#Helluva Boss criticism

[hasbrohotel]

i can't be the only one who thinks that's a terrible idea right

[sophieabigail2021]

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[carto0ncritter]

seriously? Now you're just hating on Vivziepop for no reason! Hear me out! Stolitz is very very Very complex and deep. If you actually watched the show you would realize that Stolas and Blitz's relationship has a lot of complicated emotions and there's so many stories and arcs that stitch this beautiful relationship together. Their relationship has literally everything to you could ever ask for. It has the drama, action, tender moments, a rollercoaster of complexity to tug on the hearts of fans and queer folks, tension between them to add more flavor that adds so much to the shows plots. We love stolitz because of how deep their relationship is and their merch tells us and even deeper story and everything about their relationship is just perfect. You just don't understand vivs vision of her amazing queer writing. Viv put her heart and soul into her characters each telling their own stories even the women. Some are more complex than others with bigger roles but it's perfect just the way it is!!! As for Loona, Loona is literally the most well developed female character in the show and unlike people like you that don't watch the show you would realize that Loona isn't abusive, she can be seen being one of the sweetest and toughest girls in the show. Hello? She comforted Octavia, comforted blitz and drove him home, got him water, called him dad TWICE, she loves her father, she's a good sister to Octavia, she is literally the funniest girl in the show and all her jokes land! Maybe you just don't understand her humor?? Maybe you're just boring??? her backstory is very complex and filled with lots of mystery and filled to the brim with everything we need to know about her. We don't need to see everything because the information given was already there when she was at the pound. It's very emotional being in her position even scary. Maybe instead of hating so much without evidence then maybe you should go back and watch the show again??? Loona, blitzo, and Stolas are very well rounded characters and are not toxic. Side note the post about the plushies? Loona does not look fxcked up her face is perfect, her plush is her best looking yet so far! and stolitz are adorable together maybe your just mad you can't afford to buy merch of the greatest written Vivziepop characters in the show???

Viv, that you?

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

The First Two Seasons Should Have Been About Collecting As Many Guests To Prove The Hotel Could Work

Seriously, the hotel guests could have been characters developed from the early concepts including Mimzy, Baxter, Crymini, and even Villa. Sir Pentious and Cherri Bomb joined but it was muddled down by squishing in the heaven plot line that shouldn't have been there when we are not yet establishing characters. Seriously, by getting as much guests as possible you could work towards developing side characters we can come to enjoy and attach ourselves. They don't have to be the center of every episode but we can see them converse among the main cast and their fellow patrons so we can feel the hotel is thriving and might have a chance. Also we can have different characters try out the hotel for different motives than redemption like Mimzy using Al to hide her from loan sharks and she obliges. Cherri Bomb joining to be near to Angel Dust and gradually dropping her more toxic enabling traits to become a better person for his sake.

Seriously, there was so much potential in patron hunting yet it was thrown away to get too fast to the grand stuff. That would mean leave Lucifer for season three so that the heaven half can be used for later but be in the lingering background. I could see each patron coming in and having their own song that tells about themselves and their motives in life. I also would loved it to show how they got into hell and none of that I am a victim of society bs, but genuine things they did in life that condemned them and then realize over the series they need to improve themselves to become better people.

I am thinking they should make Villa a hellhound hellborn who joins because she could be a worker for Velvette and wants to get away from her. I think it could open the idea of Charlie also looking out for hellborns and could double the hotel as a refuge. And to emphasize the Crymini is a hyena and a sinner.

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

Vivziepop really needs to learn that not EVERYONE watches livestreams especially people who just found Hazbin Hotel on their amazon prime and chose to watch it (while not knowing that the creator have a youtube channel where the rest of the lore can be found behind patreon or livestreams).

Viv should do what Alex does, release some lore in the form of a book kinda like the book of Bill

Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss in a nutshell:

[demiaroacejadeharley]

Seeing discussions about ableism within Vivziepop's work, I wouldn't be shocked if Viv created an Autistic character where they face ableism from other characters or that said character is "cured" of their Autism after ending up in hell or heaven.

[theoddest1]

Lmaoooo

Edit:

Samantha is a Story Artist, Animator, and Animation BFA who works for Viv on both HH and HB.

2nd Edit: Some of y'all need to chill in the comments with certain things you say. It ain't finna make any point come across decently with how you spread some info. I get being mad at some of the reactions, don't get me wrong, but bring it back down slow plz.

[autumnteawithfriends]

The Pinterest side of HH/HB slander is underrated

As a bonus, some GOATED comments

(NOTE! None of these were made by me and I cropped some images so stans don’t harass these people)

[sprinkleonthatcriticism]

SO TRUE MAN-- You see stans making thread up threads on twitter that explains why Stella is a rapist or why x character is bad but if is someone like Stolas or Valentino, suddenly their quiet.

Maybe you'll have a few people voicing their dislike for Stolas and Valentino that are part of the HH/HB standom but the most people who DO actually speak out about those characters are either former fans or critics of the series.

So i saw @cinnamon-st1ckz meme of Sunny Street and i decide fuck it, i'm going make meme too because why not lol.

[skyx-the-witch]

Vivziepop male character: *is supposed to be hot and attractive. Canonically everyone wants to fuck him, he is flirty, confident and makes everyone fall in love with him as soon as he appear. Hes got the best voice actor to make the most masculine and attractive voice to match his supposed sexiness. Everyone in the fandom talks about how he makes them wet their panties*

The fucking character design:

[arteicetb]

I don’t think I care for Pansexual man X horny Twink that invades his boundaries

[80rosequartz08]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)

[carto0ncritter]

You and the other anti’s take on Stolas are dumb as hell.

I bet I know who this ask's from

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

your a hater you suck just like all of ur followers stolitz is good octavia is in the way of the gay boys deal with it

Of course, dumb stans putting their toxic ship over a neglected child. You really have your priorities right.

[showtoonzfan]

A recent article came out about the mistreatment and pay of Spindlehorse employees, please spread this around.