#NOT an anti-post but for some reason people think it is??
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Disclaimer: I assume we're talking about shit like, idk, locker rooms. I don't even know where else people are "nude in public." Beaches? What are we calling nudity? So if this is a dogwhistle I'm not recognizing, please let me know.
There are a lot of excellent points in the notes. As well as a lot of people sharing about being treated like their existence harms the people who can see them.
But I think @a-mx-writer is kinda nailing it here.
Here's how I would explain the connection between that and fascism.
TL;DR: The idea that we have to protect [vulnerable group] by eliminating [unwanted people] has been used as a tool of oppression over and over and over and over again.
It has never protected anyone. It has never been shown to help anybody.
The only reason anyone ever thinks, "Some people might be harmed by seeing you be like that!" is that they've unwittingly internalized this trope.
Just off the top of my head: Eliminate being trans in public, to protect women and/or abuse survivors. Eliminate being a woman in public, to protect women. Eliminate being a Black woman in public, to protect white women. Eliminate being a Black teen in public, to protect white girls. Eliminate being an undocumented immigrant in public, to protect white girls and white women.
There's quite a pattern, isn't there.
Fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.
A democracy is about "we the people" being the government. We each have the right to vote for our representatives, to run for office, to talk to our representatives, to vote for what they do with our tax money and how they run everything.
How is this relevant here? A democracy inherently assumes its citizens have a right to exist. In public.
You can't participate in the system if you aren't allowed to exist in public. You can't vote, or run for office, or work a government job, without at some point existing in public.
(Even if you have a mail-in ballot, you probably need to take it to a drop box or your own mailbox or something.)
Fascism is the opposite.
Extreme nationalism: Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.
Fascism explicitly treats the visible existence of other groups of people as dissent.
Fascism crushes dissent.
That extends to fascist leaders, too:
Cult of personality: Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired.... To maintain this powerful image, Mussolini prohibited journalists from reporting on his age or health issues.
Even Mussolini couldn't be old, ill, or disabled in public without losing power.
And here's the biggest connection:
Popular mobilization: Although both authoritarian and fascist governments are anti-democratic, leave little room for dissent, and strive to centralize power, the two types of regimes are not the same. Authoritarian governments want their populations to remain passive and demobilized. On the other hand, fascist regimes seek to energize public participation in society through government-organized channels.
Authoritarians are hoping people won't push back against their policies.
Fascists are encouraging people to carry out their policies at the individual level.
That's where we loop back around to the original post.
The idea that it harms other people to see how you look, or what you're doing, is like... the worst boundaries ever??
People can have all kinds of triggers. It's impossible to guess what might trigger someone else. Someone could be deeply triggered by seeing the same kind of car their abuser used to drive, or the same sweater their abuser used to wear.
Or they might not be triggered by anything of the sort. And instead get utterly T-boned one day by the sight of some kind of condiment or gesture they've seen a million times before. Because it just happened to bring up some big emotion/memory that was ready to come up that time.
NOBODY can control that stuff.
As the saying goes: Anybody who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.
In this case, they're trying to sell you on letting them control your body. Or on helping them control other people.
What you do. How you dress. Who you date. What body parts you have. Where you have them. What color they are. What size they are.
The idea that we have to protect [vulnerable group] via laws eliminating [unwanted people] is a tool of oppression.
The idea that we should each be individually eliminating unwanted people - whether that's from view, from public life, or from existence - is a tool of fascism.
the people who go "we shouldn't be so open about nudity because it could trigger someone's dysphoria" are like two steps max removed from "fat people being fat in public could trigger someone with an ed". like peoples' bodies are not the problem here, trying to restrict someone else's body because of how you personally feel is indistinguishable from conservative praxis. i'm sorry if that sounds harsh but there is basically no interpretation of "we need to control the bodies of [demographic]" that does not fall down the slippery slope of fascism.
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I am not gonna pretend. I wasn't a petty unhinged asshole perfect victim who did nothing wrong, cuz I lashed out and I was scary and uncomfortable to be around as I was facing salem's ex and their friends constantly harassing and bullying me sending me crazy transphobic things, feeding mine and salem's stalkers private informations they are in no right to share, denying ever doing it amd constantly playing the victim like it's a normal thing to just release to the public someone's disability earnings and to disclose exactly how he uses it, there has been so many instances of just breeches of privacy, genuine obsession and gaslighting and I did lash out at the person doing all of this a lot.
The fact they demand a public apology from me and salem after being a sex pest, obsessing and publicizing and speculating about our Sex life in the most intrusive and inappropriate ways, hanging out and being okay with people who are extremely fucking transphobic towards me, and straight up just called me a breeder TIM who will never be a woman, nothing else than salem's fetish? Really? You're gonna complain I was an asshole to you? When all you do is not only reblog, and add context and clarify and add details to my stalkers and help them stalk me easier, you also deny doing that and say you're just sharing your experience and how dare I even insinuate you're stalking us. Let go of salem. He is not coming back to you. Stop being in fucking denial and stop trying to get us to break up. You act like your page which is filled with fucking crazy lies and smears and exaggerations among some things that are true that I did that were genuinely awful, nasty responses to being stalked, you act like it isn't used in like 15 callouts where you put selfies of me next to porn salem made, acting like you aren't the direct reason why he was ran offline for nearly half a decade now. Youre always saying "I didn't mean to, it wasn't me, I only put your faces, fetishes, steamID, earnings, ethnicity, gender, exact days you were born, if I had phone number I would put it in there too, every single friend I have that's not involved in any of this, and also random bad faith reading of a post in a way that makes you a pedophile and zoophile, but im allowed to talk about my experiences"
You're full of shit! You spun me into a devious crypto nazi because i shared a story how i was abused by my dad who was very reactionary and basically a nazi, insinuated i only transitioned to escape this so i socially am not seen as a nazi, you hang out with people who call me an ARYAN FUCKINH PERSON or simply just "white european". IM POLISH, MY GREAT GRANMA WAS A SLAVE FOR NAZI FARMERS, MY GRANDMA LIVED THROUGH THE WAR TOO, DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MY FAMILY HAD TAKEN AWAY FROM AND SUFFERED BECAUSE WE WERE NOT TREATED AS WHITE ENOUGH. Of course you dont, why would you. You're a dumb fucking american who knows nothing about the world, thinking the fact ur partially Mexican absolves you from ever educating yourself. Get a grip.
All that while spewing straight up hitler level anti sex purity culture narratives and demanding we both act to your morals. Nevermind that ive seen drawings you made that are embarassing and fantasized about everything you called me out for, and everything you called your ex you did to her and fantasized about it. You can deny it say i have no proof but ask me this. Do you really want me to? Do you really want me to post porn you made that's embarassing the same way you did to both me and salem? Or are you doing this just to avoid responsibility of having to justify or saying sorry for things you did.
You're not getting an apology from me, go fuck yourself and as for what i want from you, i want every moment of your life to be filled with grief and guilt that you are capable of doing this to someone and that youre not a perfect victim. It's the least you deserve, and I dont care what yoy do as long as i dont have to deal with my boyfriend's ex discussing how my boyfriend secretely doesnt love me and how we like to have sex and this and that ITS NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS YOU CREEP
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Anon's explanation:
I’m curious because I see a lot of people claiming to be anti-AI, and in the same post advocating for the use of Glaze and Artshield, which use DiffusionBee and Stable Diffusion, respectively. Glaze creates a noise filter using DiffusionBee; Artshield runs your image through Stable Diffusion and edits it so that it reads as AI-generated. You don’t have to take my work for it. Search for DiffusionBee and Glaze yourself if you have doubts. I’m also curious about machine translation, since Google Translate is trained on the same kinds of data as ChatGPT (social media, etc) and translation work is also skilled creative labor, but people seem to have no qualms about using it. The same goes for text to speech—a lot of the voices people use for it were trained on professional audiobook narration, and voice acting/narration is also skilled creative labor. Basically, I’m curious because people seem to regard these types of gen AI differently than text gen and image gen. Is it because they don’t know? Is it because they don’t think the work it replaces is creative? Is it because of accessibility? (and, if so, why are other types of gen AI not also regarded as accessibility? And even then, it wouldn’t explain the use of Glaze/Artshield)
Additional comments from anon:
I did some digging by infiltrating (lurking in) pro-AI spaces to see how much damage Glaze and other such programs were doing. Unfortunately, it turns out none of those programs deter people from using the ‘protected’ art. In fact, because of how AI training works, they may actually result in better output? Something about adversarial training. It was super disappointing. Nobody in those spaces considers them even a mild deterrent anywhere I looked. Hopefully people can shed some light on the contradictions for me. Even just knowing how widespread their use is would be informative. (I’m not asking about environmental impact as a factor because I read the study everybody cited, and it wasn’t even anti-AI? It was about figuring out the best time of day to train a model to balance solar power vs water use and consumption. And the way they estimated the impact of AI was super weird? They just went with 2020’s data center growth rate as the ‘normal’ growth rate and then any ‘extra’ growth was considered AI. Maybe that’s why it didn’t pass peer review... But since people are still quoting it, that’s another reason for me to wonder why they would use Glaze and Artshield and everything. That’s why running them locally has such heavy GPU requirements and why it takes so long to process an image if you don’t meet the requirements. It’s the same electricity/water cost as generating any other AI image.)
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Now that some people have been discussing some stuff about HB again… I think I understand another reason why the criticism people make about the hellaverse and Viv as a creator bothers me in a different way than the criticism made for another shows, that I didn’t mentioned in a post I made a while ago…
One day I watched a criticism video about the last episode of the indie series “Murder Drones” (if you haven’t watched it go for it, it’s fun!) and the way the critic framed the criticism was very different.
For example, people in the hellaverse critical community will often say things like: “Viv doesn’t make her female characters compelling or developed enough, and that means she is probably mysoginistic or has a yaoi preference or a fetish”.
Contrary to that, this critic said this about about a character of Liam Vickens: “Uzi relationship with her father it’s rushed off, and Uzi’s father doesn’t do anything at the end and never redeems of what he did to her at the start. He is kinda ignored in the final battle and that was lame.” Which is a normal criticism imo.
However, imagine that he would have said: “probably Liam Vickens has daddy issues, and he projected those issues into Uzi’s father, therefore this is probably why he was framed as dumb and coward from the beginning to the end.”.
Like… do you see the difference here??? I really hope you see the difference, because in that way you would be close to understand why we struggle with the criticism.
It makes me a little but uncomfortable that sometimes people project things like that onto Viv when they don’t agree with her work. Like, I get that this could be because of how she sometimes calls out antis, and defends some of her characters like Stolas but like… you are looking worse in my eyes by doing these comments.
The critical community has normalized this at an extent that I find weird… no matter how flawed and wrong Viv can be seen sometimes, and how she openly talks about things like this. Like sex and fetishes… Is weird the way people project a lot as if they knew her irl.
What I am saying is that it’s different saying this: “I really question why Viv is so resistant to give her female characters in helluva boss development or spotlight, I think it’s a flaw of her work”. I would be completely fine with this criticism. Even agree at some extent (though I personally think the female leads are fine and just need more development and screentime)
That she puts more attention to male leads can have a lot of other reasons. Some female authors have admitted struggling to write women, and this might be because of our complicated feelings of being a woman in a patriarchal society. But… god forbid give the woman a benefit of the doubt in something.
This is what we mean when we talk about bad faith criticisms or comments… People act as if Viv purpose was to make a bad show, and not to care about it. Or like she is so incompetent that she shouldn’t even try… and I find that discouraging, because if even with its failures these shows have gotten so loved and popular by a portion of the fans… this means they are kinda covering a niche that wasn’t being filled.
Maybe the reason why people like HB it’s because Blitzø it’s not the typical protagonist asshole some people wish he was. Maybe because Stolas it’s not the typical love interest. Maybe because it reuses a lot of tropes but in an unexpected and weird way.
Like, if Blitzø was another shitty father like Dr Venture, I wouldn’t be as invested in this series. This combination of silly humour and drama it’s great. It could be done better but it’s great for some of us and is also not nice when you talk about us as if you understood our appreciation.
For me at least, It’s completely fine that people make blogs about their frustration of some not being how they expected originally if they didn’t do this stuff. I just wished that the criticism sometimes wouldn’t get as personal for her and for the fans of this show.
Sometimes we make analysis of certain scenes and moments, how that we claim to understand some of the characters deeply because we really feel we can understand them! But, we are being told that we are able to enjoy it because we project headcanons and fill the gaps of bad writing.
While this happens sometimes, like how we fill the gaps of how the non-shown Full Moons go that are basically all, it’s not only because of that that we like it. We also appreciate a lot of things directly shown in the series and we talk directly about them scene by scene and frame by frame.
At the end… this post is like a reflection or opinion about why I think talking about the shows in this particular way it’s something that creates a bad climate for it, and that the reason why there is so much friction in the community it’s the way the criticism is phrased for us (the fans) and the creators.
#vivziepop helluva boss#fandom critical#helluva boss#stolitz#murder drones#personal#personal rant#fandom criticism#vivienne medrano
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do you know what i think?
i feel like all these people who hate lando are the same people who said that they would break the generational trauma cycle but think it doesn’t count on the internet because they still need some sort of outlet for that trauma.
like, they hate him for being sensitive and wearing his heart on his sleeve, because maybe someone in their life made them feel bad about being sensitive or made them feel like wearing your heart on your sleeve is a bad thing to do. they were called weak for doing that. so now they’re calling lando weak.
they hate him for having an ego, even though he’s not got as much ego as other drivers. maybe because they were taught that doing anything for yourself is selfish and shows that you’re egotistical. so him winning and him wanting to win makes him selfish and egotistical.
they hold him accountable for things he said six years ago. like they get held accountable for saying things they don’t even remember anymore, and they’ve suppressed everything that someone else said because they can’t hold them accountable.
they hate him because he hasn’t suffered enough for not being confident or whatever, that he had supportive parents, and more importantly, rich parents. because it’s drilled into their heads that only suffering = mental health problems. a rich, white guy in a rich sport is not suffering, he’s living the dream life.
they hate him because lando blames himself instead of the team or the car, except they hear him blaming the team or the car. just like when they were blaming themselves but someone else changed it completely and twisted their words to take it that they’re blaming someone else.
they hate him for having a life and travelling while also being good on track. because they were told that to focus on something, you have to let go of everything else, and now they’ve achieved that dream but they’re still alone.
they hate him for having emotions, because they were taught that emotion makes you weak and vulnerable and should never be seen by other people. how dare he have the privilege to be open about his emotions and they don’t?
they hate him for wanting to be the best, because they wanted to be the best too but someone compared them to someone else and made them feel like shit, so now they’re comparing him to someone else.
they hate him for wanting to earn every win, because it reminds them of how much blood sweat and tears they gave for their dreams and wished that a little luck would’ve helped them out instead of someone else.
they hate him for not being ruthless, because again, they were taught that being ruthless will help you achieve anything and everything, and they can’t fathom the idea that someone gentle was on his way to achieving his dreams.
they hate him for opening up about his life because they think he wants sympathy. no one gave them sympathy, or even empathy when they were growing up, so why should he get any?
idk if a lot of this made sense or not. it’s my post exam brain. but, some of the reasons that antis use to hate on lando could just be linked to trauma… of course there are people who are plain bullies too and like to hurt someone else to make themselves feel better. but idk… have fun reading this, i guess?
you are so right. a lot of them have unprocessed trauma, and it's so palpable in the way they treat lando. they can externalise all the feelings they've repressed unto him because they know they're never going to face the consequences for it.
and frankly speaking? most of them will never break their generational cycle of misfortune. if they can't comprehend how their actions and words affect another living human being despite there being a disconnect (in one way or another), then they don't have the maturity nor the emotional intelligence to not pass that on to their children. it's why i always say "we're in big 2025 and still making fun of people for their mental struggles?" because we're in times too progressive to be doing this. it's sad, it's pathetic, and atp too many fans crave validation from the majority that they'd rather have moral failings than just accept being the few who are disliked for being right and speaking truth.
people cannot compute the fact that their trauma or past experiences isn't an excuse to treat people the way they do, and as they grow up they'll realise that they definitely will not got scot free like they would online after battering lando to hell and back, and that life is beyond a phone screen.
a lot of them also can't understand how lando trangresses everything that's expected of a high performance athlete. men will come at him for being mentally weak and "feminine" or not "masculine enough" because they've got this warped perception of success as a man. it's why male fans would, so weirdly, be like 'yeahhh the abuse max got wasn't good BUT it made him the driver he is today so it's not all bad'.
they're never gonna break their trauma because they haven't realised how to live without it. they haven't realised that you don't have to abide by a certain criteria to do well, so they'll take it out on lando and continue to tell him he's not good enough and how he 'needs a mentor to fix his mentality'.
drivers are not robots, they're people with feelings and emotions just as much as we have them. i'm not gonna sit here and tell someone to shut up about their struggles when being open about it is not only a way to educate people and say 'hey, even us athletes, at the pinnacle of our sport, struggle too', but also to supplement that with encouragement and say 'so you can be open about your challenges, it's not a bad thing'.
lando is the most emotionally mature and intelligent driver on that grid. no fan can convince otherwise, and he will be remembered in 100 years for what he's done. being hated for being human is quite memorable no?
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How it started *Under the Mountain*:
Feyre: “So that’s the love of my life.”
Rhys: “Really? Tamlin? That guy?”
Feyre: “Yeah. Thoughts?”
Rhys: “And prayers. Girl what-”
Where it went *Early ACOWAR*:
Feyre: “So this is my mate.”
Lucien: “Really? Your mate is that guy?? Rhysand???”
Feyre: “Yeah. Thoughts?”
Lucien: “And Prayers. Girl what-”
#incorrect quotes#incorrect acotar quotes#acotar#acowar#feyre acotar#feyre cursebreaker#tamlin#rhys acotar#rhysand#feysand#lucien vanserra#Lucien must be so tired by that point I can’t even#is it any surprise Rhys throws shade with his powers?#Lucien’s reaction showing up in the Night Court will never not be funny to me#yup this is how it happened#this is how that scene went right?#NOT an anti-post but for some reason people think it is??#nothing but love here for all guys#this is a joke#I do not do ship wars here#please no negativity#if you’re going to reblog with tags keep them positive
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so uhhh happy valentine's day i suppose !!
shoves this in your face and runs away
so. uh. yyyyyeah. when i said i liked all interpretations of their dynamic equally i uh. i lied. and to be totally and completely and 100% honest with you it speaks volumes to the state of the internet that i have been legitimately afraid to say that like i've genuinely been debating and turning it over in my head and arguing with myself about it for days because i don't want people frickin' YELLING at me and telling me to off myself because i like a dadgum fictional ship but it's valentine's and my friend has been hyping up the crap outta me so i'm past the point of having a reasonable excuse to chicken out (and i know myself and if i don't do it today then i likely won't do it at all)
anyway words actually cannot express how obsessed i am with post-o66 aus in which they stay together (largely because i so completely refuse to believe they'd be willing to split up after THAT, ESPECIALLY that soon) so yeah shoutout to the softest fluffiest gut-punch-iest pair in the galaxy to whom everything bad has happened but who stay silly despite the horrors
#star wars#clone wars#star wars the clone wars#rexsoka#ahsoka tano#captain rex#clone wars ahsoka#clone wars rex#my art#crying screaming throwing up etc.#LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN WATCHING THE SIEGE OF MANDALORE FOR THE FIRST TIME CHANGES A PERSON OKAY I AM A SIMPLE GIRL#uploading both versions cause y'all seem to really like the simple gradient coloring apparently#i am such a sucker for these two it's actually kind of pathetic haha! i've been into them for years now ever since i first watched s7#but i am only recently devolving into like. neuvia levels of unhealthily obsessed. ouegh.#i'd just like for them to have the freedom to sit in a grassy field with a nice breeze and just Exist for a little while#iiiii've actually been working on an extensive post-o66 au of my own and i reaaaaaaaaaally wanna draw some stuff related to it. hehehe#if you don't like the ship that's totally fine but please just be nice about it or don't say anything at all#i do not have the energy to deal with people screaming at me and it's also just kind of insanely offensive so#i am so scared to put this up actually whoaa haha#also unrelated but looking at the cover for the ahsoka novel... how did y'all arrive at the conclusion that her shirt is blue#that. that looks brown to me. i am relatively sure that is brown#ALTERNATIVELY COME TO THINK OF IT IF THAT IS BLUE THEN HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY MORE 501ST COLORS I LIKE IT#i drew this like two weeks ago but wanted to save it for today so i could finally get out of this rut of being too nervous to say anything#ughhh.#do y'all even still like them here...? seems like a lot of the rxsk-centric blogs just disappeared in recent years for some reason#hope it wasn't antis but it would not surprise me in the slightest#PUT THIS IN THE QUEUE AND GO TO BED YOU COWARD (<- talking to myself)
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I think one of my most hated tropes is the boss babe/pathetic man trope that social media seems to be married to. Especially when the guy is constantly called a malewife.
I can’t fully explain it, but it does the opposite of what people think it does. At least for me. It’s suppose to be empowering and it just sounds patronizing. Especially when the guy is extraordinary in his own right.
Why are y’all so afraid of power couples??
#everytime I see a relationship described this way#it makes me lowkey hate the relationship#a clois post inspired this#but I also see it with other ships#and that is part of the reason I don’t like these ships#I’ll tag them as anti#anti percabeth#anti dickbabs#it’s even making me anti superbat#there are other I can’t think of right now#but I’m realizing fans of some of my favorite ships don’t do this shit#at least not to the same extent#shipping#anti malewife#if both people in the relationship aren’t treated with equal respect I DONT WANT IT#anti girlboss
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next person who perpetuates the completely fabricated anti-adjacent fandom myth that "the writers" shot down queer dean and deancas interpretations of the text and "told us we were delusional" for seeing any of it is getting blasted directly into the boötes void
#hi yes it is 2024 and people are still doing this shit#i think i've been making some version of this post for over a decade at this point#and still nobody has shown me evidence of any of the 50+ credited writers of spn saying anything remotely similar to this#plenty of evidence of multiple writers talking positively on twitter/in podcast interviews/etc#not to mention the literal fucking text of the show that they wrote (and even more in the scripts)#but no let's all play fandom telephone and amplify baseless anti talking points as if they're facts for no fucking reason#wank adjacent#fandom problems#fandom: supernatural
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k2 is such a funny ship to me, like it's just plausible enough to be kinda sorta realistic if you squint and pray and look at it sideways, not quite a crackship but not able to get off the ground as more than a particularly popular rarepair either. they had, like, one big episode together back in season 3, a handful of major moments over the years that people hold onto with an iron grip, and basically nothing else outside of a plethora of fantastic fancontent and dreams.
i think i like it for the exact opposite reasons that i like kyman, actually, they sorta stand as complementary ships in my mind. where k2 barely has any actual basis in canon & comes heavily from fanworks and speculation about how well the characters would match each other, kyman is practically canonical, at least when it comes to cartman's feelings, and is at least regularly joked about and referenced in-show. personally, i also tend to see k2 as a ship that is kinda miraculously requited, whereas kyman is usually stuck in unrequited hell, which...
...well, this gets into more specific character analysis, but a big part of this is that i tend to see cartman as having very fucked up views of both romance & sexuality that have especially interesting implications when you consider him to have a crush on kyle, specifically.
on the one hand, i think his cupid self is evidence enough that he has a very fairytale, idealized view of romance, based more out of the hollywood movie image of what love is supposed to be rather than anything in reality. south park adults being utter fucking idiots 99% of the time means that most, if not all, of the kids don't have a lot of good role models to base their actions off of. i'm not gonna talk out of my ass about childhood development more than i understand it, but i don't think it's too controversial (?) of a take to claim that kids understand & learn about the world through watching it just as much as interacting with it, particularly when it comes to their own parents.
cartman is a piece of shit, and while a lot of that comes from him and his own bigotry, he's still ultimately a kid in show and you can trace where some of his worst traits originate from in the people around him, even if he makes the personal decision to push it as much as humanly possible. i think the trend in recent seasons for many adults to try and at least appear more pc only makes this more obvious, actually (coughcoughrandy), though talking about that is maybe biting off a little more south park politics than i'm willing to chew for this particular post.
point is, cartman as a character in particular does not have a lot, if anything, to base his idea of what a healthy, happy romantic relationship looks like, which isn't only because liane is single though that may be a major contributing factor. love isn't work to cartman, it isn't about the maintenance of a relationship or communication or all the more realistic and slightly less pleasant parts of loving someone that hollywood doesn't find dramatic or interesting enough to show. rather it's a fantasy, something that happens to people that they have no real control over. i wouldn't be surprised if he believes in soulmates or love at first sight, even if the likelihood of him admitting that out loud isn't especially high.
on the other hand, i think his view of sexuality is greatly influenced by not just liane's sex work, but the way she is slut-shamed and treated like garbage by the rest of the town for it. i tend to view cartman as having a very transactional, cynical view of sex and sexuality, where sex is only used for personal gain (whether that be money or power, likely at the expense of someone else/the submissive party), and sexuality is an inherent character flaw, a weakness that must be overcome unless you are able to twist it and use it for your own (material?) benefit- see the streaming wars & cartman wanting his mom to seduce a rich man for money as a recent example of this.
it's a running gag in TFBW that cartman uses douchebag catching their dad fucking their mom as a tragic backstory, and doesn't seem to understand how reproduction actually works even when kyle basically says it straight to his fucking face. even as a joke, there's still a lot of underlying truth behind why he would believe this. cartman is aware of his mom's sex work, even if he may not want to fully admit/believe it, largely because of situations where he's specifically getting shit for it. he knows he has a father, and that he is (in)directly responsible for said father's horrible death & consumption, but he only really cares about that insofar as it means he's half ginger. sex has only ever been presented through its most vicious power dynamics to him- why would he see it as a good thing, as something that could ever be loving, especially when contrasted against such an idealized, purified view of romance?
(you could also extrapolate from this how cartman associates sexuality & romance with femininity & his brand of sexism to get some particularly delectable transfem cartman ideas, but i digress.)
ANYWAYS. this is all to say that cartman having a crush on kyle (or anyone, really, but kyle is obviously the most emotionally volatile example) instantly pits those two conflicting views against one another, like he wants something that he doesn't even think could ever exist: a happy, healthy romantic relationship, where sex is just a normal thing that they can choose to do or not. this is where a lot of kyman angst comes from for me, with cartman either trying to stuff that round desire back into the square hole of how he views the world, or having his ideals fall ever further apart when the feelings are unrequited. and, on top of that, none of this being actually said out loud because communication is impossible.
this is why i always see kyman as making each other worse, especially if they actually manage to make it into a romantic relationship. i simply Do Not see kyle being a patient enough person to help cartman work through the intricacies of all of his expectations and idealized fantasies and internalized fears surrounding such mutually screwed views of romance & sexuality- on the rare occasions that kyle does show some interest in romantic relationships it's usually pretty centered around himself, and to be frank i only see his interest in romance going down as he gets older.
i've heard some people talk about kyle before like he's the "moral compass" of south park or whatever and while that may be true by the end of the episode, one of the things i like most about him is the fact that he struggles so much to get to the best conclusions. this is kind of getting back into the k2 side of this analysis, but where kenny manages a much more effortless selflessness, even pushing it to the point of being both a strength and a flaw when kenny stops caring about himself for the sake of others, kyle is a lot more self-centered than he cares to admit and it influences a lot of his attempts at being a good person.
this is both my favorite aspect of kyle, that he really has to put in the work to be the good person that he wants to be, and also the primary bad trait that i think cartman brings out of kyle. by being such a notoriously horrible shithead, he gives kyle the perfect target to unleash his annoyance on, getting him so caught up in arguing and proving himself to be the better person that kyle forgets to actually listen to the people that he's supposed to be standing up for. cartman is a fantastic troll and, at least in show, kyle definitely has not learned to stop feeding him argument fodder yet.
sidenote: about kyman entering a romantic relationship... wasn't sure where to add this, but it's for this exact reason that i also see kyman (or this version of kyman where cartman gets worse with age, rather than better) only actually happening in the universes where kyle has lost all other meaningful connections, to the point that feeding a troll to get off on an argument is the best possible option, even if he's old enough to know better. especially if he's old enough to know better.
again, k2 is the opposite of this for me in that i see kyle & kenny as having a lot of potential to bring out the best in each other.
if kyle's worst trait is that he gets too caught up in his own feelings & desires to truly be the good, selfless, thoughtful person that he wants to be to actually do genuine good for the sake of others, kenny's problem is that he skews too far in the opposite direction. i kinda already said this, but to state it outright: kenny's biggest strength and his biggest flaw are the exact same, that he is selfless to a fault, to the point of consistently putting other people's safety and happiness above his own when he thinks it would be of help the majority/the people he loves. this was the key kenny trait that was established by the end of BL&U, and it has only gotten more prominent in the years since with his mysterion persona.
it is in this way that kenny both stands as someone that kyle can look up to & admire for how effortlessly he dedicates himself to the people he cares about the most, but also, simultaneously, as someone that kyle can take care of himself and offer the same help back to. and i don't even think kenny needs to say very much out loud to push kyle towards a lot of these conclusions, he kinda just has to exist and be noticed and kyle has the intelligence to figure it out himself, to recognize the shit that kenny puts himself through and his (usually) quite noble reasons for doing so, and want to offer him the same love and care and dedication that kenny never allows himself to have.
really, the difficult part of this is being noticed at all in the first place. again, i said earlier that k2 is kinda "miraculously requited," in my mind, specifically because the aspect that's missing in the show and almost always must be provided by fan content for k2 is that spark/push forward that gets them close enough to start talking and for kyle to notice kenny in the first place. it's just lucky that's one of my favorite things to figure out and write for those two, hehehe.
#sp k2#kyman#super long post#tangerina talks#a very casual (long ass) analysis essay but i enjoyed writing this#ik some people like writing a version of cartman that grows in maturity & gets better as he gets older#and that's definitely valid#i just like writing him better when he gets worse LMFAO#this isn't pro-k2 and anti-kyman btw i genuinely really like both ships a lot#this is just my attempt to explore how i see them as opposites#and also figure out what specifically is the most appealing about either ship to me#cxtangerina#fun fact i think the actual most unhealthy relationship would be twyle but that's an argument for another essay ;w;#also no mention of style because. reasons#this shit is long enough i need to write more south park analysis but let's see how people react to this thing first
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Oh, Betsy, here we go. Just ignoring all these people I mentioned, apart from two. Acting like whatever they've done ain't a big deal. Alright.
I'll first address your rant, before addressing the video:
"it does seem like y’all are turning a blind eye to femicides though - i don’t see a lot of TERFs on here posting about reproductive rights (you know, women bleeding out in Texas parking lots) or domestic violence, unless there’s an angle to make it about trans people" - False. You just don't reply to those posts because they're not about trans people. Oh, the projecting. A bunch of shit on my blog isn't about trans people. But when you're a TERF, of course everyone will fly to you, talking about trans people. Trans/gender ideology is also one of the biggest issues right now. I can multitask.
"That’s the appeal of TERFism - you get to stick all of your problems on one group." - Yeah. Men. Aren't you a self-proclaimed feminist?
"you *define* women’s rights as by nature opposed to the rights of trans people - which is illogical and irrational. there’s a reason that studies of TERFs show that they act in very similar ways to other alt right groups" - Someone decode what the author had in mind when typing this out. And what rights are we speaking of? Are trans people missing their human rights? Spoiler: free plastic surgery is not a human right. And then you go on blabbering about the alt-right, despite radfem ideology being a leftist ideology. Lol. Lmao.
"it also feels good because you are on the same side as the well funded conservative fascists" - In what world? You do realize these "conservative fascists" literally hate women?
"you get that little feeling of power from getting to be on top for a bit - that while you may be oppressed for being a woman, you get to turn around a get that “high” from being shitty to trans women" - Can I apply this logic to TRAs? They get their little high from sending us rape threats and death threats, and harassing us. Something, something, “the most dangerous patriarchal men are those who are oppressed but who want to oppress"?
"you take as axiomatic that trans rights are *inherently* opposed to trans rights - almost starting as a religious point of faith for your little cult" - You reading over these replies before posting them? I'm guessing you wanted to say trans rights are inherently opposed to women's rights. Again, no one deserves a right to free plastic surgery, sorry! Also, look at you stealing our slogan, tsk, tsk. You evil little TERF.
"IRL - i yelled at some anti abortion fuckers this morning - what have *you* done for women’s rights today?" - Didn't starve myself or self harm in a way that would please the patriarchy. Been living naturally as a woman without the need to have surgeries or take cross-sex hormones. No shame in being a woman.
OVER TO THE VIDEO...
You linked a 2,5h long YouTube video from a bloke who also got a video on JKR and couldn't help himself but bash her like... literally 30 seconds in. I'm not even joking. I was sort of expecting you to send me one of those Innuendo Studios videos you love to distribute around. Can't have everything we want, I guess. How ironic that you have the guts to be sending me your crap, when actually we all know that if I sent that to you, your ass wouldn't watch it. Because you love ignoring points. I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and think that maybe you just overlooked them by accident, as I sometimes do, but no, it's a pattern with you.
I'm in the middle of watching, and I'll give you my response once I'm done. Hell, might even watch the entire 3 parts.
You have to be an entirely different kind of hateful to genuinely just hate trans women trying to live their lives. Every human soul on this earth is beautiful and you treating others as subhuman is genuinely horrible of you. I hope you find kindness in your heart.
Try addressing my actual views next time, because you're fighting ghosts.
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#notes from management#like complaining about the thingol hate - yeah i get it. i don't agree#(and i think he did in fact do some of the things you insist he didn't)#but i get it#but would you like to *guess* how many posts i found when i searched 'anti elwing'#before i came across one lambasting people for not liking elwing#one (1)#there's a reason i'm so sick of it
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absolutely hilarious to me that that side of the fandom think the buddie side is the delusional one because of the tim interview when the man himself CLEARLY stated that he had NEVER seen the fandom behaving this badly in all of his years working in the business and the only difference from all the other years to this one is the bt fandom, like genuinely lol.
he also stated about people coming to talk to him and using what he said when there are prints out there of their fandom doing this, like it’s not all of them obviously, just like there are parts of the buddie fandom who can be disrespectful too, but as someone who recently joined the fandom and saw the comings and goings through the years, i can safely say when a fandom is being too much on the disrespectful side and i saw that behavior way more on that side, honestly.
#buddie#anti bucktommy#tim minear#i kinda promised i wouldn’t get involved with fandom stuff#because i know how ugly can get#and i usually avoid it#but like have some common sense#no wonder some of them don’t understand what’s going in the show#when they can’t understand a simple interview too#some people just need to get a grip#didn’t like being called out?#do better and move on#this is directed to a very specific side who think they’re the poor victims#not the entire fandom just to clarify#i’m just sick and tired of buddie shippers being attacked#of doing perfectly reasonable things within the fandom#like ofc in 911 posts they talk about wanting buddie#this is called engaging#it’s very different from dming the showrunner to talk about theories#there are lines that shouldn’t be crossed#and ofc we’re going to talk about our ship getting together#it’s what we want to happen#this is normal behavior in fandom#that’s why it exists#canon is there and we take in that information and decide what we like and what we don’t#anyway i talked too much already#that was it
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#finally unfollowed one of my fave dw tumblrs and ugh#so so tired of ppl holding some weird moral superiority over cherry picking critiques of veganism#like bro im not saying there arent things to critique about it#'vegan leather' is just plastic bullshit most of the time like thats real#ofc lots of demand for it isnt from vegans but from its price point but#like#if all you ever post is these anti vegan moral superiority gotcha stuff#fuck you? lol#like if you want to reblog stuff that makes u feel good about your choice to not be vegan while ignoring all of the environmental health an#just like#general fucking compassion for other creatures#idk what to tell you#idk#im just tired#nobody is trying to force you to be vegan i promise#and you can dislike things that are bad#like plastic leather#without punching down#christ#to most reasonable vegans veganism is more a code of ethics than anything else#we care about animals not dying and being exploited sure#but its also envrionmental its also health conscious its also caring about fellow humans#like do u think the meat industry does not exploit people#do you think there is not child labour in the meat industry#god#and oughghghgh the gotcha of 'sheep HAVE to be sheared or else its bad for them' makes me DHSIEUIWJSKDHSDSGD see red#like yeah! they do! i wonder who bred them that way! sure doesnt seem good for the sheep does it??#anyways#im sick and cranky and curating my own space#if ur not vegan i literally do not care
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#by god i will post about homestuck and you people will be normal about it#how hard is it to compliment an author's work without stating that they were [insert joke here about being posessed or on drugs or etc]#because i swear to god homestuck may be confusing from the outside and an extremely impressive feat of storytelling that will genuinely#probably never be able to be replicated. lightning in a bottle#but to imply that its anything other than an artists (or as it were a collective of artists) hard work is insulting.#'ohhh its so crazyyyy its insannneee' it really isnt. you just aren't taking the time to digest it. everything has its place#everything in homestuck is reasonably explicable and if you dont get it its usually a reference to something before your time#just read around the text and think. engage with it. unpack its ahead-of-its-time queer storytelling#and tragically-of-the-era anti-blackness in equal measure. take it fucking seriously as a text#it is impressive YES. it is borderline superhuman in execution YES. but its not ohhh some multiverse scp posessed blah blah blah#can you engage with a fucking text with an OUNCE of genuineness for ONCE in your IRONY POISONED ONLINE EXISTENCE?#this is the closest youre going to get to me being a bitch on main and it is because i have a hair trigger for how FUCKING ANNOYING#the discussion around homestuck is. you can NEVER GET ANYTHING PRODUCTIVE FUCKING DONE because everyone refuses#EVEN WHEN THEY ARE FANS to enagage with this text AS. A. TEXT.#and every time i bring the damn thing up every jokester in a 5000 mile radius has to make an offhanded remark that reminds me just how deep#the disregard of this text runs. like jesus christ. rational epilogue discussers get behind me we can start a new life. together. please
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*smacks my brain with a stick* BE NICE *bonk* UR FRIENDS CARE ABOUT U *bonk* ITS OKAY IF UR A LITTLE ANNOYING *bonk* PPL WHO TRULY CARE ABT U STILL LOVE U IF UR ANNOYING *bonk* YOU HAVE HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS NOW *bonk* IF SOMETHING WAS WRONG THEY'D TELL U *bonk* NOBODY IS LEAVING U OR PULLING AWAY FROM U *bonk* U ARE JUST PARANOID BC UR A TRAUMATIZED MEOWMEOW *bonk* U ARE NOT LESS VALUABLE THAN OTHERS *bonk* U ARE WORTHY OF THE LOVE AND KINDNESS UR FRIENDS GIVE U *bonk* U DONT HAVE TO EARN LOVE *bonk* U DONT HAVE TO BE PERFECT FOR PPL TO VALUE U *bonk* U DONT HAVE TO PRETEND TO BE PERFECT AND OKAY WITH UR OWN SUFFERING *bonk* ITS NOT WEAKNESS TO LET PPL IN *bonk* THERE IS NO PIN U MUST WAIT ON TO DROP, UR FRIENDS DONT SECRETLY HATE U *bonk* U ARE VALUED AND LOVED U DUMB BITCH *bonk* U JUST NEED A SNACK AND SOME SLEEP *bonk bonk bonk* SMOKE SOME WEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#sys: zeit🧿#this is like an anti-vent#Brain is being a dick :(((((#write out the affirmations yesyesyesyesyes#why must i be like this >:((((#No zeit !!! nobody secretly hates u and u didnt unknowingly obliterate ur relationships by existing !#sometimes ppl are just tired or hungry or dont feel well and thats okay !!!!#just bc u expect urself to socially perform when ur at ur lowest doesnt mean that other ppl hate u when they dont do the same#thats just the NPD/BPD comborino talking ho#not that I expect others to socially perform when theyre not doing well ofc#my brain just takes anything and everything and runs out of control with it like a dog with a crack-covered steak#this is why i do Substances™#actually bpd#bpd#bpd things#npd safe#actually npd#whaaaaat zeit acknowledging her own npd symptoms ?????? damn didn't know that could happen LMAO#slowly coming to terms with the fact that I have NPD as much as anyone else in the system#just less symptomatic than say like Onyx or Jay or Moses but ITS THE SAME BRAIN duh#ALSO 4 other ppl who will see this: ppl love and value u#me @ me: LET PEOPLE CARE ABOUT U ZEIT STOP QUESTIONING IT AND LET IT HAPPEN#idk im just silly and miss my friends and my brain for some reason thinks convincing me they hate me will fix that ??????#affirmations#teehee#any anti-NPD bullshit on my post will face my wrath (blocked lmao)
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