylight, and there’s no sign of the storm or their camp. Diana hears a sound and goes to investigate likes she’s in a horror movie or something, and it takes her to stairs that lead underground, and she realizes that the tunnels match the map from the FBI (this is too convenient, but whatever, this is the first draft okay :P).

31. Maxwell Lord is sitting on a folding chair (or a couch!) in the cave at the end of the tunnel, and he’s surrounded by animals in cages. Diana recognizes some of the animals from the bones she saw earlier, because why not. He says that he brought Diana and Barbara Ann here to settle some old scores. Diana thinks for a minute that he’s Ares or something, and he says not MY old scores.

32. And then Diana is attacked by a Cheetah (why not), and she’s not wearing her armor, but she can fight in her indiana jones outfit, and it’s kind of a lame fight (dark, realistic, no slow-mo), and she re-cages the animal pretty easily, and THEN she’s surrounded by the blurriness like she’s dreaming (bad, but it’s the first draft, okay), and Eva Green’s voice says some villainy things about is this how she treats her friends and she’s just like her mother—

33. And then Diana realizes that Barbara Ann is the Cheetah, and there’s a montage of her falling into Circe’s trap and being turned into a Cheetah, and then a scene of Pedro Pascal’s son being kidnapped while they’re on rich people vacation and being turned into a gerbil, and transformations of a bunch of explorers and warriors from over the years getting turned into animals (including Asteria), and then a scene of Circe being banished from the Amazons and not being allowed to return to (old) Themyscira.

34. Circe isn’t actually in the tunnel, but in the fog sequence, she talks to Diana through a mirror and occasionally morphs into Diana’s reflection, because she’s magic, and that’s creepy.

35. After the fog is over, and Diana’s wearing the Golden Armor because we need to sell toys, and then there’s ACTUAL fight with Cheetah, and a bop (Sebastian Böhm’s “Sweet Dreams are Made of This”) is playing in the background, and this time there are actual stakes because Diana doesn’t want to hurt her. And it’s like, the Cheetah and Wonder Woman fight from Rucka’s run, okay. Cheetah says this is her true self and to leave her alone, and Diana says no, this isn’t you.

36. Diana breaks Circe’s curse with true love’s kiss. Diana breaks Circe’s the curse with the lasso and a speech about love, and it turns out the Cheetah form is held back by the lasso, so Diana lets her keep it.

37. Pedro Pascal gets his son back and it actually makes sense for him to run out from the bushes. He apparently doesn’t remember anything about Circe.

38. A helicopter comes to get them, and Diana is uneasy, because there’s a third movie, but she leaves and there’s a bop playing, because this is the end of the second movie.

39. Diana adds the helmet and the rest of the armor to her collection in her closet.

40. Barbara Ann now has to tell the truth all the time because she’s wearing the lasso all the time. This is terrible, but the movie plays it off as amusing.

41. Diana promises to find help for Barbara Ann, and they kiss

42. I guess the mid credits scene with Asteria can still happen. She could clean up after herself though, lol. A possible end credits scene is Diana finding the lasso on her work desk and Barbara Ann’s desk cleared out, but that’s kind of a bitter ending, and the lesbian ending is nicer.

In the third movie, Diana tries to find Themyscira and Circe is the main villain and maybe Cheetah comes back. Boom.

#long post #See this is what I call a first draft #and then you scrub it 1000 times until it's a GREAT draft #and like something that will make sense on film and be enjoyable to watch #anyway I didn't have time to write today so I spent 2 hours writing this :P #funny how that happens #if you make it to the end let me know what you think!

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yuvon-writes-letters · 3 years ago

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To all,

In the few hours of planning, I have witnessed a letter appear in our shared mailbox, on a Tuesday.

For the record, I do not believe any of this nonsense, you could very easily be lying, both Yu, and whoever that “entity” is.

But Rai insists that it is all true, and despite his fragility, he always had this uncanny ability to tell when someone is spreading falsehoods or not, a knack for feeling if something is going wrong. The fact that he hasn’t quit sending these letters means that he wholeheartedly believes this, sci-fi narrative.

I trust him, so I’ll play along for now.

Trust me, this does not mean I trust you. For the time being, Rai will not be sending any letters, because he has apparently made himself a target, I cannot have that.

My name is. Actually, you don’t get to know my full name, it’s bad enough that you know my first anyways.

To, the entity, the letter that that was sent was matted in dirt, the words “I see you” were written in what is most likely blood, it was stuffed in an envelope along with the lily.

To Yu, Yuvon, thank you for being there for Rai these past few weeks, and fuck you, for making his life so much harder than it needs to be. He should be worried about portioning his time right to get more sleep, and doing his best to earn a living, not trying to keep a cursed pen-pal alive. Unfortunately, if what you do say is true, then I cannot blame you for his woes, you reached out, and like the hero he is, he takes the call for help.

I am currently in the process of reading the letters that were sent between you all, but, if you want to be in my good graces, a summary would help much more than hours of reading, I will not take kindly to secrets (Jake).

I will await a response.

Skie

Skie,

Most of the evidence I'd usually offer to assure people I'm not lying doesn't apply to you. It'll be a little more clear why when I get into the summary later, but I'm reeling a bit and I'm trying to take things one thing at a time.

Yeah. It's probably best if Rai at least isn't the first one to open these letters for a while. Please be careful too. I seriously don't know what this thing is capable of or what it wants, but it's very clearly violent. And entities (that's what we call these things, for lack of a better word) getting violent ends very, very poorly.

Best if we don't do full names, I agree. We've all sort of set a precedent where we use nicknames or screen names instead of our actual names.

(The ink turns dark enough that it seems to suck in the light around it.) My thanks for the description.

...Right. That just happened. I'm never going to get used to that.

You're welcome and I'm sorry. Truthfully, I've been pretty worried about Rai as well, and I sincerely apologize for any and all parts I played in Rai's problems.

Alright. Recap. This is gonna be long.

One day before I sent my first letter, I woke up in a clearing in a forest, with a note that told me that I could send letters to alternate universes with other people in the same situation I had left before arriving to the clearing on the ground in front of me. I marked the direction I was facing when I appeared and arbitrarily declared it "north". I did some exploring, and discovered that there was an invisible barrier all around the clearing, and that there were trees as far as the eye could see when I climbed a tree inside the barrier. After the first day, I sent my first letter.

Rai, though he went by Rainer then, was actually the first person to write to me, two days later. He was doubtful, obviously, but I shared specific details of the shared experiences that connect us across universes, and so did he, so we believed each other. We talked metaphysics and theories about what was going on for a bit, and Rai asked for details about my circumstances. I learned there were eight rooms off the central clearing, but five disturbed me so much that I lied and said that only three existed: a library (south), a game room (east), and a "comfy room" (west) with pillows and mattresses and blankets, etc.

Eventually, I realized there was an anomaly we've tentatively been calling the stasis over my version of the Duskwood group, where they went on with their lives but nothing actually changed. They didn't start to come to terms with emotional events that happened, they made no progress in their investigations, they didn't talk about anything important. Things were happening, but nothing HAPPENED, if that makes sense.

Rai encouraged me to tell one particular person from the Duskwood group I trust whole-heartedly, Jake, about my circumstances. That broke the stasis on him, and from then on, he and I started to work together.

We determined that the trees around my clearing are elder trees (symbolic of life/death/rebirth cycle) and completely generic trees. I theorized that I was stuck between a symbolic "death" and "rebirth", in a stasis of my own. I remain convinced of this theory.

On Father's Day, I spoke to the Duskwood group and lied to them in the process of cancelling an event I'd planned on that day for fear of giving myself away. Unbeknownst to me, that began to shake them out of their stasis slowly.

Someone named Liska contacted me then, informing me that they were sort of in an inverse situation as my own: They had normal contact with their friends and family outside of Duskwood, and they hadn't been kidnapped like I was, but Duskwood itself was almost completely frozen. There was some other weird stuff happening with the stasis, but that's not so relevant.

Lis started to get threatening calls from the perpetrator in the Duskwood case, worrying pretty much everyone, plus she didn't trust me, though I cleared the distrust up fairly quickly.

This is about when Rai started having issues, and warned us he wouldn't be able to write letters as often.

I sorta got stuck for a while, and Lis kept getting threatened. I figured out that someone would eventually join me in the clearing, but not who, how, or when, so I was obsessing over that. About then, Lis pointed out a small detail that showed I was lying about something, and that turned into a confession about the other five rooms. In brief:

North: A room with a countdown to when I can leave

Northwest: Another clearing where everything was dead with a silver goblet at the end, whole area gave off a magical sense of dread, I left without investigating further

Southeast: Altar w/ bloodstains, symbolism and text suggesting I could sacrifice my life to kill the ass terrorizing my version of the group (an alternate version of the asshole stalking Lis)

Northeast: Knife in the middle of a glade, can cut almost anything in here but the invisible barrier.

Southwest: 3 upside-down torches, one on each wall that wasn't an entrance, floor was a field of white lilies. Refused to enter initially due to overdose of symbols of death.

I discovered that my old family and my few non-Duskwood friends had all completely forgotten who I was. They still haven't remembered, but that's besides the point. I'm not just whining here, this becomes important later.

Anyhow, I started getting really worried about Rai, because he mentioned his head feeling fuzzy, he was having trouble understanding things, and his writing was disjointed. You probably know about when that was on the recent timeline.

Lis's next letter was concerning, and I asked in a cipher I won't disclose because at least one entity can't seem to understand it whether she was alright and offered a code for her to tell us if she was being watched.

Lis then sent two letters back to back: one where she used the code, and one when she wasn't being watched: she had been kidnapped by the stalker. We also made first contact with an entity we're calling "Goldie" or "Aur" (first few letters of their name) who is benevolent and has done their utmost to help Lis.

In addition, her Jake spoke to her over Tumblr, promising to help find her, and I got print-outs of the screenshots in an envelope. I contacted him as well, offering what advice I could, especially as we'd begun to theorize there was an entity working against Lis as well.

It wasn't enough. Lis was shot. And died.

And then her entity sent her back in time, alive, and with her Jake freed from the stasis much earlier.

As Lis started recovering mentally from that, I started messing on this plane again. Lis convinced me to test out the death symbol room and see if it was actually dangerous, so I first tried cutting my way out of the barrier with the knife (it failed) and then I started sorta using the Robin Crusoe method of testing the room for death, which meant I went very slowly.

During this, Rai finally admitted he hadn't been sleeping enough, and I tried to encourage him to actually fucking sleep and not worry so much about writing the damn letters.

Then

Okay, I'm not proud of this bit. Behind one of the torches in the room with the lilies and torches I'd been testing, there was a sheet of paper with a blood ritual on it. It promised an end result I'd like, and none of the other schmuck baits up to that point had actually hurt me, so I gave it a try. Imagine my shock when Jake appeared in the clearing. He's still here, by the way, we don't know how to get him back any more than me.

Rai brought up a theory (later confirmed) that the ritual brought Jake because he was what I most wanted to have with me right then. I began to work on trying to deconstruct the ritual and understand how it worked so I could confirm or deny, but was interrupted when I discovered that the Duskwood group had broken out of stasis, and I had to play damage control. They also became semi-aware the stasis had happened.

Lis sent another letter, and Jake came to the conclusion that her workplace is unsafe, and urged her to take a vacation, especially in the wake of further threats from the kidnapper. Also, Lis's stasis started to weaken, and she began passing messages between my version of Jake and her's. They proved to be surprisingly different.

At that point, someone named Jessy sent a letter in, who is one of the Duskwood crew. She was from a year in my future, shortly after her version of me, named Matt, was killed by the kidnapper and Jake was framed for it.

At this point, Jake raised the theory that Rai, Lis, Matt, myself, and all other counterparts across universes are somehow cursed, or gain more attention than we should from entities, and that's why so many horrible things happen to us. It... makes a lot of sense, honestly.

About here is when I started getting together a plan to get out. I was worried I might be mindread, though, so I went to slightly extreme measures to make sure my thoughts wouldn't give me away.

Then Jessy wrote again, and tried to convince Lis and I to run away from our respective Jakes out of concern. Along the way, she accidentally implied that her universe's Jake was being tortured in his incarceration, and I admittedly lashed out at her a bit in my response to her letter. It made me furious, obviously, and scared and upset, so I used those emotions to focus.

Lis grew concerned when I denied I had a plan. Repeatedly. And unconvincingly. Okay, it was more of a mantra. I sort of wrote "I have no plan" all over the paper and then didn't erase well enough, so you can see why she was concerned.

Now, I don't know everything that went down right there, but I'll take a guess. The entity, unable to interpret the ciphered messages I'd sent to Lis explaining why I was so insistent that I had no plan, asked Lis what my plan was, pretending to be benevolent like Goldie. Lis didn't believe it, and annoyed the entity in the process. It taunted her, claiming that Jake and I would be hurt because of her noncompliance, which was bullshit because the entity would've done what it did anyhow. Lis tried to send us warnings, but the entity blocked them and taunted her more publicly.

Unless it's essential, I'd rather not go into detail about what exactly happened when I tried to execute my plan. There's a letter that describes most of it somewhere in the past two weeks or more. Suffice it to say, I fell into a probably magic-induced coma for a few days, my face is still scarred to hell, and there's a small chunk missing from my right arm, though that's filling in because enhanced/faster healing here.

After the incident, while I was unconscious, everyone wrote in letters asking after me or offering advice, including Lis's Jake and Jessy, and Jake pretended to be me to keep the Duskwood group from suspecting anything. One of them figured it out, but she was sympathetic to both Jake and myself, so she kept the secret. In the meantime, Lis took a vacation and got out of danger, hopefully.

When I woke up, I was able to just... know a few minor facts about the entity. I still don't know how or why.

Anyway, I just sorta recovered and caught up for a bit.

Max contacted us to basically let us know that Lis was doing better (she was really torn up with guilt over the incident :( )

Very recently, Jessy contacted my parents, trying to determine if I was alright, and discovered that they didn't know who I was. That spawned a confession from me when I was confronted; that whole group is now in the know. Jake is still not entirely pleased with my decision, but I think he's mostly over it.

Then that new entity apparently sent out the letter, you contacted us for the first time, and now we’re back to the present moment.

Oh. One more thing that seems pretty important in hindsight. Rai sent me a crayon as an experiment. It arrived three different colors in one crayon: brown, green, and white. Take a wild guess what it was called.

Yep. White lily.

This is sort of reminding me of a character I made a million years ago, but the powers don't match up. It doesn't sound like the M.O. does either. Still, that character was a nasty piece of work. I hope it's all just a coincidence.

Anyhow. That's all for now. Talk to you later. Write to you later. Whatever.

—Yuvon

(The letter tucks itself in the paper clip with the others.)

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Something something Tarot Card Project something.

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Context under the cut, in order of appearance:

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Kyo - The Fool ( Hear me out.)

Symbolizing new beginning, adventure, opportunities, pleasure, etc. It reflects how when Lifonse and Kamui first met him (from his perspective), he suddenly took a drastic turn in his life with opening new opportunities (becoming a summoner, stabilizing his power to go from a ditto to a ditto-mew, getting his first legendary in Zacian and encountering others, finding his ex and making amends to be on surprisingly good terms with him, having lovers who immediately love him, etc), of which his stinkiness nearly self-sabotaged in his apprehension, his guardedness, and (more sympathetically) him managing his past experiences and traumas, of which had Lifonse and Kamui not been so patient, supportive and loving as they had, there were so many opportunities he could've ruined for himself. This incarnation of him even gained more lovers than his past self (in Eclair and then Kaze), and in a moment of humbling himself and realizing in full of the weight of his failings and foolishness, it had a profound effect in Zacian for her to knight him, proclaiming herself as his to officially train.

For the reverse, this also winds up heavily symbolizing his past-self, who became present-Kyo's fallen alt, who did wind up self-sabotaging things by causing a lot of trauma that lingered in Kamui and Lifonse, who went a completely different direction in life from the present Kyo, and was woefully apathetic and uncaring to Lifonse and Kamui as a whole compared to present-Kyo not only opening up and genuinely loving them more, but making strides to change himself for the better for their sake, too. There were many scars he left behind in Lifonse and Kamui that negatively impacted even present-Kyo’s relationship with them, and the only moment he had a saving grace was just before his death, and ruined just as quickly when Hel claimed him as one of her new cohorts. Worth also noting that unlike the present Kyo, whose power stabilized his ditto genes to be mew-like, past-Kyo didn’t develop nearly as pronounced a bond to do the same, and thus, lacked their connection to a mew.

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Ephrel - The Chariot

In reverse, the feeling of defeat, being vanquished, lost, etc. Were all feelings that reflected how Ephrel was in the eyes of Sparrow's Order of Heroes prior to Sparrow's official status as summoner (of which Chrom's was unofficial before her). They were completely forgotten to the point they didn't even have a name attached other than "former summoner/previous summoner", the circumstances of why they were gone were almost entirely unheard of or guesswork, and there seemed far too much haste to try to forget them as much as possible in favor of moving on with Sparrow, satisfied to keep their fate unknown with very few to give a fuck otherwise (like Chrom, then Sparrow based on Chrom's own unwavering hope to find out what happened once learning Ephrel had a life after their robinsona).

The process of finding Spectabilis, then deciding to redeem them rather than kill them (which would be far easier and inconsequential), was what flips The Chariot upright: Reflecting the long, rocky road Chrom persevered to press forward to, and meet up to free Ephrel from a fate of stagnancy, rather than just leave it at accepting his replacement Robins and moving on without them like everyone else. This action was what allowed Ephrel's live to continue forward, and to reveal more of themself they didn't flesh out even in their robinsona days.

Initially, I debated on whether or not Chrom and Ephrel fit to be literally riding something, but I find it even more fitting that Chrom himself served as “the chariot”, having carried the toils and burdens from the point he lost Ephrel, to the long, exhausting journey to retrieve them again.

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Erin - The Hanged Man

As her supports (but especially Lif, Ryoma, and to some degree Camilla from the start) knew too well (and Hrid eventually caught up on and was rightfully horrified of and clingy afterwards about), Erin came from a very harsh life prior to being a summoner, where she was suffocated, controlled, manipulated, and worked to the ground, to the point she nearly made a very costly, risky mistake of her own self prior to her Breidablik summoning her (of which I'll remain brief and vague here as it's not the biggest point this time). The damage was still done, as she still was left a broken shell, fully welcoming anyone to pull her strings as she was heavily conditioned to expect, all with a weak will, self-worth and agency. All of which line up with the reversed Hang Man's meaning of useless sacrifice, unwillingness to change, and knowingly heading on to bad decision after bad outcome. The arms of her past try greedily to drag her back to the life she had once escaped from.

The upright version of this reflected readjustment, improvement, and rebirth: All of which carried the same elements to how her supports could see she was a completely different person underneath the broken mess she was initially left as, and needed support, love, and gentle coaxing to come out in her own accord. This then led to a very massive shift to what she later turned into presently from where she started off before: As someone bold, brash, more willing to show herself, and more engaged as her own self with her own decisions. Even in free-fall, she gained her freedom, and more, thanks to her supports, gained her wings figuratively and literally (as a manakete) to take flight by her own will.

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Teru - Death

In reverse, Teru had indeed followed a lot of relationships that couldn't fully serve him or be as realized as he needed them to be at the time he needed it most (Kyo, before The Incident nearly ruined even their friendship, and definitely ruined their relationship. Then Ryoma, before Garon took that away from him as well.). His Order of Heroes failed him, his initial Askr was doomed, and he had to be a pillar of strength and protection to his pokemon and them in a time he himself desperately needed someone to rely on and protect him instead in his ailing strength and health. In the form he took prior to decimating his former connected World of Fates, one prominent feature in the missingno form he took at the time was carrying the fragmented headgear of his fallen past lover.

Upright, even in the point where Teru changed his life for the better, it took massive sacrifices and struggles on his part to get there. He has a chronic illness that can make him incredibly godly in power in the best of times, but also worryingly and critically frail and weak in most other times, all through his missingno powers he's still not able to entirely control. He had done the impossible in cheating death so many times from being a missingno, to surviving Conquest, to taking the Heart's Rite head on and living to tell the tale, but such bragging rights rang hallow for the sacrifices he made and the unspeakable levels of agony and pain he endured while subjected to them. He cheated death, yet at what cost? But even when he reached his lowest, his life did start anew as he grew past his traumas just enough to learn to grow and feel again, and for the better. After all, "third time's the charm".

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Sparrow - The Star

Where she started, she was homeless, abandoned by the world, and left to die. Forgotten. Uncared for. Unconcerned. Just another number and another sad life wasted. Like the reverse, she started in a point she was made acutely aware how little her skills mattered (it certainly didn't spare her the life of poverty), how bad her luck was (despite her best efforts, she still failed), and her only future was one that was coming to an end (crushed dreams unrealized in favor of being left to starve to death to the harsh elements outdoors). In her hands were the concept of a Crest of Fate bestowed to her, marking her as a digidestined. But even this “blessing” was in actuality a fake crest of the Grimeal, and what led to long-term damage to her and her digimon when the ruse was up.

It was Chrom who summoned her, and it was because of his patience to help save her and get her on her feet again did her hopes turn around, and her card meaning with it. Upright, she had a second chance in a new life, a new environment, and with opportunities she only barely touched the surface of that were fully realized in looking to it again in Askr (her digimon, who she didn't physically interact with until Chrom upset her digimon partners upon realizing why Sparrow didn't check up on them (of which she downplayed her life cuz, well, she thought it was a game), revealing themselves in full). She found love, she found insight, and she found a new power she learned to harness to make a better use of her skills when she thought a more direct approach was lacking (a healer, when she wasn't physically strong enough to take up another weapon yet). She stayed calm, positive, hopeful, and tried to extend the same hope Chrom shared to her to others she found along the way, which led to Robin, Lyon, and then Ephrel finding their own hopes as well. In her hands was a digi-egg of Destiny (sometimes alternatively known as the digimental of fate), which manifested itself when Breidablik resonated with both Sparrow and Ephrel. As a united force, they finally gained the hard-earned role of digidestined as a duo legendary-mythic unit.

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Eclair - Judgement

A lot of Eclair's point of major growth in power and character all fell back on Thorr's most powerful ability: Judgement. This power was the power that could completely and utterly decimate entire countries with the single swing of her hammer, and she isn't afraid to flex, and in ways Eclair saw for himself are fickle and self-righteous (particularly as she and Teru declared war on one another for the sake of protecting Nohr or wiping it off the face of Fates, but did nothing to interfere with the Nohr Teru himself destroyed in his own world). This fickle nature, this self-serving attitude and logic path Thorr decides when to enact her judgement or not, struck the biggest fear in Eclair and caused untold amounts of stress, worries, and panic attacks of being his greatest failure of seeing everyone wiped away from his life (like the fate he himself escaped as a forma) if he couldn't successfully stop his own mother. All of which are fears of the reverse Judgement. Even when she left her mark in other timelines and what-could’ve-beens, she struck fear in Eclair’s supports making such outcomes prominently known for them to stew on. Including an alternative outcome of her taking hold of some manner of Alfonse and overloading him into a temporal threat.

But upright, it also reflects awakening, renewal, a better health and mind fully realized. The point Eclair began fearing his mother and aunt most was also the point his powers started manifesting the most when his family, friends and supports made their own will clear of wanting to protect him. It was also the point he fully realized that form of will that comes from love and the power it held that heavily contrasted the will Thorr took interest in that comes from despair. This eventually was fully realized in his fully powered form, Magni, and his power as the Divine Shield to completely cancel out Thorr's Judgement attack, and thus, force her to bring herself down to the same even footing as the mortals when she can't simply delete them off the earth with a swing anymore. This resolve is also what resonated with why Zamazenta similarly trusts him, and thus, fully established Eclair's mythic alt.

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