#stop fakeclaiming

[ghxst-system]

"debate me!!! let me fake claim u so u can prove urself to me!!!"

thats how u fucking sound

that is what u sound like u fucking moron.

[cronaz-diary]

hot take but we do not need to traumatize ppl who fake stuff !!

yez faking disorderz iz bad and very, very wrong BUT itz mainly kidz who do thiz, or sometimez they genuinely believe they have the disorder (it could be a delusion or they rlly do believe it for whatever reason)

or they could just be faking for attention and to use it to harm otherz

what ever the reason is all you have to do iz, IF U KNOW THEY R FAKING 100%. call them out for it, and let ppl know they arent telling the truth

without doxxing, threatz or anything like that!!!

no we dont need to tell a 12 yr old that ur gonna rape them, beat their ass until they bleed and harm their dog and they r lying abt everything bc they claimed to have DID

i can prooommisseeee you ppl who self diagnose or lie abt disorderz arent "getting the resourcez u cant get" bc u can only get said resourcez if ur diagnosed so if ur someone whoz actually claiming thiz happenz either ur a liar or heard it from someone else and never fact checked and never been apart of these so dont say "w-we need to hurt them bc they r stteaalllinggg from meeeee"

faking disorderz iz wrong, fake claiming ppl with no proof or anything to back it up other than "m-my disorder doesnt show like that, my cousin disorder doesnt show like that, i dont like it, i dont understand it" or anything like that iz wrong, and harrassment iz wrong

also remember disorderz dont show up the same for everyone and arent predictable u wont know how it iz for everyone bc ur experience, heavy for delusionz i see sm ppl fake claim ppl bc "that delusion iz stupid, i dont get it and itz not medically recognize"

sorry but delusionz r so unpredictable and arent researched enough az a delusional person, delusionz arent cute and isnt alwayz "i feel watched and bugz r in me" sorry that tiktok melted ur brain to make u think that !!! delusionz can be anything not just thingz everyone know

basically stop harassing ppl over being mentally ill or if they r faking something bc

1 u dont know if itz not glaringly obviouz

2 itz mainly children weirdoz

3 ur not achieving anything with thiz other than ruining anotherz life who most likely iz mentally ill bc most ppl who fake thiz stuff haz some other kind of thing wrong with them

and 4 ur the worse person for it. leave people alone or be nice

[noneofthatfuck]

Ya'll can we please stop the hate on Endogenic systems?? I'm so fucking tired of wanting to reblog something relatable but seeing anti-endo or endos DNI in the tags.

Like let people believe what they want about why their systems form, everyone can believe what they want. It really isn't hurting anyone. Everyone's system is so ridiculously different because they are tailored to our exact needs, no matter why the system exists.

Fake claiming systems, no matter their origin, is hurting the community as a whole. Period. End of story.

Just let people be people.

[breaking-binary-system]

Hey to all the systems out there....can we quit this bullshit fighting that's going on between everyone? The one where if you express being a system the "wrong" way (in-sys relationships, at least finding the positives in being a system, whatever the case is) then it automatically means your faking The one where if you claim to be a system online then your thought to be a teenager faking and if your an adult your seen as a sad pathetic person There are bigger fish to fry when it comes to ACTUAL problems. It shouldn't matter who's got what kind of alter and "oh my god how many of them aren't introjects how many are" and bullshit like that. We have more important problems. I mean honestly, this shit is why a fucking psychology textbook has to put that DID is alleged. That really there's no backing to it. It's why there are legitimate therapists, psychologists and psychiatrics that don't believe DID is real and that it's "just an overactive imagination". How about for 5 seconds we stop trying to tear each other down on what's "real" for a system. Yes, this is a covert disorder. Yes, it's rare. DID is diagnosed in 1.5% (according to an article last year by the National Institute of Health) of the population, a really small number compared to other things. However a lot of other things are only in 1.5% of the population.

1-2% of the population has red hair, it's within the same range as DID. You don't see people trying to fake claim red hair. According to the National Alliance on Mental Illness, this is the population percentages for three disorders

Schizophrenia: <1%

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder: 1.2%

Borderline Personality Disorder: 1.4%

All 3 rarer than DID and yet there is not as much fakeclaiming going on (even with OCD though there is, of course, for the people who also claim to have it because they like things neat and that's it). Does this mean everyone who claims to be a system online is? No. Hell it doesn't even mean everyone who's diagnosed is. Professionals get shit wrong and it's okay to be diagnosed with or say you have the wrong thing. It happens, it doesn't mean someone's trying to be attention seeking or lying to take advantage. For some people who self-diagnose wrong (or hell even it's happened for professional), they could be in a delusion. They could honestly just have coped in ways that make them think they have DID/OSDD. (This isn't saying everyone does I'm using very general terms)

Really this is just to say (Because I've seen it on EVERY side of the debate), let's quit the fucking system fighting for 5 minutes. Try to focus on important shit, not "oh this person says they have it and claim to only be 15" and instead "hey we're being considered faking it by a fair amount of professionals maybe we should try and quit making it easier for them to assume so".

[assbutttotheworld]

This.

If you care for disabled people, stop trying to "expose" someone as a "fake".

There exists such a narrow, suffocating view of what diasbility or disabled looks like.

And everyone who doesn't fit that 'template' gets judged, harassed and even shouted at, or worse.

What it doesn't take into account are dynamic disabilities that wary each day or within a day, where people might need different accomodations (for example canes, crutches or wheelchairs) or their pain level shifts. Just because their needs vary it doesn't mean they're faking!

It doesn't take into account for people who learned to mask their pain, or other parts of their symptoms. For which their disability has become daily life, just another thing to deal with so they can manage their life. It doesn't mean they're faking!

It doesn't take into account the many different disabilities that CAN'T be seen from the outside. Invisible disabilities are real and just because you can't see it (by your definition), it doesn't mean they're faking it!

If someone uses a wheelchair and they can still move their feet, it doesn't mean they're faking! Not every wheelchair user has lost all their movement or is paralyzed. They can maybe get up for a few seconds to grab something while shopping. It doesn't mean they're faking!

It doesn't account for anyone who doesn't fit this 'template' that has been curated for generations (that btw. is still heavily tainted by eugenics and eugenic rhethoric from over a century ago and earlier, as well as the mindset that "disabled people should not be allowed outside".) So people aren't used to disability being seen in public. Because they still view disability as a punishment or something to be ashamed of. Or as something they don't want to see. Because it's a reminder it can, in theory, happen to anyone at any point in their life.

I can't recount the pissed off stares, the Karens who come up to my car to check if I have a disabled parking ticket, the people who refuse to get up from the wheelchair seats which are specifically reserved for that purpose, or the people telling me I look 'fine' and don't need a wheelchair.

I am a wheelchair user and I can still walk a few steps. Everything else would injure me. But many think I'm faking, because of that.

Or they try to tell me I'm too young, too smiley, too grumpy, too lively, my wheelchair is decorated so it can't be "that bad", I can't be in pain because young people are healthy,... the list goes on. They have a thousand reasons why someone can't be disabled, because they ignore everything that doesn't fit their definition of disability.

My disability is mine alone. I don't have to justify it to anyone!

Only I feel how my body is failing me. You can't always see it from the outside. You can NEVER see from the outside how much a disability is affecting someone. No matter how "fine" or "able bodied" someone looks to you.

It's already extremely lonely, because you can't ever fully explain to anyone how it feels.

And I and other disabled people don't need the constant nagging and trying to "prove we don't have it that bad" or even " faking it" just because we don't fit that outdated, eugenic mold that's been curated for generations before us.

There is no "this is how disability looks like". It just doesn't exist!

If you really 'just want to help' stop fakeclaiming people, because inevitably you WILL hurt the people you're claiming you want to help.

And it's already extremely hard to get government assistance, support and accomodations. We have to proof we're "disabled enough" to qualify for that, undergo many questionaires, medical exams and battle piles of bureaucratic paper work. All while constantly being judged and often looked down upon. It's quite dehumanising most of the time.

It doesn't have to get even harder just because you refuse to accept disability exists outside your entitled, narrow, abelist mold!

trying to weed out the “fakers” will inevitably lead to you harassing real disabled people who can’t perform their disability well enough for you

[eklesia-system]

Well well well! Looks like there's a "wise guy" trolling the inclusive tags. We've taken the liberty of reporting them already because calling yourself "youdonthavedid" and tagging only the inclusive tags, and making exclusively "negative affirmations" in order to target people they subjectively believe are "fakers", is not cool, and frankly I believe it is or SHOULD be a violation of policy. The targeted nature of the tags, and the overall bad faith intention, is what I believe makes it in violation.

To anyone who struggles with feeling invalid, ignore everything this user says. They're clearly acting in bad faith. They don't even understand the group they're targeting so you know they're full of shit. (You see, most endogenics don't even claim to have DID, and if they do, they are often professionally diagnosed, fyi).

Honestly I'm more concerned with the systems who have DID and constantly struggle with feeling like they're faking. This user is unintentionally catching a lot more than just endos in their crock of shit.

We're not endogenic, we were seeing this shit. And we don't struggle too badly with feeling like we're faking so most of our frustration about this is for anyone else who might be more affected by that "negative affirmation" garbage. And to you guys I say---

(points) You're valid. You don't have to prove yourself to anyone, especially not some online troll you can easily block. Especially not to some subreddit full of people who don't know you. Let 'em laugh, let 'em call you anything under the sun. They don't know you, they have no right to tell you who and what you are. And you certainly don't have to take their shit.

-Adam V

[pronoun-stuff]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS!! any system with any headcount is valid! idc if you're endo or not. y'all are all valid as fuck!!!!/gen/pos

-gem

Shoutout post for systems with high headcounts!

[PT Shoutout post for systems with high headcounts!]

For those with headcounts so high they don't get mentioned in other posts about high headcounts. For those with tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions, or billions of alters. For those with headcounts so high they stopped counting. For those with headcounts so high they can't safely know.

This is a shoutout to systems that:

Can't meet everyone

Cant log everyone

Forget people exist

Get stressed out thinking about your system size

Don't record the members of sidesystems/subsystems/groupings, only the group overall.

Organise your notes in 'weird ways'

Don't record fragments, don't count fragments as alters or don't include fragments in your headcount

Don't track front

Can't tell who's fronting most of the time

Are scared to share your headcount or scared of your headcount

Have been fakeclaimed/judged for your headcount

Cant relate to other systems because of headcount differences

Have lots of introject doubles, have entire casts of fictives from the same source, or have lots of 'duplicate' alters

You all deserve to be acknowledged and celebrated and validated just as much as any other system, and it sucks that that doesn't happen very often.

You're not 'impossible', you're not 'too much', and you're definitely not 'faking'.

Others not understanding what its like to have such a high headcount sucks, but it has no bearing on your validity or worth.

You exist therefore you have worth.

We hope everyone that sees this has a good day!

[the-sour-patch-crew]

People who whine about systems who sign off on posts I think forget just how much some members would HATE to be associated with something being said. If we sign off it's to make it clear what is being said is about someone specific. It can be because we want to embrace our individuality, make another member more comfortable, or help the reader reach out to someone specific if they want to further discuss something.

Can we keep things without a sign off? Yeah, we do it plenty where we aren't out as a system. But on here? Why would we? This is a chance for us to have an outlet to be ourselves, connect with others, and overall keep peace within the system.

[crippled-peeper]

i dont want to trample on ur emotions/right to be upset at people getting mad at you for not wanting to be called smth, but like. idk the way youre talking about DID is really weird and rubs me the wrong way.

you have every right to be upset at the people in ur inbox calling you heinous shit, but you dont have to attack (online) DID culture because of these people. it's reading very fakeclaim-y

I don’t think you would recognize sarcasm if it punched you in the face

[ghxst-system]

u realise we're (disabled and mentally ill people) REAL people, right?

(quote) "you have too many illnesses so its fake" (end quote)

you realise we speak to doctors right?

you realise that you're ableist as fuck right?

im not hoarding my illnesses. i wish i didnt have any of the disabilities or (mental/physical) illnesses i do.

you sound fucking stupid go read a medical document

(i am not talking about people who fake disorders, have some reading comprehension please)

[tic-loud-tic-proud]

Reminder to everyone that the best thing to if someone is trolling you online is to block and ignore them

[horrorknife]

people on this website believe in the effects of psychosis until delusions make you do problematic things. then you’re just lying and faking your mental illness to get out of trouble. yeah man we actually don’t care that you completely lost control of most of your faculties while you were going through an episode we’re just gonna choose to believe you were perfectly normal and the things you said were just an extension of your true beliefs even though its a proven fact that being in deep psychotic episodes makes you behave in ways you NEVER EVER EVER EVER WOULD. yes this includes things like ableism and homophobia and racism and everything else unpalatable. at the point at which someones psychosis is this bad the answer is not to dogpile and harass them. they are clearly in need of help and sending death threats is fucking evil, actually. if someone who’s never been known to be incredibly awful like that starts spouting things that are harmful seemingly out of nowhere it’s very possible that they are in psychosis and need help. i cannot stress enough that mental illness does in fact sometimes present itself in ugly ways and pretending that it doesn’t ever happen does more harm than good.

[mar-im-o]

I just find the argument that endos are making us look bad to singlets so annoying. Like newsflash we're gonna look bad anyways. the majority of psychologists don't even think trauma-based plurality is real. endos aren't helping or hurting our case they're literally just existing

[thecorporatetower]

We could literally tell anti-endos our system was originally formed/diagnosed/originally found out as/whatever by trauma and they’ll still say they’re the “real systems”. Fucking friendly fire! Just say you jump to fake claim others when their experience isn’t the exact same as yours. Just say you wanna control how other people are supposed to think and feel when it comes to systems (referencing the common mindset that being a system is supposed to be “miserable” and being a system is “not fun”)

Also please don’t put ableists on your dni and then turn around and say endos aren’t real.

Not up for debate or to argue on this, we’re saying our piece, and this is final.

-Natasha/Angel

[aquaticfreakshow-sys]

Oh noo,, venting.

I wish my relationship would stop having to almost end just for one day of actually being thought about instead of neglected and forced to do everything for both of us on my own

[thr4shit]

I'm tired of the memories of being looked on in pity...

I don't want us PITIED.

Stop reminding me of Her pathetic, false PITY.