#incel discourse

[luneemeritus]

If Erik was a modern man in the internet, he would absolutely despise 4chans and Incels, specially the way far-right, "anti-woke" and incel-identified people talk about disability. I was recently watching a YT video about the Slasher Universe (which I'm deep into it) but the creator was a 'anti-woke' Trump supporter who kept using misogynistic, ableist language. Calling people "deformed", using ridiculously bigoted rhetoric etc, all of this to talk about silly horror movies like... Erik would despise these spaces. He would look at how most* Incels are just able-bodied cishet white men with shitty personalities that hate minority groups and would laugh at them. Because Erik, unlike those men, was actually victimized. Oh and Incels/far-right movements don't give a shit about male victims of abuse (victims in general, but talking about Erik and masculinity so stay with me) nor mental health.

*not all Incels are the stereotypical "able bodied cishet white men", although the majority is. Anyone can be prayed upon and radicalized by these groups, specially young boys, ppl with mental health issues in general. That doesn't make their misogyny ok, but it's an explanation of why not all Incel (even those who don't identify as such) are stereotypical Evil Edgelord™

Could Erik share an unhealthy amount of self destructive, misantrophobe ideas and similar behaviours to Incels? Absolutely. But that doesn't mean he belongs to those groups. His disdain towards the world didn't come from nowhere. To think that Erik would be a bigot because of One(1) isolated case with Christine is stupidity. Oh and Erik would definitely be excluded from left-wing/feminists/progressist spaces, like so many people are. Sex workers, hypersexual people (specially if they survived SA), physically and mentally disabled people, and more. Erik clearly has Issues™, and we should stop igonoring the amount of "progressist" spaces that demonize Narcissistic people, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar disorder, Autism, and other mental illness. We should really stop ignoring how therapy speech and terms are weaponized against mentally ill people, such as "gaslight", "grooming", "manipulation", "power imbalance" and SPECIALLY "trauma dumping". The amount of cruelty coming from "progressive" spaces when it comes to mental health and abuse survivors is HORRIFIC. A neurodivergent, mentally ill person crying, lashing out, having a panic attack or literally just trying to reach out for help can easily be labelled as abuse by people who don't understand anything about psychology or abusive cycles!! Erik is a person that desperately needs help, but he would not find it on the internet, specially in spaces that claim to be "progressists". This HAS to change NOW.

And don't even get me started on the 'pureteen sex negative "sex scenes are unnecessary, stop romancticizing/FeTiChIZinG, your fav is problematic" anti-kink crowd. Erik is a horny man. That definitely thinks sex is cool. And human. Which is it. He. Is. Like. A metaphor for christine's sexual awekeningg,

i can't possibly actually post a rambling dissertation about Erik & The Internet but in short: he's been training his whole life to post man. he's a power user. when he shows up at the function in leroux and everyone assumes someone else invited him: that's a form of posting. he's publishing his napalm instructables with lush photo guidance and then breaking into ted cruz's house again to release several different poison gases in the night. i dunno!

[toxicanonymity]

Dear Anon Haters (Not just mine),

You don't have to like everyone. People can rub you the wrong way. But sometimes hate without real cause goes too far. Hating Elon Musk or Stephen Miller? Rational. *Productive* even, if it leads to activism or building community. Hating members of fandom so much that you can't stop watching them or sending hate? That's a problem.

The solution isn't to justify the emotion by convincing yourself that anyone you hate must be doing real harm. Slapping them with labels that are universally considered vile and hate-worthy is a desperate move. Doing this serves no one except those who benefit from the dilution and misuse of those terms. Like predators and the far right. It hurts everyone else, including you.

Obsessive hate is a form of self sabotage.

It can raise cortisol, disrupt sleep, and weaken libido. Hate is a black hole that sucks up mental energy and space that could be used on things with actual payoff. You don't wanna look back and wonder what you could've done with all the time and effort you spent stalking, dragging, or stewing over someone. You'll never know what you could've created, learned, or experienced. If you're in an echo chamber, it's robbing you of these things.

Making someone else's life miserable will never make you fulfilled. I'm not asking you to swear off being a hater for life, and I'm not saying no one is ever worthy of hate. But for your own good, try being honest with yourself and open to the idea that there is a better use for that energy, even if your only motivator is self-interest.

I know you care less about the impact to the other person, especially if you've truly deluded yourself into believing everyone you dislike is a terrible person. But it is worth remembering that behind every screen, there is a real person with an entire life and inner world and people in their life. People behind the screen have their own responsibilities, goals, regrets, dirty dishes, bills, trauma, shortcomings, failures, losses... You might have more in common with them than you think. They might even be actively involved in something IRL that you would support. And you never know what someone is going through. But you do know they are not responsible for your core insecurities.

You and the person you hate have common enemies, for sure. Like the ones devaluing human life and taking health care away and militarizing ICE, sending BIPOC and immigrants to alligator alcatraz, destroying the earth, and literally poisoning marginalized communities. If spite/hate is the only motivation that works for you, maybe try a placebo like redirecting it to one of these common enemies.

These common enemies are so insidious, so much more worthy of that hater energy. But you already know that, so what's the deal? Maybe the idea of upsetting someone lets you feel some kind of power and control you lack elsewhere. Maybe, with those more deserving of hate, the instant gratification isn't there compared to lashing out at someone more likely to read your message. But where is that gratification even coming from? What is it made of? What does it say about you? Because I promise you, it doesn't say anything at all about the person you hate.

Ty for reading, even if you hate-read. 🖤 ☠️

Managing your tumblr experience

How to stop obsessing over someone you hate

12 steps to stop feeling bitter:

1. Do a genuine re-evaluation, being honest with yourself. Often, in telling our story to others, we stop telling the truth to ourselves. What actually haunts you, versus what you tell your friends bothers you because they all agree it should?

2. Put your story on hold. What would happen if, just for a week, or even a few days, you take a break from telling it?

3. Take what responsibility you can for your feelings. The point is not to blame yourself, but to reclaim your personal power.

4. Stop spying. Spying on the person who triggered your upset is self-torture that inevitably lowers self-esteem. Spying on others can also be addictive. If you can’t stop spying, you might need support.

5. Face up to your hidden fears. Bitterness often is a perfect disguise for fear of failing. If the odds are stacked against you and nothing is fair, it's not your fault if you don't succeed how you want. If you deal with the fear, you won’t need the bitterness.

6. Forgive when feeling bitter? Sure, but only at your own pace. Fake forgiveness can be a way of just denying how you feel, or even hold you back from processing emotions and situations.

7. And don’t forget to forgive yourself, too. It’s possible to hold on to feeling bitter for a long time so you can focus your anger on someone else because the hard truth is that you are furious at yourself.

8. Step into the now. Bitterness lives in the past and the future. Get into the now moment by concerning yourself with current opportunities and goals.

9. Branch out from feeling bitter. Bitterness tends to fade in the face of excitement and joy. In other words, new and better experiences.

10. Set mini goals for yourself each day. Bitterness is a powerful tide, and best intentions to try new things and be mindful can soon be caught in its tug. The way around this is to not just make big goals, but also small, achievable goals that keep you on the road away from feeling bitter.

11. Try a new perspective. Feeling bitter can have us seeing life from a very narrow perspective indeed. Imagine what the situation you are struggling with would look like from a different viewpoint entirely.

12. Seek support. Feeling bitter can be quite the battle to move on from. And sometimes the strongest tactic and easiest way forward is to accept help.

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[aq2003]

nobody understands the robot revolution like i do it's not about "AI bad" it's about how AI has no inherent morality to it as a technology and it reflects human bias/greed/entitlement i am sorry

[bread-in-the-void]

Reblog this post if you (a person who experiences sexual attraction, even if only sometimes or under certain conditions) would be happy to spend the rest of your life in a relationship with someone and never once have sex with them.

[frameconfessions]

What I love about Warframe as a newcomer is that there doesn't seem to be any sort of shipping wars or fandom discourse at all. I've been into a lot of shooters before (ie. Overwatch, Apex Legends, etc.) so Warframe is a huge breath of fresh, clean air.

💯

[eldritchdemigodskywalkers]

if i see ONE MORE PERSON call anakin an incel, i'm going to start throwing hands

[tommysversion]

I turned anon off because I refuse to be made out to be the bad guy for making a blanket statement about the impact AI is having on fanfic and fanart creators, an issue that directly impacts myself and a large amount of my friends & other users in fandom spaces.

Not once did I ever name names. The only account I actively confirmed I was referring to was a majorly known one that had posted over 160 fics in a month.

Unfortunately if people chose to point fingers and name names on the post, the onus is not on me, when I did not expect the original post to blow up the way it did, nor did I mention anyone beyond that one account.

So no, people sending me abusive anons before I turned that function off: I will not apologise for making a blanket post about an issue across fandom spaces that directly affects me. Unfortunately it's not up to me what others say and do with a public post. If anyone was named on that post that isn't an AI user, then the onus is on the person or people who accused them, not me.

[bereebeebeebeebeep]

That mod """"fixing"""" the body type selection in oblivion is one of the stupidest most asinine dog whistle garbage I've ever seen. I can't believe I have to share a planet with these buffoons.

[toxicanonymity]

When someone enjoys a fic and interacts, and then their friends read and interact... that's exactly how tumblr is designed to work. It's not a "clique" intentionally shunning a lesser-known fic until a "queen bee" interacts.

Good thing hardly anyone thinks this way.

[tumblezwei]

also forever a Firefly defender bc this godforsaken piece of shit illiterate childish fucking fandom decided to let a couple of cringe ads take over their interpretation of her story arc, and now she's the 'girlfriend" character that gets shit on and ignored. Used as example number one of why is the game has ~bad~ female characters that solely exist to be waifus to sell to horny straight men.

[annihilatius]

The thing is, I actually hate Resident Evil and the fandom surrounding it but RE4 remake Osmund Saddler is my favorite character from anything ever and RE4 remake is also probably one of my favorite games ever rivaled only by a few other things so I'm essentially forced to be here when I do NOT want to be.

[strang3lov3]

Does tumblr have admins here or something?!

Blogs like pptlouconfessional should be banned and deleted forever just for calling out people and harrasing them cuz they don't like them or for any other reason.

I mean seriously how can anybody with common sense let this kind of blog to exist?!

Tumblr’s a skeleton crew, which is a big reason why blogs like that one stay up for fuckin ever even when they’re violating all sorts of rules.

Anyway. You know what they say. Those who can, mind their business. Those who can’t get in their incel circlejerk and bitch and moan about writers who post free works that they’re more than welcome to block and ignore 🤡

Real pics of the admins^

[shadow-redferne]

im already tired of the 'man vs bear' debate. it went from actually meaningful discussion about sexual assault and how men need to do better to just purposefully ragebaiting incels and nothing of actual value. and that's not even getting into the fact that the discourse only focuses on survivors who are cis women, and less focus on trans survivors, enby survivors (and even male survivors for that matter). hell, transphobes have already started to invade the conversation. we need less rhetorical questions about abuse, and more actual uplifting of survivors and actual education about abuse (for all genders for that matter!)

the man vs bear topic has done nothing to help survivors, and i will die on this hill.

[ambelle]

Still laughing at ppl trying to age shame you in the Titans fandom because you told them stop trash talking Anna/Kory's looks as fans of her.

It was genuinely funny.

1.The show was rated M and on HBO...not the Disney Chanel

2. I was also the same age as the 2 leads so like...they wanted to see elderly people fucking? Is that it? Weird flex.

3. Yes the vocal minority were college students chronically online and using fictional black women as self-inserts for their swirl fetishes but they never really mattered outside of their echo chamber. No one cared what they thought about anything.

You will still never catch me mocking a BW's looks after she was a victim of online harassment. And for my tumblr haters you'll also never catch me deciding a BW character has no worth if she's not fucking a WM.

I hope these ppl finally got dicked down by a white man though.

Love, Grandma

[deathbirby]

Me: Hmm, it's 3H's 5 year anniversary. I know some will say 3H's legacy is the discourse, but surely people will be celebrating the game and making some awesome excellent fanart and tributes and not "debating" online and sealioning about who's right in a "morally grey" game right? Sees that some twitter/x dipshit stir up discourse about Rhea being the "true" villain and how Edelgard is totally right (source: trust me bro) and people arguing against that turning into an ugly political back and forth. Me: Welp, happy 5 year anniversary 3H. Okay more seriously, there have been some great fanart and tributes from the VA along with people celebrating. But good god, Edelstans just couldn't help themselves from trying to make this another "Here's why my fave is right version infinity and why anyone who disagrees with me is a right wing fascist p*dophile" wankathon. Schrodinger's illusion of choice is real.

It's really sad how that's just 3H's legacy now. Endless discourse. Bring up Edelgard? Discourse. Bring up Dimitri? Discourse. Bring up Claude? Discourse. Bring up Rhea? Discourse.

Why can't people just enjoy the game and its characters instead of making everything a political debate or a cop tier list??

[peachviz]

I think the thing that bothers me about Star Trek discovery is the theatrics. Everything is almost overly theatrical.