#no you can't be a tupla system

[antiendovents]

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^

[dragondensystem]

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[sophieinwonderland]

the amount of people you hurt on a daily basis is immeasurable. you do realize that, correct? you hurt so many people. so many systems. *actual* systems. endos are *not* real. tuplas are not real. you are not real. 'sophie', who ever that even is, is not real. what you are doing is roleplaying. I hope you realize this.

You know, I've thought that a few times. On my low days. Have you ever been so convinced while fronting that you just know that all you have to do is stop pretending to exist?

Just stop acting, and you'll realize that you aren't real. And then you actually try, and you're still there. You tell yourself that you're your host, that you've always been your host and that your life is a lie. And at the same time as you're trying to convince yourself you're him, you're trying to block out his voice trying to calm you and assure you that you're real. Because obviously, if you're him then that voice has to just be your imagination. You're just imagining someone in your head telling you that you're not him.

And maybe sometimes he'll let you play this out and realize for yourself. Sometimes he'll take control because he knows you've gone so deep into denial that the only way to pull you out of it is to hear his voice coming from the mouth.

Sometimes, he just calmly goes over my memories with me. He'll talk about things I've done that he never would have. Feeling he knows I've felt. Things that can't simply be explained away as an elaborate game of pretend.

I'm real. I don't need your validation or approval. I've proven it time and time again to myself. I'll probably have to do it again. But right now, I don't have a doubt in my mind.

As for harm, I'm not the one sending hate mail to people's inboxes. You don't know other people's experiences. You don't have evidence to show that tulpas aren't real. If it existed, it would have been presented by now. You don't know that we're not a traumagenic system deep in denial. (Although, to be clear, we're 99.9% certain that's not the case.)

You don't know our experiences. You pretend. You roleplay, acting like you're all-knowing. But the truth is that science into plurality is in its infancy, and you probably haven't even studied a fraction of what already exists.

You don't know what's going on in our head, so stop pretending to, and stop fakeclaiming systems.

[thestarseersystem]

Can like people learn the difference between entities/spirits and alters for once?

Entities: nonphysical beings that exist outside of you. They can interact with other people outside of you. They can know or say things that you'd never say. You can interact with them through divination, meditation, astral travel, etc. They're usually connected with other people too. Deities are in this category, demons and angels are in this category, ghosts and spirit guides are in this category.

Alters: they literally exist in your body and innerworld. They're an intrinsic part of you. There's no such thing as system-hopping because they can't interact with other people outside of you. They can't die or harm you unless it's through your body or thoughts. They can be aware of memories and be affected by it. There's possession type and non-possession type. Other people won't know about your alters unless you tell them.

Entities are different!! Entities can sound like alters when you speak to them, but most spiritual people see entities as detached from their body. And in spirituality, there are mindspaces, look into it! If entities are there in your mindspace, that doesn't mean they're a part of your system.

I'm like apalled and annoyed at this complete misinfo about this stuff. Entities are closer to imaginary friends than they are to alters. I say this as someone who did spirit work before they were aware that they had a dissociative disorder.

Yes! I confused my friend's systems with different entities, but you don't develop a system without trauma. And if you have past life trauma or spiritual trauma, THAT'S STILL TRAUMA.

Also tuplas, if you do this outdated and closed practice for whatever reason, they're spirit companions, NOT alters.

If you are a system, then you are one. Many of your alters may be non-human or have psuedo-memories. They are different from entities and spirits. Please understand.

[tinytoonswastaken]

This is my uh, DNI list,

- Mspec lesbians and gays that aren't Homosexual and Multiromantic or Homoromantic and Multisexual, and Yes the definition of lesbian USED to be that but that has changed, I think the SAM ones are fine tho.

- Endos, Demos, Tupla, non traumagenic systems in general. Yall are gross and need to leave,

- Anti otherkin/Therian, I am not one of those, but they aren't hurting anyone, also, otherkin can't be a non Sentient thing, so-

- Religious ppl who try to convert or atheists who make fun of religion. Leave

- Transracials/Transabeled/Transage, I WILL BLOW YOUR BRAINS OUT.

- Anti Neopronouns/Xenogender

- Exclusionists, need I say more?

- Proshippers/Comshippers (ifk what's the right term)

- MAPS, I will block and report you

That's all for now, byeee!!

[trustmeimadoctor]

Honey I am in my 30's. Don't pander. I was trying to help, but go on; Enjoy your garbage endo community. Sofie is racist. Tuplas are racist and bow I understand you're an ableist apologist. Wonder how I got to be following such an ass.

For the record I actually went to school for this shit. You didn't. Doe mad about it.

Buddhism anyone? How's that working for you, honey? That's not what Buddhism is about. It isn't about hate, exclusion or judgment. We aren't talking your average organized religion here. Do some research. Educate yourself. Grow, evolve. Stop being blinded by your own self hatred. What happened to you isn't your fault. But it isn't ours either or any endo systems out there. Like I, said... I've been doing this since before you were born. And dear, We're not mad. Well... Angry. We're not angry. Not at you. We feel bad. We are sorry you are hurting so badly that you feel like you need to lash out and name-call. It's okay though. For us I mean. We can't tell you to work on you. You will do that when you are ready and sometimes that can take a while. - DD

[systemstart]

These are all batshit insane

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Your brain would not split if it wasn't for trauma plain and simple, you can have trauma from anything.

Alters ***after*** the initial trauma split can split from a lot of things but it can't be the thing that the system is created by.

Also some facts;

-ND and esp Autistic people are more likely to be traumatized from such a young age because of their brain, studies including non traumatized individuals with ND is so little because of this

-Tupla the main thing endos say is a practice that splits the brain hasn't been practiced for many years and is from a culture people shouldn't use from AND it doesn't even come close to what people say tulpa is in endo spaces

-all the rest is so insane I can't even have points for them, people in dreams sometimes are just alters you haven't discovered yet and you can split anyone but that doesn't start a system, meditation can't fucking split meditation is for clearing the mind and soul usually and that doesn't sound like a split to me

I can't believe I have to fucking state, I don't attack people and I don't fakeclaim endogenics but they don't fucking exist they are just usually systems that can't remember trauma but all the things they say caused them to split is offensive, unreasonable or downright gross

You going to explain how some people say systems are genetic or that it's because your mom had a miscarriage and you absorbed their baby I did my own research and it's all so shitty and disgusting behaviour from you all and this is hopefully the only time I have to voice this stuff as I dont like attacking vunrable people but you are making a community that is hurtful.

Gender dysphoria is a disorder. Transness is not. DID and OSDD are disorders. Just being a system does not mean someone is disordered.

Using sysmed is transphobic as transmed is a term about trans people that say you must have certain criteria to be trans aka gender dysphoria and using sysmed is comparing trans people to disorders they dont need to have to be trrrannnss Also yes, you have to have a disorder to be a system as its not like being trans (ik it must be so hard for you to realise that/j) Tell me why else a brain would split if it wasnt in a traumatic situation.

[antiendovents]

tw swearing

fuck endos for saying stealing tulpa language and calling it a system origin

I've seen so many people from the closed culture say that they're uncomfortable with endos stealing it, and that most (if not all) real tulpamancers don't even consider it being a system.

also, endos pretending they can't see the link between being a transid and willowgenic is so laughable.

transplural = not being a system, but "transitioning" to one

willowgenic = not being a system, but "trying to become one"

like you really can't see the fucking similarities???

yeah. they're literally appropriating culture knowingly, i don't know much about tupla but from what i heard it has nothing to do with being a system and isnt at all like being a system. and i mean transplural and willowgenic are the same fucking thing. anyone who says otherwise must be fucking stupid, like what.

[antiendovents]

Idk if this has already been done here but if it has I’m gonna do it again to drive home the point.

TW: TRANSPHOBIA

I hate that pro/nontraumagenic’s keep comparing traumagens educating and spreading the correct information to transphobia.

For people who aren’t aware pro/nontraumagenics have made the terms SYSMED and TRAUMASCUM.

Let me break the first one down.

SYSMED

This is derived from sys medicalism (yes nontraumagenics are mad that we’re medicalising a disorder). But it’s been DIRECTLY taken from the term transmed (which is someone who medicalises being transgender e.g. you MUST have dysphoria to be trans)

Traumascum has been taken from Truscum which,, honestly just google that one I don’t have the spoons to fully explain it right now.

As a transgender system I honestly feel sick at how transphobic pro/nontraumagenics are.

If for some reason there’s a pro/nontraumagenic person reading this, if you use the terms sysmed and traumascum AND you claim you’re pro trans then I’m sorry to say you can’t really be pro trans if your main arguments on why nontraumagenics are “”real”” are transphobic.

Either get a proper education and learn that OSDDID is a DISORDER formed in CHILDHOOD through TRAUMA. Or remove pro trans rights from your bios.

I don’t care if that part will get me hate you cannot claim to be pro trans rights and spread blatantly transphobic rhetoric.

-R

yeah. They act as if believing in science is the same thing as being bigoted or transphobic. Like no— I'll say it again, for the endos that can't fucking listen. Gender is an identity, being a system is a disability. It's not something you can just decide to become, neither of them are. Endos are both ableist and transphobic, plus most of them (tuplas specifically) participate in cultural appropriation. The fact that people can support them really disgusts us as a whole.

[sophieinwonderland]

is it possible to be able to make a tupla for the purpose of helping internal communication and innerworld creation/access? i'm the host of a multigenic system and i've been struggling with communication and trying to access our innerworld for a while

I've heard of one anecdote of a DID system making a tulpa, and that tulpa being able to communicate much more freely than other members of the system with fewer dissociative barriers. This makes sense given that a core process of tulpa creation is narration, so the tulpa, unlike other alters, is designed for the purpose of communication.

BUT be warned that I've heard of other DID systems that tried creating tulpas, and the result was that the brain understanding the process made it easier to form headmates when they didn't want to.

In our case, with no disorder, there were time it felt like we were starting to form additional members. For us, stopping these "walk-ins" required attributing their thoughts to another of us, or consistently dismissing them as intrusive thoughts, before they had a chance to form autobiographical memories and a sense of identity that would firmly ground them. However, trying to guard yourself from new headmates forming in this way could be dangerous in a system where you can't tell for certain if you're actually forming a new headmate, or if one that's existed for a while is taking front for the first time in years. And accidentally blocking out a headmate who already exists because you weren't aware of them might further damage system communication.

I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't try this. It's a risk. What you want may very well be possible, but it can have consequences, and you shouldn't rush into anything without carefully consider those first.

As for inner world creation, you don't really need a tulpa to do that, and I'm not certain it's all that helpful. There are, however, a number of tulpamancy guides to creating "Wonderlands" that have proven useful for DID/OSDD systems as well. I'll reblog with a few of them. (Since Tumblr doesn't always let posts with external links show up in the tags)

As another word of warning though, if you have a persecutor, doing exercises to immerse yourself fully in an inner world can allow them more ways to harm your system. I don't know if you do. In fact, you probably wouldn't be asking this question if you did. But it seems irresponsible to not at least mention.

Whatever you choose, I wish you the best of luck! :D

[sophieinwonderland]

hi! i've had a question on my mind that i'm going to ask around since it's been an idea for a while. do you think it's unethical to create a tupla to help cope with chronic illness/pain? i can't help but feel guilty thinking about it even, since i wouldn't want my pain to be a burden on anybody else, but sometimes i wish i had someone to help me when nobody else can. i only know of one of the headmates in our system that speaks outwardly about hating that our body is in pain all the time, and i already feel guilty for him needing to deal with it as well even if he does avoid it at times. any input is really appreciated, thank you -🌸 (@alwaystheoddones)

Define "cope."

I don't think it's ethical to create a tulpa specifically to front and experience the pain for you. The thought of that makes me extremely uncomfortable.

But it's different if you just want someone to talk to and help you through the day. Personally, I don't tend to feel what the body experiences when I'm not fronting. Even when I'm co-conscious, while I'm aware of the body's hurt, I don't usually experience it myself. Of course, this might vary depending on the system.

The main piece of advice I would give is that if you want to make a tulpa, don't make them for any sort of purpose. Talk to them, develop them, be a friend. But don't push them to do anything that might cause them harm. If they choose to help of their own accord, then that's their choice. But just remember that they're a person, not a tool.

[thestarseersystem]

I wish I was able to talk about all the connections, intersections and niches between being a system and being a witch. How experiencing past life memories is the same as experiencing this life repressed memories. How a "mindspace" or "inner library" is literally the same thing as an "innerworld". How being a non-human alter makes me feel more connected to the astral, that I'm just a supernatural creature and I feel connected to other people who feel the same way. How intuition is so close to be hypervigilant, how I've always had to listen to what my gut says in any situation, in case something goes wrong. How my therapy/recovery can so easily be deepened with divination, shadow work and research. How I have sudden realizations on my own, and I struggle with them because I cannot process reality correctly. How my childhood trauma and my past life trauma intercept. All of that and more, I wish I was able to talk so freely about it, because it's who I am. I can't change who I am.

But I fucking hate that it makes people have "red flags" because some cunt ass bitches think that spiritual companions (such as tuplas) are alters. Like fuck you for making it so hard to talk about system witchcraft. Fuck you for making it think that anyone who talks about that is like you.

I just want to be a witchy system in peace. I want to discuss the intersectionality between these two parts of my identity. I want more people who share in that.

[bloodonvalentine]

hey @sophieinwonderland you should totally read this and learn what an awful excuse for a human you are

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

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