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binomech · 22 days ago

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some opinions on fanfic trends for Disco Elysium on AO3 for the past 2-ish years; i address racism, ableism, jean and kim tropes, accesorization of harry and the way the game themes appear to have warped.

some of you may know i've been reading every fic published on the disco AO3 tag chronologically since 2019 for a little over a year and jotting down some trends (not a proper statistical study, just some tracking of when certain tropes are introduced and when and how they reproduce because i like observing that kind of thing.) there's been an uptick in trans(masc) Kim and Jean character studies since late 2022-early 2023, among many others, but these ones were like overwhelmingly prolific once they were introduced.

harry, kim and jean are overwhelmingly the characters with most fanworks in the tag. and having read a little over 4k works it turns out that people engage in a very distinct way with them for the most part that tracks with the growth of the trans Kim and Jean character studies as a trend.

the disco elysium fandom's english-language writers are, according to my cursory snooping, overwhelmingly trans, some flavor of gay, white and from north america and western europe. given personal anecdotes, i also suspect they are upper middle class (though not as statistically huge as the previous things) and struggle with mental health. in the past decade or so a lot of fanworks have followed a trend of exploration focused on catharsis and personal relatability.

now, kim and harry appear so much in the text with so much detail that there's plenty of personal details to pull from to write them, where as jean's total presence in the game (rarely achieved in one run but i'm taking into account all his mentions and lines) is smaller so it follows that people need to fill in some gaps and there's more characterization freedom. jean is white, younger than both harry and kim, canonically depressed, non-canonically confirmed by his character player an amphetamine addict but presented as a functional person during the game, and covers a very specific narrative hinge that i understand as relevant: he's a bridge between pre-Martinaise Harry and his Martinaise self.

he's objectively a very comfortable character to play with because he's mostly a blank slate except for his relation to Harry and his vitriolic grief towards him. so logistically i understand why people who struggle with mental health, are white, are anywhere between 17 and 35, are functional and able-bodied and may or may not have a complicated relationship with a close person who struggles with addiction or other health issues might go "YES, GOOD CATHARSIS NARRATIVE FOR ME". but the sheer amount of works that value Relatability over engaging with the characters or the themes has resulted in a very strong ripple. which leads to trans kim.

the game paints a deep and vivid image of kim, both from within harry's own perspectives and the objective things he says out loud. he's a walking contradiction, he's alienated from his body and selfhood, he beat himself into submission to stay alive. he's a walking reminder of his assasinated communist parents, the people who killed them paid his salary, his body (racialized, disabled) is both a hindrance to his assimilation and a tangible proof that he could have belonged somewhere but doesn't, that no matter what he does it will be considered first. so he watches his words, his movements, his appearance. so he partakes in hypermasculinity. he's canonically gay, mixed race, diasporic seolite, and disabled. and somehow, the only one of this that is recurringly explored in most fanworks is his homosexuality, usually in the form of being a guiding figure to harry or as a Fellow Gay Cop to jean, or eyes, or someone else.

now, we have the trans kim trope. my opinion on the trope isn't relevant to the point i'm trying to make, but i will say i think transmasc kim is something i enjoy in theory, i think it's a worthy exploration that works very well with the hauntings of embodiment and perception that exist in kim's canon self. but it's very jarring when all of these tales of gay trans kim refuse to engage with race, or with physical disability. like, after you've read 800 trans kim fics you start noticing how solid that avoidance is, how big the elephant in the room is, and i can't help but think that, coupled with the explorations of Jean, the issue is: the white ablebodied writer is unwilling to engage with race and disability.

my charitable reading of this is that the white ablebodied writer doesn't want to write about what they don't know, they don't want to overstep. my neutral reading of this is that the white ablebodied writer doesn't consider how sexuality and gender's material realities are tied to race and ablebodiedness in the real world because they are the Default Categories and it didn't occur to them that kim's experience of them might overlap. my least charitable reading of this without directly falling into the assumption of ill intent is that the white ablebodied writer is uncomfortable with the idea of the fact that their experience of gender and sexuality isn't universal and it's not as emotionally cathartic to think about how they might be racist and ableist because they put on horse blinders and they're trying to write things they like, and understanding this is unpleasant and doesn't belong in their feel-good hobbies.

people love to talk about kim's body without acknowledging the way asian masculinity and femininity exist in relation to whiteness when it's harry or jean in the room. people love to talk about kim's body without engaging with the power relations that exist in many disabled people's sexuality.

the tropes' strength lies in the relatability factor (very high) and the willingness of both author and audience to engage with the canon material for the characters they are writing (very low). and so you end up with a lot of jean character studies about his feelings towards harry (when everyone but kim in the game also knows both harries, but jean is prioritized consistently) and a lot of character studies about kim (that ignore most of the lived experiences of him because they're directly tied to his and his parents' race and alienation that are not particularly cathartic for the white author and reader)

one of the big themes of the game, if not the biggest, is failure. specifically it asks the player to think about what to do when you have failed and you know there are no blank slates, and asks you to empathize not only with harry, whose every thought you're privy to, but to everyone you talk to that has the same rich landscape beyond your brief interaction. when relatability is prioritized in fanworks, this question falls apart, the purpose becomes to find ways in which these characters are like you (the author, the reader) so you can afford them the level of humanity needed to feel emotions about them.

harry's tropification follows four large trends: self-loathing, aggressive addict, psychic omniscient prophet, overwhelmingly emotional and adoring puppy. some authors sometimes are capable of depicting both, usually as if they are unrelated and it's a harry-esque contradiction, but it's truly baffling how rare it is to find stories that engage with all of them or with multiple of them as inextricably bound together like canon material does. harry needs to be relatably lovable (heartbroken, self-loathing, fixable by love, fixable by the universe, capable of change that gets exponentially better) or relatably hateable (physically and emotionally abusive, manipulative, unreasonably needy).

most fics in the relatable lovability fall on the kim/harry ship, most fics in the relatable hateability fall on the jean/harry ship. here's where it ties into the big tropes for kim and jean: the fanworks about a game that asks a question about failure and questioning certainty become stories about inevitability.

jean's vitriol in the game comes from the same place as harry's self loathing: a visceral response to decades of failure. they're not objective truths (i'm thinking about the mirror reveal being intended as a way to make the viewer realize harry isn't a reliable narrator at all, but especially about himself: you see a regular guy, conventionally handsome but clearly in pain and growing old and sick. he calls himself horrible shit, however).

playing up jean's part as the Bridge is comfortable because it allows the player to separate Harry's failures from their agency as a player (something that greatly drives the point of the game home, emotionally speaking -- you're not that different from Harry. Harry's not that different from anyone else he meets. the irreversible failures exist for all of us, as do the chances to try again.) if jean is right in resenting harry, and moreover, he's objectively describing harry's behavior, harry's failures become logical and inevitable consequences of his Way of Being. if Harry calls kim a slur, or threatens children, or scares civilians, that's just because that's how Harry is (according to Jean and Harry's own brain), so the possibility that one of your tries might be meaningfully good becomes... less weighty. it's a fluke, and you'll fail again, so don't get your hopes up. it's almost an excuse to believe that there's nothing new under the sun and going back to old habits is inevitable, but the conclusion becomes "so nothing i do really matters" instead of "it's hard and painful to try again when you've failed so many times before. what does this say about the person who tries?". and in that way jean is an interesting character because understanding why he resents harry for being able to try more freely than him without the weight of memory is important to the theme. what has to click to start climbing out of the grave? can anyone do it? will i ever do it? why now, and why not when i tried to pull him out?

and similarly, when we write about kim, we have to confront what makes him who he is and not another generic character to write, and the fact of the matter is that being a cop, being visibly of seolite heritage, having PTSD, having a visual impairment on record that interferes with his cophood, his cophood being the only identity he appears to have had a choice over, how he treats harry because he's a cop vs. other harry parallels who aren't, how he treats harry whether harry respects him or not... they're important. and trans kim could be a way to approach these themes but it's currently existing in a vacuum of authorial catharsis, and the refusal to address the real politics that give emotional weight to disco elysium is becoming a worrying, overwhelming trend. i urge you all to think about these things a little.

#disco elysium #binomechanisms #note: i am fairly critical with the fandom and you don't have to read this if you don't want to #if you do read it i'd appreciate it if your responses had to do with what i'm talking about and not like. Fanfic Helps Me Cope #second note: i don't dwell much on harry trope trends here because they have remained consistent (in a bad way)

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valtsv · 10 months ago

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New road sign just dropped (courtesy of my unconscious mind)

this is a road sign that i would extend my commute to drive by

#very jenny holzeresque i like it #i appreciate that you could interpret it from multiple angles as well. it could be an interrogation of hypervigilance.#or a call to pay attention to your surroundings and take better care of yourself.#or a reminder that you bear a shared responsibility to build a safer community.#or just a mildly unsettling road sign!

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gorjee-art · 3 months ago

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Boops the little ghost :3

thank you for feeding me

#trick or treat event #i've tried my very best to answer as much as I could so i'm so so sorry if yours did not get a response #however its much appreciated! and I see you!!!

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bonefall · 5 months ago

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the worst parent poll made me realize just how many ppl in the fandom are willing to jump straight into abuse apologia. bc on one hand you have ppl dumbing down crow's abuse to "him just being mean" and on the other end you have ppl saying that curlfeather didnt abuse frostpaw because she sacrificed herself and frost + her siblings love her so she couldnt possibly be an abuser. truly mindboggling stuff take these serious topics away from the fandom asap.

Part of me feels like it's because many in this fandom have a feeling that if a character's actions are abusive, it means you're "not allowed" to like them. Like there's an impulse where if you liked a character, it MUST mean they weren't THAT bad, because you'd personally never like "an abuser."

As if it reflects poorly on your own morality, as a person, that you connected with An Abuser. Understood them, even. Even if it was just a character.

If it's immoral to Like Abusive Characters, of course your reaction is going to end up being abuse apologia. To enjoy something isn't logical, it's emotional, so you will get defensive about it when questioned. When you do, it's not going to be based on logic because you didn't reason yourself into that position in the first place. It's an attack on you as a person.

I feel like that's often the root of abuse apologia in this fandom, and sometimes the world at large; "If I admit that this character/person IS abusive, it means I was doing something bad by liking them, so I have to prove to everyone else that they weren't or it means I'm bad too."

And to that I say... That's a BAD impulse! Grow up and admit you resonated with a character that did a bad thing! If that's an uncomfortable thought, sit with it!

Sometimes abusers are likeable! They usually DO think they're justified in their actions, or doing it for "a good reason," or were just too preoccupied to care. MOST of the time, people who commit abusive actions are also hurt or traumatized in some way. You might even empathize with them. None of this means their actions have to be excused or downplayed.

"Abusers" aren't a type of goddamn yokai, they're people just like you and me. You don't help victims of abuse by putting the people who hurt us in an "untouchable" category.

In fact, all it does is make you less likely to recognize your own controlling behavior. You're capable of abuse. People you love are capable of it, too. People who love YOU can still hurt you.

In spite of how often people regurgitate "It's Ok To Like A Character As Long As You're Critical Of Their Actions," every day it is proven to me further and further that no one who says it actually understands what that means.

All that said; I think it's no contest which one's a worse parent, imo.

They both mistreated their children, but Curlfeather did it through manipulation without verbal or physical abuse. She politically groomed her into a position of power so that she could use her as a pawn. It can be argued if this counts as child abuse-- but it's firmly still under the broad category childhood maltreatment, which is damaging.

(though anon I'm with you 100% at seeing RED when "but she sacrificed herself" is used as an excuse. Curlfeather's death does NOT CHANGE what she did to Frostpaw in life. I think it's a valid point to bring up when comparing her to another terrible parent for judgement purposes, such as in the context of this poll, but I really hate the implication that redemption deaths "make up" for maltreatment.)

Crowfeather, meanwhile, is textually responsible for putting Breezepaw through verbal AND physical abuse, as well as child neglect. His motivations include embarrassment from a hurt ego, revenge on his ex, and being sad because of a dead girlfriend. This abuse drives Breezepelt towards radicalization in the Dark Forest.

You could argue Curlfeather is a worse person for Reedwhisker's murder, but as a parent? It's not even a question to me. Crowfeather's one of the worst dads in WC.

#Recently I've been reading a book on verbal abuse by Patricia Evans #And something I really appreciate about it is the way that it explains the way that abusive people *think*#The way that victim and abuser typically have a WILDLY different view of the world #The most important thing about this book though it how much it stresses that *these impulses are still human*#They play these power games to keep a sense of control in their relationship. It feels GOOD to hurt and dominate their partner.#And even when it describes the worst of humanity and the behaviors that escalate into physical violence--#--the book keeps in mind that anyone could change. But not everyone will. And it is NOT your responsibility as a victim to change them.#Reading it is painful but also very validating.#I wish I'd heard of it several years ago when I was first leaving that relationship lmao #but. How do you reconcile it when one of the most traumatic experiences of your life was an act of love in their eyes?#When it *wasn't* part of a game to hurt you but something they legitimately did in the thought they were protecting you.#You don't even get the satisfaction of having it just be nice and simple. That it was bad and we allll agree it was bad.#Frostie girlie you and me are going out to Carvel's and I'm buying us both a milkshake #warrior cats analysis #child abuse

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turtleblogatlast · 11 months ago

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Something I’ve been thinking about lately is that small moment in “Air Turtle” where immediately after the Daves lose yet another game, Leo says how sorry he is and how he’s doing his best as the mascot. This moment is so short but it’s honestly jam-packed with a whole heap of characterization.

His need to apologize for things clearly not his fault - especially when it feels like he messes up the job he was given despite doing the best he can (the phrase “it’s not about you” takes a new meaning when this is one of the lessons to be learned from that - that he is not always solely responsible for things going wrong), his need to save face and make a connection with an older adult man in his life (something he consistently does throughout the series - he’s got a few daddy issues, always collecting potential father figures, it’s no wonder he jumps at the bit to keep rapport), and the way he sounds and looks and the words he chooses really pushes how he is just a kid (“Mr. the Dunk, I’m so sorry”).

Like I know it’s a one off moment that doesn’t truly mean much, but when put against the rest of the series it works really well with the rest of Leo’s established character and helps in solidifying later concepts as well.

#rottmnt #rise of the teenage mutant ninja turtles #rottmnt leo #rise leo #rottmnt headcanons #am I looking too much into things? almost assuredly yes #I actually appreciate how tim immediately goes ‘it’s not your fault’ as well? like he could’ve just blamed this 15/16 year old but he didn’t #but yeah this moment got to me a little mainly because it made me realize that Leo…DOES take responsibility for things a lot #he messes up a ton yeah but he says sorry at a pretty consistent rate #and y’know thinking about it #THIS IS TINFOIL HAT TERRITORY BE WARNED #he’s mentioned being betrayed by his brothers before - I wonder if it was something as simple as taking the fall for like #breaking something of Splinters or whatever #point is it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for him to get the full blame for something only partially his fault #or not his fault at all in some cases #like in bug busters where Raph gets mad at Leo for not getting captured with them #(I understand Raph’s mindset here a ton - Raph’s the leader and he’s likely lashing out so I don’t blame the poor kid)#but this plus the moment at the beginning of the movie #where only Leo is reprimanded despite Mikey and Donnie having full autonomy to join the fun pizza stacking #make no mistake this is not at all a diss on everyone else!!! it’s just something I noticed #I think that “it’s not about you” doesn’t just pertain to being arrogant and wanting the spotlight #I think it’s also about how responsibility is meant to be shared #and like #Leo DOES mess up a lot! so he’s honestly probably used to having the blame because it is often at least somewhat warranted #he’s specifically described as being good at apologizing after all #tldr: Leo messes up a lot of the time so he is very used to blame and attention both good and bad #even when the full blame should not be solely on his shoulders

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msfcatlover · 5 months ago

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Commissioned the amazing @magua-vida to draw my original Princesses, The Dancer & The Dream! I'm absolutely delighted with how they came out, they both look so pretty and bursting with personality!

For anyone who doesn't want to click through, you get the Dancer if you unlock the Princess's cuff & die of a heart attack, making her flighty but concerned, fussing over your health & safety. The Dream is Dancer's unique Chapter 3, who you get if you fall asleep in the cabin with Dancer fussing over you, and is smotheringly protective to the point of aggression & possessiveness while acting manipulatively sweet & fragile.

She just wants to take care of you... even (or especially) if it means chaining you up to keep you safe.

#slay the princess #stp #stp princess #stp original princess #stp original route #stp alternate route #the shifting mound #shifting mound #slay the princess fanart #stp fanart #stp oc #slay the princess oc #games #characters #commission info #my life #mine #//#Smitten & Paranoid for their respective voices #both because it fits & because it would be fun for those 2 to interact more #Smitten just wants to make her happy and doesn't appreciate so much cruel skepticism being thrown at her.#Paranoid doesn't trust the Dream's sickly sweet demeanor or how fast she cries if you don't give her what she wants.#Also #for the record #I want Dancer to have the reaction of ‘’She seems nice; possibly traumatized by seeing us die. But maybe a little obsessive?’’ that Damsel #gets. And I want Dream to get the ‘’Yes mommy’’ response both when she opens her arms and asks to hold you close and when she pins you #to the floor with the very manacle you freed her from locked around your wrist while she insists that she knows what’s best for you.#I just want the Princess to /actually/ manipulate me guys. I love a woman who can play me like a cheap kazoo.

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cementcornfield · 2 months ago

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[Zac] was just trying to tell me to be happy with the win, and I appreciate that about him. Because I can get lost in, just like everybody can, you get lost in the adversity of the season. You can't take winning for granted and I've tried to get better at that.

#important characterization notes #i do agree that they asked wayyyyyyyy too many questions about the outburst (if you can call it that)#and like....one question about the browns lol #but! i did think this was very interesting #because like. all zac was trying to do was be like 'chill out. we won. be happy!' and joe responding #FUCK THAT IT'S FUCKING EMBARRASSING!!! 😡😡😡#is precious to me #this lil perfectionist. never happy with just winning.#even in a season where those have been exceedingly rare #just like the raiders game! (and i do think it was interesting that he said he can let himself have these outbursts #when they have the game in hand. but they should be blowing out their opponents #like the raiders like the titans. but they aren't. but he feels comfortable anyway.)#verrrrrrry interesting #so calculated even when he seems to be 'losing it'#and then to tie it back to joe'marr. because of course. it's me.#thinking back to that ravens post-game insta live that ja'marr had #of joe apologizing for playing like shit (and not focusing on the fact that they. you know. won the division for 2 years in a row)#and ja'marr assures him he's good and all but doesn't tell him to just be happy #he tells him yeah. you did fuck up on some stuff. but you're good. you're good.#i dunno. ja'marr noted joe handler! versus how zac handled it lol #(also joe emphasizing that he didn't want the yelling all the time in your face coach.)#(let's not forget he dealt with that already with urban lol)#and even in this response saying that he appreciated what zac was doing #ANYWAY just rambling at this point #joe burrow #zac taylor #cincinnati bengals

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yameoto · 2 months ago

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good morning yam. just wanted to make you aware that the first thing i do when i wake up every morning is check your blog, without fail.

the way you write is so enamouring that i will read every and all things you put out, even for IP's i have never seen, and i never once struggle to grasp what's going on bc you write them so good.

anyway that's it. thank you for existing and creating. (also spn!quinn au is godly and i will take every crumb i can get)

-🕸️

ugh spiderweb emoji u made me all sappy today.. from the bottom of my heart. thank you to all who take the time out of their day to read what i write! seriously. while i know i am a shoddy inbox replier (2600..) know i read every single one (even those little appreciative thank yous to those screaming for girldick) and whilst i don’t post all of them. my heart leaps in appreciation each time. and those who like all of my posts. and have been there for a while, months, even the whole entire year! i adore you all. you’re all so lovely. i recognise each pfp and grin just a little.

also i have a seperate google doc entirely dedicated to writing early spn seasons with spn!quinn. so to those 3 anons and two people (whom i know of) who actually read that shit. know that you are the reason my heart goes on. like seriously. you stick by me while i post supernatural x glee fanfiction like its 2011. who does that.

#i feel as if i don’t voice my appreciation for u guys ENOUGH like some of u have been here SINCE I BEGUN #also to note; i have a wealth of drafts in response to allll your various inboxes. locked and loaded.#even to my misc fandoms #10s of wips #spn!q rewrites: djinn episode…. flashback episode…. pre!au fabray sisters …. stanford!era ….#all this to say: thank you are all my darlings #even if you discovered me 2 days ago because of girldick!caitlyn #🕸️

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sugarpasteltmnt · 11 months ago

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(whispers) hey friends I appreciate your excitement but gentle reminder it’s not very polite to ask fanfic writers when the next chapter is gunna come out

#remember friends: fanfic writers do this for fun when they have enough down time and wanna write #I’m an adult with a lot of adult responsibilities going on!!#again I appreciate your enthusiasm but ur just gunna have to trust me #ESPECIALLY since I sort of have a posting schedule #gentle reminder that fic writers shouldn’t need a schedule ever #I just have one because it keeps me on my toes #and that’s just a personal preference #but even then it’s just sort of a rough guideline— sometimes life stuff happens!!#and remember!!! a chapter that takes time will always be better than a rushed one #sorry to pop off but ya girl has had. A Week.#I’m not mad just a little tired #probably gunna delete tomorrow #but for now g’d night #pastel prattling

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lezstat · 6 months ago

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surprised i haven’t seen anyone talking abt this parallel. jacob & delainey’s lil comforting shoulder touches🥺(no wonder everyone always gushes about those two in interviews, how could u not adore them? sweethearts. gaaah this whole cast is so solid <3)

#i really adore and respect when celebs are this earnest #like #when they’re visibly nervous and invested in the fan’s response #that kind of vulnerability #it’s what puts the /feeling/ in it !!#bc that’s how you know they rlly care abt what they’re creating #it’s the magic that moves media from ‘content’ to art #and putting your art out there for the whole world is a scary fkn thing to do!#ppl really don’t appreciate that enough these days #god. i’ll never have enough kudos to give this production #also #not to parasocial on main #(well. this isnt my main lmao)#BUT #it’s so sweet seeing how much more comfortable he (&the whole cast) has become each year #you can seeeee the physical difference in anxiety in just these gifs #i’m glad it seems like the world doesn’t feel so close to ending for him this time around:’)#iwtv #delainey hayles #sam reid #jacob anderson #sdcc #my gifs!#my posts tag:)

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dotterelly · 6 months ago

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Really enjoying the various notes from people on my post about emduo. What I am gathering from the community response is that Philza and Techno can be summed up by the phrase "some are born great, others have greatness thrust upon them".

Except in this case it's Philza was born chaotic, Technoblade had chaos thrust upon them.

Also Philza is probably the leash kid in this equation.

#philza #technoblade #emerald duo #emduo #thanks to everyone leaving fun tags and responses with your own analysis #as I've said I'm pretty new to everything #I've just finished watching through all the SMPEarth vods #and because it's just how my brain works I'm slowly working through Philza's s4 hardcore vods in order #I'm up to January 2020 so far #so i know i don't have the deepest knowledge of this and i appreciate all the comments from those that know better than i do

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deadpoetsandlivinglegends · 7 days ago

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Something something our lives are echo chambers and we just keep repeating the same motions

#I swear I didn’t try this time #I was innocently making a silly little keating post and then I saw these two gifs together and I was like hold on wait a minute hold up #cause why would they do this to us; why would they mirror the same scenes at the highest and lowest point of the movie foreshadowing it in #the wickedest of ways like thank god they cut this cause the girlies woulda gone sicko in the theatre like how dare they #the fact that it’s those same boys and it’s followed by Mr Perry saying he holds Keating directly and solely responsible like these scenes #woulda gone so much harder had they left it in the movie like bruh what the actual fuck #I’m just trying to make a silly little keating post and I have to put it on pause to share this parallel like a prophet sending a message #lord I am not your strongest soldier stop making me need to share the most devastating news like your sick and twisted little angel of pain #dead poets society #mr keating #john keating #worst part is I know Mr keating would have to reluctantly appreciate the cinematic parallels like he would give the most somber look but be #satisfied that at least it was poetic even if it was likely one of the worst tragedy of multiple people’s lives #dps #guess I also need to include the one in the coffin in the tags huh #neil perry #dps symposium

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moeblob · 2 months ago

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Huevember 22

Brent, the most expressive bard to ever bard.

#my characters #oops i fell in love #i love brentholomew the bard #brent just deadpanning his support is wonderful and karen appreciates it a lot #because hey man brents hilarious esp due to the dryness and she really loves chatting with him #so having him as her support for bardic inspiration so she can murder just brings her so much joy #right and karen probably hype him up in game as a petty rivalry to paul and his npc hot bardtender #like yeah you might have your npc of your crush but WE have the better bard look hes wonderful #hes practically glowing look at him paul do you see the superior bard #and brent is just staring at paul and paul is staring back and they both dont know what to say in the situation #bc what is there to say? i prefer the npc? or maybe point out that the four are literally in a party together?#like sure hb is an npc but paul is actively running around in game with brent and like.... what do you say #brent doesnt actually want to point out theyre in the same group bc then karen and right will stop antagonizing paul #and honestly nothing against paul but its fun to watch him get quiet and confused #chris is off to the side begging them all to focus on the actual campaign - they can hype brent up later please just focus #which is a nice contrast to right having to play responsible adult at the police station #now chris has to wrangle the other adults and also keep them focused good luck!#i love brent a lot im totally biased bc hes my depression as an oc C:#so he means a lot to me and his lack of socialness and his childhood emotional neglect is a la my experiences #like brents my depression and rights my anxiety #smoosh them together and theyre soul mates haha how very ace of me as ive said before #but also i main bard in ffxiv when i play which is also possibly the bias for brent to be a bard in the dnd au #gang im so tired

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gomzdrawfr · 27 days ago

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mythology anon here again! Totally sorry for the late reply, I fell asleep before you answered my other ask lol

as for Orpheus and Eurydice, there isn’t much about either of them that isn’t mainstream myth other than a few cool details that come from oral discrepancies

for one, it’s very well possible that Orpheus had been a completely mortal Thracian king who fell in love with a nymph and wooed her with his song, but he could’ve also been the son of Apollo and the muse, Calliope- which would’ve explained why Apollo gave him his golden lyre in the first place

Orpheus was also said to have brought the worship of various gods to different regions during his travels

Orpheus also operated as a part of the Argonauts to help them escape from the Sirens

In some variations of the myth, Eurydice was killed by a viper that had been sent by her jealous sisters, while in others she fell into a pit of them escaping an assaulting satyr

and in one or two variations, Orpheus actually didn’t look back because of pride or fear or hubris, he’d just made it out of the underworld and looked back before Eurydice could as well

(that last one might be false, I vaguely remember some book talking about it, but I’ve read a good bit on Greek mythology, and I’ve only seen is corroborated on a lone Reddit thread- from which I quickly got distracted by a story of a non-consensual Dionysus ritual/offering 😬 [he would not like that])

-humble mythology anon 🏺

:o ooooooooooo nods nods nods thank you for sharing I love that

I’ve been seeing a few of their stories in ig, and so I wanted to learn sum about them :3

Some stuff I saved

#if you’ve followed me long enough yk my brain immediately went ok priceraven #BDJSJJD #im attracted to tragedy #which im aware there are many in greek mythology #idk if this one’s greek btw but the story of why roses are red suddenly popped up in my mind as i type this #like…was it sum where a goddess once loved roses very much and a mortal(?) was like bet lemme give you all the roses and they fell in love #then some god(?) was being jealous and killed that mortal and painted the roses red with their blood and the goddess was like NOOO and sum #then roses became love flowers #i could be rambling nonsense #it could very well be just a made up story LMAO #thank you anon i really appreciate your stories i like them #🏺anon #ask response #thanks for the ask <3

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