#season 4 theories

[thoughtfulchaos773]

Were Carmy and Syd texting a lot and spending a lot of time together during this time?

I ask because the text from carmy is very casual and sarcastic, there's familarity and humor involved when she asks if Fak has real tools. (Carmy knows this much because he asks for faks real tools when he's ready to fix their table)

Back to the timeline and chance where they spent time together: Sydney comes back to work with Carmy in December (the holiday song that plays at the beginning of 1x08).

2x01 is in March, and at the end, it's 18 weeks until it's open. 2x02 pasta is 12 weeks til open- they had a month to spend time together.

So they have 1.- 3 months to talk- 3 months to discuss plans for the bear, the budget, and plans for renovation from December to March. 3 months to get to know each other.

The another month to spend together before he reunited with Claire.

The scene where Sydney asks, “Still good to jam on menu later?" It’s clear they’ve bonded over brainstorming in the past.

Then there's that moment when Carmy turns back to her once he says, "Yes, chef." It felt like Sydney was about to chime in, too, (maybe asking if she left something at his place??) but then Marcus swoops in and interrupts just as he stood between them a scene later when Carmy asks her if she wants to work at the apartment.

Another thing when Carmy says this- it's the apartment, not my. I believe this was a specific detail.

It seems like Sydney was at his apartment for the first time 2x02 BUT he says the apartment like she's been to his place before.

She walks in and looks around the apartment—does it look different from the last time she was there? It seems messy. She looks at the remote on the table, the crooked curtains, and the nail on the wall—maybe there was a picture there when she went to the apartment last time.

They spent time together, but it was mostly work-related. Aka scrunchie portal, she also asks him if he's still thinking about the chaos menu.

This show loves to play with time, so what if we get a timeline episode of Sydney and carmy being actual partners before season 2 starts or the weeks between 2x01 and 2x02? We still get clues about how close they're getting with the matching sweaters, we know this because this was the one and only time Sydney is comfortable enough talking to carmy about her father with Carmy in the beginning of the episode.

Closer than we thought, perhaps?

[journalofabird]

What happened to the other 36 children that were born on October 1st 1989?

Why is Reginald Hargreeves an alien?

Why did Abigail say "Thanks for protecting me on the moon" to Luther?

Why was Jennifer inside a squid?

What happened to Sloane when all the others got to another timeline?

Without the comics, there are still so many questions left unanswered in the umbrella academy show itself.. and it's driving me crazyyy

[sirfrogthe3rd]

"If an artist falls in love with you, you can never die."

[strollthroughstars29]

How far can a person bend before they break and how long can the broken be wielded before they turn double edged?

This season was so devastatingly beautiful, but ironically, the metaphorical crown wouldn't be heavy if the gemstones didn't dig into the head of the wearer.

Sometimes, the line between mercy and cruelty can be thin.

The reason WHY Claudia resonates so deeply with Aaravos' story is because it's a mirror that she finds herself in. She IS the daughter in the story but not the one who pays the price. No, that was paid by her father... her father, who was brave enough to do what Aaravos couldn't. What's heartbreaking is that she doesn't even realize what she's discarding is the same thing Viren chose to embrace in death; his humanity.

One father who chose to bear the brunt, and another who chose to sacrifice his child.

I absolutely loved the parallel between Callum and Rayla having a do-over of their reunion, getting what could've been, but Viren refusing to reveal the truth to Soren, knowing one is a blessing and the other, a curse. Forever losing the opportunity to know what could've been.

The loss portrayed was so unsettling...

To even the loss we felt as the audience, seeing what made Viren who he was... his own son, to seeing what he made himself and the loss of what could've been and how his death proved the one thing we didn't want him to show... him having a human heart. And that's what this show did magnificently... it made this audience root for people against our will.

From the unfinished story of the lovers forever frozen in time to the mournful ballad rayla sang to console the stormbringer.

The only thing left to see is how these weapons charecters are to be utilized.

How callum will embrace his darkness and if Rayla will be able to kill him if need be. Or if promises will not be the only things to be broken next time.

[ariemfox]

so, yeah. um. about that new timeline. i think it'll probably be destroyed by another kugelblitz, lol.

since the umbrella academy saved allison's and lila/diego's kids by transporting them to the new & original timeline, i think the umbrella academy inadvertently caused the grandfather paradox to happen, again.

meaning the new universe would have been annihilated by a kugelblitz, again.

this is because if lila, diego, and allison never existed in this new timeline to give birth to their kids, their kids should not exist in this new timeline.

so much for saving humanity, i guess. ✌️☂️

[miss-galaxy-turtle]

Between Viktor getting fire powers,

Five's teleportation color being different,

And Ben having Doc Ock tentacles now,

I think there's gonna be a thing of them trying to get their powers back and them being slightly different. Maybe that also explains why Klaus (at least appears to be) floating?

I think Klaus is gonna be the one to try and find a way to get their powers back.

Walk with me.

There's the fact that we see him doing an actual seance:

And every season thus far, we have a Hargreeves obsessing over something, corresponding to the season number (Luther trying to find out how Reggie died, Diego trying to save JFK, and Allison trying to get Claire back).

There's ALSO a bit of Klaus breathing in a plastic bag. Maybe it's because he no longer has immortality and now knows how many times he's died before, so he's not taking any chances:

It also works on a character development standpoint: he goes from hating his powers to the point of numbing it with drugs and alcohol to wanting them back. It could ALSO ALSO explain why all the powers are slightly different. Maybe he tried to get the powers back but slightly different? So he can have immortality without the ghosts. Because of that, everyone's powers are slightly different.

This might just be the ramblings of a madwoman but I think I'm onto something

[nahokura]

Guys I have a theory...

[geekgirl750]

I know the running fan theory now is that Five's "real" name is Max, but my personal headcanon will always be that Five's name was Quinn/Quincy which means fifth son.

Cause like get it: Five's name would LITERALLY mean five!

Idk that just seems like something he would do if he had to pick a "normal" name.

[audible301]

It’s well vs Its well

I feel like the wording of this isn’t just supposed to be confusing it’s supposed to have two meanings. There could be a broken well and magic itself could not be broken it could be well.

Weugan says “something broke.” Not “magic broke” and rejects the claim that magic is new, just that the rules are. Magic itself is well, it never broke thats why Sam’s very specific question (“What in magic broke?”) came up with a confusing answer.

In Adventuring Party, Brennan claims that Weugan had said that the well that is the source of magic broke. When Aabria corrects him she specifically points out that nothing was said about the source of magic. If “well” does refer to a well that does not mean that well is the source of magic.

I think whatever was keeping magic the way it was at Gowpenny was man made. At some point someone found a way to funnel an insane ancient power for easier use and then built a society around it. It was never built for everyone to use, that’s why the rush of awakenings “broke” it.

Magic shouldn’t be so easy to use. It’s supposed to be scary. It has always been a chaotic and unpredictable force and it has finally returned to that state. It is well and the well that was keeping it contained is broken.

[byler-is-life]

How homophobic people felt in July 2022 after saying that Will wasn’t gay even though in the first 2 god damn episodes of season 4 Eleven told Mike in a letter that she thought Will’s painting was for someone he liked and then Will’s GAY ASS took it to the AIRPORT. AND THEN GAVE IT TO MIKE TO MAKE HIM FEEL BETTER ABOUT EL NOT NEEDING HIM ANYMORE BECAUSE HE [mike] SAID IN THE LAST EPISODE OF SEASON 3 THAT HE LIKES PRESENTS.

[harmonictechnicality]

I am a big ‘Steve and Eddie crossed paths in high school’ believer for one main reason.

Season 3, episode 7. Steve has just been drugged by the Russians, and tells Dustin this:

“How many times, Dad? I don’t do drugs. It’s only marijuana.”

By that statement alone, we canonically know that Steve smokes weed. And I can’t imagine that Hawkins is rolling (pun intended) in an array of high school-aged drug dealers. So Steve has probably purchased weed from Eddie.

Another important note, is that he says ‘how many times.’ Plural. Multiple. Steve has probably purchased weed from Eddie multiple times. And knowing that Eddie has a hidden spot where he likes to make his deals, it’s safe to assume that Steve has probably been there. Sitting where Chrissy sat. Having awkward small talk with Eddie. Having Eddie do something ridiculous to break the tension, equalize the social hierarchy with humor.

And they probably developed some sort of customer/dealer dynamic. Which means there’s a level of trust there, right? Keeping secrets (not ratting Eddie out), and remaining loyal (only purchasing from Eddie). So Eddie trusts Steve on a basic level. Which adds to the reason why he doesn’t cut Steve’s throat in the boathouse in s4. Dustin swearing on his mother helped sway his decision too, no doubt.

And sure, Steve could’ve bought weed from someone else. Fine. Whatever. But isn’t it more fun to think that they’ve interacted quite a bit before season 4?

Even if it’s just strictly business? ;)

[ballerinarina]

𐙚LET'S TALK ABOUT... DIEGO, LILA & FIVE

Okay, firstly I need to state that I'm going to say my impressions about the season four of The Umbrella Academy, focusing on the subway plotline. My considerations are very long (I'm talkative!) and about what I watched in the episodes and what I read on social media, so, I am totally open to opinions too!!

As an hyperfocused girl, I've been thinking about the subway arc plot decision during an absurd amout of time. I watched it a few times and read a lot of opinions. Yet, I still feel a little... surprised (?) by the intense hate over it.

It's not about liking or disliking the new couple that I'm talking about. Since naturally people would prefer one ship over another, it was obviously waited that the opinions would be divided.

I just... can't understand why people hated it so much as if it was a bad plot decision. Diego and Lila are beautiful together, i agree! They have a long, real and strong love story together. But why people are acting like this new plotline erased all their relationship together? Relationships are more complex than that.

Feelings are more complex than that. Humans are.

Actually, I may say that the psychological development that happens in the subway is way more interesting because Lila and Diego love each other, as much as Five loves Diego too.

This being said, I don't mean that I think a cheating plotline is interesting because of the cheating. I actually use to dislike it a lot. However, dealing with cheating in a black-and-white way as if it's an indefendible action is not clever. Sometimes, some things I read make me realize that people are so stuck into traditional morals that their capacity of thinking and analyzing complex emotional situations is kind of... damaged.

𝐒𝐨... 𝐋𝐢𝐥𝐚 𝐗 𝐃𝐢𝐞𝐠𝐨 𝐨𝐫 𝐋𝐢𝐥𝐚 𝐗 𝐅𝐢𝐯𝐞?

The Umbrella Academy is known as a series with very human and complex characters. That's what makes it so good, from the beginning! That's why I think it's kind of sad to judge their relationship with a typical moral view.

Claiming that Lila didn't deserve Diego, for example is so... so sad. She was an amazing mother and wife. She tried to go back to them for six years and as soon as she could she went back! Not even thinking twice! She loves Diego, of course she does!

Loving Five doesn't make her love for Diego less strong.

I really don't think Lila X Five is just neediness, however, no way. They already spent two seasons constructing a beautiful (friend) relationship before and in this horrible context they spent a lot of time taking care of each other, being each other's support. Considering this and their communication development — jokes on season 3, kindness in the beginning of season 4 — it's not surprising or nonsense that it turned to become romantic. People and relationships change, love is built and adapted.

I don't think Lila stopped loving Diego (i mean romantically, but even if she did, she surely didn't in other ways of loving that are as beautiful as it is) but that doesn't make her love for Five false, and Five loving and having a relationship with her doesn't make him a bad brother either. That's why I emphasized that TUA is a series with complex relationships. Why do you get upset and surprised when another relationship between complicated characters is built due to the tragedies of the script?

If this didn't cause outrage before, could it cause because, this time, when things get complicated, the plot resource used questions the standard romantic drama format expected by the system?

𝐍𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞 𝐩𝐥𝐨𝐭? 𝐎𝐮𝐭 𝐨𝐟 𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐫?

I guess one of the main arguments I saw was that their relationship didn't make any sense and that their scenes were extremely out of character, but I don't think it could be sustained when they both are characters who go through a lot that makes them change, alone or together. What they're claiming being out of character may simply be character development under non-ideal circumstances.

It seems like there's an strong resistance to open their minds while watching and realize that love isn't something that can only happen once and/or once at a time and under ideal situations. Diego and Lila's marriage crisis, Five and Lila developing ther friendship inbetween work cumplicity, Five looking more lost and tired in his decisions than before, the fact that it is the second time he has been trapped in space-time — which is a big trauma for him, since, from the first season (in the first apocalypse) we have been shown that, despite being introverted, arrogant and reserved, it is precisely "relating" that serves as a point of refuge for Five not to go crazy, lowering his guard and being kind...

All of this constructs very well their psychological coherency. "He wouldn't treat her like that during season 2 or 3!", "Lila would never be a domestic mother/ Five wouldn't work do CIA!". Well, we're talking about them now, not there.

One of the plot decisions to start this season was that the characters were living between what they kind-of-desired, but things still weren't fine, they still weren't getting what they wanted.

Five being free from the world-ending, but stll not being able to relax and live a simple retired life as he wanted. Klaus being sober and free of the ghosts, but insecure and anxious. Allison having Claire and Ray, but still unable to live a happy marriage and career. Viktor having his place working with something that makes him comfortable, but still unable to find love. Diego and Lila having a family and marriage and still unable to feel happy because the domestic work dynamic wasn't working...

Adulthood. Real life. None of those situations were out of character, as much as none of the psychological changes they suffered were too.

𝐀 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐚𝐛𝐨𝐮𝐭 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐬𝐦

Since I don't really see the point on why would all of the happenings between them three could be claimed as "nonsense", even less "unasked" or "unnecessary" — because it's a work of fiction and, even if it may not be what the public wants to watch, it is not something that needs to prove its usefulness, just as events (that tie together well, because coherency matters) do not need to prove their necessity in art —, so it makes me even more sad that clearly mostly of the reactions are based on conservative views of marriage.

I know this season is not perfect, and it had a lot of defects, so I'm not saying the arc is perfect. As all the other arcs, it happened in a hurry, making us the public less abl to feel the 7 years of development. Complaining about how the arc was executed is perfectly fine, actually: after all, we know that 4 episodes were cut from the original script, as were many recorded scenes (including a big part of the subway plotline).

AIDAN: "There's a lot of the relationship with Lila that we filmes but they cut it. It took weeks to film it and they used a few minutes in a montage. That wasn't right. It also made very hard for the viewers to believe when we spent weeks filming scenes to set up that scenario."

But when I bring the conservatism theme (misoginy and remnants/consequences of the monogamous religious structure), it's because, even if we have lots of other of worse defects on other parts of the season, the biggest public overreacting opinions have been undoubtly about Five and Lila.

Anyone who spends more than 2 minutes in the comments on Twitter, Tiktok or even here knows that most of the time people've been sad and angry treating them both as if they were turned into cheaters with no morals (Five as a new kind of scroundrel asshole, Lila as some kind of ungrateful whore and I've even seen people problematizing their enemies phase, or the age difference as if one of then, or even the director, were predators, which is pure nonsense) and I can't even express how it makes me deeply melancholic.

I can't see how reacting as if the situations they were put in and their actions toward it in the scripts were absurd, terrible and dumb can't be just conservative, because they were actually very well tied script decisions, used in a bold way. With an interesting and well written enemies to frenemies to friends to lovers trope, they managed to write something fun and that developed both of the characters in their early-season-conflicts-arising-from-other-seasons.

𝐒𝐨? 𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧, 𝐂𝐞𝐂𝐞?

I truly just... Can't understand how some people ended up having collectively such insensitive opinions about the relationship of two characters who were so... vulnerable.

Non-ironically I even saw a lot of people defending they would prefer Five to end up with a “real life Dolores” plotline (since the author felt the need of a romance) than with Lila, or that he shouldn't ever fall in love with anyone else than Dolores. It sounds so... Insane. I can't see how someone can have any kind of shipping-affection for his "sick" relationship with Dolores. It was, for me, a completely heartbroken arc.

While watching this new season, actually, it made me almost warmly happy, as a Five fan, to see him having someone to take care of him in hard times like that. Last time he didn't have it. They loved each other, they constructed this love and even if it was constructed under a refuge, extremely vulnerable situation, as much as even if it was constructed over a hopeless and trust-breaking decision towards their loved Diego, it doesn't make it less real and beautiful.

They aren't bad people. They aren't cheaters. They were desperate.

I'm happy they found love in each other. They were victims but managed to construct a beautiful relationship to survive and it doesn't make them love less Diego, as a brother or as a lover.

Of course it breaks completely my heart that Diego and Five died without making peace, but while watching not even for a moment I considered that they stopped loving each other. They're brothers, they've went through a lot.

They were doing so fine getting along together since they came back from the apocalypse.... There's no way it would "destroy" and "erase" (terms used by some fans) all the progress that's been made... I think it would be a very shallow interpretation of their relationship and a very futile interpretation of the events. Some of the public is seeing the situation as if Five slept with his wife since the beginning, not as if he had felt in love with her in a very apocaliptical and hopeless situation.

It's essential to remember that nothing said romantic happened for six years. It turned this way only after they having practically given up hope of returning home, so exhausted they were.

I really don't think that such a desperate and lonely situation would erase all the love and dedication Diego have for Five (and Five has no reasons to stop feeling it for Diego too, obviously). Diego was totally the sweetest during this season, he did his best, but Five did too... Now they fought but it doesn't mean their relationship would be forever broken. They were both stressed out, of course, it was a sensitive situation. But, i don't think it would... However with an apocalypse going on, they just didn't have enough time.

Diego was clearly open to understand Lila better, so I really doubt he wouldn't try to do the same with Five. But, again, they were both heart broken, hot headed and with no time. It's sad and it affect them, but "destroy and erase" are very heavy terms and inconsistent with the context of their relationships.

I don't know. I don't know how to conclude this analysis. I just… Am sorry. I honestly feel lucky to have been able to experience Diego, Lila and Five, but I'm so sorry that I couldn't see these three hearts find peace in their complicated loves, even during their final moments. These are three very beautiful love relationships that grew up tangled up and that, unfortunately, couldn't unfold in time to hurt less their lovers.

It felt wonderful and desolate. I hope more people can feel it like i did.

[neahtrix]

Okay but has anyone else got theories on HOW Ben causes an apocalypse??

My bet is that whatever is happening to him is actually kind of splitting him in half, into both Umbrella!Ben and Sparrow!Ben. However, since he has a literal portal to eldrich horrors in him, it’s opening that portal which is creating a big enough gap for those horrors to escape into the world.

It would explain why the army are trying to stop him since, yknow, typical sci-fi world takeover story.

Evidence: no. Just think it’d be funky :)

[blindmagdalena]

rapid fire predictions for the finale of the boys s4: SPOILERS AHEAD.

sage left behind her cute little maeve notebook full of manipulative misinformation that homelander or firecracker or both will conveniently misuse exactly as sage intends them to

sage shows up at the boys headquarters to say 'hey losers, ready for the next stage of my plan?' and reveals to them that she's been the guiding hand for them this whole time, and she was just manipulating homelander. she got fired on purpose as to not be caught up in the downfall of him/the seven/vought. she doesn't want him in power any more than they do. why else would she help them so much? we're left uncertain if this is true or if she just intends to get back in homelander's good graces.

soldier boy and maeve both made merch appearances in e7. one or BOTH of them appear in the eleventh hour of the finale???

billy becomes a meat puppet for joe kessler, setting him up as a secondary BBEG for season 5. we get DOUBLE BUTCHER as he is now the hallucination screaming at joe. ryan will be the key to restoring butcher to his senses? this one is maybe more abstract and unlikely.

this thought i'm WAYYY less jazzed about but feel is possible: homelander, hurt by ryan excluding him from his televised family spiel and possibly driven into a spiral by ryan expressing a desire to leave him, reveals to ryan the truth of how he was conceived, and how there's no way becca actually loved him because of it. he will also throw her death in ryan's face, and how butcher also can't love him because he killed his wife. he will insist that he is the ONLY one capable of loving ryan. he will say literally anything to try and isolate ryan because he is that desperate not to lose him.

[dresh-rx]

Another crack theory back in the days

When i first saw the S2 sets i had this wild theory for Egalt, that he was actually a manifestation of the Spinjitzu Brothers lol

Because the design was just soo Wu & Garm like

I called them the Skizo-draggo

I was so sad it never was true, but Egalt is amazing so whatever :)

[hotdoghottakes]

HOLY SHIT! This week's episode was awesome!

Okay okay theory time!

So, remember how Oliver got a note on his door in season one? " End the podcast or I end you"? How Amy Schumer lampshades in season 2 that we never got confirmation about who poisoned Winnie?

WHAT. IF. That was Sazz's future killer! What if the killer thought that if they investigated Tim's murder, they'd find more than just Jan?!