#endogenic info

[thedigitalwave]

Inspired by a dear person's request, let's talk about anti-endos.

I want to go back to the basics with this. There likely won't be anything new to talk about, so I want to help the newcomers understand some stuff.

First, what are systems?

Systems are collectives of people/parts, individuals who have different personalities or ways to behave, who coexist inside one body. Though some systems were always systems, most start off as singlets (one person inside one body). Now, an analogy.

Let's consider people to be mirrors. Through something (even as mundane as fate, or as tragic as trauma), a mirror can break. Breaking a mirror causes multiple parts of the mirror to be reflective on their own, or in a way, separate mirrors.

Singlets are one mirror. The mirror is not broken, even though the mirror could have gone through the same stuff a broken mirror went through.

Systems are fully divided mirrors, with distinct pieces who act as their own, though in the same frame.

There are also median systems. You can consider those, mirrors who didn't break fully. The mirror might be shattered, but the parts still connect as one in some ways.

Now that you understand what a system is, let's abandon the analogy, why not.

A system is, simply, a collective of individuals in one body. That's a vague description because there's no right way to be a system, therefore there are infinite ways to be one. What if I said some people didn't agree with that?

What if I said some people believe you have to go through something really traumatic to be a system? What if I said that those people think being a system is purely medical? In this analogy, what if I said that people believe that, to be an actually broken mirror, you have to be broken in a very specific way? Or else, you're just larping the role of a broken mirror.

Those people are anti-endos. Let me explain.

What are system origins?

A system, again, can come to exist through multiple means. Some people believe they were born a system, I'll never discredit them. Some people became one.

Systems can be roughly put into 4 categories of origins.

Traumagenic. Traumagenic systems are systems that came to existence through trauma, often in childhood. They're often disordered systems. Which means they have DID, OSDD or some other disorder that is where their system came from. Those disorders are often trauma-based.

Endogenic. Endogenic systems are systems that came to existence through something other than trauma. There's a vast amount of ways that systems can come to exist like that, and they're often non-disordered, though not a rule. Some of these systems are spiritual, which means their systemhood is inherently linked or caused by spiritual means. Some of these systems are created intentionally, through tulpamancy or some other means, and they're called willogenic.

Mixed origin. Those are systems who don't fit either category above because they're in both, or have a complicated relationship with origin, like for example, having fused and restarted the system multiple times.

Xenoorigin. Those are systems who don't fit either category above because they're neither, often because their experience with origin is completely detached from what is normally considered to be a valid or common system origin.

What are anti-endos?

Anti-endos are people who believe systems should only be traumagenic and disordered. For them, there's no other way to be a system, because systemhood is something completely psychological, medical and specific. There's no nuance to this for most. For them, endogenic systems simply don't exist, or aren't really systems.

This is a post covering just the grounds. If you want to have me debunk some common anti-endo arguments, please leave them below (specify that it isn't a hate comment or I will block you accidentally). I hope this was coherent enough. See ya!

[69constellationsinatrenchcoat]

*sigh* just a friendly reminder that PluralKit attaches a unique code to your system that allows anyone to look up your system - and if you look up a system on discord using pk;system [code], gives a link to all of their public system data on PKs website, which for some of you includes information on triggers, sexuality, and other things that cyberbullies may misuse.

I have been messing around with the settings as much as possible and I cannot find a way to avoid this beyond privating all alters and all system info, which many users don't do.

Even with information privated, it still seems that PK will link your discord handle with your Pluralkit user if the unique code is plugged in.

Sharing as this seems to me like a breach of privacy at best, and dangerous at worst.

[rainbow-glittery-gutz]

if u come at me with a "source" on endos that mentions being transgender, tulpa, or even the word sysmed

im not fucking reading ur source

CDD is NOT comparable to being transgender AT ALL

tulpamacy is a CLOSED PRACTICE

and SYSMED IS ONE OF THE MOST TRANSPHOBIC TERMS IVE EVER SEEN AND NO ONE FUCKING LISTENS TO US TRANSGENDERS WHEN WE SAY IT.

you CANNOT BE TRANSPLURAL. thats NOT how disorders work

you CANNOT make the brain randomly start splitting. CDDS develope AS A CHILD

THEYRE A FORM OF PROTECTION. DID IS YOUR BRAIN BEING TOO OVERWHELMED AS A CHILD TO HANDLE TRAUMA THAT IT PUTS UP AMNESIA BARRIERS TO PROTECT ITSELF. NOT SILLY CHARACTERS IN YOUR HEAD.

ALTERS ARE NOT THE ONLY SYMPTOM OF DID.

and even if in the slightest chance you can have alters without amnesia and trauma, it is NOT CDD

reminder that in the dsm5 it literally says "if the symptoms are caused by a religious practice, or reported not caused by trauma, DID should not be diagnosed"

"oh but doctors are studying endos" THATS LIKE 2 DOCTORS COMPARED TO A MILLION OTHER PROFESSIONALS AND RELIABLE SOURCES STATING OTHERWISE. YOUR SOURCE IS BULLSHIT

[the-soulbonded-teaparty]

The soulbonding carrd!

Ahhh I finished it! Also, the history bit is just a quick summary, but since history is my passion- and the profession we're probably going into, I'll write an essay on it eventually.

[plural-userboxes]

A little about us!

CURRENTLY ON A KIND-OF BREAK/HIATUS

(normal)inbox OPEN! (10/18)

Wrens Inbox CLOSED(as wren is dormant rn)! (2/10)

0 posts in queue

Hello everyone! we are The Village Of Wandering Fog! a Mixed Origin, Traumagenic, Non disordered system!

The main mods of this blog are Link, June, and Bot

oh and our main blog is @ill-either-live-or-die-alone!

our DNI

Our stance on shipcourse

What is this blog?

Hai! this is a blog (mainly) for making/taking plural userbox requests!! as sadly most plural userboxes are made by anti endos!! we will make userboxes of anything!(thats not on our dni)

we also aswell take Coining/recoining/flag making requests and Headmate inspo/pack requests

and we take Pixel requests!

Tagging System

#Time to explore☆ - Requests

#Taking time to play☆ - Not a request

#Exploring together!☆ - Mutuals

#A hidden encounter!☆ - Anons

#Adventure Journal!☆- Flag coining

#Creating New Beginnings!☆- Term coining

#Beginning A New Journey Again!☆- Recoining

#Taking a break☆- asks/posts not related requests!

#A foggy figure☆- Headmate inspo/packs

#Pixelated Scenery☆- flag pixels

#Freeform☆- Freemform/style userboxes

#Shitass☆- anything Wren has made

#June!☆- anything made/posted by June!

#The Princess☆- anything made/posted by Mozelle!

#Link☆- Anything made by Link!

#Bot☆- Anything made by Bot!

Anon Sign offs

-🪽anon

-🦋 anon

-🍁anon

-💜♠️anon

-🍳anon

-🫚anon

-⭐ anon

-🔮🌙anon

-🦈🫧anon

@fae-tier-shit , @dexter-the-dog, @justalexisfine(just incase yall would be interested <333

[plurality-questions]

Welcome..

---This blog is run by Headspace the main cluster in The Village Of Wandering Fog(aka @ill-either-live-or-die-alone)---

---we are bodily 16 so NO NSFW asks please---

---please follow our DNI!!!---

---This blog was made for---

-Helping questioning plurals

-Helping newly formed alters out with roles

-Help answer questions about plurality

-Supporting plurals who would like a safe space to vent about things

-Answering/explaining endogenic plurality to anyone who asks

note: feel free to ask for advice from specific alters!!!

note #2: we will not be using the terms tulpa/tulpamancy as it makes us highly uncomfortable(as we arent completely sure if its appropriation or not)

TAGGING SYSTEM

#Help from headspace- answers about plurality

#Welcome to BLACK SPACE- vent posts/asks

#Welcome to WHITE SPACE- questioning plurals

#Neighbors Roomᓚᘏᗢ- mutuals

#...Stranger- anons

#Welcome to FARAWAY TOWN- miscellanious

#Something's behind you- Any type of syscourse mention or allusion

---Inbox- 3/20---

---Queue- 0/20---

---Anon Sign Offs---

-🦈anon

-🐏🐺🌟anon

-⏳anon

-🧿📜anon

-📛🗞️anon

-🎙anon

-🐾anon

-🍃👾anon

-🎭anon

-💚🐈‍⬛

-🧿🏡anon

-🦋💧anon

(individual intros under the cut)

---Omori also known as Link---

-It/Critter/Theory/Wild/Boo

-Ageslider(16-20)

---Kel also known as Thistle---

-Thx/It

-16/15(we arent sure)

---Mari also known as Falin---

-Shx/It/They

-23

---Stranger also know as any alter that isn't technically a Mod!---

-Ask pronouns BUT It/Its and Critter/Critterself are always ok!

-???

@antisyscourse :3

[tales-from-syscord]

Hello everyone.

We've had a large jump in followers and asks, which is amazing :)

However, I think some reminders are due:

- This is not a syscourse or discourse blog. This blog is for systems to have fun and laugh about horrible experiences together. Please don't bring discourse here.

[Educating us on things we've done wrong is different.]

- We respect privacy. Laughing about shitty experiences is fun, but please do not name people or servers. We do not want anyone to be sent harassment due to this blog.

- This blog is anti-endo. No, we are not changing our mind. To the anons who have been calling us sysmeds or telling us to 'kys,' shame on you. Shame on you twice for using transphobic terminology.

That being said, though, please do not harass any (pro)endos on our behalf, especially if you think you know who's sent us anon asks. You can try to educate them if you wish, but do not harass them or tell them to hurt themselves. Just block and move on; don't stoop down to that level.

Thanks for reading, and take care everyone.

[thecovenofcrows]

Heya we were wondering what the limits/rules for requesting pk temps are? Like will you not do certain themes, lengths, levels of detail, etc? (feel free to answer publicly or privately or dm us)

We will not do anything too detailed as we haven’t made too many templates before. But otherwise we completely open to most themes as long as they’re not pro-psych or themed about something in our DNI (which would be kind of difficult. We do ask that you warn if there any blood or gore in the images provided as our systems little may click on it wo/ knowing.

-Luka (they/them, traumagenic)

[theplatforms]

Copingbased

Copingbased refers to a system that's based in coping. This means that coping has affected the way the system exists, but is not necessarily an origin. You may find yourself getting introjects or find your system reflecting and or themed around something of which helps you cope. They could be coping the loss of someone, something, or coping from trauma, as long as it's some sort of coping, it counts.

Term and flag coined by The Platforms on June 23rd, 2023.

[lumicatsareliquid]

a host of the platforms system

name: lumi

pronouns: they/she/sie/mew/💧

gender: flouxsoi, aegogender, liquidgender +more

orientation: aegoromantic, asexual

other: bodily a minor, alterhuman, audhd, bpd, tourettes, etc.

💧this tumblr is not a roleplay account, i am really lumi from cats are liquid, im apart of a system and this account is for art and responding to questions n such, i often may disappear tho due to being chronically mentally ill/disabled, but i'll probs come back! :D 💦

my DNI

our special interests

cats, pink, morality and animation (we love cartoons)

fandoms we're in/things we like

furry, warrior cats, wings of fire, cats are liquid, poppy playtime/smiling critters, five nights at freddy's, avatar/avatar: way of water, she-ra, steven universe, star vs the forces of evil, transformers, the owl house, hazbin hotel and helluva boss

our hobbies

gaming, reading, writing and art

green cat with white eyes: taciturn

red cat with whte eyes: devil

blue cat with white eyes: sorrow

purple cat's "real" name is unknown

(all non-canon names)

my playlist

[justanothersyscourse]

Well, isn’t this interesting...

Looks like the tulpa studies might finally be coming out… Here’s the author’s quote.

Edit: I actually managed to get a copy of the article itself.

The communities comprised:

...

b. Tulpamancers, who create invisible companions, or “tulpas” (interviewed at Stanford University). Tulpamancers usually assume that they have brought their tulpas into existence through deliberate imaginative techniques, and that the human and the tulpa(s) share one human body.

...

The following features were more or less common rules across communities to identify thoughts that did not originate from the human, but were understood to originate from the supernatural (or nonhuman) source:

1. The thought is more sudden/spontaneous than ordinary thoughts

2. The thought feels more autonomous/not created by the self

3. The thought is stronger/louder than ordinary thoughts

4. The thought feels vivid

5. The thought feels intentional, as if something is communicated

...

In this light, it may be helpful to point out that some features of thought treated in the literature on psychosis as features of psychosis are, in fact, features of thought itself. Some ordinary human thoughts can be described as more vivid, more spontaneous, more loud, more intentional, than other thoughts. Ordinary human thought has texture. This texture is utilized by these communities to describe what kind of thoughts people experience and to identify them as communications from invisible others.

Moreover, the practices of these communities and the experiences that their members report suggest that cognitive expectations and sensory techniques change the quality of thought events. As researchers continue to ask about the experiential pathways through which people come to the events—psychosis, hypnosis, absorption, sleep—it is crucial to attend to cognitive expectations and sensory practice.

...

Two primary hypotheses emerge from these observations. First, the way the experience is identified (or discerned) may shape its character. Our authorship group shared the general sense (now framed in terms of predictive coding) that there is a relationship between expectation and, for want of a better term, experience, even as we acknowledge that for some who end up in these communities, the onset of the experiences is unbidden.

Second, specific practices of sensory attention may alter the character of these experiences. We saw two dominant forms of attention trained within these communities: talking to invisible beings as if they were present, and attending to one’s inner senses in order to experience these beings more vividly. Ethnographic and historical research are clear that spiritual practices change spiritual experience; increasingly, experimental work also documents changes as well.

...

These two hypothesis suggest two ways in which these communities update beliefs: a “top down” process in which others provide testimony, hearsay, teaching and, as a result, a means to interpret sensation; and a “bottom up” process in which subjects experience an altered sensory flow. The recognition of a difference between more interpretation-like teaching and more practice-like repetition might suggest hypotheses that could be distinguished in a predictive coding framework. One fruitful locus for this work may be the shared circuitry implicated in explicit expectation, social cognition, associative learning, placebo effects, and voice-hearing.

We suggest that attention to the socialization processes we have outlined may provide an important “level of explanation,” to use a framework suggested by Hughdahl and Somer. Such knowledge may complement and sharpen clinical, neuroscientific, and even molecular investigations. As we search for a deeper understanding of the nature of psychosis, of dissociative pathology, and of their potential mechanisms, it may be helpful to learn from the social communities in the general population in which people believe that spirits and beings communicate, and in which they learn how to hear them do so.

Seems like we’re still waiting on the fmri part, but we have a couple hints from Lifshitz... He’s only got some results from the scans of Christians to show so far.

[system-comforts]

If you're comfortable doing so, could you explain the different origins of plurality a little? We were under the impression that to be disordered we had to be trauma based and then similarly that if we didn't have significant childhood trauma we had to be endo and then someone told us that's not how it works and we're very confused by terms that everyone seems to just understand. Sorry

It's alright! There are a lot of terms in the community. It can be intimidating when you first see them. We'll explain a bit about the specifics of your question. We won't list every possible origin (as there are many new terms even we aren't entirely familiar with), but we will give the basics we know. Italicized parts are highlighted points. And of course, this is largely based on our experiences: in the community, talking with professionals, etc. We encourage you to talk to systems of all types to get a better idea about more specific labels.

Disordered plurality does not always equal trauma based plurality. When people used the word disordered, they mean, "does this cause distress in my life?" For some, plurality itself causes distress. Frequent switches, internal fights, etc can cause distress. For other systems, other symptoms associated with their plurality cause distress. Maybe they have a depressed headmate, or they have amnesia between switches, or maybe headmates remember trauma and have symptoms from it. Disordered systems experience negative aspects of plurality, and in many cases want to make changes to fix them. A non disordered system would experience few negative aspects, or might feel they experience a lot of positive things from their plurality. Those positives might outweigh the bad. Maybe they feel much less lonely, or their system communicates well, maybe they've processed trauma and feel better equip to handle bad memories and tough situations.

Whether a system calls themselves disordered or not disordered is up to them. Only they can judge whether their plurality and other symptoms are interfering in their daily life. In their school, home, work life, etc.

It is difficult to judge how severe someone's trauma is. Traumas vary from singular ones to multiple, daily traumas to single event ones, traumas that occurred in childhood, teen years, adulthood-- and this still doesn't mention the different types of trauma, from physical traumas to war and community violence, to sexual trauma or medical.

Importantly, no stranger on the internet can tell you if your trauma was/wasn't severe enough to cause any sort of disorder, much less something like DID, OSDD, or disordered plurality. They don't know what it was like to experience that trauma as you, and they don't know what's been going on in your mind. Some people may tell you your trauma wasn't "severe" enough, that you must be endogenic if you don't have enough or don't remember any trauma. Those people are invalidating, and the problem lies with them, not you. If you'd like to explore your past and potential trauma history, speak to a professional about it. Find a trauma and/or dissociative disorders specialist (depending on if you seek to pursue DID/OSDD diagnosis or treatment).

As a final summary, the label traumagenic means a system created through trauma. A traumagenic system might be diagnosed with DID, OSDD, or a similar diagnosis, but this isn't always the case. Although traumagenic systems might be disordered, others may be non disordered, especially after working through and processing trauma.

An endogenic system is a system not caused by trauma. As such, this label can be fairly broad. Although an endogenic system might not be caused by trauma, the system may still be disordered. Members might not get along, and further negative symptoms might come up. -genic labels describe how a system formed, whereas a disordered label describes how a system's plurality affects them in positive or negative ways.

Deciding what label, if any, best suites you is up to you op. You know your situation better than anyone else, and it's important the label you choose feels helpful to you. Be it for finding community, making sense of your plurality, or having helpful vocabulary. We wish you the best as you explore the plural community more. Know we're always on your side no matter what your label!

-mod venus

[figmentisms]

Thank you for being kind about endos.

You're welcome, anon Brains are complicated things that we don't know everything about. At the end of the day I'm gonna trust someone's lived experience and desire for community, because with the state of the world we really don't need to be at each other's throats, especially not by trying to decide whether someone is "traumatized enough" to be deserving of respect.

I'm tentatively leaving reblogs on for now but if y'all clown on this post/in my inbox about this you're getting blocked. Have some decency for your fellow human being.

[the-soulbonded-teaparty]

We were recently re-introduced to this fun little piece of soulbonding history! The soulbonding code, which is like the multiple code but for soulbonders specifically. We might make an updated version of it :3

We decided to try it out so here's ours along with the explanation under the cut!

SBC N++ G (bO sO+&/F+) O.cS+ eAaf&+/C+/Va+f Sp.O+/F#/S/Su+/A+/Dr~+/Un+/Sh+ i++ S+ A+ W

We have around 30-40 soulbonds.

We're collectively non binary and have a majority of other/non-binary soulbonds with a few female ones as well.

We have soulbonds from original stories; several anime/cartoon characters from alternate universes, fan characters, and a crossover univrse; more than one from comic books/manga; more than one from alternative universes of video games and one fan character.

We have several bonds of other species. The bonder is a fairy, and they have a ghost bond, more than one supernatural bond, more than one alien, dragons that are different from common ideas, undead bonds, and shapeshifters.

Our bonds have a pretty active role in our life.

We decided to skip the fandom bits in the code- partially because our opinion of roleplaying is too complicated for what the code offers and because we're a bit more interested in the soulbonding specific stuff. We did do the last two things though, which were art and writing!

We do art quite a bit and post it, and we occasionally write stories- we mostly daydream them though.

[www-sys-net]

✩*⢄⢁✧ ---- ~ ---- ✧⡈⡠*✩

☁️ ***adrian*** 「♡︎」 !

﹔doll/wine/he ◞ 🍥 ◟ :

ꕀ・*ageslider ≈ 5-15*

ꕀ・*ball jointed doll*

ꕀ・*occasional third person speech*

ꕀ・*unknown sexuality*

ꕀ・*dollboy, puppetmasc, oujidollita, purevencravic, ingeluse*

ꕀ・*🪷 sign off*

✩*⢄⢁✧ ---- ~ ---- ✧⡈⡠*✩

[atlas-the-idiot-2]

Helloooooo, we're the strawberry system,, here's a sorta long intro post

First, our alters! With premade intros thanks to pluralkit!

(we're a system of 11 to our knowledge but will only be putting alters that are comfortable being known here/have proper intros)

★★★

Headmates

Mike (he/they/it)

»Things to be wary of/know: hello! I'm mike, I'm the main host if the system! I'm bisexual and on the aroace spectrum as well. I like long debates and talks, I'd like to say im pretty open minded as well. I like alternative rock, watermelon bubble gum, reading, writing, and musicals!

Macey (they/it)

»Things to be wary of/know: first up! Im fluid between he and she pronouns but i always use they/it pronouns! Now actually onto me! Im a bit scatter brained at times, my thoughts are like, alllll over the place! I swear a lotttt, i make lota typos at times so sorry if i mess up lolll! I like showing off, alternative rock, fast music, thrills, horror stories/true crime, and things like that! I swear a good amount too but I'm resisting just in this intro lmaoooo! I can also be rude or ramble sometimes! I hope i get to know lots of people!

All for one (he/him)

(yes, my source is mha, yes I'm aware, no i am not my source)

»Things to be wary of/know: i have low empathy so i wouldn't go to me for help on most subjects, I mainly front on harder days for the system or boring days, I don't say much to others, i can be a bit... Protective or cold at times, no I don't excuse my sources actions though i understand if some are hesitant to interact with me

Dreamwalker (it/he/they)

»Things to be wary of/know: I only really speak to the others in the system, though I'm down for long talks or debates, I'm not very open though i suppose

Atlas (they/she/he)

»Things to be wary of/know: hello, i am Atlas, I don't talk much to anyone. You probably won't meet me unless theirs a problem going on with us or someone's causing a problem.

Jewel (she/they)

»Things to be wary of/know: hiya, i mostly hold emotions i guess? So that makes me sorta sensitive in a way, i have high empathy as well, I'm very soft spoken as well and don't speak much so please be patient with me! Um, please use tone tags, I'm also a sorta slow typer

Rozie (she/they/xe)

»Things to be wary of/know: hiiiiii, I'm the more extraverted of the bunch, you'll probably hear lotsa stuff from me! That's it i think!

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Stances

Syscouse: hooooo boy. We prefer not to interact with Syscouse too much because its generally a battle field but we are supportive of endos! We generally avoid anti endos too because they're very much less welcoming and don't feel as safe around them :)

We also block freely and will block almost all anti endos that actively participate in discourse so please block me as well :))

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Extra info!

System type: cephaconscious

System origins: none of your business<3

Syscovery birthday: may 7th

Asking to front: no thank you!

Nicknames: depends on the person but mostly fine!

Pet names: only if we know each other pls!

Teasing: fine, pls make it clear (/j or teasing in parentheses!)

Dms/friend request: perfectly fine!

Flirting: ehhhh, again depends on the person, generally no

★Ways to refer to us★

Yes: system, voices, collective, council, alternatives, collection, plural, choir, headmate, sysmate, system member, homies, people, others, crew

Ehh: alters, multiple, gang, tribe

No: part, piece, shard

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Thats it i think lmao! Byeeee