#Hellaverse critical

[toestychonk]

Raph

DO NOT HARRASS THIS PERSON OR RAPH, PLEASE. THIS IS ONLY FOR DISCUSSION

So I don't normally talk about Raph and I found this interview. It was interesting to say the least, but it illustrated my problems with his, Viv's, and the fandom's behavior.

The TLDR of the video is that Raph explaining how he got into Hazbin through the character of Angel Dust and how Angel opened up this side of Raph and "freed him". Essentially Angel gave him the confidence to be more sexual which is fine. Viv's characters are allowed to be inspiring to people as long as that person's not getting the wrong ideas from the Hellaverse and/or they're not a toxic/garbage-y person, that's a-okay or at least it should be.

There was one thing that did bother me and that was him basically saying the episode and his comic having a similar dialogue was just a coincidence. And yes, I know Raph DIDN'T write this episode and that he's just a board artist doing his job. And all says is that Vivienne has a rape fetish because WHY WOULD YOU WRITE SOMETHING SO CLOSE TO WHAT'S IN RAPH'S RAPE FETISH COMIC?!? I really didn't wanna believe it but just this and the favorites playlist really made me realize it. (What a dumbass, amirite?)

And while Viv's fetish is legal and it's dumb to bitch about something I can't do anything about, we are allowed get the ick from something and this gives me the ick.

To be fair, I skimmed through the playlist and those first 3 are the only videos of that type. It's not a rape fetish playlist or whatever some like to portay it . (The fact they're in there at all is still disgusting af, but at least it remains as evidence of Viv being a skeezy rape fetishist.) The rest is dumb late 2000s - early 2010s YouTube shit. Not just that but we don't know how long ago that was and interests change, even sexual, so who knows if this even does it for her anymore? And frankly, that's none of our business, but let's be real. Some of us make it our business with someone like this.

Also, I kinda get why they wanna cover it up as Viv gets a lot of hate as it is. Can you imagine if it was public knowledge that she thought the idea of rape was hot? Like, I don't want Viv to kill herself.

But anyway, what do you guys think about Raph? Is he as much to blame as Viv or is he just a worker?

That's it. Happy pride and have a fantastic day/week/year!

[palisman273]

Brandon Rogers did more for Millie's character in one episode than Viv did in one and a half seasons

Millie and Blitzo's friendship is so cute

Thank you, Brandon

See HB? I know you can be great, you just have to try

[kennybunny]

um hi this is my stella redesign thing shes supposed to be inspired off of commedia del'arte and her original pilot design :) hope you guys enjoy

[soilology]

the first of my hazbin and helluva redesigns starting with my favorite character, NIFFTY!!!

pre-death story and inspirations below the cut!

before she died, niffty was a housewife, residing in the fukuoka prefecture in japan. she was married to a man for a little over 4 years. their lives were quiet, yet happy. almost. niffty had her fair share of misfortunes; she was diagnosed with OCD and had constant instrusive thoughts of aggression/violence, either towards herself or others. though her and her husband had a stable enough income, she refused treatment, afraid of the cost and it interfering with her fixed schedule. on top of her diagnosis, she also was infertile and could not have children. this saddened her, though she convinced herself it was for the best due to the fact she thought her condition would be detrimental to any kid she might have. her husband didn't like this however. he desired kids, and niffty's infertility became a source of growing resentment. her husband started to cheat on her with another woman. what began as a secret affair eventually turned into a second life- one niffty was never meant to discover. but she did. and when she did, her intrusive thoughts became far more than fleeting visions. they became consuming, vivid fantasies she could no longer suppress. the images of inflicting pain- the ones she had spent YEARS trying to silence- now felt like a promise of justice. one evening, she made their usual tea, just like she had countless times before. but this time, she stirred drain cleaner into both cups. the stench was foul. she sat across from him at the table, her hands trembling slightly as she lifted the cup to her lips. he drank without suspicion, despite the disgusting, rotten odor coming from his cup. for a brief moment, they sat in silence, just like they always did. then, the coughing started. the retching. his throat burned, his voice strained with confusion and pain. niffty watched him struggle, her eyes dull and distant. she didn’t move to help. she only stared, feeling the same searing pain clawing at her own throat. by the time anyone found them, they were lying cold on the kitchen floor. their tea cups were shattered nearby, the sharp scent of chemicals still lingering in the air. to everyone else, it seemed like a tragic accident or a suicide pact. but only niffty, now down in hell's depths, knew the truth. she made sure they left this world together, bound by the same pain that had quietly torn them apart.

niffty's design has bothered me for many reasons, the main being that: 1. she looks like a child 2. she barely looks like a bug, what her motifs are supposed to be. 3. her hair is not 50's at ALL, which is when she supposedly died (which seems to be a major problem with vivzie's designs, the sinners do not match the era they died in.)

to combat these problems, i have her a more mature and period accurate hairstyle, as well as some lipstick! her pilot design had colored lips so i always thought of it as red lips. her original hairstyle looked more like some sort of shaggy bob, while female style's in the 50's were much more curly/wavy and well-kempt. i'm going with a 7 deadly sins motif for each of the main characters. of the sins, niffty represents ENVY.

she is now based off an asian lady beetle, which are commonly mistaken for ladybugs. lady beetles have a foul smelling odor, which i'm giving niffty as a nod/punishment to the smell of the drain cleaner that killed her and her husband. they're also known to bite as a defense mechanism. along with her buglike limbs and her spotted dress, her headband is supposed to mimic bug antenna.

as nods to her heritage, her teeth are similar to an oni (a japanese demon), and the top of her dress is crossed over like a kimono. instead of the normal correct way to wear a kimono where it is folded left over right, it is right over left, which is for dressing the dead.

if you came down this far, thanks for reading !! i really hope you like her, i think even after i re-do all of the other characters she'll be my favorite design. reblogs and constructive criticism is appreciated! <3

[dwewi66]

fixed another terrible female character from Vivien

[kiraisrika]

So i see this tweet

And it dawned on me, this made sense, this is the answer why character design inside The Hellaverse feels weirdly not fitting, out of place if you will.

OC stands for Original characters its a character you made yourself.

Every character is an oc but not all oc meant to be a character, at least narratively.

Viv wants to tell a story about hell, so naturally she will make characters that befit this title and their lore.

But she didn't.

A character design has to tell a story, especially since there is a narrative that shaped them.

I didn't say that she can't make a good character design, i actually loved a few consistent design details such as the imps horn, the motif of envy residents being underwater creatures and many more.

But a lot of other characters especially the main characters have this problem

Take Beelzebub as an example, you will never guess shes the sin of gluttony because her character design didn't fit that at all.

Or Lucifer's design didn't scream "king of hell" for me.

Naturally with a premise as interesting and ambiguous as the concept of hell itself there are many rooms for unique character design that tell their respective story.

So, Heres a few tips to make your ocs feel like characters

Establish design details that will be consistent with each character. maybe even their faction, their ring, their backstory. But do not overdesign them to the point of clutter.

Make combination colours! Think about complementary colors that will look good on a character.

Create details that every character has uniquely on themselves!

And make sure the character stands out from the background! make a contrast between scenes, maybe even wrap the background according to the characters emotions

And most importantly, create backstory, motivations, and flaws for your character to make them compelling, create relationship charts to keep track of how they interact!

Remember to have fun when creating a character, ocs whatever, this is just my thoughts

Thats my rambling haha

[wishful-thinking64]

Hazbin Hotel & Helluva Boss Rewrite Ideas #01

I truly believe that both shows have a lot of untapped potential that we'll unfortunately never get to see thanks to Viv refusing to take criticism and the fact that her writers are all yes men. However, that doesn't mean I can't give out rewrite ideas like they're candy to those who wish to tap into either show's said potential. With that being said, here are some rewrite ideas that you could use for Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss! ______ #01.) Have Mrs. Mayberry become one of the residents of the Hazbin Hotel. I promise you, this one writes itself. #02.) Have Glitz & Glam be Fizz's rival co-workers to parallel his time in the circus when he worked with the Buckzo twins who acted more like a family to him. #03.) Write some new workers for the Hazbin Hotel since they're still severely understaffed. You could make these new employees a Hellborn, a Sinner, an Overlord, or Goetia royalty if you wanted too. The possibilities for this one are endless! #04.) Let Heaven contrast with Hell based on how they operate. For example, in my rewrite for the Hellaverse, Heaven doesn't use currency at all. It quite literally doesn't exist up there. Instead, they use the Bartering System as they view it to be the most fair exchange of goods and services. #05.) Have there be a character who doesn't belong in Hell but got sent there anyway for whatever reason. I'd recommend using Valoris (my take on renaming Vaggie) if you don't mind keeping her as a fallen angel or using her original Sinner backstory however I feel like Amélie (I renamed Emily solely because her name is so common. It's not bad but you can tell that there was barely any thought put into it either.) could work just as well since she'd be a fallen Seraph. #06.) Make Lucifer and Stolas evil as they were originally intended to be before Viv scrapped the idea in favor of something worse. Stolitz is a toxic ship no matter how much damage control and retconning Helluva Boss tries to do and when initially asked about how Lucifer would act later in the series on an old livestream, Viv originally wanted to have his character be on par with that of Willy Wonka so do with that information what you will. #07.) Allow for Charlie's, "Anyone can be redeemed," mentality to constantly be challenged by those around her. Don't be afraid to have her be in the wrong because we all know that not everyone can be redeemed. Some people (Valentino) truly aren't deserving of it and others won't be accepting to change. You can lead a horse to water all you want but the horse has to decide to drink it. #08.) Create a proper foil ship for Fallen Star (I hate using the ship name Chaggie) cause if even Stolitz can have one in the form of Fizzmodeus then Fallen Star should have one too. Most people opt to use Emilute but I'm a damn GuitarSpear shipper so I opted for a crossover ship that has Emily and another character from Helluva Boss instead. Listen, if a rare pair and joke ship like CherriSnake can become canon over a ship like Sir Pentious x Rosie that actually makes sense when you consider they're from similar time periods, then a crossover ship being in my AU rewrite is the least of my problems.

For context, here's a screenshot for one of the HH mockup episodes before Viv and her team decided to scrap it. Like the majority of the HH mockup episodes. ______ Well, that's all I've got for now so happy writing and good luck!

[livofthestars]

Ok, ok, so I think I understand.

According to Sai Scribbles, a person who made a 4-hour long stream dedicated to defending Vivienne Medrano and calling her critics misogynists, people critical of creators like Vivienne Medrano who make any remotely boat-rocking and spicy take—especially when applying a Marxist reading when analyzing their work—that challenges the thesis of their art and their execution of its supposed themes are just moral goal-posting and need to be placated to in their media. Got it.

What a regressive stance to take.

[glitterisname]

saw this on a Tiktok slideshow abt someone ranking characters (Stolas is their most favorite) from least favorite to most favorite.

Just wanted to know how the critical community thinks about this take.

[toestychonk]

Vivienne, your writing isn't bad because it's queer or written by a woman, it's bad because: it's inconsistent, hypocritical, misogynistic, pointlessly mean, stereotypical, and it overly relies on shock value for laughs.

[palisman273]

This clip was eye-opening to me because it proved that Viv and Adam absolutely can write a scene in an adult cartoon (Viv did Zoophobia so I know she can do family-friendly stuff though Zoophobia wasn't that funny) with good jokes (not great but I can at least understand why some would laugh) without relying on swearing or sex jokes as punchlines, setups or even undertones. It just makes the first season's lazy humor look even worse cause apparently they do know how to do it right.

Like, this isn't amazing comedy or anything, but hell, at least I can see they're actually trying here. Decent comedy is all I'm asking from this universe.

[madamefeu]

I’m gonna say it, Stolas doesn’t love Blitzø, he’s obsessed with him. He enjoys the fantasy of a royal having a secret affair with a commoner, and he feels entitled to engage in this fantasy as and when he pleases without consequences. He knows that he makes Blitzø uncomfortable, and that he doesn’t really want to sleep with him, but he feels entitled to his body and his company anyway. And when he does the bare minimum and gives Blitzø a way out of their fucked up deal, he immediately feels entitled to Blitzø’s love. When his fantasy of being swept away by his ‘true commoner love’ is shattered by the reality that Blitzø doesn’t love him, he has the nerve to cry and play the victim, and act like Blitzø is a bad person for not loving him when all he has ever done is fetishise him for his race and sexually abuse him. Stolas thinks that he deserves Blitzø when he has done nothing to deserve him.

[azural83]

Viv's problem is that she acts like a stan of hellaverse rather the creator

[nutella4658]

I've commented this on yt but i'm gonna post it here too

it's about the way that Paimon treats his butler, even though he's supposedly a "shitty elitist father"

​ yk that part where Paimon says he doesn't want to "smell the poor"? There's a bleacher exclusive for Goetias and one for imps. Instead of the butler staying with the rest of the imps, maybe stretching his arm to keep Paimon's mirror away from them... he's there, in the Goetia bleacher with Stolas, not to mention that Paimon doesn't seem to care.

Now compare this to how Stella and Stolas treat their butler (I think his name is Pringles i'm not sure)

Ye, I understand that Stella is the irredeemable one of the relationship, and that's why she acts that way... but why does Stolas also treats him like trash? Not even Paimon did that dude. (Now I wonder if they'll bring Paimon back someday just to make him even more shitty and maybe retcon that bleacher scene)

[darwuzhere]

*posts my Octavia redesign that I'm going to reclaim as my oc and rename her Olivia*

A few things about her

13-14 y/o

She/Her (is also cool with They/Them)

Is questioning if she's gnc or non-binary

REALLY likes capri-suns (they're very much her comfort drink)

Wants to dress more gothic but can't due to their parents being very strict, so for the moment they just wear whatever makes them comfortable or looks good on them.

Makes the badges herself!

Aaaand that's very much it for now folks

[puppiiteeth]

why are people freaking out over a fan animation of a fucking adult show. it was a interesting plot device that the animator wanted to interpret.

also an odd thing i notice was that this animator also animated blitz being trampled yet it didn’t get as much attention or critique as w the stolas one. why is it different w the fucking bird.

grow up.