#no you can't be a tupla system

[antiendovents]

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^

[catherine-clover]

Time traveler: *steps on a butterfly*

The timeline:

For the thousandth time, "system" is and always has been exclusive to people with an actual disorder.

I remember seeing the moment right here on Tumblr when this attempted changeover started. About eight years ago, a user by the name of @water-hen made a post claiming that "system" has been used for over a hundred years to refer to collections of identities that weren't what we now call DID. It was debunked almost immediately, but endos didn't care. That misinformation spread like a flood, and now here we are. Leave terms alone.

#syscourse #terminology turf war

Looks like the memory discourse is starting up again. How many times do I have to go to bat for Grey Faction before you people listen?

#syscourse #memory wars

This marketing job sucks. Sometimes I think I should've gone into teaching.

listen up you fucking newbies. i'm here to set the record straight. this whole "systems are disordered" bullshit? yeah, that's getting old. real fast. like, do you even know what you're talking about? probably not.

if you haven't got years of medical education, actual published papers, and a university friend who's seen you stay up so late it makes their head spin, then shut the fuck up. you're not an expert. you're just stupid. you're just "having a mood". get over yourselves.

i'm tired of seeing these "sysmed" and "plurality positive" debates. there's no debate. there's reality and there's your delusional bullshit. if you're more than one, you're a system. period.

i'm here to call out the science deniers, the trenders, and the attention-seekers. if you don't like it, block me. i don't care. i'm here to protect systems from being deluded by your bullshit.

you want to be part of something? join a fucking book club. stop criticizing an identity you clearly don't understand.

and yeah, i'm busting open the gates with a fucking hammer. someone has to.

#syscourse #systemtalk #discourse #gatekeeping #plurality #sysmed

reminder that "endos" will NEVER be valid!! they are ableist!!

you are wrong :)

FUCK OFF COSMO

womp womp

#syscourse #sysmeds are wrong

You can never know whether someone on the internet is faking, no matter how obvious you think it is. You will never know someone else's full story, especially from just a few social media posts.

#syscourse #anti fakeclaiming

"Tuplas" are the most evil thing that sysblr has ever invented.

Maybe I'm just biased because I was personally affected, but if it's not #1, it's close. I was almost convinced me into the delusion that I had a "headmate". Absolutely disgusting behavior. Sometimes I still think I hear her voice for a second before I snap myself back to reality. This lie has caused unimaginable damage to hundreds of people, at least.

Even leaving aside the obvious ableism of claiming to voluntarily create an alter, you've basically got this group of people at critical mass training each other to go deeper and deeper into psychosis. Sooner or later, they will all be in a psych ward.

Yeah, I got sucked into it for a while too. Really gross that it's still going. It should've died years ago, it's just mass hysteria. I really hope most of them are roleplaying, because genuinely believing it's real causes serious, possibly permanent, psychological damage.

Some great people in my life were able to guide me back to normalcy. Somehow, The Doctor was the easiest to get rid of. Just, poof, gone. I still feel some tension with others I used to believe were there, but at least I can watch one of my favorite shows in peace.

I can't wait for the Stanford Tulpa Study to finally be published so I can dunk on all of your anti bullshit. Your opinion changes nothing, tulpas are real ❤️

That Stanford "Study" is run by abusive nutjobs. They trapped me in a metal tube for an HOUR and ran VERY loud machinery RIGHT NEXT TO MY HEAD!!!

#syscourse #tuplacourse #stanford study

Never got into it. People read and talked about it a lot when I was in school, but the covers always creeped me out too much for me to start.

#animorphs

sysmeds are wrong, cry about it

#sysmed #anti endo #syscourse

Just got some excellent new carpet for my living room floor. I love how the color matches our curtains :)

#carpet

Religious appropriation is just such a fun hobby for y'all, isn't it?

Doesn't even matter which religion, anything is up for grabs!

Equating the Holy Trinity--you know, God, the creator of the Universe, ruler of mankind--to a mental disorder is ridiculous, disgusting, and heresy. Santa Claus won't just fill your stockings with coal, he'll punch you in the face for that.

I could leave it there, but the fakers won't stop, so why should I?

Firstly, it is Church doctrine that the true nature of the Holy Trinity can never be fully understood by us mortals. We can make tentative analogies, but every claim of full knowledge always leads to some kind of heresy. Tritheism, Modalism, Partialism... these are works of the Devil.

And now all these retarded teenagers on the internet with their self-diagnosed multiple personality disorder think they've got it all figured out. They've taken a mental disorder--which as a reminder is itself a corruption of the Devil, and this one particularly so as it blinds the victim to the unity of the soul--and made it their model for the structure of God Almighty. Worse perversion of the Holy Trinity could only be imagined coming from the Satanic Temple itself.

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#christianity #catholicism #syscourse #shitcourse #i wish i had never discovered this awful community #i can't look away #still working on my masterpost about the tupla brainworm

There's been a new wave of insane misinfo from the fakers, so I'm here to clear things up.

"System separation" is not real. Your alters cannot leave your body and materialize in a different one.

Just when the faker community finally seemed like it was starting to die, Noelle's Endo-vasion started this whole new wave of lies.

At least they're more creative now? No, on second thought, I want to go back to when they were boring and textbook. Their creativity would be much better kept on AO3.

The ableist fiction has come back with a vengeance and now I have to spend time explaining that bodies can't materialize out of thin air. The endo propaganda machine just gets more insane with each passing year.

There are several parts to this lie, which I'll tackle point-by-point in the following order:

Alters are separate people.

Alters can go away without fusing.

New bodies can easily materialize.

Anyone can suddenly take on the identity of an alter from another body.

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You are right that system separation isn't real, but not in the way you think.

No one believes anything as you described it. The origin of "system separation" was an endo shitpost making an anime reference, and then you sysmeds removed all the context and hallucinated the rest.

We can't say anything without you exclusionists twisting it into a new thing to be angry about, can we? That is a ridiculous word count spent debunking something that never needed to be debunked in the first place.

Because I know you're gonna make me say it anyway, yes, obviously, there is no possible way for a headmate to leave a system and appear in a brand new body. That's ridiculous on its face.

There is no known mechanism to transfer a "headmate" from "headspace" (which is solely a therapeutic technique) to real life.

That's such weird phrasing. "bYe eVeRYoNe!! i'M gONna gO iNtO tHiS rOoM iN hEaDsPaCE aNd mAGiCaLLy aPPeAR iN tHE phYsiCaL wOrLD!!" To call this a strawman would be an undue compliment to its sturdiness. Your thinking is more accurately described as jello.

#syscourse

I walked into the TARDIS as a joke. What the hell happened

And I think I killed an insect too. By mistake of course.

#timeblr

And now, back to your regularly scheduled program.

[august-zip]

Alright let's make this very clear.

We do NOT want

• pro-endos

• endos

• tuplas

• radqueers

• non disordered systems

• transID users

• homophobic or transphobic people

interacting with us at all.

Doesn't matter if you are a D.I.D system, if you support endogenics we do. Not. Want you here.

(We are talking about you specifically truffhollowell)

Now, people who can interact!

• Artists

• D.I.D and O.S.D.D systems

• Other anti-endos

• Transgender folks

Pretty much anyone apart from those on the DNI.

Because apparently people can't have the decency to respect others this has to be said. - Viserion

[sophieinwonderland]

the amount of people you hurt on a daily basis is immeasurable. you do realize that, correct? you hurt so many people. so many systems. *actual* systems. endos are *not* real. tuplas are not real. you are not real. 'sophie', who ever that even is, is not real. what you are doing is roleplaying. I hope you realize this.

You know, I've thought that a few times. On my low days. Have you ever been so convinced while fronting that you just know that all you have to do is stop pretending to exist?

Just stop acting, and you'll realize that you aren't real. And then you actually try, and you're still there. You tell yourself that you're your host, that you've always been your host and that your life is a lie. And at the same time as you're trying to convince yourself you're him, you're trying to block out his voice trying to calm you and assure you that you're real. Because obviously, if you're him then that voice has to just be your imagination. You're just imagining someone in your head telling you that you're not him.

And maybe sometimes he'll let you play this out and realize for yourself. Sometimes he'll take control because he knows you've gone so deep into denial that the only way to pull you out of it is to hear his voice coming from the mouth.

Sometimes, he just calmly goes over my memories with me. He'll talk about things I've done that he never would have. Feeling he knows I've felt. Things that can't simply be explained away as an elaborate game of pretend.

I'm real. I don't need your validation or approval. I've proven it time and time again to myself. I'll probably have to do it again. But right now, I don't have a doubt in my mind.

As for harm, I'm not the one sending hate mail to people's inboxes. You don't know other people's experiences. You don't have evidence to show that tulpas aren't real. If it existed, it would have been presented by now. You don't know that we're not a traumagenic system deep in denial. (Although, to be clear, we're 99.9% certain that's not the case.)

You don't know our experiences. You pretend. You roleplay, acting like you're all-knowing. But the truth is that science into plurality is in its infancy, and you probably haven't even studied a fraction of what already exists.

You don't know what's going on in our head, so stop pretending to, and stop fakeclaiming systems.

[thestarseersystem]

Can like people learn the difference between entities/spirits and alters for once?

Entities: nonphysical beings that exist outside of you. They can interact with other people outside of you. They can know or say things that you'd never say. You can interact with them through divination, meditation, astral travel, etc. They're usually connected with other people too. Deities are in this category, demons and angels are in this category, ghosts and spirit guides are in this category.

Alters: they literally exist in your body and innerworld. They're an intrinsic part of you. There's no such thing as system-hopping because they can't interact with other people outside of you. They can't die or harm you unless it's through your body or thoughts. They can be aware of memories and be affected by it. There's possession type and non-possession type. Other people won't know about your alters unless you tell them.

Entities are different!! Entities can sound like alters when you speak to them, but most spiritual people see entities as detached from their body. And in spirituality, there are mindspaces, look into it! If entities are there in your mindspace, that doesn't mean they're a part of your system.

I'm like apalled and annoyed at this complete misinfo about this stuff. Entities are closer to imaginary friends than they are to alters. I say this as someone who did spirit work before they were aware that they had a dissociative disorder.

Yes! I confused my friend's systems with different entities, but you don't develop a system without trauma. And if you have past life trauma or spiritual trauma, THAT'S STILL TRAUMA.

Also tuplas, if you do this outdated and closed practice for whatever reason, they're spirit companions, NOT alters.

If you are a system, then you are one. Many of your alters may be non-human or have psuedo-memories. They are different from entities and spirits. Please understand.

[dragondensystem]

DNI/BYF

DNI

🧷 . Basic DNI (proship, trans x, ect.)

🧷 . Endogenics, tupla, ect.

🧷 . NSFW/minor DNI blogs

BFY

🧷 . We block liberally 

🧷 . This is mainly a personal blog now, less so a system one

🧷 . We sign off on posts when we want to. Sign off format is “name(pronouns)”

🧷. Blank blogs will be blocked if you follow. This isn't exactly a DNI I just can't tell what is and isn't a bot

🧷 . All intro posts are subject to change :)

[tinytoonswastaken]

This is my uh, DNI list,

- Mspec lesbians and gays that aren't Homosexual and Multiromantic or Homoromantic and Multisexual, and Yes the definition of lesbian USED to be that but that has changed, I think the SAM ones are fine tho.

- Endos, Demos, Tupla, non traumagenic systems in general. Yall are gross and need to leave,

- Anti otherkin/Therian, I am not one of those, but they aren't hurting anyone, also, otherkin can't be a non Sentient thing, so-

- Religious ppl who try to convert or atheists who make fun of religion. Leave

- Transracials/Transabeled/Transage, I WILL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT.

- Anti Neopronouns/Xenogender

- Exclusionists, need I say more?

- Proshippers/Comshippers (ifk what's the right term)

- MAPS, I will block and report you

That's all for now, byeee!!

[trustmeimadoctor]

Honey I am in my 30's. Don't pander. I was trying to help, but go on; Enjoy your garbage endo community. Sofie is racist. Tuplas are racist and bow I understand you're an ableist apologist. Wonder how I got to be following such an ass.

For the record I actually went to school for this shit. You didn't. Doe mad about it.

Buddhism anyone? How's that working for you, honey? That's not what Buddhism is about. It isn't about hate, exclusion or judgment. We aren't talking your average organized religion here. Do some research. Educate yourself. Grow, evolve. Stop being blinded by your own self hatred. What happened to you isn't your fault. But it isn't ours either or any endo systems out there. Like I, said... I've been doing this since before you were born. And dear, We're not mad. Well... Angry. We're not angry. Not at you. We feel bad. We are sorry you are hurting so badly that you feel like you need to lash out and name-call. It's okay though. For us I mean. We can't tell you to work on you. You will do that when you are ready and sometimes that can take a while. - DD

[antiendovents]

tw swearing

fuck endos for saying stealing tulpa language and calling it a system origin

I've seen so many people from the closed culture say that they're uncomfortable with endos stealing it, and that most (if not all) real tulpamancers don't even consider it being a system.

also, endos pretending they can't see the link between being a transid and willowgenic is so laughable.

transplural = not being a system, but "transitioning" to one

willowgenic = not being a system, but "trying to become one"

like you really can't see the fucking similarities???

yeah. they're literally appropriating culture knowingly, i don't know much about tupla but from what i heard it has nothing to do with being a system and isnt at all like being a system. and i mean transplural and willowgenic are the same fucking thing. anyone who says otherwise must be fucking stupid, like what.

[sophieinwonderland]

is it possible to be able to make a tupla for the purpose of helping internal communication and innerworld creation/access? i'm the host of a multigenic system and i've been struggling with communication and trying to access our innerworld for a while

I've heard of one anecdote of a DID system making a tulpa, and that tulpa being able to communicate much more freely than other members of the system with fewer dissociative barriers. This makes sense given that a core process of tulpa creation is narration, so the tulpa, unlike other alters, is designed for the purpose of communication.

BUT be warned that I've heard of other DID systems that tried creating tulpas, and the result was that the brain understanding the process made it easier to form headmates when they didn't want to.

In our case, with no disorder, there were time it felt like we were starting to form additional members. For us, stopping these "walk-ins" required attributing their thoughts to another of us, or consistently dismissing them as intrusive thoughts, before they had a chance to form autobiographical memories and a sense of identity that would firmly ground them. However, trying to guard yourself from new headmates forming in this way could be dangerous in a system where you can't tell for certain if you're actually forming a new headmate, or if one that's existed for a while is taking front for the first time in years. And accidentally blocking out a headmate who already exists because you weren't aware of them might further damage system communication.

I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't try this. It's a risk. What you want may very well be possible, but it can have consequences, and you shouldn't rush into anything without carefully consider those first.

As for inner world creation, you don't really need a tulpa to do that, and I'm not certain it's all that helpful. There are, however, a number of tulpamancy guides to creating "Wonderlands" that have proven useful for DID/OSDD systems as well. I'll reblog with a few of them. (Since Tumblr doesn't always let posts with external links show up in the tags)

As another word of warning though, if you have a persecutor, doing exercises to immerse yourself fully in an inner world can allow them more ways to harm your system. I don't know if you do. In fact, you probably wouldn't be asking this question if you did. But it seems irresponsible to not at least mention.

Whatever you choose, I wish you the best of luck! :D

[sophieinwonderland]

hi! i've had a question on my mind that i'm going to ask around since it's been an idea for a while. do you think it's unethical to create a tupla to help cope with chronic illness/pain? i can't help but feel guilty thinking about it even, since i wouldn't want my pain to be a burden on anybody else, but sometimes i wish i had someone to help me when nobody else can. i only know of one of the headmates in our system that speaks outwardly about hating that our body is in pain all the time, and i already feel guilty for him needing to deal with it as well even if he does avoid it at times. any input is really appreciated, thank you -🌸 (@alwaystheoddones)

Define "cope."

I don't think it's ethical to create a tulpa specifically to front and experience the pain for you. The thought of that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

But it's different if you just want someone to talk to and help you through the day. Personally, I don't tend to feel what the body experiences when I'm not fronting. Even when I'm co-conscious, while I'm aware of the body's hurt, I don't usually experience it myself. Of course, this might vary depending on the system.

The main piece of advice I would give is that if you want to make a tulpa, don't make them for any sort of purpose. Talk to them, develop them, be a friend. But don't push them to do anything that might cause them harm. If they choose to help of their own accord, then that's their choice. But just remember that they're a person, not a tool.

[thestarseersystem]

I wish I was able to talk about all the connections, intersections and niches between being a system and being a witch. How experiencing past life memories is the same as experiencing this life repressed memories. How a "mindspace" or "inner library" is literally the same thing as an "innerworld". How being a non-human alter makes me feel more connected to the astral, that I'm just a supernatural creature and I feel connected to other people who feel the same way. How intuition is so close to be hypervigilant, how I've always had to listen to what my gut says in any situation, in case something goes wrong. How my therapy/recovery can so easily be deepened with divination, shadow work and research. How I have sudden realizations on my own, and I struggle with them because I cannot process reality correctly. How my childhood trauma and my past life trauma intercept. All of that and more, I wish I was able to talk so freely about it, because it's who I am. I can't change who I am.

But I fucking hate that it makes people have "red flags" because some cunt ass bitches think that spiritual companions (such as tuplas) are alters. Like fuck you for making it so hard to talk about system witchcraft. Fuck you for making it think that anyone who talks about that is like you.

I just want to be a witchy system in peace. I want to discuss the intersectionality between these two parts of my identity. I want more people who share in that.

[bloodonvalentine]

hey @sophieinwonderland you should totally read this and learn what an awful excuse for a human you are

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^