#anti Tulpa

[scratching-p0st]

Endos arent a part of syspunk bcause ableism isnt punk

[cccat-in-a-meat-sack]

Us: yea so we believe that plurality is caused by trauma due to many scientific sources saying so

Pro endos: oh so you think every endo is faking??? and you're requiring them to spill their trauma to you???

Us: no- we think that some endos are faking but a majority are just misinformed and/or misidentifying their symptoms. and we don't require nor want people spilling their trauma to us, we just block or move on if we see an endo/pro endo

Pro endos: you're being ABLEIST!

Us:....are you listening to a word we're saying

[haunted-house-sys]

Cutely blocking pro endos and other nontraumgens on SIGHT

We are anti endo and other non traumgens + those who support them...

We dont actively discuss syscourse on our blog, and will continue not to. Why?

BECAUSE IT'S PROTECTING OUR MENTAL HEALTH.

If y'all are coming at us to "uh ACTUALLY ☝️🤓" us we will block y'all on the topic of endos, tulpas, all that other bull.

We will look in from afar, and talk about it with our partner system, but that's the extent of it.

Listen...

We dont care if you are "built different" or "systems just happen without trauma"

Fucking BULLSHIT.

Who are YOU to tell that to those of us who had to face YEARS of utter HELL when we were only JUST KIDS?! "Uhm actually were a system too without the trauma" "we wanted this!"

NO TF YOU DONT. Being a system if FUCKING HELL. Get the fuck off our blog and get the fuck off our posts...

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Hi.. this was Illya with a BPD episode stemmed from the utter searing hot anger that boiled through my veins after seeing an endo "um actually" me... fuck y'all...

[hope-on-syscourse]

(Thanks to the Howling Wolves Systems from our userbox blog for bringing this up to us btw)

The way people try to defend non traumagenic plurality is fucking insane

“If you collect things but don’t claim to be autistic you’re ableist”

COLLECTING THINGS ISNT EXCLUSIVE TO AUTISM WTF??? 😭😭

“If you have a runny nose but say you don’t have a cold then you’re faking”

A runny nose? Is that really the best example you could think of? A runny nose isn’t exclusive to colds you numbat

Mod J then asked for sources and they answered…

For starters, Tulpamancy is closed Tibetan practice. Anyone who is doing Tulpamancy and isn’t and Tibetan Monk or whatever they’re called IS BEING CULTURALLY APPROPRIATIVE.

The third link has Psychosis in its link, which is more than enough for me to call bullshit on this persons sources.

YOU CANNOT BE A SYSTEM WITHOUT TRAUMA. BEING PLURAL IS INHERENTLY DISORDERED. YOU CAN ONLY BE PLURAL IF YOU HAVE A CDD.

ENDOS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS NEED TO FUCKING TOUCH GRASS AND STOP BEING SO CHRONICALLY ONLINE

[the-abandoned-director]

Did you know it's actually not punk to fake a disorder

Did you know it's not punk to try and pretend a disorder is just a silly quirky thing

Did you know it's not ableist to call someone out when they support people faking a disorder for funzies

Did you know it's not punk to just idly stand by and allow people to destroy real punks image?

ENDOS are not and never will be punk, learn what punk means. Do some research.

[ratinacoat]

"If tulpas aren't real why has no one complained that it doesn't work?"

Because when you teach someone to "fake it till you make it" they're going to fully convince themselves something is happening when it's not. Telling people to convince themselves they're experiencing something they aren't is harmful, it's dangerous, it disconnects them from reality, it hurts them.

You can believe in your own shit. If you want to believe that you created an imaginary friend that's sentient then you do you, but don't push other people to doing that. If the only way you can create a tulpa is to lie to yourself until you start to believe it, you're not creating anything but a state of psychosis.

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emoji dump because I've made some already

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[sovsys-afterhours]

I think we overcompensate a lot.

We're so worried that we're somehow accidentally faking / so frequently in denial, that we try to make ourselves feel more valid by "forcing" a lot of things that, in our weird roundabout logic, seem more "system-y" when not only does that make us feel even worse about system stuff, but it also just makes us feel bad about ourselves in general.

We've engraved this bad habit of forcing accents or mannerisms (particularly in us introjects) to make us feel better- more like a system- when all it does is backfire.

I think this vicious cycle manifested when we started to try and unmask our multiplicity, an entirely out-of-hand overcorrection that only really serves to hurt us.

It's really frustrating, and kind of sad... especially because we're so used to this "mask of unmasking" that we don't know how to just "be ourselves."

We realize this same unhealthy behavior over and over again, but it's just so insanely hard to shake that even after promising to ourselves countless times that we'll just relax, let this weird gaurd down and exist as us; we always come back to the "safety" of our broken mask.

We're so tired of it, but we don't know how to make it stop.

[perchuuu]

it's exhausting trying to argue with people who genuinely believe that RAMCOA and "variations of DID" like and HC-DID is real and don't want to accept the fact that they're feeding into a racist conspiracy theory and making it harder for actual systems to get diagnosed

[the80srewinders]

We used to be pro endo, but we're not anymore. We've learned, we've grown. We've seen bad things from both sides- anti endo and pro endo. We took time away from the online plural community to do immense research into endogenic systems and have concluded there's no proof they exist, and the only proof they give into their existence is opinion or studies that don't involve brain imaging. They never cite real medical sources or scientific sources, and since plurality is neurodivergence, endogenic plurality would still be considered disordered. There is no such thing as non disordered plurality, even if endogenic systems are real. The endo community largely spreads misinformation by saying non disordered plurality is real. The brain does not just make alters, headmates, whatever just to make them. There has to be a reason, and if endogenic systems are real, then that reason is they're neurodivergent. Which is disordered. There's no such thing as "non disordered autism" and the same applies to systems. So the pro endo community lack of scientific proof and linking non medical articles is enough proof they're probably not real. Endos also are taking over the plural community, when its focus should be on DID/OSDD because its a real disorder with a century of misinformation to debunk and lots of stigma, the people who have it suffered immense trauma as children and have struggles in their daily lives singlets won't understand. Instead of making a strong tight knit community for DID/OSDD systems, literal childhood trauma survivors, endos and their supporters have made the whole plural community a place of instability, fights and side taking. They've made it into everything a safe place for neurodivergence shouldn't be, especially for a posttraumatic and highly stigmatized disorder. The community that should be helping DID/OSDD systems and ending stigma, ending stereotypes, spreading facts is damaging the DID/OSDD community, and if singlets think it exists. We have no proof endos are real, but they've came and invaded our community and ruined it. Now endos want to invade other spaces not even related to plurality- autism spaces, fandom spaces and lgbt spaces. They also steal DID/OSDD terms and other cultural religious terms and even invade religious spaces or beliefs with their "everything is plural! god is a system!" tricks. Sure, the anti endos who choose endos to bully and bait are toxic, but most endos we've seen are just as toxic, just not by blatant harassment. Endos are for appropriation, invasion and "pluralizing" everything. They also damage the DID/OSDD community in ways I'll have to write a guide or ted talk on. I may be neutral as far as if i think endos are real, but I'm definitely anti endo in the sense that i am against the endo community for their spread of misinformation and damage to the DID/OSDD community.

[haunted-house-sys]

Hey, can we normalize traumagenic systems that don't know the "correct terms" or the terms that aren't "endo terms"

Like sorry we aren't chronically on Tumblr.com????? Sorry we don't know proper terms and only go off of what terms feel right and are less of a mouth full/easier to pronounce.

Not all of us are "educated" in syscourse and know what is "proper" and what isn't.

Can we normalize not telling people what is right and what is wrong?

Not everyone will remember/know what a philantroemotion is... (Emotional regulator??? I think??? Idk i kinda just made that up—)

Like??? Can we stop assuming a system is endo just because they use terms and titles that make sense to them.

Not all of us are free of the 'tism guys... /pf

PLEASE WHAT ARE THESE ROLES AND TERMS AND TITLES!? WHAT IS THAT?!‽

Hello?!?!?

i AM SO LOST!!!????

[hope-on-claws]

Just did a thing last night, felt like sharing my experience with delusional ableists that resulted in me hiding for 8 or so months

[the-abandoned-director]

btw ily (/appreciate) antiendos.

btw you're cool antiendos.

by the way you're cared for antiendos.

Jus a quick reminder for all of y'all < 3 /appreciate y'all

[sophieinwonderland]

Anti-Endos Don't Deserve a Safe Space!

Alright, if you saw this it in the tags, you can guess what I'm responding to.

Anti-endos and neutrals need to learn that anti-endos are just bigots and bullies looking for an outgroup to dehumanize and send hate to. They don't care about science. They don't care if anything they say is true. They only care about hurting people for being different!

Since when is Tibetan Buddhism a closed culture? Let alone a "VERY" closed culture?

In reality, Tibetan Buddhism is an open religion and a proselytizing on that encourages people around the globe to join! And the Dalai Lama, the highest spiritual authority in Tibetan Buddhism, has even encouraged Christians and the West to use Tibetan Buddhist meditations.

“Many Christians tell me they believe in Buddhist meditation, which can be learned by Christians. We teach right attitude. We teach meditation, which can be quite deep. These would be things that the West can take, and I think it is clear that Buddhists should practice certain Western methods, too.”

These are the words of the religions' highest authority figure!

Stop trying to declare the Tibetan Buddhist religion closed just so you can use them as a talking point to spread hate!!!

Since this is invading inclusive and pro-endo tags, as always, my response is going into anti-endo tags. If anyone takes issue with this, please hold your own community accountable for invading our spaces and take it up with @the-helside-sys.

I don't believe anti-endos deserve a safe space to spread hate but I'm willing to allot them one so long as they aren't breaching into inclusive and pro-endo spaces and aren't tagging hate posts like this:

But I'm actually not done yet!

I want to respond to another one of their posts!

First, this isn't true. A scientific theory has to be testable, and has to be tested and supported by evidence. But it's not necessarily "generally accepted as truth."

And with soft sciences, what constitutes a theory can be a bit questionable. See many of Freud's psychoanalytical theories.

This isn't really relevant. It's just an important point I want to bring up for people putting too much stock into psychological theories as if they're accepted facts.

Structural dissociation is meant to cover a very specific form of multiplicity.

Endogenic systems aren't ignoring the theory of structural dissociation because the theory of structural dissociation does NOT support anti-endo claims.

The author of the theory have stated that it may be possible for self-conscious dissociative parts of the personality to exist through other means, citing hypnosis and mediumship as examples:

The theory of structural dissociation's own creators are, at worst, neutral on endogenic systems acknowledging that trauma may not be the only way for self-conscious "dissociative parts" to form.

And you will not find a single paper saying the only way to be plural is through trauma. It doesn't exist!

Anti-endo views are not backed or supported by science or experts in any way!

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Now, back to the title... Like I said... anti-endos don't deserve a safe space. But this isn't about what anyone deserves to me. It's about escalation.

I'm willing to let anti-endos keep to their bigotry in their own spaces for the time being so long as they behave and keep it there.

But continuing to post hate in our tags is unacceptable. Currently, I avoid posting in anti-endo tags to keep the peace except for posts like this. And even in posts like this, I don't post in DID or OSDD tags out of respect even when discussing those topics.

But it's certainly something I could do. Were anti-endos to continue to erode boundaries between spaces and encourage their followers to invade inclusive and pro-endo tags, I would have no problem appropriately tagging my posts that are about DID with "#DID" and similar tags. It wouldn't be against the rules of the site because my posts are about the topic I tag it with. And why maintain a boundary if it's only going to be respected by one side?

So to people who feel it's important to maintain separation between communities... I'd highly advise you do better at policing your own community's crosstagging so that we can all maintain our safe spaces, whether you feel we deserve to or not. Thank you! 😊

(This applies to both the explicitly endogenic and pro endo tags, as well as the plural and plurality tags given that "plural" was a term coined by non-disordered systems and is inherently inclusive.)

[tales-from-systok]

People have been trying to convince us that Tupluamancy ISNT a closed practice 😭

Like, no, hun, it is. And there's plenty of proof of it, including people of that culture saying it's cultural appropriation, making it racist AND abelist 💀

Oh lord not the "tulpagenics" again..

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