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Arcane Season 2 is like that popular fanfic you open that has a cool concept and a nice idea but something about it (the writing) feels so off (the characters) that even though you read it to the end you sit there wondering what the fuck that was and why it's so popular
#though fanfic is not to be held to the same standard because its FREE and therefore really this is a dig at arcane NOT the fanfiction#i usually just leave when this happens because its FREE and the author wrote it for FREE and thats cool#arcane though? fuck them for this#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane critical#fanfiction#fanfic#ao3#jinx#vi#caitlyn kiramman#the wattpadification of arcane?#writing#characterisation#mel medarda#ambessa medarda#because those two got FUCKED over in season 2 and I hate it#dont even get me started on sevika cause Im still seething
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do you happen to have that page that talks about the beauty standards of each race?
Yeah sure. While scavenging pics for this I found this neat reddit compilation & chart & theory talk too. I had um, way more to say than I anticipated (I know you only wanted the one page. I have nothing to say for myself. Like most topics in Dunmeshi things snowball because theyâre so interconnected. MercyâŠ) so, many races and observations are only mentioned near the bottom.
Beauty standards and race in Dungeon Meshi
Not pictured thereâs also how elven society is harsh on visibly disabled people, and how the demon took away Mithrunâs silver eyes and ears to take away his pride. Thereâs also how Senshi might have fit in with the orcs more easily because of the dwarven wide body shape, and how they tend to have more body hair too I suppose. In the extra on orcs we see Senshi living with the orcs and he gets judged because of the hierarchy rather than his looks.
What is fashionable also differs from culture to culture, and thereâs how tattoos only seem common with elves, though dwarves and others do also sometimes have some. They seem to not raise much brows, which makes sense since for many essentially theyâre for professional (magical) purposes especially with elves. Gender roles also differ in type and importance, but generally they are similar to irl ones for the races we see. Elven society seems to be the least gendered, which would be an unsurprising logical outcome of having lesser sexual dimorphism aka they look more androgynous. Comparing fashions and gender roles and how they affect beauty standards would be a whole other compilation and conversation. Kui has great worldbuilding partially because sheâs got such a good grasp on sociopolitics and geopolitics. History affects cultures and beauty standards greatly. Kuiâs oneshot Distant Utopia was very eye opening on her way to worldbuild and the consideration she gives these things, I do really recommend reading it.
Out of the big 5, we know the least about gnomes, but their sheet does say both culture and region are similar to dwarvesâ and they end up being confused together often, so we can imagine the beauty standards are similar to dwarvesâ as well.
I wanted to touch on this in a post eventually, but how one daydream hour page said half-foots tended to be curvaceous like in the artwork below puzzled me for a long time, all the half-foot characters we see during canon are rather slender and lanky after all, Chilâs succubi also being more curvy than plump. Economics are for sure a factor in that I imagine, the half-foots characters we see are all implied to be some flavor of poor or malnourished, as are half-foots depicted as empoverished oppressed minorities in general. Even comparing the artwork with the half-foot sheetâs depicted average half-foot, the ones on the left seem bigger. Wouldnât it make sense though, if unlike dwarves half-foots donât have similar naturally wide bodies, yet due to idolizing dwarves they work towards having a similar body shape/type to emulate them?
Itâs said half-foots tend to stick to pretty ethnically homogeneous regions (aka half-foots-only communities) unless they move to the big city with ambition to try and make it big (like Chilchuck and his wife & kids did), and thatâs interesting imo because then that would mean that in a ton of half-foot communities, they rarely see or interact with dwarves whom they try to emulate. Of course, one thing about beauty standards is that when they get adopted, at one point it stops being "this is how dwarves look and so this is how half-foots should look" and just becomes "this is how half-foots should look", most people feel as though beauty standards arenât learned but innate, so I figure the half-foots wouldnât have any problem still seeking dwarvish traits when there are no dwarves around.
Thereâs also stuff you can glean here and there if you want to extrapolate more. Like how in the race swap artworks, Mickbell is only smiling in the dwarf portrait, and Rinâs elven portrait looks very close to her elven one- Rin who is stated to be beautiful in her profile blurb. Benichidoriâs extra does teach us tallmen can definitely have harsh beauty standards, but also since the text portrays her as very dysmorphic thatâs likely reflected in her thoughts to a much more intense degree than is common, not an accurate strict baseline to go off. Ah, Kabruâs blue eyes are also why he and his mother lived a rough life in Kabruâs hometown, but that seems to be regional. Good post here on the topic of Kabruâs blue eyes and ties to irl history. Thereâs a lot to be said about Kabru being a man that in many ways is close to elven beauty standards, and how that might have affected or been affected by his upbringing with elves + his persona as someone that can effortlessly charm most people. Marcilleâs section here in this essay also goes into Marcilleâs struggles to fit in with the ideal image of an elf.
Looking human
Also notable are beastkins and demihumans: Demihumans are all dehumanized which makes people treat them worse. So if you differ from the visual idea of "human" (an in-world subjective categorization just as much as demihuman is) most people do judge you negatively. Elves and dwarves get to fight about which type of human is considered the prettiest, but demihumans are below tallmen and half-foots, they are considered as simply below the beauty contest, incompatible with it.
Onis are perhaps the demihuman people we know of with the least cultural influence on the dunmeshi world, and with the least intensely different appearance than other demihumansâthey seem to be technically categorized as human to people not from the eastern archipelago?â but even them are treated as lesser than human, treated as beasts to slain for reputation points or useful strength to have around and command. Itâs said their "magnificient horns" and fangs are often shaven off when the oni lives in tallman towns, so you could easily make the argument that onis are denied the right to have their own beauty standards, having to conform to other peopleâs and going through mutilation to take away features they might otherwise have taken pride in. Inutade was bought by the Nakamotos from a dangerous sumo fighting ring that got one of Inutadeâs tooth broken on her first and only fight, and kept as a low ranking servant ever since. Remember when I said different fashions existed in dunmeshi and how those could also affect beauty standards? Like the elves, if you look at the portraits pages which include a lot of characters that arenât in the story you can see distinct cultures within the same races, for example one young elf is bald which is in sharp contrast with the usual elven long luscious hairstyles, and thatâs especially true for onis I think. Maybe not only from different regions but different eras as well⊠They have a bit of population in the very north of the western continent, so I like to think some of the ogres live in very cold, maybe even subarctic or arctic conditions. The point Iâm getting at here is that within a race, culture/ethnicity like with Kabru will also influence them it isnât just tallmen as a whole, different communities will have differing beauty standards. The oni history blurb and third row first collumn portrait remind me of Mongolia (which historically was a lot of different nomadic communities with different cultural identities as well. Something something, the oni empire experienced a decline and then tallmen overpowered them, and now theyâre governed and split apart by stronger social classes & slavers and the richness of culture was hurt for it especially if they have no real community left of their own), but obviously many of them are dressed and look rather japanese, makes sense considering living in/close to Wa, and first row second collumn portrait reminds me of ainus which again would be logical considering geographical placement, though Iâm far from an expert. Interestingly, ainus are indigenous people both in Japan and Russia- Perhaps the northern western continent ogres are meant to be closer to Russia than Canada like I imagined? Ok tangent over.
The kobold sheet says theyâre especially sought after as slaves because theyâre "adorable", but locally in the western continent theyâre repeatedly said to be seen more as ferocious and dangerous. The dehumanization is most apparent in the first comic below. The language barrier and conflicts no doubt worsen this by a lot, but I think itâd be hard to deny that their canine appearance makes the dehumanization worse. "Theyâre ferocious beasts, theyâre demihumans, they canât be communicated with". Most characters in Dungeon Meshiâs world are desensitized to slavery and most characters are prejudiced one way or another. Point being, kobolds are fully removed from human beauty standards, but no doubt for kobolds, other kobolds are more beautiful than humans are. Theyâre assumed to be an uncivilized bunch, but just like any other people they like to adorn themselves with nice clothes and jewelry and keep themselves clean and groomed; they too take care of their appearance and take pride in it.
And the orcs! This one we have the most contact with in canon, with not only there being foreigner characters from the ethnicity or hearsay of their homelands and culture but full on contact with a community. We get to see up close what theyâre like and what they think, and of course in turn theyâre our introduction to how demihumans are harshly looked down upon and seen as inferior, less human and thus less worth valuing and less dignified. Itâs text that orcs are ugly to most humans and humans are ugly to most orcs. Since I judged they didnât need accompanying explanation the pictures showing this are in the pictures dump at the top.
God forbid you sell vegetables to orcs my god- but then again they do basically mandate adventurers to kill any orcs they come across so yeah the world isnât above that even a little bit.
So yes, my main point here is simply that orcs are yet another evidence of the physical ideal of "human" being an important beauty standard for human societies globally.
Izutsumi is our glimpse at how beastkins are treated in the world, and in Wa at least thatâs ending up being caged and mistreated as part of a freak show. Izutsumi hates her appearance and wishes she could leave the feline part of herself behind to only be human. Interestingly, not that we have a lot of info on them so this is very much a take with a grain of salt situation, but there seems to be less stigma around artificial beastmen, those who can shapeshift at will. The main difference is of course appearance, that most of the time they simply look like average tattooed humans. Artificially creating humans is an illegal practice, and no doubt itâs not well regarded, but being able to hide that makes them less likely to be discriminated at any moment, or even just discriminated less intensely. Again, looking human is important, not only for belonging but for safetyâs sake. Beauty standards rule the world with harsh hands.
Mermaids and fishmen
Ok weâre done now right? Right-! But wait⊠WaitâŠ! Mermaids and fishmen are said to be demihumans too, special separate cases to the main three demihuman species however, which is also represented by how mermaids and fishmen both are in the Adventurerâs Bible chapter Monsters meanwhile ogres, kobolds and orcs are in the chapter World. Theyâre an interesting topic because they directly tackle this topic, not only in a meta way for the readers but also making characters themselves struggle to quantify their humanity with the goal of knowing wether they should be eaten or not, especially Chilchuck. Chilchuckâs "is it really just a matter of feelings?" mini arc.
The party asking themselves "Should we eat this?" is very common, and often they end up playing a little loose on morality, like eating the red dragonâs meat despite it having digested Falin. Not unsimilarly Marcille freaks out a little over the vegetables they harvested having been grown with fertilizer, aka largely human poo. Half of the motivation of "should we eat this perhaps sentient creature" is out of consideration and compassion, but more strongly and more often, the characters struggle with a sense of taboo at eating something too closely related to humans. Even, feel uncomfortable because of the deepseated impression that eating it would dirty them in some way. Cannibalism is an interesting and relevant topic in many ways, but what I want to mention is how thereâs the more or less universal belief that committing cannibalism inherently taints you as a person and turns you more monstrous, morally but also literally depending on some myths such as w*ndigos and onis in some cases, like in Touge Oni. Marcille and Izutsumi both express a fear of eating monsters turning them monstrous. Maybe this is part of what Laios was hoping for, honestly. There are two fears here, if eating a demihuman monster constitutes as cannibalism or not, and so, will eating it taint you because itâs a human, or will eating it taint you because itâs a monster? You are what you eat, until itâs a little too literal. You morally are the means by which you get your food, and you physically are the result of your nutrition. Dungeon meshi manages to mix an exploration of humanity with the theme of food because our relationship to food is very deep and complex, psychological as much as physiological.
In the end, the characters sort of shrug and accept that theyâll never quite understand the world of mermaids and fishmen and how they operate, and what that means about them. Laios is the one always challenging these notions other characters take for granted, itâs not obvious to Laios why people are softer on mammals than other animals and plants, itâs not obvious to Laios why people would be afraid of eating a monster just because itâs a monster, itâs not obvious to Laios why some food is gross to Marcille but not fish testicles, itâs not obvious to Laios why you should immediately regard orcs and kobolds badly.
"Cows are probably closer to humans [aka closer to being human] than fishmen, though theyâre clearly intelligent", dehumanization to lessen empathy towards them to be able to eat them. Meanwhile, mermaids seemingly have a less noticeable "civilization" or intelligence, they hunt in groups like fishmen, but they donât use tools and such, they feel more primal and similarly instinct driven, and yet⊠Do they attract sympathy more? Mammals, humans, is it because of their nature or because of their appearance?
Both the nature and appearance of fish are ones people donât typically sympathize with. "Fish donât feel pain", "goldfish only have 5 seconds of memory", "itâs okay to keep fish in completely empty bowls too small for them until they die from it", so many lies and misconceptions exist that make people less considerate of them. The average lifespan of a goldfish is 10-15 years, the record is 43, but theyâre not seen as lives that really matter, so a lot of goldfish die in a few weeks of bad aquarium conditions. Thereâs a lot of research on animals evolving to look cute and appealing to make some predators want to kill them less and parents want to care for them more, including humans. First good google research result gave me this credible short article on the topic. In Chilchuckâs weighing wether a fishman is far enough from being human or not to eat, "face is 100% fish" is his biggest argument for it being more acceptable. The face, the most important thing for empathy and recognition. The face, the decapitated fishman one that falls into his hands next chapter.
To quote @room-surprise: "Chilchuck can't explain why it's wrong to eat the merpeople, even though it's NOT complicated. But the problem is Chilchuck would have to accept and acknowledge that the merpeople might be people? And that's outside of the worldview he passively believes, so he can't just say that, because he doesn't think that's true. But that IS why he "feels" it's wrong. And it's all you'd need to say for Laios to understand! But it would require acknowledging that maybe the way they're treating and talking about the merpeople is wrong."
The idea of Chil not being able to grapple with how maybe some monsters are more humans than they seem, him who had been an advocate of half-foots rights, half-foots who get undermined and treated as inconsequential sacrifices⊠Grappling with how he could relate to the merpeopleâs situation almost, and pulling away because itâs so existentially horrifying. I do not want to see myself into an hostile fish-faced warrior I canât communicate with. In a way this also relates to Chilchuck being the only party member who doesnât see Izutsumi as a cat in the relationship chart, the only one to treat her with full human dignity. He knows the struggle to be taken seriously, he knows being infantilized and he knows what itâs like to be treated as less than human.
Below, you will see Chilchuck draws the line of where they become not okay to eat as when "they already look like mermaids". Above, thereâs speculation that the algae hair is partly to mimic "the mermaidsâ beautiful female form". Is it because mermaids are their enemies and the ambiguity might give them extra seconds to attack or flee? Is it to trick adventurers instead? Itâs striking to me that this is what works, with the adventurers. Sure the fishmen are intelligent, but explicitly here, what makes them no longer acceptable prey to Chilchuck is that they look close enough to a mermaid, close enough to human. Mermaids who of course themselves have this form to entice and seduce and charm the adventurers they prey on. Chilchuck considers the intelligence due to the tridents, but most of his internal debate centers around their appearance, and the image of a fishman skewered sickens him. The power of mimicry⊠Mimic being a beautiful human woman. Mimic being cute, babies being wired to make us feel protective and softened. Half-foots, sometimes pretending to be children for scams or help or avoiding trouble.
The mermaids are only concerned by their differences and not their similarities, and have no trouble treating the fishmen as food rather than peers. To an outside perspective like us, the audience, all these categorization of "more human" and "less human" between onis and orcs and elves and tallmen etc seem stupid and unfounded, but to the people living in Dungeon Meshiâs world, elves may as well be mermaids while onis are fishmen, not alike at all, unworthy of empathy and thus fine to eat.
Ultimately, Dungeon Meshi promotes unity. Itâs about seeking to understand the unknown and the misunderstood, the dehumanized and the inhuman. It shows the good that comes from seeking to understand what you do not, even when thatâs one another.
#Dungeon meshi#dunmeshi lore#Compilation#Ok⊠I think I didnât forget anything. Feel free to point things out or discuss in comments and tags though#Delicious in dungeon#Ik i strayed a bit from the central topic but who knew beauty standards and discrimination went hand in hand /s#Ask me about my dunmeshi kobold ocâŠâŠâŠ.. ask me about my dunmeshi ocsâŠâŠ..#Can we give body neutrality an amen#Tw racism#cw racism#The âwhat are you talking about Marcille. Senshi is handsomeâ gag has 2 layers then doesnât it#Like obvi Marcille is noticing the difference between shapeshifter and og senshi rather than making a judgement#But the elf being *the* one to notice and say âSenshi looks more handsome than usual thatâs weird??â may very well be an effect of living#with elven beauty standards yeah#Meta#I wanted to make a post on the half-foots body type thing and the oni mongolian coding and the chilchuck merman thing so#Three in one đ” why take the initiative when you can just wait for the tiniest opportunity#Chilchuck tims#Analysis#dunmeshi fishmen#Itâs very interesting to think of how there being so many people *that* physically different affects politics and beauty standards#MimicsâŠ. Pacing my room. Pondering. MimicsâŠâŠâŠ#The burnout is over yippee#Ok but for reals though race is largely a social construct. Critical race theory good. Go read Distant Utopia by Ryoko Kui#âYeah sure.â < person who thought sheâd just be grabbing like 3 pics and had no clue sheâd become hyperfocused for hours#The classic societal obsession for classifying and exaggerating physical traits into boxes of innate goodness vs evilâŠ
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definitely the most *mumblemumble* story of all time, I reckon.
#sophie.txt#dank mha meems#mha critical#gonna try answering some asks this weekend now that I've more or less accepted that mha's ending is the pits#work doesn't really give me any free time these days so i've been trying to spend what time i do have off on stuff that's more rewarding đ#i've never had a series go from like a 8.5/10 to like a 3/10 if-i'm-being-generous in so few chapters though lmfao
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how is taylor swift going to have that whole thing with joe and how she couldnât deal with the fact he had mental health issues so she cheated on him and has basically done everything she can to make his life worse since breaking up with him (her fan base also going after him) but then go and romanticize asylums and mental illness and stuff like that with her new depressed poet persona. like am I the only one who thinks itâs weird that she would act like sheâs struggling with her mental health while also making songs outing joes struggles with depression and how he should have gotten over it so they could marry
#anti taylor swift#free joe alwyn#joe alwyn#swifties dni#taylor swift critical#anti swifties#fuck her though#seriously#she is a billionaire with access to literally any treatment she could ever need#and she romanticizes mental institutions where real people get abused and traumatized#all that on top of her being extremely unsupportive of joe and his struggles with depression#fuck taylor swift#jfc
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Isn't it interesting how people complain that (canon) Zutara somehow promotes unhealthy relationship dynamics, but it's always a k*taang talking about how we should let people disrespect us and cross our boundaries just because they're having a hard time?
#they always excuse aangs possessiveness and noncon kiss with katara in book 3#even though he never apologized or showed he learned anything#'he's a genocide survivor' ok so is she. what about her feelings?#i don't care what you've been through you don't get a free pass to violate people#not to mention this was written by american men in 2005 who knew better#zutara#anti kataang#atla#avatar the last airbender#katara deserved better#aang critical#canon critical
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Why is Angel's SA literally the only one taken "seriously" (if you can even call it that.) Every other one is either made into a joke or punchline (Pent or Mox) or completely ignored and they pretend it isn't happening (Blitz) Why is Angel's the only one that matters???
#Weird pattern I noticed#also Angel seems to be given a free pass to sexually harass Husk#bc he's a victim#like no????#And then HUSK is blamed when he lashes out#Even though it's a very VERY valid reaction.#hazbin critical#hazbin hotel critical#helluva boss critical#helluva boss criticism#helluva boss critique#helluva critical#spindlehorse critical#stolas critical#vivziepop critical#vivziepop criticism#hazbin critique#hazbin criticism
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The way people talk about Tsukasa makes me want to murder people /neg
Somehow just because Tsukasa attracted the attention of the younger fanbase, people just have found themselves allowing to dunk on his fanbase because "how dare these 12 year old misinterpret a character that I don't even personally like".
Because yeah it's almost like young people can identify a darker part of a character but overexagerate it because the part that discerns nuance isn't even fucking developped yet. Or you know maybe it's just fun making angst, maybe they're just venting through Tsukasa ?
And somehow these people making angst are somehow more wrong than the people who just act as though Tsukasa is like the happiest guy ever with the least amount of struggles (because how dare he be happy, the only way a person can be struggling is if they're miserable 24/7).
Like it's wild it's somehow the same thing that happened to Sans, it's as though people don't realize that making a character have less problem than in canon is just as much of a misinterpretation than the opposite, you're not smarter for it.
No genuinely what's wrong with people, every other male oc fans get to do whatever and somehow Tsukasa fans are the ones that only enjoy his character cause he's a "dude".
I'm a Rui fan but it makes 0 sense to me how much of us just get away with more because ig it's more acceptable to make angst of rui ????
Like people say "wow people exagerate Tsukasa's backstory so muchh lol", like ok here are the multiple instances of Tsukasa flashbacks :
-Dazzling Lights
-Tenma mixed event
-Colorfes card
-Vocaloid World Link
Wow, yeah really short and rare Tsukasa flashbacks yeah....
And also people acting as though he was fine being alone at home are just straight up lying, like that is a lie the game literally tells you he's not fine blatantly in Dazzling Lights. And if you somehow needed more proof you can dig through the vocaloid world link, his colorfes card or even fucking side card stories.
There's no reason to talk about Tsukasa fans and how exagerated Tsukasa angst is i'm sorry, you're just being a bully and passive agressive to fans who want to have fun. The only time it's worth while to dunk on them is for ableism which IS a problem with Tsukasa fans.
Obviously I'm not gonna police you into what you should talk about but I just think it's really obnoxious and just kinda has been worsening the toxicity of this already radioactive fandom.
Also don't take anything in this post too personally this is just like a scream into the void about this fandom's behavior around Tsukasa.
I'm talking about this also because I literally saw firsthand how just kinda mean people are to others who just have fun.
#project sekai#pjsk#prsk#tsukasa tenma#tsukasa wxs#tenma tsukasa#wonderlandxshowtime#wxs#fandoms are trying way too hard to dunk on people for making things too edgy cause they remembered when fandoms used to thrive on that shit#like this behavior is just residue from the cringe culture era#also don't say âwell it's just me criticising their analysisâ cause 99 pourcent of the time it's not and often time those#criticism are based on just complete falsehoods or biases#like yeah sure you don't think Tsukasa's childhood was âthat badâ but uhm the story still confirms it had#an effect on him like weither you want to deny that or not#if you want tsukasa to be your happy golden boy you can but it's as much of a âminsinterpretationâ as the people you dunk on from making#tsukasa a sad little guy#if tsukasa fans annoy you talk about it to your friends don't just like act passive agressive#also keep in mind Tsukasa isn't my fav in WxS the only reason I talk about him so much is because people just keep talking nonsense#In fact i'm more of a Ruinene type of guy the only reason I don't talk about Nene as much is bc she is (mostly) free of misinterpretation#though that's in part bc no one talks about her even though she deserves it
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It's weird to expect lb to be able to read cn mind and called her a bad partner for it. But it's even weirder for lb to ignore cn WHEN HES OBVIOUSLY IN DISTRESS and not called her a bad partner for it because I think called her a bad partner for ignoring it is understandable and justified especially since she consider herself as his boss.
Every time I bring up this conflict, I try to make it clear that I don't think Ladybug was blameless, I just think Chat Noir's writing was worse. Let's walk through the problem to show what I mean.
Season four stars with Marinette extremely stressed by her new Guardian status. In Truth and Lies, the first episodes of the season, we get this:
Ladybug: Will you cut it out with the practical jokes? I could have really hurt you! Cat Noir:(answering while hanging by the yo-yo) M'lady, the only thing that really hurts me is when you make me go on patrol by myself. (sighs, relaxing his posture) I even missed your little angry pout. Ladybug: Sorry, Kitty Cat, I'm a bit over my head at the moment. (pulling him up) Cat Noir: I bet! "Guardian of the Miraculous", big name, big responsibility!
This is also the start to Chat Noir communicating poorly. In this episode, he's straight up told that Ladybug is in over her head and he never once asks how he can help. In fact, we even get him saying this when asked how he feels about the change:
Truth:Â Cat Noir, tell me what- (interupted by Ladybug throwing a present at Truth) Ladybug:Â (covering her parasol with foil) ...do you think about my new role as guardian! Cat Noir:Â If it doesn't change things between us, then I'm good with it!
So not a great start to the season. I know people focused on Adrien's terrible treatment of Kagami in these episodes, but this Ladynoir dynamic was actually what rang alarm bells for me. I kept waiting for Chat Noir to offer his support since it was really, really obvious that Ladybug was in over her head since she was late to patrols, the last season literally ended with her losing her mentor figure, and, you know, she straight up told him that was what was going on?
The next episode is Gang of Secrets in which we see Marinette out her identity to Alya. I get why she did this, she needed support and her partner doesn't seem interested in giving it, but she can't say that for certain because she never asked him directly and she should have. Trusting Chat Noir over Alya would have allowed Ladynette to maintain the security of her secret identity - a thing she claimed was more important than ever - and to honor their partnership. At the very least, she should have told Chat Noir that Rena Rouge was now a full time holder so that he could account for that in battle and to minimize the fallout by owning up to her mistake asap. The longer a lie goes on, the worse the truth will hurt.
To Ladybug's credit, she does eventually acknowledge her mistake after the Scarabella incident:
Ladybug: You... must've been pretty surprised to discover there was another holder! (Silence. She sits beside Cat Noir.) Ladybug: I'm really sorry, Cat Noir. I should've told you. I mean, if I found out that you told someone about your secret identity, I'd... probably be upset, too. I'm really sorry I hurt your feelings.
This is a decent apology. She doesn't try to absolve herself of wrong doing. Instead, she acknowledges that what she did would hurt her, too, if the shoe were on the other foot. The only thing she loses points on is the fact that she doesn't tell him about Rena Furtive.
However, instead of agreeing with her and telling her that she has hurt him, Chat Noir says that she did nothing wrong and never once brings up how their weakened partnership is bothering him:
Cat Noir: You didn't hurt my feelings. You did everything right. Paris will always need a Ladybug superhero to watch over her. It's just... I realized that if one day that hero wasn't you, m'lady, since we don't know each other's identities, that means... I'd never see you again. Ever. And now, I just don't know if I can bear it.
This is the thing that I hate about this arc. The reason why I say Ladybug is blamed for not reading his mind. Especially because, three episodes later, we get Rocketear, which gives us this:
Cat Noir: Everyone has doubts now and then, (looks down) even me... Ladybug: Is everything okay, Cat Noir? Cat Noir: Yeah, yeah. (prepare his fist) Pound it! Ladybug: (fistbumps) Pound it!
Rocketear is the episode where Nino outs that he and Alya know each other's identities while acting like Ladybug said identities weren't a big deal even though that is very much not what happened. You'd think that Chat Noir would want to know the full story, but instead he just lies and says that everything is fine.
So we have two situations where the show allowed Ladybug to give Chat Noir a chance for clear and open communication and both times he turns her down.
What's worse is that he clearly starts making up stories in his head, leading to Kuro Neko, which starts with Adrien avoiding a fight on purpose as some sort of shit test. He then gets upset when Ladybug... doesn't lament his absence on national TV?
Clara:Â (from TV)Â By the way, where's Cat Noir? You've saved Paris without him quite a few times recently. Are you two at odds with each other? Carapace, Pegasus, Vesperia and Pigella:Â (from TV)Â Pound it! Ladybug:Â (from TV)Â Of course not, it's just that... umm, he's a partner like any other! The most important is to pick the best superheroes for each mission, with or without Cat Noir. No matter what, we've got a great team and we'll always be here to save Paris. (Adrien is shocked.) Adrien:Â (turns off the TV and sighs)Â "A partner like any other..."
Dude, what did you want her to do here? Complain that you flaked on her? Make Paris feel less safe by saying she doesn't know where you are? Imply that the fight was barely won without you? What are you doing? Plagg, you are completely failing as a mentor right now.
The shit test continues as Chat Noir goes to meet up with Ladybug now that the battle is over, arriving just as Ladybug has finished instructing the team on what to do:
Ladybug: Come on, guys! Hurry up before you all detransform. I'll meet you at rendezvous points. (The heroes jump away in different directions, and Ladybug starts typing something on her Yo-yo.) Cat Noir: Hey! Meow are you, m'lady? Ladybug: Great, thanks, but I gotta go retrieve all these Miraculous. Cat Noir: I could lend you a paw to help save time. Ladybug: Thanks, kitty cat, but it's a guardian's job to do it. Cat Noir: I know who some of them are, remember? I was there when you first gave them their Miraculous! Ladybug: You don't even know where their rendezvous points are, I don't have time toâ Cat Noir: Playing cat and mouse is my forte, you knowâ Ladybug: (yelling) If you wanna save me time, stop wasting it in the first place! (Cat Noir gasps. As Ladybug swings away, Cat Noir clenches his fist.) Cat Noir: And take my Miraculous back when you're done!
So Ladybug doesn't publicly chastise Chat Noir for missing the battle and rejects an offer to help because of very legitimate timing concerns, leading to Chat Noir quitting because she failed his stupid, petty, childish tests. Realistic writing? Yes. Writing that paints Ladybug as the one in the wrong? No.
Going into this episode, Ladybug has no idea that things are messed up between them even though she has actually kept communication lines open. She asks him if things are okay, but he lies. And when he's ready to quit? He plays stupid games and wins a stupid prize. It's really not shocking that the next scene sees Ladybug totally baffled by what just happened:
Plagg: For a while now, you've been neglecting this camembertâ I mean Cat Noir, and going on adventures with the all other cheeses! Ladybug: But he should be happy about it, it gives him more time off. Plagg: Cat Noir doesn't wanna have time off, Ladybug! He is in love with you! And your persistent calling on all the other heroes has broken his heart.
And how is she supposed to know that, Plagg? Was she supposed to assume that her partner was lying when he said he was fine? Because she did ask and he said that nothing was wrong. But something was wrong and it lead him to build up a story in his head, reading nonexistent intent into her actions, all of which is toxic and unhealthy communication.
I cannot stress how common this shit is. I've seen it so many times and I will own that I've done it in the past and wound up getting no support when I needed it because I'd directly told people I didn't and they committed the heinous crime of... believing me.
Here's the other thing, there are times when I'm in distress and legitimately don't want or need help. Times when I just need to be alone for a bit. So if someone asks me if I'm okay during those times, I'm probably just going to say, "Yeah, I just need a people break" or something like that. That's why the Scarabella scene is so bad. Ladybug can see that Chat Noir is in distress and he gives her a fully plausible answer: I'm not upset with you, I'm just saddened by the idea of losing you. And she believes him because why wouldn't she?
Same goes for Rocketear. It's reasonable for Ladybug to assume that Chat Noir is just shaken by the fight. She has no idea about the bombshell that Nino dropped right before the fight. She doesn't even know that Nino and Chat Noir are actually close friends, making this fight a lot more devastating than it looks at face value. Her actions here are not objectively wrong. They're only wrong if you know the whole story, including Adrien's needs. Things that she cannot know unless Chat Noir uses his words to tell her things.
I cannot over stress how much season four is a textbook example of denying yourself support because you cannot communicate your own needs. Is it an understandable character flaw for a character with Adrien's background to have? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. But it's still a character flaw. This season desperately needed an arc about Adrien learning to tell people what's wrong. Not because he's the only one in the wrong here, but because things cannot get better when Ladybug has no idea that she's hurting him. (Nino has no idea either, but let's keep our focus on Ladybug.)
One of the most important things you can do for your own mental well being is to dismiss the idea that your needs are the same as everyone else's. Everyone needs different amounts of attention and values different behavior based on things like their upbringing and life events.
I get the feeling that I'm wired pretty similar to Marinette. At least, it influences how I write her because I can go months without talking to my best friends and still call them my best friends, a trait we all share because two of use are artsy introverts and two of us are moms to young kids, which allows for very little free time. Meanwhile, my SO and his best friend spend hours on the phone almost every week. I swear that those two go into withdrawal if they don't talk at least once every seven days. If months went by without them talking? Something would be very wrong, but the exact same time gap isn't even remotely concerning when it comes to my friends. It's something my SO and I had to figure out when we got together because I need a lot less attention than he does. But we communicated and found a balance that we continue to work to communicate about so that he doesn't feel neglected and I don't feel overwhelmed by too little me time.
What I'm trying to say is Marinette wasn't horribly wrong for assuming that Chat Noir was telling her the truth or that he liked having a larger team so he had less responsibility. Those are reasonable assumptions. Especially since he never actually indicated that he wanted more responsibility until he was ready to quit and decided to shit test her by pushing for more to do when she was stressed and on a timer.
I do think that she should have offered it to him before that or - at the very least - the show should have clearly stated why she didn't do that since it apparently had nothing to do with Chat Blanc trauma like we all thought it did. I'm not saying that she's blameless or perfect or that there weren't things she could have done better. It's just really hard for me to look at Chat Noir's behavior in season four and go, "Oh yeah, he's the injured party here. Ladybug holds all the blame and did everything wrong." She did many things wrong, but generally speaking, she owned her faults and tried to keep communication channels open. Chat Noir chose to ignore those chances to talk or otherwise try to express his needs in a clear and understandable manner.
We'll end with one final point to drive this home: You said that she's his boss. Well, if my boss asked me, "is everything okay with the project?" and I said, "yes" while freaking out about the upcoming deadline that I'm probably going to miss because he's given me too much work, the issue is not all on my boss. It's on both of us. Him for overloading me and me for not telling him I'm overloaded. You could even argue that it's mostly on me because I'm the only one who can properly gauge my own ability to do a given workload. As soon as it was too much, I should have said something. And if I don't feel like my boss is approachable? Then I should quit. But that isn't the situation I'm in and it doesn't appear to be the one that Chat Noir was in, either. He wanted to stay part of the team, he just totally failed to tell Ladybug how being on the team was making him feel.
People magically knowing what you need and how you feel is a myth. I promise you, most people in this world do not want to cause you pain, but if you cannot clearly express when someone is causing you pain, then you will continue to get hurt by people who would be very happy to not hurt you if they actually knew that their actions were causing you pain.
#ml writing critical#ml writing salt#adrien deserves better#marinette deserves better#I do give Luka a bit of a side eye for not getting involved after Wishmaker though#Dude's supposed to be some sort of empath and he's at his best when he's in a mentor role#He should have been allowed to be Adrien's Alya since Nino is clearly not suited for the role#Season four my belothed#kuro Neko salt#ml season 4 salt#you cannot expect someone to correct their behavior when no one is telling them that they're behaving badly#And no one calls Marinette out so of course she doesn't change her behavior!#She is shown to be willing to change when prompted too#She only knew that something was wrong post Scarabella because Alya told her#Do you really think Marinette was aware that she was hurting Chat Noir and just willfully kept doing it?#Or is it more likely that she just didn't know because no one told her?#Feel free to give Tikki some blame too because she's been a real shitty mentor for a while now#which breaks my heart because I love Tikki and Plagg and want them to be good mentors
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things that are most definitely not going to happen, but my brain went "OH GODS WHAT IF THEY DO THIS" about them anyway - for the critical role 9th anniversary episode this thursday (in order from most to least likely)
More characters from previous campaigns cameos
The Legend of Vox Machina season 3 date announcement
The Mighty Nein animated series premiere date announcement
Robbie Daymond comes back and Dorian rejoins Bells Hells
Predathos awakens
Bells Hells find Grog on the moon
Vax is released from the orb
#feel free to add your unlikely predictions#real talk though - mighty nein announcement for the NEINTH anniversary would be so good#bells hells#cr campaign 3#critical role anniversary#the mighty nein#tm9#tlovm#robbie daymond#dorian storm#grog strongjaw#vax'ildan#cr spoilers#critical role spoilers
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My weird relationship with the She-Ra franchise
#this is messy I know#feel free to ask me anything by the way if something isnt clear <3#please be kind and respectful btw. this is meant to attack anyone! just to share my feelings for maybe someone can relate <3#spop was my favorite show at one point and this is kinda how that relationship started to mud due to me growing more critical of it#as well as growing more and more uncomfortable in the fandom#I feel insanely guilty for being critical of the show#but I feel ignorant for shoving the criticisms aside#it has currently sucked out any of the joy I felt before#but 80s spop kinda lives outside of that context#it makes it safe for me#and I can at least in some way enjoy this franchise once dear to me again#she ra#spop#spop critical#again please dont be mean im already oof its been a lot#feel free to share your experiences though đ#vent#vent comic#tw vent#fandom culture
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i'm actually pretty far into my Picard-era Voyager reunion fic (about 6k out of.... probably 9k or so) but i'm a bit insecure about it because every other longer fic i've written has been a little more insightful & deeper whereas this feels too surface level for my tastes. like i enjoy writing it. and i'd enjoy it if i was just a reader rather than a writer. it's fun to catch up with these characters and figure out how their relationships have changed and write some banter but idk it's just not clicking the way my other recent published fics have.
#yes yes i know not everything has to be that deep and i'm writing this *because* it's a fun fluff piece to break up the serious stuff a bit#but i think at the end of the day i'm just not a good fluff writer. i need angst. i need some sort of plot.#i also made a stylistic choice to only write from one perspective#and i stand by it. i think it still works#but it is a bit annoying because my default response to âthis scene is getting uninterestingâ to me is to switch pov#anyways i need to stop being too self-critical. at the end of the day it's fanfic. i'm doing this for fun and for free#not every one will be a banger#i am very much hoping to finish it by the end of the year though#writing woes#(also i keep seeing the recent âworst star trek showâ poll go around here and like. i get why ppl don't like Picard. i sympathize with#a lot of the criticisms even if i don't 100% agree. but also while the show is bumpy it's given me so much creative inspiration the past#year and a half. and constantly seeing negativity about it is kinda tanking my motivation to write anything for or around the show and#:( i get it but also i can fix her. idk i know i just need to get over it and focus on what makes me happy & inspired)
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Fuck I love the concept of Suggestion as an anti price-gouging utility.
#Critical Role#CR3#CR3-95#judging by their reactions half the table does too XD#Though the NPCs get the privilege of not having the guy roll a save for it. I doubt the party would get that roll-free.
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the way that I just had the cutest dream about imodna, like they were so soft đ„ș but then the dream turned into a nightmare of sorts and they started killing each other?
#my incapability of having nightmare free sleep is honestly outstanding#even in small ways like this#also it was interrupted my landlord calling and I donât know if Iâm happy or sad about it#context is that one of them got really jealous cause the other cheated and was getting abused by this person as well?#and somehow that turned into a battle to the death? idk#before all that though they were having the cutest time just loving each other#also I think laudna mightâve been a ghost#or turned into a ghost#only Imogen could see her#imodna#critical role
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watched gladiator ii. of course a deeply inaccurate and rather silly movie, and I do mean deeply inaccurate, but fundamentally also a rather dull story. unoriginal in terms of what it did and thematically exactly as advertised, by which I mean a male power fantasy of restoring lost honour (in a manly way rahhh swords) to a country corrupted by weak and effeminate men and sycophants. visually beautiful, but unoriginal even in that - there is perhaps one shot in the entire movie that will stay with me
#better than writing an essay though. and it was free so.#gladiator 2#gladiator ii#gladiator ii critical#is that a tag? I do not know nor care#the roman newspaper#and the Virgil quote being in English when all the other text was in latin#was deeply funny to me though
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fundamentally not frustrated but very confused at them all being like "alright guys, we came here to make tough choices!" but then the following conversation is half of them being like "wait but what if this idea is fucking stupid and dangerous actually and we shouldn't risk it because it could blow up in our faces"
well, i mean, part and parcel of a tough choice. it's not gonna be pretty. even if you do manage to keep the gods here and kill predathos and ludinus, ludinus' followers aren't going to vanish overnight. making a wild swing for the fences is the best shot even if it does flip the table. i thought we were over this.
#đ#critical role#critrole#cr spoilers#time for me to stay outta the ashton tag. doot de doo#i could never get mad at imogen though... or orym but this ain't about him lol#of COURSE she's panicking about being a vessel and bringing up followers to avoid being turned into a soul jar#may i recommend you use the flesh orb that we call All-Minds Burn instead? it's free
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I have a problem with regards to dorym in that not only while ExU Prime was airing I was very into doriax (still am tbh), but when I browsed the doriax tag on ao3, I saw a fair amount of aroace-spec orym hcs, which sunk their claws into me and have not let me go since. And such a headcanon doesnât necessarily preclude shipping, but it does affect it.
So I do kinda get dorym. I get the vibes. Especially with the sending stone messages bc like, oof. Thatâs good stuff. But idk it doesnât really do it for me romantically.
qpr!dorym however⊠thatâs making me feel a lot of things. Something about that dynamic with orymâs intense yearning for dorianâs presence and support makes me feel on the edge of ferality đ
#when the dorym is romantic: đ#when the dorym is queerplatonic: đđ„șđđ« #yes multi shipping is a thing and I support it but I am genuinely terrible at it#i could do it for fe3h but apparently not since#honestly though a very consistent pattern with the bells hells for me is not strictly romantic shipping#even with imodna though laudna is not free of my aro/ace-ification beam#bells hells#critical role#eve talks
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