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Husk/Al and Angel/Val Comparison
Both Husker and Angel Dust are living in the same shit sandwich, but how are their situations different?
The chains
Whenever the chain that Val has on Angel is depicted, itâs always short and misty. Itâs usually around Angelâs hand
Alâs chain on Husk is long, clear, and around Huskerâs neck
Woah, definite contrast.
Chain length:
Huskâs chain is long, showing that he can usually do as he pleases. Alastor only occasionally needs Husk, but in general, Husk can be independent. In addition, Al usually lets a lot slide with Husk in terms of sass, sarcasm, and attitude.
Angelâs chain is short and easily tugged upon by Valentino. Angel has a nearly 24/7 obligation to Val and to his job. Angel canât really step even slightly out of line, except for outside of work (but even then, the very next day Val will punish Angel at work).
Chain opaqueness:
Defined and structured, Huskâs leash-like chain is impossible to break out of. Interestingly, this also suggests that the deal/contract Alastor crafted was much more loophole-proof and solid than Valâs. Huskâs entrapment is physical and undeniable.
Angelâs misty chain has more flexibility to it, and we even occasionally see Angel try to tug himself out of it. Although itâs definitely there (as Val often likes to remind Angel of), itâs more so symbolic, as above all, Val has emotional control over Angel.
Chain placement:
Huskâs chain is around his neck, like a collar of ownership. Ownership not only of his body, but of his soul. This points back to the fact that Husk literally traded his soul to Alastor. However, itâs also a bit easier to forget about the collar-like placement, especially if heâs grown used to it, that is at least until itâs tugged upon.
The placement of Angelâs chain being around his hand provides a much higher emphasis on Angelâs body, as that is what Val âownsâ. The chain is always there (whether physically or metaphorically), right in front of Angel, and he canât ignore it.
Bonus:
Angelâs chain is red/pink, symbolizing emotions and (to an extent forced) lust. Whereas Huskâs is green, symbolizing the greed that drove Husk to trade his soul in the first place.
#hazbin hotel husk#husk hazbin hotel#husk#husker#husker hazbin hotel#angel dust#angel#angel hazbin hotel#angel dust hazbin hotel#husk and angel dust#alastor#alastor hazbin hotel#radio demon#valentino#valentino hazbin hotel#hazbin hotel#vivziepop#they both deserve so much better#at least they have eachother#we stan a happy healthy platonic relationship#or romantic I donât mind#huskerdust#symbolism#ooooooo
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The polycule that wards off curses with salt circles together stays together
#that scene was in the promo picks and i still lost it seeing the three of them together#we stan a healthy poly relationship#ofmd#ofmd season 2 spoilers#ofmd s2#ofmd jim#ofmd oluwande#ofmd archie#jim jimenez#jim/archie#jim/oluwande#jim polycule#our flag means death#our flag means gay#olu jim archie polycule
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The Mario Movie may not be perfect, but it single-handedly squashed the âBad big brother Marioâ narrative that has been prevalent in the fandom for years and for that reason alone it deserves to be nominated for an Oscar.
#listen#Mario and Luigi adore each other#i will not stand for the bad brother Mario Slander any longer#mario bros#super mario movie#luigi and mario#Mario bros my beloved#we stan healthy sibling relationship over here#no more Mario mistreats Luigi propaganda#the mario movie#super mario bros#luigi#Mario#mario movie#luigi movie
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actually you know i bitch about shb!thancred a lot and how his whole arc in the expac (as well as in post-hw letâs be real) reduces minfilia to haunting the narrative and also he doesnât always treat ryne great, BUT,
i would be lying if i didnât say that his relationship with ryne makes me uh, fucking cry. the fact that his first instinct when he hears that she exists and that she is being locked away and abused by a theocratic dictatorship with the largest military in the world is to go free her as soon as possible no matter the cost makes me cry. the fact that even with all his butthurt and trauma and his flaws he has the presence of mind to eke out some semblance of family with her and urianger makes me cry. the fact that he teaches her how to defend herself first makes me cry. the fact that despite everything he fucking pulls his head out of his ass and learns to relate to her as a real father and child instead of a standin for someone he misses makes me cry. the fact that despite everything ryne keeps him in her life and in her heart makes me cry. thanks for coming to my ted talk
#cyborg rambles#it's just.#when stories about found family happen it's usually all perfect right away#like#you find your people and you find that they're going to keep you safe and make you feel loved and everything's better immediately#the ryne and thancred relationship is complicated in a lot of ways#and the fact that they are able to love each other so dearly and ultimately in a healthy way despite the flaws and fuckups at the outset#its just#yells#we stan a traumatized playboy who becomes a queer af dad
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very much this... cr.
#i saw this hours ago but i came across this tweet again#and it made me think about how i learned how to not put people i stan on insane pedestals#bc when they made bad decisions or something very ignorant#i would get insanely disappointed and sad abt it for a very long time#not that i don't think even if you have a healthy view abt people you stan#you can't be disappointed but#i feel like when you do this actively and you think your faves can't do no wrong#and then they do it's very different#what i've observed for the past few months is that#some people might not even realize they are doing this#and i feel like on twt it's so bad#especially with the whole 'you have to stream or you are bad fan' time of mentality#that it ended up creating this environment of having to do#everything for these idols no matter what#some people are so against boycotts bc of this#and have a very unhealthy relationship with stanning culture#and i say this from a very personal experience but#my view on stanning groups change drastically the moment i started to be on tumblr full time#and i remember the exact moment where i thought wow i've been#doing it wrong this whole time and that's why i was so miserable#i will not go into details bc this is getting long#but i do intent to do an extended essay (sorta kinda) about this soon#bc i feel like it's something that we need to sincerely discuss#and how awful it is to perpetuate these behaviors#tris.txt
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fun fact dump because i got feels and i must unleash them. eve is actually a very wonderful partner and lover- she can and will get lovey-dovey with you, kisses entire faces, makes flower crowns with your colors, pda?? all of it. the whole works you get. she was basically created to be submissive and over all the ideal partner and mother of humanity, while after eden and death- she is more difficult to get that side of her to surface again ( and added possessiveness : D ). eden eve however ?? girl is disney princess type of love. she will climb trees in order to pick you the sweetest fruits or whatever you like.
#âž â° â apples peaches pears . â ⧸ â° out of char âą#âž â° â sweet apples that fall into your hands . â ⧸ â° char study âą#// eden eve was such a sweet and wholesome woman#// you will have to deprive this idea from my cold dead fingers#// she was just overall too curious and craved adventure which lead to downfall#// BUT HEY SHE IS ACTUALLY A GOOD LOVER : D#// WE STAN HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS#// EVEN IF THEY INVOLVE MURDER#// SOMETIMES YOU NEED TO SPICE THINGS UP OKAY???
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i hate the term âengland stanâ bro i literally just like him. i hate how heâs the only character where people have to put a disclaimer âi like him but heâs a bad bad man because iâm one of the good onesâ no man i like him and i think heâs a good person and somehow everyone gets to think this about every character but him. and if we do think this weâre âstansâ for not wanting him to be a bigot or whatever
#imagine if we used the term ârussia stanâ#people would be like literally what are you talking about#idk like maybe i want him to love his husband and be able to cultivate healthy relationships#good people are realistic too
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realllly really wanna write a fic of shredder and splinter as young kids bc when a relationship falls out you start to see the tiniest of red flags that hardly ever bothered you before they blew up into what they are now
#just like small stories of them as kids#and like splinter reflecting#he calls shredder âbrotherâ like i think we forget a lot that they spent their entire childhood together#obviously tang shenâs (and karaiâs presumed) death takes the cake but#he must have been devastated that his own BROTHER would just turn on him like that#and iâm not saying their relationship as kids wouldâve been healthy either#i just wonder what it was like#and i want more content of it#imagine like a tale of two stans but 800x more toxic and sad and bitter and ow#tmnt 2012#tmnt#2012 tmnt#tmnt 2k12#2012 splinter#2012 shredder#tmnt splinter#tmnt shredder#mine
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wasn't me no one in this home of mine voted for anything of the sort and most likely anyone I know didn't either. I forget how many ppl live in the uk sometimes peace and love to the william wanters well and truly
#HONESTLY. not suprised though british mothers in their late 30s-40s i see you grandmas i see u the gay men peeping ur head out the corner#i see the princess fantasy it is not without its flowers i see it all and i meet u with acceptance#hes not ugly tho i'm the type where i don't think anyone really is or i haven't had that sort of reaction to anyone so idk though#also tbh idk how many ppl are actually taking those tests.. unless harry styles was on there because the fans the stans will get their favs#the acalades the little titles if they can with speed could be best juggler best dog shit picker upper best at climbing shit they love it#they love it all. their twitter handles at the top that shit gets cropped in obis paint on their iphone and put on twt like a proud parent#(i get it in that sense though its steering off the william topic matter)#with their kids art. was 1ce real in2 kpop and i got out to my benefit lot of shit long story i'm glad i'm in a better place now#since i got into in in probs objectively my darkest or some of my darkest not that u cant like kpop or talk about it or be in that scape#in a way thats positive or like healthy with me it was just not healthy unfortunately. my relationship is better with it now and i still#interact with content personally and more casually. i-#still have alot of love and appreciation for what ppl meant to me even if its different now i still have so much love for shit. just not so#deeply in the environment yk that round and round#standom as previous.. no doubt at the time i was thirsty for distraction i cudnt handle myself or my life basically my#life feeling like a fuckn tornado that was pissing on me so i probably no matter what were going to find vices but i have no doubt about th#talents and passion and artistry over there. all the racism and colourism n shit that just felt constant had a part#my conduction#what i surrounded me with my landscape because its a lot of inter like personal connections and heavy online bonding n just mess where its#like my fckn life force just i was screaming from the inwards outwards and still deaf to it. for me it was a host it turns out 2 be for man#cant track my gradual change really other than a year or maybe between 2 years we grow still thbink about stuff i hate myself for doing#the change happened gradually and naturally i feel though it all had dramatics its hard to track#there was shit before that when i was even younger and oh hellscape i fear it was bumpy i'm not gonna say it got better with age or smth#cause i dont believe thats true atleast not entirely i hate all of it i some of the connections i made are so key in my growth and i have s#nice wonderful like irrefutable memories i hope ppl r doing well so bad so bad some i even want to talk to again but i know for me i cant#give in 2 that pull and the day if i reconnect i will and hopefully there'll be wonderful ppl to reconnect with in that case to meet me#its all ever changing if i think differently in the future i do i just hope that will be me coming to understand myself and development#being hyper critical of myself tho i talk about me like i jumped through hoops to do detestable shit so its a balancing game and im wonky#its the fans the stans or its the royal family entourage they are vivid in my head or the ppl who came across it and decided to just add-#their 2 sence or saw it and were like hehe this is so unserious im going to be mischevious or take the piss lol#all of which get their acknowledgement its all fun and games truly those who take it serious will and shall however
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very useful things to script for your kpop drs cause goddamn
ৠmy mental health never gets affected in any way ৠour company gives us therapy / our company has a good therapist ৠmy members are never affected by hate ৠour company doesn't put us on extreme diets/or any diets (if you script no weight gain) ৠwe get along with our members / not co-worker relationship ৠwe are never overworked and our schedules aren't too full all the time ৠmembers always in sync ৠalways passionate / never lazy ৠwe always get full nights rest ৠcompanies don't mistreat us/abuse us ৠwe get along with staff and have a good professional bond with our staff ৠidols do not bully each other ৠmembers aren't attracted to my crushes/s.o ৠno drama with members ৠwe don't always need to eat healthy (cus uh uh đ) ৠour physical health is never put at risk ৠour fandom is not toxic or creepy ৠour fandom consists of mostly women (personal preference) ৠor none of the men in our fandom are weird and the women ৠolder fans arent creepy (im talking like 30's 40's) ৠno saesangs ৠour fans aren't parasocial ৠeach member is treated fairly and with respect ৠour company doesn't put us in debt/we dont have debt ৠour company lets us have freedom (dating, leaving the building/dorms etc) ৠno creepy staff ৠwe are not underpaid/paid unfairly ৠshooting mvs is fun ৠour company covers up for us and defends us (dating, personal privacy etc not scandals) ৠwe get creative freedom/our ideas get acknowledged ৠour company isn't shady !!! ৠworld tours are actually world tours (as a south african stan) ৠno airport mobs ৠfans respect us/listen to us ৠwe can connect with fans and not be parasocial ৠour fans make fire edits (AUGHHHH) ৠour fans do not ship us...(unless platonic) ৠfans aren't jealous rabid animals (male x female interactions for context) ৠwe aren't forced to get surgery ৠeven if we get surgery fans are supportive/aren't weird ৠk-netz are normal. ৠk-nez aren't no.1 priority ৠint fans are also taken into consideration (these are for seunghan) ৠvariety shows are fun ৠvariety show hosts aren't weird ৠwe do NOT need to do aegyo (optional..) ৠarmys/blinks/stays are normal ৠmakeup is always done perfectly and suitable for your skintone ৠ(for my black shifters) you can always wear your natural hair out and you can get a silk press that comes out perfectly ৠ(for my black shifters) dye, straightening etc will not damage your hair (this can apply for all hair types actually) your hair is strong ৠour fans are funny ৠour fans aren't cringey ৠi genuinely care for my fans.... ৠi'm not stuck up ৠim humble ৠour fans help other groups if they ever experience a black ocean (im looking at u czennie đ˝) ৠscript fandom friends ex: tokki, nctzen, onedoor etc (will help for backup đđ) ৠno stupid fanwars ৠyou are _th gen it girl/boy ৠmc bank is fun and silly not memorized expressions and lines (from what ive heard from other shifters) you get to be yourself ৠmale idols arent weird (female too but mostly men) ৠall male idols with sexual assault charges get death penalty (not just idols) HAPPY SHIFTING đ¸đ¸đ¸đ¸ do not !! copy my shit im watching you
#ideas to script#things to script#kpop dr#kpop shifting#shiftblr#reality shifting#shifting#shifting antis dni#shifting blog#shifting motivation#reality shifter#shifting community#anti shifters dni#shifting help
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Someone called Bill Cipher and Ford Pines a doomed soulmates pairing and I haven't been able to stop thinking about that.
Being doomed soulmates, to me, always felt intrinsically tragic. One of the few examples I could think off hand are Achilles and Patroclus, two people loved each other so much but they weren't destined for happiness. Greek heroes 99% of the time never are. Soulmates as a trope is defined in someone being destined to end up with their perfect match.
That's why Bill and Ford being doomed soulmates is so utterly fascinating. BillFord is probably the most anti-romantic pairing Gravity Falls (show) could honestly conjure. So much of that pairing is built on manipulation, lies and transaction. Bill is using Ford to get into the a physical realm so he can rule it, while Ford is idly using Bill to learn more things about the unnatural side of the world. So those two being soulmates on any level is going to be anything but healthy. I mean, even in the show, Bill tortures Ford for information.
Furthermore, it can be used in such fascinating theories and AUs. When we read the story as them as explicit doomed soulmates, while pairing information we have from the show and fandom theories you can bring to life fun concepts.
When the show was airing, there was a theory post-ATOTS that Blendin Possesed By Bill had messed with Ford's project to further ruin it than Stan had. Which is why it looked more damaged coupled with the "Blendin was here" with a triangle right there in the episode. So what if it was Bill that ruined the project? That would make the Stan Twins fight and go their separate ways, while this intentionally led Ford right down the path to meet Bill eventually in Gravity Falls. The path that eventually lead to their partnership, Ford being pushed into the portal, 30 years trapped in the Dream Dimension, and later, Bill's defeat.
And that's just one idea I came up for some random fanfiction floating in my brain. The reason I even like that particular concept is that it does more than absolve Stan of wrongdoing, but rather shows you how twisted Bill Cipher could be. There's more you can do with it. Doomed soulmates destined to find each other, and destined to ruin each other. Bill being half the reason Ford was pushed through portal or how he let Ford go insane through fear while Ford being a part of the Cipher Zodiac that could vanquish Bill or using the memory gun on Bill to erase him from existence.
It's so interesting because even if BillFord isn't my ship, you can unpack so much through their dynamic through this lens. Like what makes them click together and what drives them apart.
You guys might have already realized all this, but I just needed to get this off my chest. Finding out more about Bill and Ford's relationship has altered me on a fundamental level. Doomed Soulmates is actually the most appropriate way to define it. How else would you define it?
Thank you for listening to me, a semi-casual fan of Gravity Falls.
#billford#the book of bill#bill cipher#ford pines#stanford pines#gravity falls#doomed soulmates#lumi rambles#gravity falls meta
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ship discourse is unserious but the "who would treat fiddleford better" arguments on tumblr are crazy to me because have we all forgotten nuance? anyways here's a relationship analysis:
fiddauthor has its own unhealthy aspects because ford not only tunnel-visioned on his research to the point of dismissing fiddleford, he was also being actively isolated by his abuser (bill), who was turning the two against each other. and, at the same time, fiddleford was actively lying to ford about the memory gun, then used it on ford, a complete violation of trust. in alex hirsch's own words, fiddleford was like a yes-man to ford (until he wasnt), to the detriment of both of them.
but also they found solace in each other, as two outcasts with similar interests. even if ford could be dismissive at times with his gifts, its so clear that he valued fiddleford as his one friend, that they found so much enjoyment in each other's company in both college and in gravity falls. and ignoring that is doing them both a disservice! none of the hurt they inflicted on each other was done out of malice; they were being slowly broken down by the environment around them.
fiddlestan is more difficult to dissect for obvious reasons but comparing stan's past failed relationships to a hypothetical one with fiddleford is a moot point. we're working with a vastly different scenario here. stan would need fiddleford to stay in his desperation to save ford, and fiddleford could be easily guilt-tripped despite his trauma. would stan be an asshole to fiddleford? yeah, he would probably grow impatient with fiddleford's anxiety, and they would have very clashing personalities and interests, along with bad trust issues. fiddleford would be very reliant on the memory gun at this point, and they both would be at their mental lowest: it would not be an easy or healthy relationship.
but at the same time, it's not difficult to see how two very broken people could find solace in each other, especially due to a shared grief. its a unique situation that only they could understand, so of course it would make sense that fiddleford's desire to fix vs stan's abandonment issues would lead to something, for better or for worse. at the end of the day, they both understand the broken bonds of family and they both want to feel needed. it's not farfetched to speculate that they'd find comfort in each other.
anyways. i love these three very flawed, very hurt, and very human individuals. i think they're capable of causing each other a lot of pain. they do cause each other a lot of pain. but also they grow and they heal, and it pains me to see people reduce them to their singular actions. (but also the jokes are funny so yknow...i get it carry on)
#are u guys gonna hate me for tagging the ships#fiddauthor#fiddlestan#long post#its upsetting to see people make out ford to be this supervillain and its equally upsetting to see people unable to comprehend#the more emotional side to stan that we clearly see in his relationship to wendy/soos/the twins#while also ignoring fiddlefords own failings#at the end of the day i guess fiddleford wouldnt end up with as severe brain damage with stan than ford#is that really a win when the bar is that low
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The disproportionate hate show!Criston gets is so bizarre. No argument Iâve seen his haters make sofar has made any sense to me.
He is outside of Mysaria the only siginficant lowborn character we meet. He rises up from the son of a steward of a minor house to the position of Kingâs Guard thanks to Rhaenyra, who then pressures him into having sex with her, sth that could get him executed. Afterwards she not just rejects his proposal, but laughs in his face.
And when as a result of this experience Criston is shown to be emotional distraught and bitter, people call him an incel? (I assume that they refer to his ideology and not his actual status as a celibate, because not being celibate is literally what started this mess)
It really rubs me the wrong way, when people remove all context from this situation. A lower class person getting a well-off position from a person with authority, who they then end up having sex with is ALWAYS a relationship with a power imbalance (Obviously there are irl relationships like this, who work out and manage to be relatively healthy, but that doesnât remove the imbalance of power and the increased likelyhood of abuse).
We see Cristonâs reluctance when Rhaenyra makes her move. It does not matter if Criston was attracted to her or not. The simple fact that he is in a vunerable position makes him denying her a risk. It also does not matter that Rhaenyra had no malicious intentions, the simple fact that she ignores Cristonâs refusal and continues pressuring make this whole scene super uncomfortable. Her ignorance and naivety does not erase the impact of her actions.
Criston growing to hate her afterwards is perfectly justified.
As a man who grew up in Westerosi society, he inevitably holds misogynist beliefs, which is reflected in the insults he uses after this. But compared to the acts of every single character on this show, singling out his character is pretty ludicrous, when we have plenty of male (and female) characters who have done worse:
Like commiting SA (Viserys, Aegon), grooming young girls (Viserys again! I really hate this man, Daemon, Otto, Corlys and Rhaenys because telling your daughter she has to sleep with a grown man when she is 14 is pretty much the same thing Otto does to Alicent) and the only major crime Criston is guilty of sofar: murder (Daemon killed his wife and the servant in Driftmark, also he did large scale police violence which people love to forget about, Rhaenys killed potentially hundreds of smallfolk at the coronation)
Obviously, anybody is allowed to dislike whatever character they want, but a lot of people flatten Criston into just a misogynistic bitter incel who is just mad that Rhaenyra has sex, ignoring every bit of context we get for his behaviour.
This becomes escpecially weird, when those same people have no problem stanning Daemon, who calls his 1st wife a âbitchâ, âuglier than sheepâ and then murders her, because he sees her as inferior as a none-valyrian. But Criston calling Rhaenyra, a person he feels personally wronged by, a âspoiled cuntâ is apparently a too far.
It is just really frustating when the character with the canonically lowest social standing gets afforded the least amount of nuance by the fandom (the writers are obvs not excempt from this criticism either).
#There are also people who like to bring up Christonâs age relativ to Rhaenyra and accuse him of being predatory towards her#This is dumb because for one this still doesnât erase the power imbalance#Nor has Christon ever been shown to make an inappropriate move towards her#Also them having a significant age gap in the show is debatable (book Criston is another matter)#We never get a clear age for Christon Fabien never being aged up doesnât help either#But based on context clues he is relatively young when we first meet him#He is a knight and fought in one war that doesnât mean anything when we have characters who are 16 and are full fledged knights in asoiaf#So he might be anywhere from 18/19 to early twenties when Rhaenyra is 14 in ep1#Rhaenyra in the ep4 is 18 so at most Criston would be 25#Compared to all of Rhaenyraâs relationships this is fine actually realistically she and Harwin would have had a similar age gap#And that relationship is broadly regarded as her most healthy relationship#hotd#house of the dragon#criston cole#pro criston cole#rhaenyra critical#anti rhaenyra targaryen
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TLDR; Because people have gone so far left, they've gone right. Their "wokeness" has led them to completely disregard someone's trauma in the bigger picture. They seem to think Elriels are using Gwyn's SA as a reason Gwynriel can't happen, when Elriels are just trying to be respectful and patient with Gwyn's own trauma to allow her to show some interest in someone before we ship her with anyone.
Longer Answer:
To clarify, there is nothing wrong with a survivor of SA wanting to have sex and get into a relationship. How they deal with their trauma is up to them. I've seen some survivors of SA go on a "sleeping with everyone they meet" bender and some people who can't even be around men for a long period of time. Both are heartbreaking but that is how someone deals with their trauma, and it's nobody else's business.
SA is the product of cruel entitlement. It is a real issue, one that's rampant on college campuses, remote villages, even in the highest of corporate offices. That's the harsh reality. It might be presented as a fictional concept in this book, a reason for background trauma - but it is very much real.
To say a survivor of SA cannot go on to have sex or relationships with others is wrong. That implies they are damaged goods or they are weak and broken. That's wrong.
How someone reacts and processes SA trauma is up to them. It's nobody else's business. Their trauma does not define them. But after a traumatic event like that - they have to be the one to make the call of when and if they want to pursue other relationships. On their own timeline.
When it comes to Gwyn, her stans get defensive when they see people say "Gwyn is still healing from SA trauma, I don't think she's ready for a relationship" because they think we're using it as a reason she can't be with Azriel. They think we're saying "Gwyn is damaged and weak, so she can't be with Azriel". They think we regard ALL SA survivors as being unable to carry out a relationship, healthy sex life, real love because their abuse ... and so they get all up in arms -> and honestly I'm with them on that, because THAT is a disgusting take.
But thankfully, no Elriel is saying such a heinous thing.
We are saying Gwyn specifically has not shown signs of healing from that trauma yet. She still can't leave the library at the end of ACOSF, and has once again - just been through another round of trauma in the BR getting almost attacked by a group of bloodthirsty, disgusting males. She hasn't shown any sign of blushing at Azriel or wanting to touch him or sighing after him like the other priestesses - so what is giving people the indication that she has healed from this trauma and is ready for a relationship?
Like, let me put it this way. If I open the next ACOTAR book and it's somehow about Gwyn & Azriel, I still think Gwyn wouldn't be ready to be in a relationship, even if Azriel is her mate. I still think it would take time for her to feel comfortable around men. Even if he were to be her mate ... somehow - I don't think she is going to suddenly flip a switch and have fantasies of him and have them sneak around having sex between the shelves in the library.
I do not think she is there yet. The most "interest" she has shown during sex is when she:
1. Teased Nesta about Cassian (again not talking about her OWN interest)
2. Talked about how her virginity, her ability to participate in the great Rite had been taking away from her by Hybern's men when they SA-ed her. ... (do I even need to explain how this isn't her being ready to have sex ... it's literally her being upset they took yet another thing from her....?)
And then she gets traumatized again from the BR. And then goes back into the library.
Does that sound like someone is well and healed and ready to pursue a relationship?
No. At least not in my opinion. And listen, I could be wrong - I could open the next ACOTAR Book (when I'm 50 at this rate) and it starts of with a graphic sex scene with Gwyn. I'll eat my words then, idc. But I'm saying right now - it doesn't seem to me like Gwyn is ready for ANYONE.
Azriel has nothing to even do with this. There are plenty of reasons Elriels do not believe Gwynriel is a viable pairing - and it has nothing to do with whether Gwyn is ready to be in a relationship or not.
Gwyn's SA trauma is not something I've seen any Elriel bring up as a reason as to why Azriel & Gwyn can't be together. The main reason we don't ship them together is because
1. We didn't see anything romantic between them in the first place
2. We don't believe that they're mates just because of the word "spark"
3. Elain exists, and she is the current object of all of Azriel's affections
Gwyn's trauma does not make the list. I don't even know where this argument came from but I suspect it was somewhere along the lines of "Gwyn & Azriel don't make any sense, I don't think she's even ready for a relationship yet after ACOSF" and the GAs purposefully twisted our words to say "YOU GUYS ARE SAYING SA VICTIMS CANT HAVE RELATIONSHIPS AND THats why you hate Gwynriel!"
Like no, babes. I'll believe Gwyn is ready to pursue a relationship or sex with someone else when she initiates it. It's literally as simple as that đ¤ˇđťââď¸
And that goes for all characters, not just victims of SA or other abuse. You can ship whoever you want of course, even if they don't show romantic interest.
But to claim that ship is canon, that ship is going to be endgame - you need to show me in the text where either character shows some romantic attraction to the other.
It's actually a little sad how you come into my anons thinking you're doing me a favor "clearing something up" for me when the reality is that everything you said is completely false while you try so hard to convince yourself it's canon.
Elain is NOT the current object of Az's attention. Was she for the months between the two Solstices? Sure. But Mor was also the object of his attention at the same time. His longing stares at Mor were fewer and farther between however that does not equal zero which means there were still looks being sent her way. He was pissy towards Helion over Mor for heavens sake. However beyond the three days after Solstice there is absolutely no evidence of Elain being the object of Az's interest just as there is absolutely no evidence of Az being the object of Elain's interest. One would say Elain has revoked any consent she offered Az with the return of his gift yet somehow you think it's ok to ship them in a sexual relationship? Or are you of the thought that girls can't retract consent once it's given?
You're splitting hairs. You say it's not right for the fandom to ship a Gwynriel endgame which would include a sexual relationship because Gwyn hasn't specifically stated "I want to hook up with him" or come on to Az yet it's ok for you to push a sexual relationship on Elain that she no longer seems to want. A sexual relationship on Az that he no longer seems to want. The end of SF took place 4 /5 months after Solstice. The events of HOFAS about 7 and there is absolutely no canon evidence that he even thinks of Elain in that way anymore. If you're so sure he's over Mor after longing for her for 500 years then surely it's believable that he's move past a crush he had for a year tops?
Also, if you're fine with fanart / fanfiction of Elain and Az engaging in kinky sex than you're a hypocrite.
Elain was willing to kiss Az but where is the text that proves she was ready to do more than that after she was violated by being put into the Cauldron. You don't even know whether she would have enjoyed the kiss. Had they followed through SHE could have pulled back and said it was a mistake. She could have walked away feeling nothing. Trust me it happens. I spent over a year lusting after a guy but the timing was never right for us. When we finally had our chance it was extremely awkward. For whatever reason the pining for him created more tension and chemistry than the chemistry we actually had together.
Also, you thinking Gwyn isn't ready for a relationship doesn't really matter does it? You can dislike what Sarah writes, you can wish she'd gone in a different direction but your personal feelings play no part in what will actually happen. And when you look at Sarah's writing she clearly has no issues allowing characters to move forward from SA in a shortened timeline (i.e., Rhys with Feyre). It's already been 2 years and 7 months for Gwyn, Rhys ended up mated to Feyre 5 months after his SA. Gwyn doesn't have to show an insatiable desire for sex in Nesta's book when she can simply reveal that in her own. Nobody is acting like it's wrong to ship Emerie and Mor when Emerie wasn't saying things like "damn, I need to get laid."
Gwyn has ABSOLUTELY shown signs of beginning to heal from trauma. She spent two years afraid to be around anyone but those in the library and within a few months of training she was already fine being alone with Az on the rooftop of Solstice evening. How is that not growth? Alone with a man and smiling at him? Sassing him after Solstice rather than pulling even further into herself?
You can sit on your high horse and proclaim you need the text to support Gwyn's feelings on the situation before you're "ok" with it and that's fine, you do you. But let's not pretend you actually give a shit about an imaginary character who has no actual feelings when real life survivors will tell you they're inspired by the thought of a Gwynriel endgame yet you care little about what they have to say.
Especially when you're the same people who ship Vassa and Lucien despite us having no idea whether Vassa prefers men or women. Despite Lucien having also been SA yet you've got no problem convincing yourselves he desires Vassa, will end up with Vassa, despite him only showing longing for Elain (his mate). So no, it does not appear you actually need confirmation of romantic interest before proclaiming them canon or endgame.
Also, it's ok that you don't see the potential romantic setup for Gwynriel right now despite so many that do. Surprises are part of the fun of reading, right?
But as things currently stand Az and Gwyn's "non interest" in one another seems to hold a lot more potential than "he hadn't gotten that far with his planning, certainly not beyond the fantasies he pleasured himself to".
#anti e/riel#gwynriel#anti vassien#elain archeron#lucien vanserra#gwyneth berdara#azriel shadowsinger
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I feel like Percy and Annabethâs goals for the future donât line up. Percy never struck me as the type to want to go to uni, and if he did he would 100% hate marine bio. In Chalice heâs complaining about having tons of chemistry homework, when studying marine science at uni means you have to do LOTS of chem. He says that he needs to study so he can go to college and be with Annabeth, but itâs never about what he personally will get out of it, just him not wanting to be separated from her. Doesnât seem like a healthy dynamic in the long run.
Terribly sorry for the late response. Hopefully, this meets your expectations.
You are preaching to the choir at this point. Everyone and their mother, at least everyone who is not blind, is aware of how one-sided the goals of their relationship are.
If you observe not only is this the case with their goals but is a recurring pattern with all of Percy's opinions where either he doesn't voice them or Annabeth is dismissive of his opinions.
Almost all the problems with their relationship arise with how Percy doesn't voice his opinions and goes along with whatever Annabeth asks. And Annaebeth also assumes that only her own opinions count, and since Percy is a bit less knowledgeable than her, he has no opinions.
Despite Percy being a far better strategist than Annabeth and arguably smarter Annabeth almost never gives him the proper credit he deserves.
She is always either openly or subtly degrading his intelligence on literally no basis.
Annabeth is also extremely overbearing about studies towards Percy and openly condescending. When time comes for them to actually go to college, Percy easily gets a better grade than Annabeth, and she insinuates how seaweed brain is a substitute to some degree of the word dumb.
And if people still doubt that Percy has different ideas about his future, they only need to read Chalice of the gods. He is clearly fed up by the studies and the college schedule and isn't very intent on going to college, especially since Estelle is due soon, and he wants to first and foremost remain with Sally, Paul and Estelle his family.
Percy has time and again highlighted that if it were up to him, he would choose to do whatever he pleases at his leisure, which has very little to do with studies. Even in the case of marine biology, I second the opinion that he wouldn't enjoy it. Partially because Percy hates the objectification of aquatic creatures. He can't stand aquariums, and he is most definitely not going to enjoy the study and dissection of marine creatures.
Also, Percy, being ready to drop everything to move to New Rome, is completely out of character and literally illogical on Rick's part.
Annabeth has also repeatedly made known that she wishes to be involved at the centre of all things godly I.e more quests and wishes to pursue her interests more so than anything which is directly the inverse of Percy wanting a complete vacation and zero stress.
All in all, not only are Percy and Annabeth's goals opposite and incompatible, we can repeatedly see only Percy trying to make some compromise while Annabeth's hubris blinds her.
It's clear that they will never see eye to eye on many important things that make a relationship, and blind percabeth stans need to accept it.
#percy jackson#smart percy jackson#school smart percy jackson#anti annabeth chase#anti percabeth#percy and annabeth literally have nothing in common#chalice of the gods#percy would never want to settle in new rome
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Eddie Diaz & buddie stans
I'd like to address something that I've noticed for a while about the buddie section of the fandom... and that's the fact that right now they treat Eddie like some kind of pet they feel sorry for because he hasn't realized his "queerness" yet. As if, somehow, his value as a character cannot stand alone unless he's only gay/bi/demisexual for Buck.
Are y'all saying that his character ONLY has value if he's with Buck? Are you saying that his "queerness" is equal to his value as a character and if he's not queer by 8x06 or in the future of the series, that his character won't bear much interest for you? Because that's insane.
I've also noticed that Eddie's character is only valuable to you when Christopher's bond with Buck is at the fore. So we see Eddie and Chris at odds as of s7, and a MAJORITY of the buddie stans concerns is:
Chris needs to come back and then his dads will realize their feelings for each other.
Eddie's religious crisis/catholic guilt HAS to be tied to his queer realization and his love for Buck, and not toxic masculinity within American-Mexican households (which can include queerness but is not how the issue was presented in the show about the Diaz family)
No. Instead the issue of catholic guilt was tied to toxic masculinity and machismo where Eddie not only had to grow up at a very young age due to his absent father, but also was forced to be "the man of the house" which inherently affected his ability to keep/maintain healthy relationships with women/possible future love interests and his relationship with his son.
But instead of this, buddies are only concerned with how everything that's happened to Eddie is somehow related to Buck. As if his entire life is centered around the man.
It is incredibly disheartening and disingenuous to say that you love and care about the buddie ship, when you CLEARLY are only concerned about one half of the ship, ie. Buck. And further, it is quite fickle to celebrate Eddie's queerness only as it relates to Buck, the same way y'all were ecstatic about Buck's bisexuality only when it concerned buddie/Eddie, & completely bypassed/destroyed/discriminated/hated on the canonically gay character he discovered his bisexuality with.
#eddie diaz#evan buckley#911 abc#buddie#ryan guzman#oliver stark#buddie stans#eddie diaz is his own character#christopher diaz#fandom discourse#911 fandom#911 show#911 season 8#eddie x buck#edmundo diaz#buck buckley#bi buck#queer eddie diaz#queer buck#tommy kinard#bucktommy#buddietommy#lou ferrigno jr
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