#It’s bad enough treating a real person like a fictional character to ship around and headcanon sexualities

[theamazingannie]

Gaylors on Twitter are now attacking Ronan’s mom and saying her son deserved to die and she needs to get over it so yeah. They’re awful for even more reasons now and if you are a gaylor you fucking suck

[kathrahender]

One of the things I dislike most about fandoms is the hypocrisy of their fans. And this is about ships again, yes (it's about characters too ngl).

Every anti-Bakudeku/Catradora fan says things like "How can you ship couples like these? It's so abusive! It's disgusting! Catra/Bakugo were so mean towards Adora/Izuku! Catradora/Bakudeku is so toxic and you shouldn't like it!" and then, when talking about Hiccstrid people always love them together. Even if Astrid was also a bully to Hiccup. Even if her development was null (don't say she had development, her "redemption" arc was shit and she needed more time in screen and more scenes between her and Hiccup to change from "I hate all the dragons" to "I was wrong about them". And one scene with an OST called "Romantic Flight" is not enough to make her redemption believable). Talking about development, do I really have to say that you hate Catradora/Bakudeku, but at least Catra and Bakugo apologized to Adora and Izuku? Astrid didn't say sorry to Hiccup for bullying him/hurting him. And you should be aware of that.

Bakugo and Catra didn't redeem in one day, they didn't get up one day and decided to be nicer. No, they had to work in their redemption and they also had to work in their relationship with the people they hurt (Izuku and Adora). Astrid didn't do that. All she needed to change was flying in a dragon with the person she used to hate.

Having all of that in mind, tell me, which relationship would be more healthy, logical and believable? The ones where the bully had to work hard to make amends for their mistakes, to heal their scars to make it better for the MC? The ones where the bully apologized to their victim, to the people they hurt? Or the one where all it took to change from "I hate you so much" to "I like you" was one scene, and they didn't even apologize for being a bully/being a bad person? Think about that.

And think about another thing too. A girl hurting a boy is bad. "But she-" No. "But she's not being cruel and she-" Enough. Don't fucking justify female-on-male violence. Violence is violence. If you hate Bakugo/Catra so much for hurting Izuku/Adora, then treat Astrid the same way, because she was not an angel before changing. She's not innocent. She was a bully too. And if you despise Bakugo/Catra's past actions, despise Astrid's past actions too.

Where I also saw Double Standard in media is in shows where there's a female character stalking a male character. Two examples that come to my mind right now are Hinata Hyuga from Naruto and Marinette Dupain-Cheng from Miraculous Ladybug.

The thing about them is that a lot of people love them. A lot of people love a female character stalking a male character. Dear God, Marinette learned the daily schedule of Adrien, and she even traveled to another country for him. Because she couldn't bear thinking he was in another country where she couldn't see what was he doing. That's not freaking normal, you guys. "She was a girl" "She didn't know what was she doing" "She's just in love". Excuse me- What. the. hell. Okay. So you're saying you're okay with a girl being so jealous that everytime her "crush" talks to a girl she needs to be around. You're okay with a girl entering her crush's house without permission (Do you know that's a crime, right?). You're okay with a girl having her bedroom full of photos of her crush (and I'm not talking about a fictional character from a show she likes. I'm talking about a real person. Because in Miraculous Ladybug's world, Adrien is Marinette's classmate, not a character from a show). I'm sorry, but if you think that's okay, there's something wrong with you. People can like someone and have a crush, sure, but what she has is an obsession. What she's doing is not normal. (And she can do that in the show, after all she's a character, but don't act like she's a nice person and an innocent person because she isn't. And definitely don't see her actions as a normal thing).

People, please, don't think what she's doing is "iconic" or something like that. If you're watching this show, please, don't do the same as her with your crush because is awful and disgusting. She's not "cute" for doing this. She has a problem, I'm being serious.

If she had a better love story with Adrien, like she did in the movie, I would understand the Adrinette ship because in the new movie it's just beautiful and wholesome and it's actually healthy. But when it comes to the show, the Adrinette ship can't be nothing more than toxic. So stop acting like Marinette's actions towards Adrien are okay (Yes, Adrien's actions towards Ladybug weren't okay neither, but this post is about female characters).

What Hinata Hyuga did -in comparison with Marinette- is not that bad, but even then, following her crush (Naruto Uzumaki) everytime he's with his friends/classmates is not nice. It's not cute. It's not something people should do. And the Naruhina ship honestly makes no sense. Okay, I get it. It's the type of romance we all want to have. We all want our crush to fall in love with us. We all want to have a relationship with the person we used to have a crush on. But if you want to include that trope if your story, if you want them to end up together in a show/book/movie, give them development. The ship has to feel natural.

We have to feel/see the chemitry. And I saw (and still see) no chemistry between Naruto and Hinata. Sasunaru, on the other hand, has a lot of emotional moments together and moments when they bond (their chemistry is right there). And it's not for my own preference, but they would have made a better couple. Mostly because they shared more screen time with each other. Even though Shikanaru and Gaanaru are also good options for a canon ship. Because they also had chemistry. But Naruto's love for Hinata in my opinion didn't feel natural. It was forced.

After all of this, let me say something more. You probably don't care about a girl stalking a boy in fiction. You're probably like "She's not doing anything wrong" "She's a teenager" "Stop being judgmental, she's a good character" "She's a nice person". If what they do it's okay for you, let me ask you a question. What if their gender was reversed? Yeah. Imagine if Marinette and Hinata weren't girls. Imagine if they were boys. Imagine if a boy went to another country to control the actions of another girl. Imagine if a boy entered his crush's house without permission. Imagine if a boy stalked the girl he likes to see if she's talking to another boys. Imagine if a boy had pictures of the girl he likes in his bedroom. What would you think then? Oh- You would think it's disgusting? It would be disgusting for you, right? Why? Because it's a boy?

People, have this in mind:

👏👏👏 If a boy does something bad and a girl does the same thing they both need to be treated the same way 👏👏👏

A girl hitting a boy isn't funny. It shouldn't be played for fun. As well as a boy hitting a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

A girl stalking a boy isn't funny. As well as a boy stalking a girl. Neither of them is funny. And neither of them can be justified.

That's why I ask you to stop being two-faced. If you despise someone's actions, you despise someone's actions, whether it is a boy or a girl. You want equality? Then fucking stop with the double standard.

A bad action is a bad action, no matter who makes it. Period.

[musical-chick-13]

What the hell is up with the female character discourse?

I DON'T KNOW!!!!!

The thing is. Yeah, there are some male characters who are genuinely reprehensible (or even, I would argue, not that complicated or not written with a whole lot of nuance), who do have a sizable hatedom. But I can go into any general fandom space, and I can guarantee there will be at LEAST a few people who like them and think well of them.

I do NOT have that guarantee with female characters.

I'm not going to say, "It's never been this bad!" because. It's always been bad. People have been throwing around accusations of "Mary Sue" or "1-dimensional bitch" or "Irredeemable monster" for any female character with half a flaw since before I've been alive. My first fandom experiences, even before any of us really knew what fandom was, were riddled with a vitriolic hatred of the women in the media we talked about. Genuinely sometimes it feels like there is no sin more unforgivable in fandom than liking a female character who doesn't fit into a box. (And there are, despite what people love to claim, plenty of those. Also, people love to claim depth in male characters where it isn't meant to exist, so AGAIN, don't give me the "The women just aren't well-written enough for me to care about them" excuse.)

People go out of their way to Not Be Normal about women sometimes. Or, at the very least, to not view them as worthy of caring about or paying attention to. "Girlboss (positive)" with no elaboration. "Oh, sure, I care about this character but only because she's likable and palatable and 'normal' (whatever the fuck that word actually means)." "I like her a lot!" <-will never talk about or analyze her despite doing that 5 million times for a comparable male character. Treating actresses (actual!! real life!!!! people!!!!!!!!) like shit because their characters "get in the way" of a popular ship (either a m/m one or a m/f one). Derailing every earnest conversation you try to have about a fictional construct who doesn't exist with all the uncomfortable, violent ways they personally would like to murder her, and just had to tell everyone about it. Toxic yaoi is fine and beautiful and narratively deep, but as soon as any complex or unhealthy ship with a woman is involved, we need to clutch our proverbial pearls and talk about how people are illiterate and brainpoisoned and going to ruin society. It's not even the fact that people are weird about female characters, it's the fact that it's this egregious, all the time. It is a fight to simply discuss a fictional character in peace, all. the. time. And I KNOW I'm not saying anything I haven't said before, I am just SO TIRED.

The answer to "what the hell is up with this discourse" is "misogyny," but. I think we all knew that.

[seramilla]

I’ve found a way to distinguish the asks of Clara/ Velvette without them ret-conning Clara/kiki.

In my opinion all the asks that deal with Clara/velvette take place in the past throughout velvette and Clara’s various breakups, however all of the asks with Clara/kiki take place in the present.

It’s easier so that the relationships don’t get ret-conned because Clara/Velvette’s relationship really helps Clara open her eyes to see that not all relationships are going to work and not all relationships are going to be easy work. And it also helps Clara grow as a person and realize that her feelings towards Velvette are ones of fear and resentment but she doesn’t want to let Velvette go because in Clara’s mind, Velvette is her first serious relationship so she’s afraid to let it go.

Kiki/clara’s relationship is based off of feelings of mutual respect and love for each other. There’s hardly any yelling or arguing because they work together in order to conquer the problem that is bothering them instead of fighting. It’s not Clara v.s Velvette and the rest of hell, it’s Clara and Kiki v.s what stands in their way.

Just because they’re fictional doesn’t mean we can’t add that growth and development as a character and in relationships. And toxic relationships no matter how people disagree are a huge point in development in a character’s growth in their mind and as a person. Because it affects the way they act around people and how they do things.

Speedy for rambling I wanted to get this off of my mind lmao

Bumping up this ask because it’s relevant.

No, this is all very insightful! You’re basically on the same page as me, anon. I am just kind of flying by the seat of my pants with the Clara relationship stuff. I’ve just been leaving it up to you guys to float ideas and then trying to incorporate that into a narrative. I had no idea how it would go. Kiki came out of left field and kind of put the impetus on Velvette to start to give a damn. But it’s been a fun challenge to balance out the Velvette favorable asks with the ones supporting Kiki.

You are so right about different types of relationships contributing to a character's growth, and how learning from toxic ones can lead to healthier ones down the road. I think that's the fun part about character analysis through shipping; everyone has different ideas, and you throw them together, and it plays out like a TV drama of sorts, haha! I don't think that's a bad thing, either!

I think your analysis is pretty accurate. Not every relationship in media is a healthy one, and often characters can have very complicated, complex relationships and that evolves over the course of the work. Especially by nature of these people being in Hell, it makes sense that not everything is sunshine and rainbows all the time.

This is kind of how I've mapped out the quote-unquote "canon" events around Clara in my head thus far:

Velvette is Clara's first real relationship. Velvette initially pursued her because she thought she'd be an easy route to Carmilla. She never really took the relationship seriously, treated Clara like another one of her assets, and just generally left Clara feeling confused with very off again/on again feelings. It's up for debate whether they were ever exclusive, since Velvette is also involved with Vox and Valentino to some extent.

Clara meets Kiki when Odette starts seeing Verosika. During a lull in Clara's relationship with Velvette, she and Kiki hit it off and start seeing each other. Again, not sure if they're exclusive at this point.

Velvette sees Clara with a new beau and starts making moves. She's determined to weasel her way back into Clara's life, and makes several poor, underhanded attempts, and blows up about it each time when it doesn't work.

Kiki defends Clara a lot in the beginning. As a Hellborn, she's not afraid of a Sinner, especially not Velvette. At some point, Clara gets brave enough to confront Velvette herself on her BS, and she has to do this a few times before Velvette gets the picture that it's over between them.

Velvette starts to catch real feelings. She doesn't realize what a good thing she had in Clara until it's gone. This leads to a lot of explosive, childish behavior from her. Whether or not she's willing to pursue Clara in a more genuine way, or whether it's truly over, is up for debate.

I have no real vision for what is, and isn't, endgame for these three, or if there even is one. Maybe Velvette or Kiki will reign supreme. Maybe both of them. Giving Velvette the boot? Eventual polycule? IDK! I'm just rolling with the punches!

Thanks for sharing!

[spicybylerpolls]

so i think most people who are anti foah on here (including any discussion of noah and finn at all, even their work together) are not worried about us speculating on like whether there's feelings involved - because you can be attracted to someone or acknowledge their beauty without feelings - but rather they think that discussing them at all is almost like... i dont know, gossiping? or talking behind someone's back?

like, especially portraying a romantic relationship on screen, it would be very childish to still act disgusted by a co-star just to stop people around you saying 'ooooooh'... wouldnt it? unless you are genuinely repulsed by someone, once you become an adult you typically dont act that way. you get to an age where you can straight up say 'yeah, that person is beautiful' or attractive or what not, and you can say that about friends too, without anyone thinking you are falling in love with them.

i really remember the harry potter cast doing this and it was such a joy to see them grow up and acknowledge these things rather than just blush in interviews and pretend they never had crushes on each other.

or if you genuinely are repulsed by someone, you would deal with that in a mature way. especially if you were working professionally - i mean youre doing a job, but that still involves emotion and both disgust and attraction could be part of that.

i know the duffers hammed up the kiss between finn and millie, but hopefully that was cos they were kids (i didnt love that they did that, though we will never have full context), and hopefully for byler everything would be treated with respect. that also doesnt mean you totally lose the excitement and juice - love and attraction turns people of all ages into puddles - but rather that it is also still just a scene, and treated like any other scene, in service to the story.

for example, why is it taboo for an actor to be totally into a love scene, but not totally excited and joyful doing a scene on a ferris wheel or biking down a hill? why is there shame in the natural emotive expression, even when performing? and why is there shame in us discussing or anticipating that? we are essentially being spectators of the joy of human emotion - its why people love stories. stories are designed to make us think these people are real. why are characters, intrinsically, any different to real people in terms of the way we interact with them?

is it because they cannot be touched by us and we cant hurt them?

yes. but that leads us back to the nuance of shipping two irl actors and discussing human behaviour. this blog is unlikely to reach finn or noah. we are discussing them in relation to mike and will, not paparazzi'ing them outside their homes. this isn't a tabloid. its a tumblr blog.

maybe there are some people who edit together miniscule interview moments and invent fictions between real people. but again thats very different to just picking up on human behaviour and discussing it, as two people would over dinner, when they realise their mutual friends have got a thing going on.

i also think noah being gay brings a lot of discomfort to people because there is not even that plausible deniability of he and finn just doing a job. but like, he might he enjoy it? but so might finn? if they do, why is that bad? why can't they be professional AND enjoy it? just like they would filming a scene biking down a hill?

so my point is that people who are anti foah seem to be anti any discussion of finn and noah, even re: their work. they somehow can't separate this kind of discussion about creating art and being human from the juvenile idea of harassing two actors, despite the time-honoured human enjoyment of talking about other humans.

and re: finn's sexuality, the most common poll answer is... i dont have enough info to speculate. WELL DUH. thats why its called speculation? if you had enough info, you would have a solid answer lmao! its like byler evidence all over again. thousands of pages of tiny things that could be evidence, when all you need is one solid reason why they'll have a romance, like the way they look at each other, or, i dont know, the narrative itself?

wow this has got so out of hand. im going to end here lmaoooooooo

all very fascinating points, nonny!

[eisforeidolon]

Misha’s lies are legion.

//He adopts weird fan theories to tell more lies about (Oh, yeah, one of the songs on Jensen's album is totally about Castiel! Which one? Uhh, I haven't actually heard any of them, tell me which one it is?) //

This bothers me so much. It’s one thing to BS about a show since they are fictional characters. It still makes him annoying and impacts his coworkers, but whatevr. I guess. Lying about a real person’s songs, and suggesting they are about a fictional character, and more so, a ship, is so gross and stupid. The fact that minions and hellers out there actually believe this is just … I have no words.

As a bonus, at a con, I actually asked Misha "yeah, which song?" when he joked about the song again. And he said, "no song" since he was sitting beside Jensen at the time. Didn’t stop a heller in the room from running with the joke as if it was real, of course.

Seriously.

Every time I think that I have sufficiently lowered the bar of my expectations of how crass and self-serving Misha can possibly be, he limbos right under it.

It was bad enough he baited his fans about that ship incessantly and then stood by mutely while they screamed at the writers and other fans and J2, slandering everyone as homophobes. It was bad enough when that specifically involved blatantly lying about Jensen playing into the ship. It was bad enough when he made it regular practice to make "jokes" about sexually dominating both Dean and Jensen on SM and in his panels that he clearly would not dare to do to Jensen's face. It was bad enough he kept feeding into his stans' narrative he's some poor abused victim, because he wasn't treated equally to the actual leads of the show and because he voluntarily participated in horsing around with Jared that he "jokes" was like sexual assault or being mauled to death. It was bad enough he tried to indulge their desire to pretend he's some LGBT+ hero through his poetry book and "joking" about being bisexual. It was bad enough he validated the suggestion Jensen was sitting around writing sappy songs about his character like some obsessed fangirl.

I honestly just kind of wonder what new despicable level he'll manage to find to sink to next.

[idkhowtopickausername]

Are you still doing the unpopular opinions meme? 🔥 Naruto leftist discourse (and a precision: since Naruto Tumblr is the home of Naruto fans criticizing the Shinobi System and the narrative and so a huge chunk of the critique of the show on here is centered on those aspects, do you think people sometimes go too far and take it too seriously or don't take it seriously enough, etc.)

Hi! Yeah I’m still doing the ask game!

Yeah I do think there are times I see people taking it too seriously and people not taking it seriously enough. I think it’s good and important to be able to see how the stuff the show frames positively re: the shinobi system is really fucked up and to be able to see that Sasuke’s perspective is fundamentally correct despite him being vilified, and to be able to see that the ideas of morality that are being presented are very hypocritical and at times pretty awful. And when people who are actively engaged in Naruto discourse on here choose to dismiss or make fun of that analysis it does bother me, because I know they’ve had it explained to them and still refuse to see it.

That being said when it comes to the fandom on Tumblr it matters much more to me that people understand the problems with the show’s messaging than that they like the same characters/ships as me, and while there’s some characters that I don’t really see the appeal of and somewhat distrust the opinions of most of their fans, and vice versa characters I love and distrust the opinions of people who dislike them, I care more that people generally understand why the show’s messaging around genocide and its condemnation of the use of violence to resist a violent system are bad. I think getting super vitriolic towards people based on their subjective feelings about characters or ships is a bit embarrassing to witness. And similarly getting really vitriolic over people like not taking things seriously enough because they ship [x] or whatever or have some minorly flawed take, and claiming that they’re inherently selfish and morally depraved or something because of that is like kind of absurd to me lol, like it’s genuinely not that deep.

Also when people compare in-universe events to actual real-life atrocities it’s taking it a bit too far imo. I also think that while there are definitely connections between people’s opinions on fiction and their politics, and fiction is inherently political, you can’t reliably extrapolate people’s irl politics from their opinions about Naruto like I know people who are definitely leftists who I think have mundanely bad naruto opinions bc they’ve just never thought that deeply about it until I talked to them, and I’ve run into a couple of people on here who were Sasuke stans but turned out to be politically conservative, like there’s no clear line you can draw and it’s a bit weird to think that way imo. Also when people like to claim that Sasuke stans are like using Naruto discourse as a substitute for political engagement it’s hilarious lol like why don’t you think people can have hobbies like talking about fiction they like and also be politically engaged irl, they’re not mutually exclusive.

I think the reason leftists are drawn to analyze Naruto this way is partly because it illustrates really well the hypocrisy of systems that are inherently violent but treat resistance towards the status quo as the only real form of violence, and also illustrates how a militarized profit-based system affects lots of characters in different ways on a personal level. And I think Sasuke does develop a (flawed but still powerful) revolutionary ideology over the course of the story, and he has a big pivotal role in the story, and that resonates with a lot of people, myself included. He’s also a really complex and sympathetic character imo who manages to both feel very real and human and grow and change in meaningful ways (e.g. not just be the mouthpiece for a certain political viewpoint) and also opposes the dominant system at the same time.

[andreal831]

For the fandom ask! 3, 4, 10, 19, 22!

Thanks for the questions!

3. screenshot or description of the worst take you've seen on tumblr

I've seen a lot of bad interesting takes in the TVDU fandom. But recently, I've seen a lot of discourse around Klaus' relationship with women versus with his daughter, essentially saying he loves X more than he loves Hope. Which is just ridiculous. The entire plot of TO was that Klaus finally learned to love someone more than power or even himself. Don't get me wrong, I think he was a questionable father a lot of the time, but he loved Hope more than he loved anyone else in the world.

Also, anytime people say Marcel owes the Mikaelsons anything -- I can't stand this take.

4. what was the last straw that made you finally block that annoying person?

I don't block people easily cause I honestly don't care enough to. I think everyone should get the chance to make their points and have a civil discussion (and maybe even learn something). But I'll block as soon as anything racist comes out (this happens a lot where Marcel is concerned) or if someone gets disrespectful to anyone on any of my pages. There's no reason to take this very fictional world so personally you are attempting to make a real person feel bad.

10. worst part of fanon

I cannot stand when the fandom villainizes women, especially when writers make the characters OOC to do it. I've seen so many fics where in order to get klaroline together they make Hayley a terrible mom and a horrible person, or make Cami mean to everyone. It's fine to want your ship together, but why do we have to make the women all hate each other to get there? The show loves the crazy ex-girlfriend trope and I can't stand it when it's even more exaggerated in fanon.

19. you're mad/ashamed/horrified you actually kind of like...

I've been watching TVDU for a long time, but thankful never went through a Damon or Klaus phase. But Klamille is probably a ship I'm most mad at myself for liking. Cause I love Cami to death and she deserves better. I can't stand how he treated her in season 1, but something about them was just so sweet and compelling for me (pun intended). I can't stand Klaus but it's one of my favorite ships somehow. I also have to rewrite a lot of Freelin and Marbekah's backstories to ease my mind about their ships.

22. your favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores

This one is not a surprise to anyone, but my favorite part of canon that everyone else ignores is Elijah's backstories. I've spent so much time outlining my fic (I have their full life spans very detailed in my outline), so I obsess over every little flashback detail. I specifically love Celeste's whole storyline. I feel like the show and the fandom just glossed over it so quickly but that was a great love for Elijah and then after 200 years, he finds out she was alive the whole time. I needed the show to focus on him processing this rather than focusing on how it affected Klaus. Also, I wanted to see way more about the Strix with Elijah and Aya creating this society.

Thanks again for asking!

[hopelessromantic1352]

Hi! 🤗 As the new year countdown approaches, who are your top 10 MCs or OCs in the Choices fandom. Of course you can include your own as well. Celebrate yourself!

Hi anon! This is a great question! Sorry it took me so long to get around to answering! This made me really think, cause I think for the most part I really focus on our LIs and not the MCs/OCs. Also, this is not in order! It’s just what my squirrel brain comes up with first 🤣

Perfect Match F!MC - I named her Steph - I love how PM feels so fictional, yet real and exciting. Steph romanced Damien and I love their banter, relationship, everything. She is just so sassy, punny, and overall a great character. I feel like most of the older books have great storylines and great characters all around.

My F!OC Natalia York - I made Natalia for a Red Carpet Diaries AU after the disaster they called RCD 3 was released. I personally felt like RCD’s MC was a complete airhead, selfish, and didn’t really care about including her future husband in any wedding planning. I won’t get started on that whole thing 🤦🏼‍♀️🤣 Anywho, I love Natalia because she is so elegant and graceful. She’s so kind and her past has not been easy yet she doesn’t show that part of her. She keeps her walls up much like her counterpart, Thomas. I feel like sometimes I don’t write her well enough and I feel like I don’t do her justice.

@alj4890’s Amanda Bridgerton (F!OC) - This lady right here, I cannot say enough about her. The writer and the character 🤣 my friend created such a unique OC that started out as a match for Maxwell (TRR) and slowly transitioned into a match for Thomas (RCD) and I am so happy 😂 I may feel bad for Maxwell, but not enough to not be happy about Amanda and Thomas. Reading the fics with those two is just amazing because Amanda writes them so well. Every fic I read about the two shows a new light on their relationship. I just… I love them. They’re probably my favorite ship to read about on this app.

@liaromancewriter MAX! He is so awesome. I binge read all your fics and when I got to the ones with him, I fell in love �� This is not taking away from Cassie and Ethan cause I love their dynamic 😍 But Max and Sienna are so freaking cute together! He is so supportive and I remember him being protective of his sis and then he met Sienna and ugh swoon. Love, love, love ❤️❤️❤️

@jerzwriter Casey… need I say more? 🤣 I love the relationship between her and Tobias. Add Ethan in there 🤌🏼 Chef’s kiss. I love how shameless she is and the way she treats her friends. She’s, overall, someone I’d wanna be friends with 😂 But even though this is a question for MCs and OCs, I’m gonna sneak this in here, the way you write Tobias is the best ever. I think you have his character down to a T and it just makes everything with Casey that much better. I feel like those two feed off each other and the stories you come up with are amazing and hilarious 😆

@lovealexhunt Bogart (OC? Right? 😂) I love how you’ve incorporated Thomas and Alex’s (RCD) pet into your fics and you’ve made him such an important part of their lives. It’s amazing to read about Alex and Bogart, they seem like two peas in a pod and I love how she’s created an IG page for him 🤣 He’s such a good doggo for letting his mom dress him up and take lots of pics with him 🥰

@alj4890 Jackson Nevrakis-Walker and Nichole "Nicky" Beaumont - future TRR - I feel like these two HAVE to be together. I couldn’t put them on separate lines 🤣 I’ve read TRR a couple of times now and I just couldn’t get into it like everyone else could. But then I read an RCD/ TRR crossover by my dear friend Amanda, and I learned it is pretty awesome and the characters are pretty amazing. Since then, she created these two in a later down the road TRR and I fell in love with their dynamic. The breakup to them feeling like they should try again. I love the similarities between Nicky and her mom. I just feel like I need more of these two cause they’re adorable together.

@ladylamrian Alex Fontaine - NB - her name makes her sound like a badass 💁🏼‍♀️ which I mean she has to be to deal with Nik 🤣 I love how she’s so happy to be with Nik even though he can be over protective, over bearing, and overall a jerk sometimes. She helps him see that he doesn’t need to be and deals with his attitude, but he does the same with her. You’ve created a happier spin on a couple that could have some dark personalities lol but I love how you write her with Nik ❤️

@cariantha Sawyer - OH - Idk how I haven’t asked to be on your taglist sooner, but oh my lanta I love her! Her relationship with Ethan is so sweet and I love the softness she brings out in him. I can’t wait to read more of her and learn more about her 😍

The Royal Masquerade MC - I named her Juliette - I love her tenacity and bravery. They wrote her to have pride, courage, but still be very down to earth. She’s witty and I personally think they have some of the best faces and hairstyles for TRM’s MC.

Again, these are not in order! And I’m sooo not taking away from any other MCs or OCs y’all have, these are just ones that came to mind and that I personally love 💕

[darkcitrin]

Gray died for Juvia, Juvia almost died twice "for Gray" and was self harming herself to be able to chase Zeref.

When even death, self harm, self neglect, harassment does not count as "unhealthy behaviour".... What does count as such anti anti gruvians?

I would be interested in which kind of imaginary world you are living where these actions are not unhealthy. Should I be concerned? What kind of abuse have you experienced which you had to normalize in order to survive? Are there also little unicorns jumping around in this world you created for yourself? Can I visit it?

No wonder you protec fictional characters and relationships with all means crossing every decent boundary a human being should otherwise possess since they (Juvia/Gruvia) are more important and real to you than "real" people since you are denying reality and their definitions and usages. That you attack real people instead and do not protect or show the least amount of urge to understand them or show compassion to them (but to fictional characters) is proof enough. You seem not to have experienced such behavious in the real world from real persons addressed to you. I have no other explination why you would think it would be otherwise ok, to call anti gruvians mentally sick, not respecting them as living concious beings with emotions and treating them accordingly with respect just because they "hurt" your feelings for a fictional ship.

Also tagging this insult for the whole internet to see in the anti gruvia tag, means that you cannot even follow normal decent social rules. Seem you have not be sozialiced correctly and have not learnt manners either. Properly, since you grew up isolated, neglected like Juvia did. Therefore, you identifying with her, wishing her happiness since you are "living through her", and normalizing her behaviours and protecting her right to become happy, as means to escape your own emotional reality.

I just want to assure you, what you experienced is not healthy and since you are a living being you can heal and live a life in happiness you create in the real world. Juvia as non living being cannot and will always be used as comedy relief tool by Mashima. Do not attach to a bad representation of lonliness and act out and hurt people to ease your pain. Find real happiness in the real world. Juvia is not a good rolemodel for you, chose another one.

"Love" is not a list of trope actions, which have to be fulffilled.

Love is healthy, love empowers, love is no win lose situation, love is no sacrifice, Love allows personal growth, happiness, other friendships, respects the individuals and is creating a home, meaning where both feel safe, protected to be their authentic selves and be able to grow and were they help each other.

Love is not an assimilation, owning, stalking, copying, ideolizing, mimicking.

Love starts with self love and healthy individuals.

Therefore, yes when a healthy couple and a couple of unhealthy individuals are doing or saying the exact same thing.... It will be a sign of love for the first couple and simoultanously a sign of unhealthy attachment for the other, since not the action nor words can embody love, but the context, the requirements and the measurable consequences for the individuals. And these are set and therefore already predictable.

Love darkcitrin

[doverstar]

choosing violence: 6 and 8 (any fandom)

why does this feel like a trap- let's goooooo-

6. Which ship fans are the most annoying? Disclaimer: I have only ever met two groups of less-than-pleasant ship fans in my travels! Not everyone who participates in these ships is annoying or even mildly rude. These are just the two groups who had majorities of unpleasantness in my experience! In the Doctor Who fandom, there are people who ship River/the Doctor. I am one of them. But those ship fans (not all, just some) can be very annoying, in that they just get sort of...snarly sometimes. Sometimes! Especially if you also ship Doctor/Rose (I do!). For them, it's a very personal offense and it can only be one or the other, and if you like Rose you must hate River, or the other way around. Makes very little sense to me; the Doctor is such a specific character, one of the only ones I can even enjoy shipping with two different women. It shouldn't be such a warzone. And then the second fandom would be the Stranger Things fandom to the surprise of no one, with tiny pockets of the Hellcheer ship fans being (not all of them, just some of them) just incredibly volatile and unkind. Not to me exclusively, but to a vast number of people online from what I've seen/heard. A lot like high schoolers in a clique who don't seem to have much perspective. Honestly, the only ship fans I ever find annoying (but I feel like annoying is the wrong word?) are the ones who take their ship too far and start treating real people poorly over it. Like, then it's not about fiction anymore and it sucks the fun out of everything. It's just people being jerks over something that doesn't ultimately matter enough to justify it, you know? For any ship. 8. Common fandom opinion that everyone is wrong about? Am I allowed to have two answers again? 1. Y'all are so wrong about Susan Pevensie over there in the Narnia fandom, I cannot even begin because I will not eventually stop. Susan is not a victim. C.S. Lewis was not a misogynist. Aslan was not in the wrong. I'm beginning help moving on - 2. All you goons over in the Stranger Things fandom who think Chrissy is a closet bad girl and longs to smoke/drink/do drugs to express her independence and girlbossiness are wrong in my humble opinion. I know I'm right objectively about the Susan Pevensie thing, but this one can be pretty subjective because we got so little of Chrissy in canon. I base my opinion off of canon comments on the character like "straight as an arrow". But it's still just my opinion. Also they're wrong about Mike in general. That was three answers, sorry! Thank you for these questions, anon! Everyone reading this should go reblog the Choosing Violence ask game, it's so fun to answer! :D

[schreiwen]

to the person of my past

your projection hurt

it infiltrated so many of the ways you treated me, and treated others

pain and fear and unease and shame all thrown onto me, onto everyone else in your life

everyone but you

"do you think this might be projection? we should talk about it" "no, don't you dare tell me what i'm thinking! i know exactly how i feel! you're projecting!"

it started with someone you called a best friend

regularly putting them down, insulting them for having unique interests and strange-perceived interactions with other friends, things you called childish and immature and embarrassing

judging harshly for harmless things that never affected you, such as questioning nicknames between friends, their choice to ship themselves with fictional characters, not applying themselves in their personal life, not being a good artist, calling them mentally stunted

always annoyed and bothered and venting, constantly wishing to end your friendship with them and yet turning back around, smiles and pleasantries

i felt sympathy for them, i felt bad for you

do you self ship now, i wonder? do you exchange "i love you"s to every kind mutual on the internet? do you not struggle in your own personal life? does this same friend know about all the negative things you've felt about them, and do you still smile their way?

it continued with family

judging them for not applying themselves, how they constantly make excuses rather than make an effort to change. ranting, ranting, ranting

there's no wrong in ranting

but do you smile in their direction?

"i'm not attracted to the female form, it's softness, it's shape"

yet you were with someone with female anatomy. the only one in that person's life who made no effort or even an expressed wish to be there through the process with me. what stops you from supporting those you claim to love?

physical cringing, awkward defense mechanisms at the mere mentions of being queer in any sense of the word. an intense fear of judgment. insisting it is different with me, that you remain with me

not a single mention of my queerness to anyone you knew in life, endless excuses and anxieties as to why i should never come into your workplace and have coworkers encounter me

do you express attraction or interest toward the same sex now, i wonder?

"am i unattractive to you? are you gay?" you asked regularly, because i didn't initiate sexual activity with you

as if i've never mentioned that i'm asexual from the day that we met

you were still beautiful to me, everyday. it was my aim to remind you of it whatever chance i could get. days you were self conscious, feeling down with no way to climb back out. you're beautiful, simply as you, because you were

"am i unattractive to you? are you gay?" because we still don't have sex

i wonder now, do you identify as asexual? i only hope you treat people who are asexual with more recognition and respect then you did then, including yourself

laughing and jeering over the prospect of autism in your family

flinching when anybody suggests it may be you who has some traits typical for the diagnosis, eagerly flinging what you made sound like a disease prognosis on whatever sibling you preferred be the one. fear, ignorance

"there's nothing wrong with having autism" i say, bothered

"you would know" another jeer for all to witness

i knew you were autistic from the day we met, and i loved you

are you debating if you're autistic now? i only hope you treat and see people with autism in a healthier light than you did then, including yourself

for all the times you dismissed my mental health, or all symptoms of mental health you simply didn't feel fit or sounded real enough that day, are you feeling very mentally healthy these days? i only hope you don't dismiss and invalidate others as you did then, including yourself

"return my things and do not destroy them, or we will bring in a lawyer"

impossible accusations driven by pain, all of it pouring out in a desperate attempt to hurt me. years of memories and interaction forgotten, humanity dismissed. did you ever see my humanity to begin with? or was i always an idea, an object of love?

things sent back at my expense. you felt entitled to it. in your own bubble, blinded by the pain, curating your own reality rather than the one we shared, as you attempted to dismantle everything left in my own. i wonder - did you burn all left of my own belongings, trash them?

it was in a mind not mine that fantasies of destruction swam. it had never occurred to me until then, all you left unsaid, unseen

i hope you found kindness, empathy, acceptance, and courage to face all that fear inside of you, that you choose to work inward instead of project outward

that you realize more often people are trying to help, not hurt you

that you realize it isn't the world against you, it's you against you

[itsquakey]

If you’ve been around for a while this user may cause some ears to perk because they were involved in drama a while ago involving “inserting proship propaganda” into the Kirby tag. I didn’t say anything about it when it happened because I wanted to stay neutral and drama free but that ship sailed a long time ago so it’s time for me to talk about my opinions here because I think “antis don’t interact pros don’t interact” is not enough to explain my feelings on this. Sorry Mini for using your post as the starting piece.

I personally hate the proship antiship discourse. I understand where this comes from but when the most openly proship people I’ve seen as gross and creepy and the most openly antiship are…really insanely aggressive and they seem to harass and shout more death threats than the average Xbox kid (which if ur a CSA survivor and are mad at this lenience on pedoshit then that’s somewhat understandable but should perhaps be expressed in different spaces) I tend to stay far away from the war grounds. But if I had to be defined by one of these I’d be antiship.

Also the definition of both sides has been oh so muddied over the years to where if you asked anyone to define it you might get a range of answers. So here’s my stance on this.

Shipping adults with kids is cringe and if you do this I’m calling your ass out (This includes SOME child-coded characters I’d recommend Noralities YouTube video on it it’s really good). No romanticizing pedophilia.

Shipping kids with kids is fine as long as it is not portrayed as nsfw or raunchy. Treat it respectfully and innocently or I will also call your ass out. Aging both kids up to adults and shipping them is fine (I kinda do that? Considering Nextgen and how that works).

Shipping like- actual animals with people is not cool. Like if you wanna ship ur human sona with Zootopia Fox guy it’s whatever it’s an anthropomorphic Fox with a human personality and does human things. It’s when like- you ship a very obviously animalistic creature with no real knowledge of consent with a human. Oh yeah as here’s a cool factoid. Zoophilic thoughts and tendencies have been recorded to be signs of psychosis. So yeah it’s not cool it is basically mental issues.

Shipping abusive relationships in a romantic way and portraying it as sexy or cute isn’t cool either. I’m looking kinda at you, Helluva Boss.

Aging up a young character to ship with an adult character is really weird and I’m not going to affiliate with you if you do that. Aging down an adult character to ship with a young character is equally weird.

I’d also like to go onto another tangent because I think romantically pairing characters are writing couples are a little different. I’m a Berserk fan so I feel the need to say this.

It’s fine if not important to portray things like abusive relationships, pedophilia, zoophilia, CSA, etc in media and art. Just make sure to portray it with the respect and care needed as these are very sensitive topics that will always sadly exist in real life. They may be portrayed through the lens of an artist who actually suffered from these things or something similar to a PSA, maybe even just a portrayal of what really happens and negatively affects a character. These portrayals may have people who were genuinely affected by these things feel represented and heard and also help others be aware of these things and how horrible they can be or even avoid future encounters with these gross things.

IF you are someone who uses these things to cope with trauma, label and make due with warnings as this stuff is sensitive and not everyone is going to want to see it.

And for those of you who say, “well it’s not illegal so it’s not bad” like an idiot…

JUST BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL DOES NOT MAKE IT MORAL

Thanks for listening to my horrible rambling and make sure to block the aforementioned account that calls itself a proshipper.

Edit: Also to add on from what I’ve seen in tags, Fiction does absolutely affect real life, there are so many examples of it as that excuse will not work either.

Quakey

There's a proshipper named princess-yurioangel going around, be careful

Oh God, blocked them immediately thank you so much for telling me

[alycosworld]

guess who🤡 heyhey 💕 here. I’m pretty sure by this 2nd request u can tell that I’m a very emotional person🧍🏻‍♀️ and that I’m a person that seeks alot of comfort from fictional characters because i dont have a life and good friends.

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putting a divider here so u dont have to read everything and can look out for keywords!

purple—> person

pink—>genre

green—>subject

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I’m not sure if u r comfy writing kazuha so if yr not I’m sorry u can ignore this! i just want a fluff comfort for reader who got like REALLY scolded for getting bad grades for exams because u have no idea how angsty I’m feeling rn:( my parents just literally like scolded me like there was no tmr istg- so i just need really fluff comfort. so a kazuha x NB(non bibary)!reader

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Anyways again tysm u have no idea how grateful i am if you accept my request!!!<3 get lots of rest and drink water. only do this if you want to!

byebye<3

-💕

Kazuha's Wise and Whimsical Words

Kaedehara Kazuha X Reader

A/N: aaaa 💕anon ily!! being emotional is completely fine and I would be honoured to become of your good friends!! I will be a part of your life, private message me if you're ever feeling down! I just want my readers happy because they make me happy aaaaaa 🥺

with that being said, i love this request! My parents were so hard on me when it came to exams, but as soon as I broke away from their expectations, I started to appreciate my grades more. I'll leave the real comforting words for Kazuha to say but NO ONE SHOULD EVER be disappointed in yourself if you tried your best. Thank you for your support and the request, I hope the story makes you feel better. Enjoy!

ps: I took into account the fact that not everyone has a mother and a father and not everyone has two parents at all, so only one parent is mentioned here and they are left gender neutral so it's easier to picture yourself in the story.

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"(Y/N). This is not at all what I expected. What happened to you?" Your parent asked sternly.

"Well, I--"

"I don't want to hear any excuses. Your predicted grades were much higher than this!" They said, raising their voice.

"I'm sorry, I--"

"Sorry is not going to improve your results! Do you really think that now is a good time to be slacking off? You have one more exam period before university. I don't care if you pass those exams, I want you to excel. And if you don't, you are not attending Sumeru Academia, whether they accept you or not. I am not paying for you to study overseas, only for you to get mediocre grades." They said, making you even more anxious than before the exam.

"But I got above the average!"

"By two percent! And the average was low." Your parent said, narrowing their eyes slightly and upsetting you with their belittling gaze.

"Realistically--"

"Realistically? Realistically?! If you want to study realistically, you should find someone else to pay for your education. When you want to study successfully, you can come back." They slammed the stack of sheets that displayed your results on the table with a loud bang before folding their arms as you grabbed a jacket and stormed out of the house, tears running down your face.

You walked for a while in the night, before eventually finding yourself in an area you were less familiar with. After recognising it to be somewhere near your boyfriend's current residence off Beidou's ship, you made a beeline for his place, knocking on the door and hoping, praying he would be alone inside.

The door soon opened and Kazuha stood there, initially with a smile on his face but it soon dropped when he saw your expression.

"(Y/N)? What happened?" He asked.

"C-can I come inside?" You sniffled.

"Of course, Love. Come in." He said, ushering you into his quaint little place. You stood by the door that closed behind you before Kazuha pushed the coat you had lazily draped over your shoulder onto the floor and enveloped you in his arms.

You broke down in his embrace. You had done better than most of your fellow students, and frankly, you were kind of proud of your result. But it was foolish of you to think that your parent would accept anything but perfection. They said it was all for you, but you were doubting it. Did you even want to go to Sumeru Academia? You had had your heart set on it since you were a child, but maybe that was only because your folks always envisioned you going there.

"Why are you crying, my love?" Kazuha asked, sitting you down near the fire to warm you up and standing up to get you a blanket and a hot cup of tea.

"I'm not good enough." You mumbled. If it was anyone else, they wouldn't have heard you. But your boyfriend could listen to the wind "talk" - he was very attuned to quiet and subtle noises.

"Nonsense." He smiled, bringing you the blanket as you listened to the water boil in the background.

"You're more than good enough. Everyone who knows you adores you - no one more than me, of course." Kazuha chuckled, eventually setting down two cups of tea and sitting in front of you on the floor.

"Public opinion won't improve my grades." You said, now more stoic than upset. You had almost become numb and desensitised to degrading comments that after you cried a little and calmed down, you'd be straight-faced and almost emotionless. It didn't feel good, but it was certainly better than feeling bad.

"So this is about school." Kazuha nodded, gesturing for you to continue explaining why had happened.

"They keep talking about my grades. They said I shouldn't be slacking and that I'm not going to get to Sumeru Academia and that they want me to do better...maybe I'm interpreting it wrong. Maybe they're trying to encourage me?" You wondered aloud, thinking that somehow you were the problem. As soon as you said "they", Kazuha knew who you are referring to and sighed.

"Encouragement and doubt are two very different things. Unrealistic expectations, detrimental practices, emotionally, mentally or physically taxing improvement - none of that is going to help you. In fact, it'll make you feel worse. When you really think about what you have to do to achieve perfection, you'll only realise how unattainable it is. You'll fall into a perpetual spiral of intellectual destruction." Kazuha said.

"Then how the hell am I gonna get the best results?" You asked worriedly.

"You won't. No one will ever get the best results because more people and more previously unforeseen factors will come into play. What you can achieve is your best results. Your grades are a product of you, not the other way around. They are no measure of your worth, they cannot define you, and they do not have to be a part of you. If you don't ace one subject, you don't have to hang on to that or turn it into some strange part of you. You can't cling to it, it's impossible to cling to a piece of the past forever. That's not to say you don't learn from it, but it doesn't need to become some villainous trait - in the end, it is only a grade." Kazuha shield at you. His words warmed your heart more than the fire or tea, and they even seemed to dry your tears and allow you to mirror his expression.

"And at the very least, you can hold your head high knowing that you had the strength to participate in an exam when not everyone does. You went in, sat through it, attempted the questions and walked out. Not everyone has the courage to stay; some don't even have the courage to start. That goes for any endeavour you face." Kazuha said, before inching closer to you.

"Feeling any better?" He asked. You nodded instantly. Of course, Kazuha's wise and whimsical words had bettered your mood, it was Kazuha for Archon's sake.

"Good. Maybe we could go for an evening stroll? I'll treat you to dinner if you haven't eaten." He offered.

"Can...can we just stay like this for a little longer? I think being alone with you is nicer." You smiled.

"Of course, Angel. Anything you want."

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this was less physical fluff than I intended, but I think I do comfort with direct words and dialogue best, so I hope this is okay. honestly, everything kasha said is what I would've wished to hear when I was in this situation. I'll probably post a rant about my own exam experiences because this request got all my past feelings to resurface.

thank you for reading, I hope you enjoyed!

[harmfulot]

Hi!! Before you read this or try to take this down please just consider reading this instead of being so hateful. I don’t mean to spread hate onto any shippers but I do believe that Inuyasha’s fandom has a major problem that needs to be addressed. Trigger warning for pedophila,child p*rn and grooming.

Why Sessrin is problematic.

Sessrin is a very popular ship among the Inuyasha community. If you are a shipper of this pair you won’t have to worry for lack of content for it. Rin is a injured child character that is introduced in the original Inuyasha manga in issue 14. She meets Sesshomaru in the forest and even though she is going through a lot at such a young age her kind self still tries to help him out. Sesshomaru at first does not care for this child who is tending to him. He tells her to mind her business and has her leave. Soon after Rin is killed by Kouga’s pack of wolves and Sesshomaru with his demon power scented her blood and comes to save her with his Tenseiga. After this Sessshomaru decides to take in Rin and protect her even though he had a hatred for humans. A “similarly” shippers like to compare Inuyasha and Kagome’s relationship with but their relationship is not written with romantic tensions..

The reason why Rin was written and VERY important in Inuyasha is because she is the reason why Sesshomaru became a better person. He no longer hated humans or wanted to go against his brother. This broken human child Rin looked up to Sesshomaru who was a powerful older demon. Sesshomaru grew a soft side and it was because of her caring innocence. You could easily see their connection as father and daughter or Sesshomaru as a guardian for her. Never did he have the thought of getting with her when she got older and Rin never developed a crush on him. Why? Because she is a child who lost her parents and now has this person who protects her like one. People may say that Jaken was the father figure for Rin but I don’t agree because unlike Sesshomaru he did not care for Rin and only handled her to please his lord. Jaken would call Rin many negative things and go off at her. Rin was annoyed by Jaken. He is certainly not a parent figure for her. Sesshomaru provided a stay aside him to lead for Rin which she followed. Rin was no longer alone. She had Sesshomaru’s company now. Even if he was not very good at taking care of her he never wanted her to get hurt or killed again. He is new to this “taking care of people” thing after all especially humans...young humans. Sessrin would destroy the growth of Sesshomaru because it can’t be denyed that their relationship represents this much more than a romance waiting to happen. When Kagura came along Rin told Jaken joyfully she bet Kagura had a crush on Sesshomaru this small moment reminds you she a is a child that lost her parents and could be seeing this as a opportunity for Kagura to become her adoptive mother. And most Sesshomaru cosplayers would use their daughter to cosplay for Rin. Usually making the picture taken seem like Sesshomaru is protecting Rin or having them both share a cute bonding moment. Why? Because that is how their relationship is meant to be established. For a Sessrin cosplay to work people would have to age up Rin and her design or else the cosplayers would receive negative feedback. Now moving on to how aging up Rin is not okay either.

People claim they only would like to see these two get together once Rin is older but that is almost as bad as shipping Sessrin while she is a child. Sesshomaru saw Rin grow up. He raised her for a while as his own this needs to stop being denied in the fandom. For Sesshomaru to impregnate Rin is out of character. And seems like a sick fanasty. He is not that kind of character. He wouldn’t touch Rin in that matter. Even if she was in her late 20’s. He respected child Rin and would still respect her older. Sessrin is like if a babysitter got together with the person they use to take care of as a kid. It’s disturbing!! Not cute. Rin does not deserve to be fedished.

It’s actually terrifying how much child p*rn there is of Rin. I feel so ashamed by even coming across one by mistake. Don’t use the excuse that Rin is a fictional character. Enough with that excuse. Let’s throw that excuse away. That excuse of “it’s fictional it does not matter..” only works for certain things like when someone assigns headcanons for their favorite character or ships a non-canon pair that isn’t problematic. Not when we are speaking of drawing nsfw of a fictional child. And fictional or not. Rin is a child and every grown person who has drawn smut of her should be ashamed and even arrested. If you see a fictional child in this matter what knows what could you lead you up to see an actual kid as this too. It’s a big problem because there are so many people who have gotten away with this. It’s so easy to find a image of child Rin without any of her clothes on or being r*ped by Sesshomaru. Sesshomaru would never r*pe anyone. It’s quite sad. Kagome was saved from being sexually assaulted by Mukostu because of Sesshomaru. People has even brought doujinshi comics of Sessrin making love or may I call it child p*rn in disguise? Be honest with yourself. It really is just that.

Everyone finding out would be horrified. Excluding Hanyo No Yashahime which majorly changed the characters. Sesshomaru and Rin being together would make everyone uncomfortable even Miroku who has before asked a child if she would bare his kid. Which Inuyasha,Kagome,and Sango reacted very badly to. And was yelled at for it. They do not tolerate pedos nor grooming. Kagome especially would be against. She referred Rin as the girl many times and puzzled together that Sesshomaru took care for Rin. Many people bring up that Kouga proposed to Ayame when she was a kid but remember that was never in the original. Sunrise created Ayame and added this other plot in order for Kouga to have someone at the end. Which is sad because this could have worked if Ayame met Kouga and gained a crush on him instead. She was a cute character after all. In the manga Kouga remains by himself since Kagome stayed with Inuyasha. Now I am definitely not a fan of Kouga and Ayame. I despise the fact Sunrise only created her to be Kouga’s romance interest but having him tell her he would marry her once she was older was even worse. This was a choice Sunrise made not Kouga’s original character. The reason why Kagome does not call out Kouga on this is because she did not know Ayame was a child at the time he proposed. He never mentioned it but if he did I’m certain Kagome would have not tried to keep setting them up together knowing this information. And just a reminder that even in real life some Inuyasha voice actors such as Richard Ian Cox and David Kaye voice actor for Sesshomaru does not support Sessrin. Adding on shipping Rin with Sesshomaru is like shipping Shippo with Inuyasha or Kagome. Weird right?? In the Manga Sesshomaru’s Mother Inukimi says that Sesshomaru is like his father in the strangest of ways after saving Rin again. No this doesn’t mean that he will soon come to love her romantically because Inukimi did add “In the strangest of ways” and refers to Rin as a girl like Kagome. She means that Sesshomaru had now changed and that he cared about someone who was a human like his dad who also cared for them even though they are both demons.

It’s funny how the sequel claims girl power but does not know how to treat it’s female characters. Kagome and Sango are both introduced as Inuyasha and Miroku’s wives instead of their actual character. Now if you not a woman please do not have a say in this unless you wish to agree but this is very sexist Sunrise. I’m not exaggerating how upsetting and disrespectful it is to see you introduce these strong main female role models like this. Inuyasha and Miroku were not titled as husbands of...so why were Kagome and Sango? I’m sure 99% of audience would know who is married to who. Women are not objects or tools Sunrise. Kagome is the main character of Inuyasha even if his name is on title. She is the reason why got to meet these characters. Sunrise has done female characters dirty many times like making Ayame obessed with Kouga when she could have been a neat character but what they did to Rin takes the cake. Rin is introduced as “The girl who adores Sesshomaru” but apparently now that girl is the mother of his children. Shame on you Sunrise!! We only saw Rin ever as a child even when series ended aging her up to become Sesshomaru’s wife without knowing how she is as a grown person is not a good example for your younger female audience to view. This could have been avoided.

Even though I’m a minor who only been in this fandom for half a year I gather a lot of knowledge of how far this fandom goes. It was definitely most popular around early 2000’s and many say it was their first anime with their first anime crush being Sesshomaru. Inuyasha was an anime I did not look content for till later after finishing season 2. When I discovered Sessrin I was real confused and thought to myself it was just a small part of the fandom but I could have been more wrong. Many accounts I followed that involved Inuyasha shipped Sessrin. Even after finishing many Inuyasha episodes I was very confused on why this was a thing and how could have it gotten so big. I thought something magical would have happened like Rin turning out to be someone much older but that never happened. I was wrong. This ship is just pedophila and nothing else. And I’m sure if Sesshomaru wasn’t “attractive” Sessrin wouldn’t be big. Going back to people crushing on Sesshomaru when they were younger I’m sure the reason Sessrin is not more discussed about for how toxic it is online is because besides people being scared,people like to insert themselves as Rin but this has to stop. Adults should not pair a child and grown up together even if the child is now grown. Especially grown ups with kids. This is not good example to set for your kids. I’ve seen many minors being harassed online for disliking Sessrin by adults. Which is super immature and should be in trouble for. Netruals must know that is not a ship war because there have been people who have gotten horrible hate and were told very graphic things by Sessrin shippers. ( By the way I’m sorry to anyone who has been hurt online even Sessrin shippers. I do not support Sessrin but no one should be told awful things. ) Many Inuyasha fans which dislike Sessrin have left Twitter and Tumblr because of how much hate they have gotten. This is not okay. People should be able to voice their opinion on something without being told to commit s*icide or hoping they get r*ped.

And your point? This sequel is being written in the 21th century. We could write it however we please not everything has to be “accurate” and also this state is just supporting the idea of children being wed with a grown up was okay before because the age of consent was different. Ugh..but this claim is just another excuse. Please stop using it. Many things in the past were allowed which wouldn’t be allowed today. So no this is not a valid reason to ship Rin with Sesshomaru.

Sunrise should not be off the hook for using child Rin clips for the opening as the daughters are shown. It was a wrong decision to make them seem like “moments” since now many actual pedophiles will support this pair as well. Even before this continuing was announced Sessrin was a big thing and “adult Rin” was not. Sunrise should not be supporting Sessrin at all. Nor anyone in the Inuyasha crew. They have many young fans watching and supporting this anime and they are being influenced and will grow up to think grooming is okay when it’s not. Again in 2021 this can not be allowed and it shouldn’t have ever. This sequel was not necessary. The anime ended fine.

If Rin is the mom I will no longer support Hanyo No Yashahime. I’m sorry but I will sadly have to drop it. There are a lot of reasons why Sessrin should not be a thing and Sunrise should know many themselves,because they have joined along these character’s journeys and seen through scripts who they are. And what Sessrin is pedophila and grooming that happened to get a lot of support which is why it is hard to find more people within online media discuss it. I sure do hope it does because I am tired of seeing only few doing it. We need more awareness of how problematic grooming pairs are in anime media. No more portraying children to grow up as romance interests for people they were raised by. Let’s keep Sesshomaru and Rin’s relationship wholesome. There is no need for them to get together. At the end of the day Rin owns Sesshomaru nothing and he knows that. Let’s start viewing them from a different point of view. Let’s see more fanart of them acting like father and daughter. I love that. Thank you and have a good day.

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I agree I've been a part of many different fandoms and the hate people have for not just Billy but for those of us who love him and ship him with Steve is just pretty unbelievable at points it borders on obsessive with some of them.

I'd say the two worst times for this was during season 3 when there was a lot of Billy stuff around and surprisingly right after season 4. Even though Billy wasn't even really in season 4. I guess the show picked up a lot of new younger viewers or something because I feel like the vitriol amped up a lot towards him and us. I also think events that have gone in the real world in recent years have played a part in why Billy is more hated now than he ever was.

There was definitely people that hated Billy and hated us after season 2 but they just didn't seem as bad or as loud about it as they often are now. I think there are people who see Billy as an abusive racist and nothing more and they've decided to label anyone who thinks any deeper about this fictional character as supporting abuse and racism.

Never mind the fact that any of the scenes having to do with Billy and Lucas are clearly open for interpretation. Regardless of what the Duffers intended the scenes with Billy and Lucas or Billy and Max aren't clear cut just one way. More importantly Dacre himself specifically said he didn't see Billy as racist just that he was protecting Max ("if it were any other kid bothering her he would have reacted the same way") therefore he wasn't playing him that way and it clearly impacted how Billy came across on screen.

There's also the fact that many of us relate to Billy and his circumstances. Like Billy I grew up in an abusive family and because of that was a very angry person as a teenager. I don't get why so many in the ST fandom can't find a single ounce of empathy or ability to grasp that so many of us see ourselves in this hurting abused kid. They'll sympathize with Max and Eddie all day long but never Billy and never those of us who relate to him. Many of who are real world abuse victims/survivors.

Tbh I also put some of the blame on the Duffers for how the fandom is because look at how they've treated Billy. Not having anyone even talk about rescuing him in season 3, making him out to be monster at the end of season 4, talking about him like a villain in interviews. Them killing Billy off was hard enough to watch but the way they've basically written him off as this 2D 80's villain who deserved all the bad he got has been worse. They've basically used Billy to kind of vent out their frustrations on their childhood bullies and the fandom has used all of this to validate their hatred of Billy.

Even after season 3 people were literally celebrating the fact that he was killed off and to this day there is a portion of the ST fandom who say he got what he deserved. An abused, angry, teenager who didn't have any kind of support system. Who had no idea what the hell was even happening to him. Who gave his life to save everyone else. Deserved to die in one of the worse ways imaginable? I mean are you fucking kidding me?

And I'm not telling anyone they aren't allowed to dislike Billy there's plenty of characters I don't like either but what I don't get is the intense concentrated effort to hate on this character and the people who love him. The inability to grasp the fact that it's okay if you dislike him but it's also just as okay if other people feel differently. Someone liking a fictional character that you don't doesn't make them a bad person.

I've also seen people in the ST fandom try and humanize characters like Brenner and Henry or defend characters like Kali and El when all of them have done messed up stuff including murder. During season 4 I saw so many ST fans applauding El smashing Angela's face in with the skate when she could have literally killed her.

Meanwhile the worst thing we saw Billy do was be a dick to Max, grab and push Lucas, and his fight with Steve (which Steve started). Which both events that happened at the Byers happened after Billy had been attacked by his dad, was in a venerable state, and knew he'd be in deep shit if he didn't bring Max back home with him. He told Lucas "you're so dead Sinclair" which some in fandom have taken as a literal threat against Lucas' life but 1. It's said in anger after Lucas kicked him in the balls. 2. I don't think Billy was going to. He literally could have punched Lucas in the face the minute he grabbed him (look at his fight with Steve) and he hardly did anything at all. I'm not excusing Billy just these are the facts that so many in the ST fandom love to twist for their own narrative.

I just don't get why almost every other character on the show is allotted some kind of understanding for their mistakes but never Billy. I can't think of a single thing Billy did that warrants the kind of hate people have for him. Even if he was racist as some people believe he was. He was a teenager in the 80's who had a horrible, abusive, piece of shit role model for a father. Where exactly was he supposed to learn to be better and be more open minded? Cause it certainly wasn't going to happen living with his father. The fact is Billy could have grown and matured as a person. He was only 18 years old still living at home barely having experienced life yet. In most ways he was still just a kid. Honestly I feel sorry for those who refuse to see Billy as anything more than just a villain because it makes me wonder how they look at and judge people in the real world.

Sorry this got insanely long I didn't mean to hijack your post. I just always have a lot to say when it comes to Billy.

The hate for Billy and Harringrove genuinely perplexes me. I have shipped and loved characters that kinda deserve the hate they get but these two? Are you serious? In the grand scale of things they're saints