#loona criticism

[penguinofspades]

It's funny how Helluva Boss is so badly written that it actually taught me what parental abuse is and how to recognize it due to Loona's treatment of Blitzo.

The Stolas/Blitzo plotline is also a really good example for Quid Pro Quo and the fact that rape and sexual coercion isn't always with brute force.

And yet we're supposed to root for Loona and Stolas lmao.

[showtoonzfan]

The moment between Loona and Octavia comes off as cheap and forced to me because:

1. Loona and Octavia never interacted before, never having any form of relationship beforehand. Loona and Octavia only know each other as the other person’s daughter and nothing else.

2. Loona has no relationship with Stolas, so why is she defending him, confident that she knows he’s a “good” father? She’s only seen or heard about Stolas but never really interacted with him.

3. Loona treats her father like shit, physically abusing him. Yet, she tells Octavia she should be “happy” that Stolas cares about her, believing this should be enough for her, and shouldn’t be upset over the neglect because he’s going “through a lot,” and it’s the “thought that counts.” However, in the same episode, Stolas comes to earth looking for Octavia, only to forget about her to play around on a sitcom set and flirt with Blitzo, no longer caring his daughter is missing.

Honestly, the entire scene came off as the show disregarding Octavia’s feelings because they don’t want to admit Stolas is a shitty father. They would much rather tell Octavia she needs to “appreciate” the bare minimum from Stolas, ignore her feelings, and claim she has no right to be mad at him for the neglect since he’s an “innocent victim.”

Agreed, you said the exact issues I had. However, there is ONE thing about this scene that I hate that no one seems to mention yet, but for me personally, another reason why this scene is so bad (other than the points me and literally EVERYONE else has been saying) is that Loona’s kind behavior and change of heart isn’t believable. Like….Viv expects me to believe that Loona was kind enough to look for someone she didn’t know jack about when she threw her coffee away, despite LITERALLY flipping off Blitz when he asked to go look for her, only to spend time on her phone and only THEN looks for Octavia when she noticed her on the internet. It’s the same issue with Blitz and Stolas, there’s just no buildup for Loona’s character, or even for her to warm up to Octavia. I hate how they get along immediately, and like lemon-critiques said, they should be allowed to actually be CHARACTERS around each other first. Loona has been nothing but a bitch, that’s literally her whole character and yet she turns 180- nice to give Octavia an emotional scene because the plot demands it. The issue is that it would have made more sense if they were just allowed to connect in a different way and get to know one another, because they already have a few things in common, being both goth girls with daddy issues, however not only does it not WORK because Loona doesn’t even know Stolas as a father and her situation is not the same as Octavia’s, but because I highly doubt she would give a shit about Octavia. This is literally someone who was revealed to grow up in a shitty abusive pound throughout most of her life, and she’s never nice to Moxxie, Blitz, or Millie, so why Octavia? Again….this all feels forced because Vivzie can properly let her female characters be CHARACTERS and explore and expand them BEFORE the emotional cores. Instead it’s just “Loona and Octavia bond because the fandom wanted to see it anyway and because we said so. Also Loona is nice because we also said so”. This is just a personal nitpick of mine, but still, it’s how I feel. I wish Viv would stop showing her characters one way and then suddenly in another without any proper flow or in between. This honestly goes for all the characters honestly.

[gartenofbanny]

So while taking a shower. I just realized Mammon is a pretty stupid antagonist now that I think about it, Not just because he's a poorly thought out interpretation of the Sin of Greed, but because his only antagonistic trait is being a shitty boss.

He physically assaults Fizzarolli, insults Fizzarolli, manipulates him, fatshames him, and gets mad when Fizzarolli messes up.

However, there is another character in Helluva Boss who shares ALL of those traits but is somehow a protagonist of the show. That being Blitzo.

Blitzo physically assaults Moxxie, fatshames him, insults him, gets mad when Moxxie messes up, and even threatened to rape him and his wife all the way back in the first fucking episode.

Helluva Boss has a tendency of "Rule for thee, but not for me" and I'm just tired of it. When the protagonists physically assault and insult each other, it's supposed to be funny, but when the antagonists do the same, we're supposed to hate them.

I'm sorry, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Make your characters face the consequences of their actions instead of dismissing their abuse because it's funny. Also, one more point Entertaining Antagonist doesn't equal Good Antagonist.

Anyway, that's all I got for today, I might post tomorrow idk shit's been less than well lately.

[radiostatik]

I'm glad Loona and Via are confirmed Bi and ace.

However, there ain't no way Millie is straight. Millie, who wondered what sex with Verosika was like, straight? Ain't no way.

Also Sallie is lesbian, that's cool. Apple, Coco, Bee, Barbie, and Verosika are all pan? Okay. I mean at least Barbie and Verosika are girl kissers. So... verbie when?😉

Also, where's Stella? Ain't no way her manhating ass isn't lesbian

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

Blitzo Has His Priorities As A Father Right Better Than Stolas

Seriously, looking back at these episodes it really hammers how both are as fathers. Even in the face that their wealthy, powerful proprietor is facing assassination, he chooses his daughter's health over being a white knight to this pompous, entitled bird who then is ungrateful that his employees were the ones to save him. On the other hand, when Via needs him the most he will neglect her to focus on his petty squabbles and flirting with his booty call which caused the current strife in the family. She might say he loves her but his actions really contradicts how self-centered he really is towards her regards. He will do the bare minimum after spending the previous time pushing her away. This is in contrast who will put all his focus on Loona when he feels like it is important. What's even more ironic this is from a guy who only had her since she was 17 while Stolas was always with Octavia but as time has gone by he has done less to focus and prioritize her needs over his own. Again why is Stolas called best father when that title should go to Blitzo.

[pedanticat]

These two minisodes served as a reminder as to why I got into Helluva Boss in the first place since they're hilarious and creative. I wish the show was more of this and less Stolitz melodrama.

[tooningin]

A rewrite of Via and Loona’s talk in “Seeing Stars”

Loona: Try to cut your dad some slack. He may not always get it right but… he’s trying. That’s-

Via: TRYING HIS BEST?! WHAT DO YOU MEAN?! EVERYTIME HE SAYS HES GONNA SPEND TIME WITH ME HE EITHER BRINGS THAT FUCKASS IMP WITH HIM OR NEVER SHOWS UP AT ALL

Loona: *Is shocked*

Via: YOUR DAD IS THE ONE ACTUALLY TRYING HIS BEST, AND WHAT DO YOU DO?! YOU BEAT HIM UP ON A DAILY BASIS

Loona: *Gets defensive* B-but, he always gets in my space, and-

Via: Have you ever tried, oh I don’t know, TELLING HIM THAT INSTEAD OF RESORTING TO SHOVING PICTURE FRAMES DOWN HIS NECK?! *She begins to tear up* He’s far more likely to listen anyway…

*Via heads for the stairs, and Loona watches, realizing just how badly she treated Blitz*

[deadbeat-motel]

ᑕᖇYᗰIᑎI ᖇEᗪEᔕIGᑎ

So this redesign is on a character that doesn't appear in the series proper. This is Crymini.

Her purpose in Deadbeat is to fulfill the sloth part of the 7 sins theme and be the most modern character we have in the roster (still debating whether she should be from the 2000s, 2010s or the 2020s).

Theres really not much I can say about this redesign.

My issues with her Original design:

A "Punk rock" character who has a pretty bland design. Her outfit consists of only two things, a skull print dress and a black jacket.

How in the 9 hells does that hair work??? Two segments are fighting for space on her head while the third one acts as a giant ponytail???

She suffers from the same problem all anthro female characters from Viv suffer from: they're made from the same hourglass body wolf base. If I were to take out the spots from her body, could you tell that this is a hyena and not some generic cat/wolf character? If she ever gets into season 2, Hopefully, she gets a second redesign to give her a unique body.

The thought process behind the design:

Gave her a nonfeminine body, or more like a body type where she doesn't have a cinched waist.

My roster was looking a little bit too muted and she needed a pop of color to distinguish herself from the others, hence the blue stitches on her grey hoodie.

The collar is a manifestation of her feelings of being controlled by her family, being visually too tight and almost suffocating. Despite being far from her family now, she hasn't outran the issues they cause for her

Her clothing choice is pretty bland since I don't think she would be the type of person to have a fashion sense. As long as it feels good, it's nice enough for her.

[that-guy-in-the-chiton]

Me when anything bad happens to Blitzo, Loona or Stolas:

[arteicetb]

Despite my hyperbolic nature, my criticisms of Helluva and Hazbin do come from a place of genuine concern and hope for the show. I wish nothing but the best for the artists who are busting their butts on this show, they’re great, but sadly visuals can only take a show so far if the writing doesn’t improve. That’s my bone to pick with this series because it’s both fascinating and disappointing how far it goes for some characters (Fizz, Stolas) than others (Barbie, Loona, most the women honestly). If ppl enjoy the direction it’s going in, cool, glad they can. They have every right to share what they love about the show however…those of us that loved the demon show about Imps we thought we were gonna get also have a right to be critical about it.

That being said, I want to make a video reacting and rationalizing our “Helluva/Hazbin Hot Takes”🔥🔥🔥

Such takes range from reasonable to outrageous and I wanna hear them all!

[feanoryen]

I love love love that Blitzø prioritizes Loona over Stolas

& I NEED Stolas to start prioritizing Octavia over Blitzø

Blitzø has been a father for 5 years max and even though his adult daughter isn’t even particularly nice to him most of the time (quickly want to say I love Loona, she’s got her own trauma & her feelings are valid) he made a commitment to her by adopting her and cares for her needs like a good father should.

Stolas… oh boy. I get that he never really had a choice in having Octavia and both his marriage and having a child was something forced on him by his father way too young but Stolas does love Via and clearly thinks he’s a good father but wtf man, your daughter feels like she’s being neglected and 90% of your thoughts are about your crush who you have a physical relationship with instead of her.

[lust-for-ultraviolence]

*Unhappy campers

[definetlyaddicted]

On the stolitz breakup...

What a beautiful scene. What a long time coming. THIS is what I've been begging Viv for over a year for. We can see just how flawed they both are in this scene.

Blitz, for lashing out without trying to understand Stolas' intentions, for inadvertently mocking him for his feelings, for sticking his head in the ground and refusing to listen.

Stolas, for attempting to rush a confession out of Blitz (regardless of how well-intentioned). For not considering how confusing this may have been for him, for springing this on him so quickly and expecting a smooth sailing ride. He knows Blitz better than that.

Ive been critical of how the show has handled their dynamic since the beginning of season 2, I'm happy that they have finally taken the steps to breaking this couple down at their seams and re-building them. Its what they need.

[trashogram]

More bleh bleh bleh:

Blitzø is a better dad than Stolas but doesn’t get credit for it — Blitzø put his daughter’s health over saving Stolas’s ass bc who wouldn’t assume the bird could defend himself while a direct threat was posed against him, especially after saving IMP in a huge display of power and strength? Stolas can’t remember something he promised to his daughter that was supposed to be fun in light of a divorce with his wife. PAIMON is a better dad than Stolas — he could tell his son was sad and did something he believed would cheer his son up TWICE (took him to the circus and got his son a friend ((yes I know that whole purchasing Blitzø was awful I’m not an insensitive idiot thx))) and was even able to tell the difference between which imp his son was infatuated with (Fizz was more talented yet Paimon saw that Stolas liked Blitzø) while Stolas couldn’t even tell that Octavia crying in fear over RoboFizz was legit fearful crying instead of “tears of joy” (wtf).

Stolas is barely above Crimson on the shit dad tier list. Fight me. Mammon isn’t Fizzarolli’s dad and was clearly abusive but EVEN HE was more invested in Fizz than Stolas is with Octavia.

[doodle17]

Helluva Redesigns! Woooooohoooo

I wanna take a sec to ramble about the design choices I made while working on em

SO first is Millie. Idk why but if I looked at her, I wouldn't even know she came from wrath. There's literally NOTHING to say she came from wrath other than the fact that shes.... Idk aggressive sometimes? But that's kind of it. I like the idea of Wrath having a cowboy theme to it, so I decided to, y'know, make her have a more country look! Also covered her in scars because she fights alot. I also changed her personality to be a lot more sweet than she looks, still has fiery attitude though. I decided to make Moxxie have a more greed look. My version of greed imps are covered in various jewels and sparkly stuff, hence all the gold. And since green is the main color for greed, I implemented more green into his design. His personality has a BIG change, and is more like his pilot personality. He isn't a sopping wet woobified nerd, now, he's a hardworker who can't stand his boss, and he doesn't take ANY of his shit. He'd probably quit if he and Millie weren't in a bad place financially.

Heres Mox with and without his glasses

Loonas design is probably the most changed. Whenever someone tells me to think of a hellhound, what comes to my mind is Cerberus, who I also imagine as a Doberman breed. SO I decided that all hell hounds are Doberman! Because loona looks like a fucking devaintart fursona, NOT a hell hound. (This isn't to say Doberman are evil btw! I love Doberman!! I made them Doberman because they're badass 😎) Also, Loona isn't adopted. She's just worked with Blitzo for a while, and him seeing her as a daughter is kind of one sided, but she's not as bitchy about it like she is in canon. She's more relaxed, but still aggressive. Blitzo's design is probably gonna get changed more, because I don't really like this result I ended up with :P anyways, he's still really crude, but he's also a lot more charismatic and sinister. He also doesn't want to have sex with literally every breathing thing, and he's unapologetically an ass. No sad backstory to make uo for all of it, NOPE! He's just a jerk because he wants to be!

Anyways, who would you guys wanna see redesigned next

[almacambiondaughterofsaleos]

You Know Stolas Not Everyone Puts Their Significant Others Before Their Own Children

Stolas stfu with your whining he had to take his daughter to a doctor for a mandatory shot. Because that's what a good dad does instead of always trying to have a booty call with his boy toy. You really are a self-centered prick who doesn't understand other people. Also the M and M's were sent after you. You just wanted your boy toy to play white knight and weren't grateful they tried to rescue you. You really are an ungrateful prick, Stolas, and again aren't beating the spoiled noble bit. Again the narrative still wants us to make us believe he's changed when he's still a whiney, babied manchild who expects everything handed him. Seriously, dude Blitzo's life shouldn't revolve around you and children come first. But tell us more how you are some great dad when you don't understand how another dad had to be there for his daughter when she was going to do something really scary. Because yeah, you still were chasing after Blitzo in front of your own while she was uncomfortable with it and forgot finding her so you can laugh at his jokes. Again put that so-called father of the year award away because you've never earned it.