#ramcoa scripting

[many-but-one]

Okay sysblr I think there’s been a massive misconception on what makes a script.

What a script IS: Abusers using a fictional story or movies to create a “base” to your system. This includes designing your inner world, higher ups, entire system functions, etc based on this script. Unless a script is started when you are very VERY young, these fail more often than not. Common script bases I’ve seen are Alice in Wonderland, Narnia, Halo (as in, the games), and Disney Princess movies. (Disney Princess programs are NOT the same as a Disney Princess script, ftr)

What a script is NOT: Having abusers purposely split fictives based on what “use” they have to them. ie, splitting a maid character if they want a part who will clean for them, splitting a fictional sex worker to do sex work for them, etc.

Scripts are meant to be the basis of your system, they will control every aspect of your system and if done well/correctly, engaging in the media that the script is from can be genuinely catastrophic to a non-healed, non-deprogrammed system.

Scripts are not necessarily uncommon but they aren’t nearly as common as people seem to think because they are DIFFICULT and COMPLEX and require extensive access to a kid to shape their system to fit the script correctly. Our abusers tried to script us too late, to multiple scripts, and failed. Our abusers were extremely skilled programmers and many of our other programs prior to deprogramming were airtight as fuck. They had access to sets and scenes and high quality materials to try to script children.

Point is, it is not easy to script someone—but it IS easy to get them to split certain fictional characters to get them to do certain tasks that will “fit” the characters. I think what a lot of you are experiencing is the purposeful splitting of fictives, which is a normal and common occurrence. It is easier to get a kid to split something that fits a desired template rather than creating a brand new thing and trying to manipulate that part to do the thing. If an alter already believes they are ‘xyz’ character that does ‘xyz’ thing, it will make programming that alter to do that ‘xyz’ task way easier.

Hope this helps, don’t clown on my post. That’s all I’ve got.

-Many but One

[outnumberedsins]

Scripts: What are they, and what aren't they?

Unfortunately, scripts have been subject to major misinformation within certian OEA spaces. Examples are terms such as 'miniscripts', how many scripts a system can have, what media can be a script, etc. This post will cover all of that, as well as provide sources to the best of my ability. These sources contain material that can be triggering, so please tred carefully.

What are scripts?

The term 'script' itself is linked to svalispeaks, who is not a good source. However, the concept itself is documented and referenced to in other ways, so please keep that in mind.

Simply put, a 'script' is a piece of media used as an internal organization program to lay out a systems innerworld, hierarchy, and parts. When done properly, scripts will be a seen in almost everything in a systems internal parts. Those scripted in a particular media will have alters based on characters and a piece of the innerworld based on the universe, each serving a specifically programmed purpose.[1, chp 4 & 6][2 , pg 94]

Scripting will typically begin in infancy or very young age, as any programming does. [3][4][5] This is because the older the child is, the more difficult it is to implement programming, as possible dissociative responses and state of integration have already begun to develop. [6]

Groups that attempt scripting are typically large, sophisticated and organized, as they require a substantial amount of space and time (ex. Multiple rooms and prompts, ability to perform wide ranges of abuse, ability to have frequent access to child). [3][4][5][7 , chp 2 & 4]

Internal structures are common in those who have dealt with TBMC. However, not all of them are scripts. The difference between other structures and scripts are the addition of specific media, such as a religious book, to outline the system.

Scripts vs Forced Introjection

Programmed Introject =/= Script =/= Forced Introject

People often confuse forced introjection for scripts. Sometimes, survivors may even confuse a general introject for a part of a script. While scripts do involve forced introjection, not all forced introjection is scripting.

A script involves more than one alter, programmed around one another, as well as effects to the system structure, innerworlds, and applied programs. Forced introjection does not have to be a part of a script, or even part of OEA at all.

A common example of non-scripted forced introjects, that may themselves be programmed, are abuser introjects. These introjects can be programmed, but may not be a part of a script. [8 , pg 51]

Outside of that, systems may have forced introjects that aren't programmed, or involved in OEA at all. This could be possible from further abuse at a later date, where the perpetrator utilizes the persons CDD to try and get them to split a certian introject. This could be an example of conditioning, but not programming.

Myths and Misinformation:

1. Any piece of media can be a script.

1a. Viable media for scripting must be simple enough for a young child to understand, must have clear and reoccurring themes and morals, and has a consistent storyline. This is due to age of the victim. Media that has been around for a long time are more than likely able to fit these things, along with the fact that repeat adaptations and reoccurrence of the story is common. New, complicated, and long pieces of media make scripting extremely difficult or impossible. Groups that do have the resources to script victims are more likely to resort to tried and true methods, and media that reflects their values [ex. Religious documents], rather then making up an entirely new scripting method.

2. There is no limit on the number of scripts you can have.

2a. Due to the nature of scripts being the complete base of the system, or a major part of it, it would be incredibly difficult to implement more than one script without it failing and breaking down. The child would become very confused and internal structures wouldn't work as required. There is hardly any reason to have more than one script anyways, given the time and effort gone in to creating one.

3. 'Miniscripts.'

3a. 'Miniscripts' are the idea of a script that purposely only involves one layer, or only a couple of alters. While it is possible to have failed or broken programming that results in a broken script, the purpose of a script itself means that it will inhabit more than just a small area of the system. Like previously mentioned, the presence of multiple scripts can easily cause dysfunction and break down the system. Often, 'miniscripts' are just other organizational programming, forced introjection, or simply introjects by themselves.

4. Every TBMC survivor with a CDD has a script.

4a. This is completely false. In fact, it's likely less common to have a script, let alone a fully functioning/complete one, due to the time and effort it takes to implement. You can be programmed and not have a script. It's possible to not have a script yet have other organizational programming. You do not need one.

Specific Scripts:

There were a lot of sources on this matter that I've found but don't particularly trust, but have been sited by ones I do. For this reason I have left out mentions of specific scripts as I didn't have detailed references. However, for the sake of this post, I'd like to mention these following specific scripts I've seen mentioned, however brief, in reading:

The Wizard of Oz

Alice In Wonderland

Nursery Rhymes and Fairy Tales

Original Disney Princesses

Religious Texts

This is not to say these are the only scripts possible, ever. These are just ones I've seen referenced to in a clinical sense, and thus I assume are the most common.

Thank you for reading. If you have any questions, feel free to send an ask or reply to this post. A reminder that I am not a professional, I am flawed, and am just doing my best.

[coyotecoining]

New RAMCOA Script: Dipper Goes to Taco Bell

The victim is convinced that they are Dipper. They are led to a forest that they are told there is a Taco Bell in. The victim will then search for the Taco Bell with the handler. They will be given food and have to go to the bathroom once arriving. The handler will then traumatize the victim in the bathroom. The victim will be convinced that they died and Mabel is going to look for them.

[hc-did-culture-is]

This is gonna sound dumb but what are scripts exactly? We haven't found anything about them in any of our research

-🪽

Script is piece of external media used to structure some part of the system (eg alters/alter roles, innerworld, hierarchy/structure, etc).

So basically the abuser picks a piece of media that has themes/story elements/characters that they want to add to the system, and then they give the victim that media whilst torture/forced dissociation is underway. So the media becomes part of a program. Scripts will often cause introjects to form, who can then be programmed in keeping with the needs of the abuser. The script may also lead to certain story locations being formed as part of the IW, typically ones where important events happen in the story. Those locations will also be tied to programming.

[foundation-of-nightmares]

I swear tbmc/ramcoa is genuinely insane sometimes

Who's grand idea was it to script us with halo??

Fuckin nerds lol

[glagglepilled]

A lot of people in the "RAMCOA" online community are probably lying.

Theres believing victims, and then there's believing utter nonsense. At some point, you have to realise something is up with most of these claims.

Ritual abuse and organised abuse do happen, but does it really happen in the way some of you are claiming it does?

If all your claims are correct, then there are international groups, weaponising dissociation using specified methods. And they have never been caught nor do they have any publicity despite doing this to seemingly thousands of children.

If these groups exist, what are they called? Who is behind them? Why do they all use the same method, is there some kind of manual for doing this? Why has literally nobody gone to authorities? How do they get access to children to do this? Why is this only being talked about on social media such as tumblr and discord? Why have they not been caught? How did any of you get out? Do any of you have proof or evidence?

Yes, authorities can be unhelpful. But SURELY aren't so dumb that they wouldn't make the link if hundreds or thousands of cases popped up internationally claiming the exact same thing. And surely, if they DID make the link, it would be a HUGE scandal.

Yes, i know, there are "scripts" that make it so you cant talk about what happened.. but weirdly enough a lot of you seem just fine talking it about it on tumblr. And, many of you seem to be in therapy and are minors, in (my country at least, probably others too) therapists have a duty to report when children could be at harm, so surely a lot of your cases would've gone out to social workers or the police.

Your stories, simply, do not add up.

It doesn't help that the term RAMCOA has a history with conspiracy theorists and therapists attempting to convince patients of fake SRA in their pasts.

[creature-wizard]

A warning for trauma survivors looking for online support

You may have come across the acronym "RAMCOA", which stands for "ritual abuse, mind control, and organized abuse."

If you search the Internet for RAMCOA, you might come across a result like this:

If you click the link, you'll be taken to a site that briefly describes what RAMCOA supposedly is, with content like:

MC - Mind Control. A shortened form of TBMC, standing for Torture Based Mind Control. MC is also known as programming, where victims are repeatedly tortured starting at a very young age to intentionally cause a system of dissociated parts that function perfectly to suit the abusers' needs.

alpha : a base program, one of the very first implemented. it trains the victim's mind to accept every order given by handlers willingly. parts with alpha programming will often have no will of their own, and very little personality outside of following orders.

aiw : alice in wonderland. typically split into 3 different sections : black alice, white alice, and crazy alice. ideally, a system scripted with aiw would have all three. white alice makes sure the system forgets the trauma, black alice makes the system feel like theyll be a danger to others if they remember the trauma, and crazy alice makes the system think theyre making it up or going insane if they ever remember it.

Literally all of this comes from a conspiracy theory - specifically, the Project Monarch alter programming conspiracy. It was developed and pushed by far right conspiracy theorists. Most of what people run into specifically traces back to Fritz Springmeier, a man who claimed in the 90's that the fight for gay rights was part of a plot to enthrone the antichrist in the year 2000. The Project Monarch conspiracy theory was always adjacent to the Satanic Panic, if not a somewhat niche part of it. If you start checking citations, you will find many of these people citing Svali, a conspiracy theorist who gets a lot of her material from Springmeier. (Example 1, example 2.)

This is no accident. The term RAMCOA was created by the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD), which was created by and for psychologists who believed in the myths promoted during the Satanic Panic.

The RA part comes from "satanic ritual abuse," which was coined by Dr. Lawrence Pazder of Michelle Remembers (cw for descriptions of horrible abuses) fame. Lawrence Pazder is the man who effectively started the Satanic Panic. It cannot be overstated that Pazder, now a known malpractitioner, was considered the expert on ritual abuse during this time.

The MC part comes from "trauma-based mind control," which was coined to refer to the alleged abuses inflicted in Project Monarch. Parts of this conspiracy theory that can't be traced back to Fritz Springmeier can usually be traced back to Cathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips, two other (really racist) conspiracy theorists.

Ultimately, the entire conspiracy theory is constructed from tropes that go back to The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (a known antisemitic hoax), blood libel, and early modern witch panic.

Searching the Internet for RAMCOA resources, ritual abuse, or trauma-based mind control will always bring you to conspiracy theorists.

(Also, the term OEA, which stands for "organized extreme abuse," will lead you to conspiracy theorists as well.)

So yeah, if you're looking for support, be very wary of this stuff. It will absolutely not help you heal; just the opposite.

[granulesofsand]

Reasons people underestimate the prevalence of RAMCOA:

Untraumatized people don’t think about trauma nearly as much as survivors

People don’t know what the signs are. Trainings are shitty when given, attendees don’t think they’ll need to use the information, and trainings offered are usually online and easy to walk away from

Mandatory reporters don’t usually follow through their contracts. This is sometimes a good thing, but it can leave room in the wrong places for endangered children

People who know the signs will ignore them. They think it unlikely, that they’re overreacting, or they just don’t notice

Survivors are quiet. Speaking up puts us in danger, and more people think of us as media material than peers

The police don’t do jack shit for us. Some stations train officers to overlook our cases, and it’s difficult to take to court if a survivor wants to. In larger cases, government works with organized criminal groups that perpetrate or do so themselves for research

We’re a test question. The only time we are brought up in psychology classrooms is if they want to nod to a DID diagnosis. Few therapists are educated and willing to take us on as clients

Abusers know how to make connections with local authority. In high control groups, members may be taught how to abuse and evade interception

All of this makes it hard to report anywhere how many survivors exist free, and the low numbers in turn make us less believable when we do report

RAMCOA includes severe religious abuse, manipulative coercion, programming, cults, trafficking rings, criminal gangs, and more. Survivors are your coworkers, neighbors, cashiers, librarians.

Signs to look for:

Ritual Abuse

History of self-harm, substance use, sui/homicidality, especially with prescribed patterns

Unusual phobias (red or brown foods, kinds of houses, churches, hospitals, fear of the dark or being alone in adults)

Aversion to or obsession with the occult/witchcraft or other faith traditions

Patterns of nightmares, aversions or obsessions with common or nondescript themes (gore, needles, bugs, rodents, monsters, babies, men or women)

Sudden or irresistible urge to relocate, recontact abusers, participate in abusive ceremonies

High pain tolerance

Repeated phrases with violent, aggressive or religious themes

Mind Control and Coercion

Unquestioning obedience of a person or doctrine

Defers to another, speaks as though scripted, frequently accompanied by another or has to ask permission inappropriate for their age

Sudden or dramatic change in behavior, hobbies, or long-standing habits

Refusal to consume media unless approved by another/without further explanation

Anxious or idealized descriptions of childhood home and family, unable to recall these things

No memory of childhood or missing years

Multiple self-states, especially in high quantities

Organized Abuse and Trafficking

Disconnection from peers, family and friends

Does not attend community events or faith services or is perpetually preoccupied with a single group

Repeated unexplained absences from work or school

Disoriented, confused or dissociated for long periods of time or without explanation

Fearful or self-persecutory behavior, especially with allusions to another person or group

Bruises, broken skin or other wounds in various stages of healing

Minors engaging in commercial sex (including CSEM or survival sex)

Timid, skittish, fearful or submissive behaviors (including when this is the norm)

Malnourished, dehydrated, exhausted or with untreated ails

Without belongings or suitable living space

Many indicators of abuses flow together, as do the events themselves. It’s common that RA and OA perps use MC to keep victims in line, and techniques are often implemented by default in abusive environments. A group using RA or MC also qualifies as OA. This is why the community acronym includes all three.

There are more discreet examples for each. It’s possible to find many symptoms of RAMCOA and have none of those maltreatments as the cause. It’s possible to have none and still be abused.

Noticing indicators in children should be followed up by alerting any available reliable authority. Children sometimes disclose using metaphors or slang words they have been taught, so keep this in mind if you work with them.

[foxboyqueer]

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[starlitvases]

Hello,

I am the system that first pointed out snowchester-system's racism here on Tumblr. I want to say something to everyone who was affected by their actions, whether it be the racist actions, the RAMCOA/OEA bait, or both at the same time.

I think I speak for everyone when I say that we as a community are devastated by the bait account's actions, either because we fell for it or because we are acutely aware of the harm they have caused.

If you believed them and are now hurt, know that your feelings are valid. Many of us are vulnerable survivors and may miss the signs of dishonesty. It is not your fault. If anyone wants to let out their grievance, my DMs and asks are open.

I cannot overstate that their actions are inexcusable. Every bait account blog that is coming out as bait has a responsibility to take accountability for their actions. I acknowledge that many won't, but it's the truth nonetheless.

For systems of color, especially Latino systems, this message is for your specifically: you did not deserve to have your language and culture mocked. I speak as a Latina system when I say that I'm beyond disgusted that these bait accounts didn't see the harm in being discriminatory towards our community in their goals. Our culture is rich, expressive, and valuable. Our culture never deserved to be made a mockery, especially in a community that has deep trauma. As I've stated before, anyone affected by these bait blogs' actions is welcome in my DMs or my Tumblr asks.

I think it's important to dispell some of the myths these accounts have made. Here are some of the highlights:

1. You can be racist against an ethnic group you're also a part of. This is called internalised racism. Snowchester-system claims to be Puerto Rican and therefore cannot be racist against Mexicans. Pushing negative stereotypes against Mexicans is still a racist action. Being Puerto Rican does not change this.

2. Scripts are rarely used because of the time and resources they require. They take a long time to input into a child and an even longer time to develop a useable script at all. Many groups do not have the resources needed to implement a script into a child. Scripts also need to be implemented early. They cannot be implemented after the ages of 4-5 due to normal child development. A child at and after these ages will start to separate fantasy from reality and will likely be able to determine that the script being presented to them isn't real. For this reason, scripts need to be implemented starting very early, preferably very shortly after birth. When implementing a script, it needs to be uncomplicated, short, and believable to an infant. Long and complicated scripts are extremely unlikely to stick to a child.

3. Witsec is highly unlikely to move someone outside of the US due to jurisdiction complications. They also very much would not move someone to a country where international ties are fragile, like Mexico. People in Witsec are not allowed social media as this breaks anonymity and increases the risk of being discovered.

I highly encourage people to do their research if you suspect someone to be lying. These bait accounts are a tragedy for everyone involved, but we can still learn from it. I hope that as a community, we can all heal from this.

[requiemsystem]

PROGRAMMING MISCONCEPTIONS

Trigger warning for discussions of programming and RAMCOA. CLOCKING Clocking is not a real thing. It's arguably one of the stupidest things I've heard of in this community. I don't blame people for believing it, paranoia is understandable, but I absolutely do blame the person who chose to spread that misinformation in the first place. It operates under the assumption that everyone comes from similar groups with similar hierarchies, which is just not true. There is no possible way for someone from a completely different group with a completely different structure to tell your rank or anything about your group just by looking at you. What is possible is identifying dissociative traits and trauma responses as well as potentially attire matching specific groups, if you are still involved with your group. Even this would take some level of practice and familiarity with the individual, you probably can't tell some random stranger in the grocery store is traumatized and dissociative just by looking at them, the same is true for anyone else. INTERNET PROGRAMMING You can't be programmed over the internet. You just can't. Programming requires someone in person torturing you and causing you to dissociate, this is not possible virtually. Programming takes a degree of control and torture that is just not possible over the internet. What is possible, and what is probably being mistaken for programming over the internet, is virtual manipulation and grooming. PROGRAMMING OUTSIDE OF A GROUP Programming is inherently organized because of the nature of the abuse, there need to be multiple people to reinforce the abuse. If only one person were involved it would fall apart from not enough reinforcement and exposure to cues. Even if there aren't many active abusers, there have to be people complicit in the abuse and allowing it to occur. Programming groups typically have multiple victims as well, it's very unlikely that they just suddenly decided to program only one child one day. What can happen outside of a group setting is conditioning, which is frequently mistaken for programming. For more details, see this post. SCRIPTING Scripts have to be implemented very early on, and it's very hard to implement a script. Most programming survivors will not have scripts. It's also unlikely to have multiple scripts, as they would get confused very easily. I also dislike the term "miniscript", as it's still a script even if it only affects one part of the system. What commonly gets confused for scripting is forced introjection, where alters are forcibly introjected as certain characters. Scripting involves molding the innerworld and programming around the media, forced introjection does not. PROGRAMMING AFTER THE AGE OF OSDDID FORMATION The entire purpose of programming is to create dissociative states in the individual, this cannot occur past the age of OSDDID formation. What can happen past the age of system formation is someone manipulating and abusing you, which can cause further splitting, but this would not be programming as it doesn't have to do with the formation of your system. To my knowledge, programming has to do with the actual creation of the system, not just causing someone to split. I am a bit uncertain about this, so correct me if I'm wrong. DEPROGRAMMING You cannot be deprogrammed without a lot of internal work. You have to put in a lot of work yourself and with a reputable therapist to effectively deprogram. It isn't something that happens overnight, and it's not something that can be done to you if you aren't ready, and you have to be in a safe and stable environment in order to effectively deprogram. PROGRAMMING ONLY OCCURRING A FEW TIMES In order for programming to be actually effective, it has to occur repeatedly on a regular basis. It cannot happen just a couple of times. This isn't to say it has to be constantly occurring, but it has to be semi-regular and reinforced via activation of cues. If it happened infrequently, it would be much less likely to cause dissociation. - C-004-2

[ratinacoat]

i really think all these brand new ‘hc-did ramcoa survivor with a modern script’ intro posts from different blogs are the same person role playing this. or maybe a couple people who know each other. otherwise them all happening at once and being so clearly troll/RP accounts is just too much coincidence.

After looking through a lot of them, I agree. It's truly harmful to the CDD community and unfortunate that someone may be making bait like this. If it's not bait then I don't know what to think. It's insane.

[rosestraumablog]

Uhhh what is going on in the ramcoa tag rn?? Like dsmp script??? Excuse me!? Y’all are. . . Something

Have a nice day

[svyetofor]

The existence of 'transRAMCOA' and similar bullshit labels is exactly why older RAMCOA survivors have been telling us to keep our abuse private. Stop posting programming scripts and sharing types of programs. Stop explaining the way trafficking or cults works in families. Stop providing strangers with details to your system, how it was programmed, and how you got that way.

This doesn't mean keep it a secret. Keep it in closed RAMCOA spaces as much as possible. Not only is sharing those details publicly very dangerous for yourself and other survivors who might come across it and be triggered, it's now dangerous in that it is giving a bunch of freaks the ammunition they need to completely discredit everything that survivors and professionals have worked DECADES for.

The majority of professionals in my country do not take RAMCOA or any forms of extreme abuse seriously and deny the existence of disorders like DID – domestic violence is legal here, they do not care about ''regular'' abuse, let alone extreme. Even in the USA, RAMCOA survivors are constantly being dismissed and ignored for the association people have with the 'satanic panic' in the late 20th century. Whether our real, lived experiences even happened is still debated by people who never experienced it and don't even know us. Now, with these new 'trans-disorder'/'trans-abuse' freaks, there is just another reason for us to be completely ignored, disregarded and discarded as making it all up.

The same thing happened when DID began to get more public recognition online through people being open about their experiences and trying to get people to believe us. Suddenly there was a massive wave of losers 'identifying' as having our disorder. They came up with new terms and made themselves a bunch of ''pride flags'' to go with it. 'TransRAMCOA' is identical (though I have noticed there is a significant number who actually seem to have a sexual fetish for it, which is even more disgusting and these people deserve to take a long walk off a short pier with weights tied to their ankles).

Keep yourself and others safe. Keep the details of your programming and abuse in safe, private spaces. As unfortunate as it is, sharing the details is very dangerous, which these 'transRAMCOA' people have only proven.

AND PLEASE AVOID THE TRANSRAMCOA TAGS AT ALL COSTS. THERE ARE PEOPLE POSTING KINKS AND FANTASIES ABOUT RAMCOA AND OPENLY SEXUALISING OUR TRAUMAS.

[confessions-of-a-doormat]

I hate when people call everything a fucking cult. It shows how little so many people know about fucking cults and how fucking hard it is to get out. Sure, they’re good at drawing you in, but they also require you to stick to the fucking script. Questioning authority is discouraged, you go through a whole process of indoctrination. They prey on people who doesn’t have a good support system or is going through a rough time, they isolate you from the fucking world, your life, your family, your friends. They try to control everything about you. People aren’t allowed to disagree or explore other viewpoints. Cults have: a charismatic leader, indoctrination process, and strict guidelines for your life (like where you live, what you wear, who you see, what you get to do) you have to follow.  You wanna criticize a group for being shitty? Go right ahead. But don’t you dare compare very much non-cult things to cults, when you have no fucking idea what it’s like for those who’ve had to go through that actual shit.

Disclaimer: I am not saying to look into cults if you have RAMCOA trauma or it would be triggering for you. I just want people to actually use their brain. Please take care of yourself if this is a triggering subject.

[shihkas]

It’s dishonest not to include in your loud and angry defence of Allison Miller that she voluntarily surrendered her license *after* she was investigated by a professional licensing board that found she said she ‘had no reason to doubt the authenticity’ of her patients stories (but she doesn’t believe them, huh?), that her beliefs about abuse and trauma and mental health were unusual and out of step with the field, and that she expressed unfounded certainty about cult activity. The way people who want to die on the hill of this project monarch shit cherry-pick information and leave it out when it’s inconvenient to defending your favorite conspiracy doctors is shameless.

Why are you bold-faced lying in my inbox when the links I cited directly counter your claims?

I'll break it down: we have two parties, The Satanic Temple/Grey Faction (Douglas/Doug Mesner/Doug Misicko/Lucian Greaves), and Alison Miller, countering one another's claims. One of these people aggressively hates Jewish people, and the other describes antisemitic survivor beliefs; it shouldn't surprise you that groups and cults who torture people probably don't have the greatest morals and probably pass on some pretty awful beliefs to those they abuse.

From Alison Miller:

“The reason I discontinued my membership in the College of Psychologists has nothing to do with the Grey Faction’s harassing complaint about my writings and online videos. I left the College because I am 78 years old. I retired two years ago.”

“When Evan Anderson [director of Grey Faction] complained about my work, the College asked [not investigated] me about my professional activities since retirement, and let me know that (a) I did not have to remain a member after retirement as long as another member knew the location of my clinical records, and (b) speaking and writing were considered to be providing psychological services, which was forbidden to non-practicing members—but if I discontinued membership, my speaking and writing activities would no longer be the concern of the licensing body. It became evident to me that I no longer needed to maintain this unnecessary membership which now prohibited me from speaking and writing, so I resigned from the College.”

So to be clear what happened was the College told her "just so you know, you can't provide psychological services because you're retired, but you can also just revoke your membership." It literally had nothing to do with Grey Faction's claims. They (the College) just didn't know she was offering "psychological services" (...speaking and writing) until Grey Faction brought it to their attention. Keep in mind once again Grey Faction exists entirely to deny the existence of ritual abuse and target therapists and survivors.

And nowhere did I bring up Project Monarch what the fuck are you talking about? I think you're jumping to conclusions that I'm one of those fucking "RAMCOA Minecraft script" believer people.

Ritual abuse is relatively common in the global south and so-called third world countries. As someone who is an immigrant and as someone whose Entire family has been DIRECTLY affected by ritual abuse for multiple generations I would Really appreciate not being lumped with 15 year olds who just want to be special.

To be clear I also don't think RA, MC, or OA are "the worst types of abuse", that's how we got here in the first place. There is no "worst type of abuse". There are just DIFFERENT types of abuse. It's not good for trauma recovery to fixate on what's "worse" or "better".

I'm putting the rest of this under a read more as I want to cite sources and provide evidence of how ritual abuse isn't actually as outlandish as people make it sound. Upsetting descriptions of CSA and ritual abuse as well as cited examples are below the cut so tread carefully.

First of all let's define "ritual," here is the Cambridge dictionary definition of the word "ritual":

"a way of doing something in which the same actions are done in the same way every time [...] a fixed set of actions and words, especially as part of a religious ceremony."

In this context, "religious ceremony" can also be understood as expressing devotion to an ideology (which is also exactly what religious ceremonies are anyways.)

Examples of common "rituals" (also referred to as a schedule, routine, etc., see synonyms below):

Having a specific "morning" or "evening" routine, especially if you do them in a set order

Having set meal times, especially in the context of a family's routine (even more so if it is important for the family to say grace prior to eating, or similar habits)

Having tea at a specific time every day

Examples of common abusive "ritual practices":

Hazing rituals, which have been documented in fraternities and sports teams

Gang initiations, especially if violent

Military initiations (sanctioned and unsanctioned)

(some of) Merriam-Webster's synonyms for the word "ritual":

habit

custom

practice

routine

pattern

regimen

Let's define "ritual abuse", and I won't use Miller's description just for this argument specifically. Here is the article I am citing. This is a research article. This article is impartial to the belief and disbelief of ritual abuse because you are Supposed to be as impartial as possible when you are writing research papers. The writers of this article are simply presenting their findings.

First, here's a definition of organized abuse, as ritual abuse falls under the umbrella, also keep in mind I said "a definition" and not "THE definition" as organized sexual abuse is not the only type of organized abuse (labour trafficking, etc.):

Sexual child abuse involving a network of perpetrators acting repeatedly and jointly on multiple victims is defined as ‘organized abuse’

And here is their definition of ritual abuse:

Organized abuse that follows a (pseudo-) ideological strategy (e.g., symbols or group activities with religious, magical, or supernatural connotations) in order to frighten and intimidate the children or to force the victims to participate whilst simultaneously accomplishing the perpetrators’ exculpation is referred to as ‘ritual abuse’

When they say "...magical or supernatural connotations" they are not saying that these groups are Literally magical or supernatural in nature. They are relaying information from the individuals surveyed, where some stated that their abuser groups aligned themselves with magical or supernatural elements.

What they are basically saying is that these organized groups pervert ideology (religion, spirituality, etc.) to scare group members. For example: "if you don't do this the devil is gonna get you," which sounds ridiculous to you and I because we're adults, but a five year old isn't going to know any better.

So now let's talk about a well-known example of ritual child abuse that happened in America, the Waco siege and the Branch Davidian cult:

(the following is from "The Boy Who was Raised as a Dog" by child psychiatrist Bruce D. Perry)

Inside the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, children lived in a world of fear. Even babies weren’t immune: cult leader David Koresh believed that the wills of infants—some just eight months old—needed to be broken with strict physical discipline if they were to stay “in the light.”

And he was a god who ruled by fear. Children (and sometimes even adults) were in constant fear of the physical attacks and public humiliation that could result from the tiniest error, like spilling milk. Punishment often involved being beaten bloody with a wooden paddle called “the helper.” Davidian children also feared hunger: those who “misbehaved” could be deprived of food for days or put on a bland diet of only potatoes or bread. Sometimes, they would be isolated overnight.

And, for the girls, there was knowledge that they would ultimately become a “Bride of David.” In a unique form of sanctioned sexual abuse girls as young as ten were groomed to become Koresh’s sexual partners. A former member said Koresh once excitedly compared the heartbeats of the prepubescent girls he violated to those of hunted animals.

Throughout the rest of this chapter in this book, Perry, who worked closely with these children, describes in even more explicit and upsetting detail the trauma these children and infants were put through. This isn't a fucking conspiracy theory, this actually happened. Some of these children are still alive today. This is what ritual abuse Actually Is.

Do not come back in my inbox and tell me this is fake or I am misconstruing ritual abuse. You are the one who has been lead to misbelieve that ritual abuse = men in black robes belonging to worldwide satanic cults decapitating babies en masse and chanting over their bodies while surrounded by candles (which, by the way, that kind of murder and maiming of children, including infants, in this fashion does, very tragically, actually happen in war and conflict.)