#wank? discourse?

[ambernotember]

Putting my big damn clown nose on…

We saw Hen and Karen break up in the flashback in 6x06

We saw them almost break up in Season 1

Chim and Maddie broke up/never really got started after the events of 2x13

Bobby and Athena have issues/almost break up when she doesn’t want to be seen in public with him bc it’s too soon/bc of the divorce and how she feels that will be perceived by others

They have issues again when Athena asks Bobby to move in

I mean… a breakup doesn’t have to mean forever and we’ve seen other main couples overcome big issues before!

And Tim, why say this last season and then write him off like this? Where to live could honestly have been a valid reason to break up but the scene ended up not even being about that.

At this point why didn’t you just bring back canonical gay firefighter Casey from Hen Begins, who most of the GA would have known as much as they knew Tommy?

Natalia got written off between seasons and if there was really that much of an issue with the actors/something behind the scenes/how the studio wanted to proceed, whatever it might be, I think you could have just… not done this.

Did I have a point? Mm not sure. Anyways

[jolalibrary]

I miss when we were gardeners. when we tended to our fandom garden as a collective, instead of worrying that someone was making their part of the garden fancier than yours. I remember when people didn’t expect that it would be here tomorrow, when we lived in fear that we’d wake up and a site that housed our words would be gone, vanished. now, we don’t even care when our faves vanish and their blog becomes abandoned. we used to nurture fandom because it was an escape from the acting some of us had to do day to day, that we could be ourselves here. it feels—at times now—that people walk in, pluck a flower and leave. that if you’re not posting something new, your use is so little. but then, I remember when gif makers were respected and appreciated, and never had their work stolen and immediately put on twitter, and when moodboard makers and artists were adorned with so many reblogs and comments with ideas and headcanons that aided in new stories being generated. now no one shares any ideas out of fear some blog will write it first and you’ll be accused of stealing what you’ve spent months on. I remember when writers were seen as people who were just as talented as the people I’ve mentioned before, when people acknowledged how long it took to write a chapter or a one-shot. now, we’re easily replaceable, whether it’s AI or we’re simply not quick enough that people don’t want to invest. I remember waiting six months for an update on my fave fic, and I never felt slighted by it. because we liked being in fandom? we liked being supportive of everyone in it. we didn’t like everyone in it, because that’s impossible, but we didn’t make it our mission to burn them until they left, because we understood that even a gardener we didn’t like, was still someone cultivating a flower for someone we couldn’t make on our own. the saying it takes a village applies to fandom, and the question we need to be asking ourselves is: are we all doing our part or just taking and hoping it’ll be there to take from tomorrow?

[louferrignojrofficial]

dare i say it? ca-

[tevanbuckley]

i've said this before about other shows, but just because irl bi people are obviously queer regardless of who they do or don't date/sleep with, doesn't mean studios etc. can't exploit that fact to include nominal levels of representation with minimal effort and a decreased risk of alienating homophobic viewers.

i've no idea what's happening with buck's story, if i had to put my money on anything atp it would be creative squabbles within the writers room itself rather than malice. and either way there's much more egregious examples of this kind of thing.

however, acting like it's biphobic to worry about the show sidelining buck's attraction to men ignores the fact buck is not real. If he never touches a man again then the cards didn't just fall that way, it's a deliberate choice made by a production team operating in an environment increasingly hostile to visibly queer relationships.

yes, ignoring buck's attraction to women is biphobic, but let's not play dumb and pretend there's no potential ulterior motives that could influence the gender of future LIs. it's especially worth giving them a side-eye when 18 episodes later buck still hasn't said the word bisexual on screen!

[starstruckbyacomet]

Before 8x06: Lou has been harrased, and even sent death threats (link), by toxic Buddie shippers for months. Tim and Oliver seemed to do nothing, not even asked ABC to delete hateful comments towards Lou in social media.

In 8x06: Tim made Tommy broke Buck's heart, made him the bad guy in the story (link). In an interview, Lou said he has expected backlash from fans (link).

After 8x06 aired: The General Audience is angry at Tim for bad writing, and at Oliver for perpetuating a negative bisexual stereotype (link). The only one who doesn't look bad in the fall out is Lou.

It is ironic how things turn out. I believe it's Karma at work.

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[demonic-shadowlucifer]

I was gonna wait for the poll to close to share this, but I think I've gotten enough results on that one to move on. I've chosen to make this into a full-on survey because I don't wanna spam this blog with polls lmfao. I also included the poll question in case anyone who answered wrong the first time can change that. Once again, you don't have to be associated with either side (or even identify as 'neutralship') to take this. This is an open discussion.

Additionally, I encourage yall to reblog so others can answer too!/nf

Once again, please be civil in the reblogs. Also, rude/inflammatory answers on the final question will not be counted.

[goneforawhileever]

'Sibling Coded'

People calling some relationships ‘sibling coded’ nowadays make me roll my eyes because this idea that people can't fall in love because they're good friends is strange. Like I get it if the show goes out of its way to define the two of them being nothing more than platonic besties (ItaKugi for example, the show beat that ship over the head with a shovel and shot it behind the building), but sometimes it's just two characters that are good friends that have enough in common to feel as if they could one day fall in love, which is the core principle of shipping after all, but some human in the top percentile of dickheadery will scream in your ear that they're 'sibling coded' and should NOT be shipped because it'd be WEIRD!!!! (even though they're the ones that projected a sibling archetype onto the pair, solely them.)

Another variation of this is sometimes worse lol people will see two characters with straight up undeniable romantic implication in the series but will die on the hill that they're just friends or sibling coded (We all know at least one of these)

[saitoakirachan-fangirls]

I 90% blame the few la/bru BNF (Big name fans, aka fandom accounts with a big following) for the way Mithrun is being talked about in the fandom right now. Prior to the airing of the anime, and before those accounts were made/got popular, Mithrun was seen as a tragic but still intimidating and funny character. Or a babygirl, depending.

Now, he's an ugly senile dog with permanent eye stains who is too old and decrepit to function.

Making fun of his eyes is insanely ableist. No need to elaborate tbh.

He is unable to function because of severe trauma, not because of his age. He is the elven equivalent of 37, not 79. If we calculate the half-foot/tallmen age according to their average lifespan, then Chilchuck is about 35. Literally nobody treats Chilchuck like a grandpa, because he is not dysfunctional. Because he is not disabled.

He is incredibly competent at his job. He needs assistance to live, but he is one of, if not the, strongest fighters in the whole series. Reducing him to his disabilities while simultaneously degrading said disabilities is incredibly telling of the posters' character.

Mithrun is being dehumanized and people are uncritically repeating these jokes because it's funny in the moment. It's one thing to poke fun at your faves, it's another to be so unbelievably callous about a character's trauma by reducing it to only jokes.

Chief, I'm gonna level with ya; I'm not going to believe you actually like him when all you ever do is call him a dog that needs to be put down, or act super excited when someone agree with you on how ugly he is, or say that he's fundamentally unsuited for relationships because his disability will always burden his partner.

Just be honest and say you hate him

[miss-rum-hee]

seeing Japanese artists on twitter finally learn about the whole "proship vs anti" discourse & telling each other to block antis or basically anyone with "proship DNI" in their bios has legitimately gotta be THE funniest shit I've seen on that app.

Like no joke, they're calling antis "American feelings Yakuza" now 😭🤣

IT REACHED THE FUCKING TRIGUN CREATOR I-

@takashi0

[unpopularfanopinion]

I got distracted earlier and forgot to include this.

Imagine you have someone who is morally opposed to alcohol and it’s consumption. Okay fine. They don’t have to drink if they don’t want to. Nor do they have to allow people to drink in their home or business establishment. That is a boundary they are allowed to set for themselves. But would it be acceptable or appropriate for them to go into a bar(a business pretty much dedicated to the consumption of alcohol in a safe environment) and start demanding that everyone stop drinking while they are there. Harassing and insulting the workers and patrons all while claiming that they’re doing this because of their morals, and they are just setting personal boundaries and how dare the patron disregard them? Or is this teetotaler just being a massive disrespectful asshole, violating the boundaries and safe space of the bar and its patrons?

The recent discourse is about DNI’s being put into the tags on Ao3. Ao3 a space meant to be a safe space for fandom to post all types of transformative works without fear of judgement. Tags meant to insult and intimidate other users of the site. The people using those tags aren’t setting boundaries or protecting themselves. They’re violating the boundaries and safe space of the other users and the overall intent of Ao3. This is not the same thing as putting a DNI on your own personal tumblr, Twitter, or any other website.

[madlori]

No.

Just...no.

You guys? NO.

We are not doing this.

We are not going to have a conversation about how it's perfectly fine for two adult men to engage in puppy play. We are NOT going to discuss how kink is valid.

WE ARE NOT.

We are not going to lend legitimacy to literally one of the most insane wrong takes on a line of dialogue I have ever seen in my eight zillion years in fandoms.

We are not going to have a discussion about it like that's actually what that scene meant, or what that line implied. We are not going to debate that question on its merits BECAUSE IT HAS NO MERITS. Or any basis in reality as normal people perceive it.

We are going to shake our heads at the profoundly dysfunctional levels of obsession with hating something that leads to THIS crazy an interpretation of an innocent statement.

We are not going to engage with it like it's a real thing.

It is not a real thing. It's a made-up thing.

Treat it like that.

[hussyknee]

You've heard of Gaylors, now get ready for ...Theylors

(the screenshot of YouTube is fake according to community notes.)

[louferrignojrofficial]

the whole ‘pretending oliver is stalking ryan’s tagged photos’ thing and then oliver calling them out for actually just tagging him in their stories thing was crazy. but for someone else to DM HIM and say ‘you stopped allowing people to tag you a month ago, we know you’re lurking through ryan’s photos’ and then get pissed he blocks you????????)?!?!?!?!?

and i can’t forget like a month ago where he posted the photos he took of the cast and someone commented that they knew ryan was his muse, and he responded with ‘there are photos of everyone’.

this isn’t even talking about how he was ran off twitter for being accused of queerbaiting for literal years.

oliver is sick and TIRED… i think he should be meaner actually.

[tevanbuckley]

I joke that I’m immune to fandom induced psychic damage but i also think i deserve financial compensation every time I see someone yell about “media literacy being dead” right before proving they have the reading comprehension of a 12 year old.

[bump-inthe-night]

Bullies are pissed off at Wrong_Organ because they’re being reprimanded for their behavior instead of rewarded. They expected the Mouthwashing developers to side with them and pat them on the back for harassing people and making the fandom toxic.

Imagine being an asshole who’s so far up your own ass that you believe the developers are “problematic” for being against you and others harassment.

[demonic-shadowlucifer]

A few days ago I started a survey intending to document the experiences others have had while partaking in shipcourse. After going through responses of the first survey, and after reading some critiques and questions yall wanted to know, I think it's time to share the second and final survey of my research!

As usual, please be civil in the reblogs. This is an open discussion. Tagging for visibility: @proship-anti-discussion @proshippers-against-censorship @olderthannetfic

Like with the last survey, this one will remain open for three or four days. Also, you guys are allowed to send in asks detailing your experiences with either side, in case you don't feel like going through the survey.