#HH says other people are heaven

[velvet-games]

I want to see Alastor and Vox become friends and collapse on a couch together giggling until they can’t breathe. is that too much to ask.

[luckycloverforducks]

Fuck it, HH swap AU

Their core personalities and backgrounds stay the same, it's mostly a role switch

Niffty <--> Husker

Angel Dust <--> Vaggie

Alastor <--> Charlie

(the typical for swap AUs, I know,,)

Everyone else stays the same

These r edits bc I was just figuring out their designs for the AU, I'll draw them normally another time (Husker isn't here cuz I can't find a good png of the mf)

In this AU Alastor started the hotel mostly because he randomly thought up the idea once and thought, "that's fucking hilarious, I'm doing that" + a secondary sentimental reason he'd kill me for saying (he got genuinely fully invested in the cause eventually)

He advertised it on his radio show suddenly out of the blue after 7 and a half years of radio (lol) silence. Alastor still owns Husker's and Niffty's souls but they're also obviously friends (or atleast close to it)

Also he can read tarot bc why not :3

Charlie is closer to her dad in this AU and more sheltered, adopting a more aloof, smug, and dangerous persona so sinners take her seriously, she also has a very slight condescending outlook towards sinners but she's at her core still compassionate and still views them as her people and want to protect them to a certain extent, and she still thinks the Exterminations are unnecessary and cruel, but she doesn't feel like she can do much about it since according to Lucifer's stories and discouragement, she knows heaven likely wouldn't listen much if at all, but when she heard of Alastor's little project it resparked hope in her and she decided to invest in it, becoming co-owner and funder for the hotel.

Angel Dust/Anthony never made a deal with Valentino and actually stayed in his family's crime/mafia business for the 1st half of him being in Hell, but his dad is a POS and kicked him out for being gay so he started doing s3x work, and then he met Alastor after he brutalized his harassers one day, and Angel wanted to repay the favor somehow. Alastor seems interested in him so they struck a deal (not a soul deal, just a simple deal) which has Angel/Anthony is under Alastors protection in exchange for Angel/Anthony's loyalty and assistance when needed (which is a rare case so Angel still feels like he owes Alastor). They grow friendly with time, and Alastor offers to have him be patient zero for his redemption project, and he accepted.

Vaggie/Vi is still a fallen exterminstor and still met Charlie the same way she did in the show, but after that they went their separate ways and Vi finds herself making a deal with Velvette. Instead of being a pornstar like Angel in the show, she is an influencer and a rockstar/singer, she does enjoy making music and playing the guitar but Velvette tends to overwork her and make her do things she doesn't really like for views/popularity. Velvette is the nicest to Vi/Vaggie compared to with her other employees (which isn't a very highly set bar tbh) but she also frequently break her boundaries.

Vi met Charlie again during one of her concerts and they got close and started dating. (Also one sided Velvette x Vaggie is sort of slightly maybe canon in this AU bc toxic Yuri is fun (and it's only fully one sided after Charlie and Vaggie/Vi started dating))

She helps manage the hotel when needed, but is honestly only there cause Charlie is.

Not much about Niffty changes tbh (she's perfect the way she is, utterly unhinged 😍) she's just a bit more mellowed out and less hyper (she's still hyper just not all the time like in the show) and she's also a bartender and has surprisingly good taste for alcohol, and also frequently makes borderline poisonous drinks while experimenting, but when she gets it right it's really good. Doesn't stop the others of being terrified of her drinks though

Husker is a more smiley and charming in this AU, using a laid back attitude to put people at ease and more willing to open up to him if they need to (he used to use the information people share as blackmail when he needs to back when he was an Overlord, although he never actually needs to spread anything, just threats), and he's still very observant but he's also slightly more unhinged- He's a sort of butler/cleaner for the hotel

He still gets grumpy time to time, but mostly when he's drunk, which isn't as often anymore ever since Niffty was put in charge of the bar (understandably so)

He has a bit of an anger issue and also gets annoyed easily, and sometimes makes unhinged threats as a sort of joke (they stop being much of a joke once you genuinely piss him off)

He likes things clean and tidy because it helps him pretend to be put together

He and Alastor are a bit friendlier compared to in the show, hes still one of the few people that knows more about Alastor, though hes still bummed about the whole being owned by Alastor thing (Husker can also read tarot to a lesser extent bc Al taught him for funzies and Husker thought it's interesting)

His gambling addiction is also ever so slightly worse

[barblaz-arts]

Were u a fan of HH when the pilot episode was first released?

I didn't like, participate in the fandom or anything, and I can't say I liked Hazbin itself at the time, because the crude and vulgar humor was a bit too much for my tastes and the songs in the pilot weren't for me, but I did like Chaggie enough to read fics at the time. I remember feeling so sad for Vaggie then, because the fics would be so angsty. Like i get it tho, because at the time the backstory we knew about her was that she was a victim of SA(among. Other things...) when she was alive, and although they were good fics, they sure were painful to read.

I didn't expect to make content for this fandom even after the actual show aired either. I thought I'd just be passively consuming other people's content like before, but Chaggie is so underappreciated even tho they were given plenty exposure despite all the other things happening in the show(the hotel's validity, Angel's development, overlord politics, morningstar family drama, Heaven vs Hell conflict). And seeing the fandom go so rabid over male characters and mlm ships that have barely any screentime or depth made me so frustrated, i had to proverbially roll up my sleeves and give the neglected girls the appreciation they deserve 😤

[chaifootsteps]

I have a personal issue with how people use SA in media. Like every single story I find about Fizzarolli has him, at some point, being SA or harassed and it's in this gross way that says nothing about the character and all about how they are needing and going to be "saved" by the romantic interest of the plot.

No hate to the criticism of Poison and Angel Dust in Hazbin, but the real issue is how AD's SA is just a narrative tool for him to be "saved" by Husk. Even the fans stating AD lives sex are completely wrong, because all he ever does is bitch and moan and whine over having sex all day and how much Val has him working. This isn't a job he enjoys, he's forced into it. His hypersexuality is a cover for the graphic sexual context they put him in and it's an excuse to shoehorn sex and fetish into the show when it really has no place there.

But worst of all, it only exists so Angel gets with Husk. Husk doesn't care about AD until he sees him get drugged and then victim blames him which makes them friends now I guess and AD is just so smitten because he's going to end up in a monogamous relationship and then he can be redeemed because poly and multiple partners, even in the case of forced sex work, is a sin according to Vivzie that is enough to bar you from heaven (but Pent grabbing Cheri and kissing her without consent is fine because heteronormative and misogynistic forms of sexuality are okay as long as they are monogamous).

Like sexploitation films like I Spit on Your Grave are more empowering than Hazbin. At least the victim gets revenge for herself and in doing so reclaims her identity and body by murdering her rapists. Viv and the fandom just sexually violate these characters to have a reason for some other character to save them and carry them away from all the bad things, fixing them as people through the power of true love like they are fucking 5 yr olds. The tonal issues of this show is fucking surreal.

If I Spit on Your Grave was played as a romcom, that would be HH/HB.

[sinner-sunflower]

A HH Lucifer-centric AU 10/?

PART 1, PART 2, PART 3, PART 4, PART 5, PART 6, PART 7, PART 8, PART 9, PART 11, PART 12, PART 13, PART 14, PART 15, PART 16, PART 17, PART 18, PART 19, PART 20, PART 21, PART 22

Yknow,

The more I think about it...

This is looking a lot more like an Infected AU.

P.S. already apologies for the Hamilton reference laksjdlksaj I couldn't help it.

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Lucifer is having a hard time breathing.

Beyond the safety border is a sea of red flowers of a kind Lucifer has never seen before in his lifetime. They seem to have sprouted from the crawling roots.

The King of Hell would've even said it was beautiful- he would've been in awe what with the flowers shimmering under Sloth's source of light creating serene waves whose sounds can lull one to sleep.

He would have.. if it weren't for what's coming out of it.

A thick, black miasma is seeping its way out of the flowers' mouths causing the suffocating air in the previously cleanest place in all of hell.

Roo's presence is more prominent than ever. Belphegor and her people at the site are all wearing masks to protect themselves from the dark mist.

Belphegor's voice makes him come down from the skies.

Belphegor: Lucifer!

Lucifer: What is this?

Belphegor: Sloth lost power for an hour which we guess is Roo's doing. When it came back... all these flowers were here. Most inhaled a bit of the miasma but no immediate effects. We have required everyone to put on a mask to be sure. With the sudden onset of this presumably toxic air, evacuation to Lust is starting earlier than expected.

Lucifer: That's good.

Belphegor: The sealing ritual will start in a day or two. Satan wants to be sure there are no more surprises once we start.

Lucifer: He's right. t will just be a waste of time and resources.

Belphegor: ...Lucifer?

Lucifer: Hmm?

Belphegor: Will I lose your respect if I admit that I'm afraid?

Lucifer turns to his old friend (sibling, really), eyes growing soft.

Lucifer: As long as you won't lose yours for me.

Belphegor: You're afraid?

Lucifer: Yes. Just like I was when I rebelled against heaven. Or when I was made King of Hell. Or when Charlie was born. I'm as afraid now as I was before.

Belphegor: Oh..

Lucifer: Am I worth any less to you now?

Belphegor: No! Of course not! You will always be my, our, King. When you say jump, we ask how high. If you wish to go to war with Heaven, we shall ask when.

Lucifer smiles a bit. He was just teasing Belphegor. He and the Sins have endured Hell's greatest hardships together- he doesn't think he can lose respect for any of them if they tried.

Lucifer: Then there's my answer.

Belphegor: I- thank you.

Lucifer: I have to get going now. The sooner I find her, the sooner I can get back.

Belphegor: Are you sure that she will provide assistance for Hell's problems?

Lucifer: Let me worry about that.

Belphegor: Of course, do be careful on your journey, Lucifer.

Lucifer: Thanks, Bel.

Lucifer mimics opening a curtain to create a portal to the living world. He's about to go through when the Sin of Sloth calls his name once more.

Belphegor: Lucifer!

His sister gives him a deep bow. Murmurs around them spur as the people of Sloth have never seen their Prince act like this before. Lucifer can't blame them, it's not like he and the Sins ever interact in public. They don't know that Belphegor and the others always make sure to show Lucifer their loyalty to him.

Belphegor: I- we- have the greatest honor to be your obedient servant.

Lucifer looks around and sees that all the people have followed suit in bowing.

Lucifer: And I you.

And with that, he finally leaves Hell.

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The moment Lucifer sets foot on Earth is a whiplash. It has been a while since he even ventured outside of Hell despite being allowed to- too guilty to leave because if the souls his actions had dammed to hell can't, then he too shouldn't-

He feels the cool breeze caress his face and play with his wings like a child would. There are birds up on the trees singing, fish in the nearby pond splashing, and then a few deers looking at him with curious eyes. Wow, Alastor's still following him.

Lucifer casts an invisibility spell on himself and prepares to fly. Once he was up in the sky, he took in one last appreciative look at the scene.

Lucifer: You've grown, Eden.

He says to no one and leaves.

A gust of strong winds suddenly blows through the forest below, causing the animals to sing their sounds along with the rustling leaves of the trees and grass.

If the fallen angel stayed a while longer, maybe he would've heard the wind utter a reply.

'We've missed you, dear angel.'

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What to look forward to in Part 11:

Luci's thoughts as he travels around Earth.

The meetup

[cosmonadarovicarts]

Series/webtoons if you like Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss

Lovely hell

I'll start right away with the probably least known AND best of all - at least in terms of being similar to the universe of HH and HB-.

"Tanz, a powerful creature of pure evil, is vanished to Earth agaist her will. Weak and without a plan, she'll have to rely to Cain, a human, to guide her throught the world and figure a way back to her home: Hell."

First of all, it's a webtoon, so you can read it for free on Webtoon! Created by Tita (stage name Lorsupp), the story takes place in the present day. our protagonists are biblical characters (I won't give spoilers about who Tanz is. Cain, you guys must have already understood...).

This webtoon deserves much more recognition! the story is organic and well-paced, funny and tense when necessary. The characters are super charismatic and have chemistry, the Lore of Hell is super interesting and with a different approach from HH/HB. I love the character design - you can see the evolution of the author's traits as the chapters go by.

It's great to see other ways of approaching well-known characters -like the Jewish/Christian angels and demons-. A emphasis for Gabriel, ahhh this character hahah Anyway, this webtoon is the one I most recommend!

You can read it -> Webtoon account

When Instagram starts working again, I'll share the creator's account here!

Vilanius

This series - with just a few episodes left - is a Mexican animation released for Cartoon Network. Compared to HH's type of humor, here it is much more toned down, as it is aimed at a younger audience.

"Villainous is the story of Black Hat Org., run by Black Hat (whose name is synonymous with villain, a reference to the evil black-hatted cowboys of Western films) and his team of three less evil sidekicks. Black Hat is trying to sell various evil inventions created by Dr. Flug and is desperate to fulfill his evil aspirations. However, things often end badly for him, as brilliant innovations tend to have small and often comical flaws."

The lore has nothing related to the Hell, but it still focuses on the evil side of the story. I love the character designs, very similar to HH. It's worth checking out, even more Latin animation!

The Good Place

A series already consolidated and finished. One of my favorites on Netflix!

Even though it's not exactly Heaven and Hell, the concept is very similar. but what stands out here is the philosophical debate about what is right and wrong, how to be a good person in a world marked by individualism, competition and exploitation so that a person can have the basics to survive? -neoliberalism cough cough-.

"Eleanor Shellstrop wakes up to discover that she has died and entered the afterlife. But when she is told by her mentor Michael that she is in the "Good Place" because of her good deeds, helping to get innocent people off death row, she realizes that a mistake has been made because the people They think she is someone else with the same name."

Question about existentialism, ethics and the meaning of life debated in a fun way! A quick comparison to Bojack Horseman, a series that I love. in The Good Place, the existentialism, life and death are treated in a much more optimistic and... beautiful way, while in Bojack it is pessimistic and heavy. the debates on human existence can have lighter conclusions - this is not a criticism of Bojack, just a different approach.

Guardians of the Mansion of Horror

This recommendation won't have a personal review because... I still need to watch it! but I saw so many people recommending it, saying that it has good LGBT+ representation that I thought it would be interesting to bring it here. If anyone has already watched it and wants to say something about it...

"Guardians of the Mansion of Horror follows friends Barney and Norma as they work at a theme park during the summer. The two take the night shift and are responsible for organizing the place while it is empty. What they didn't expect is that this fun place is actually an interdimensional portal to hell. Suddenly, several supernatural creatures appear to haunt the Earth and the two friends must join forces to stop them. To do this, they receive help from the talking dog, Pugsley."

Inside Job

Here we have the biggest injustice in the history of Netflix, the cancellation of this series! I brought it here because of their type of acidic and critical humor towards society - not that this criticism is present in HH-. An adult animation, with swear words and the same irreverent touch as HH, following the shadow side of society.

"A dysfunctional team working in a hidden government department is tasked with keeping conspiracies around the secret world. From complicated attacks to secret societies, anti-social technology genius Reagan Ridley will need to work in a place full of shapeshifting reptilians and psychic mushrooms, at the same time as she must deal with an unbalanced father, in order to achieve the dream she dreams of. promotion."

Emphasis to the animation itself and the character design. When it comes to other species, we have unique designs, they even resemble the design of demons in HH.

irreverent, intelligent and humorous. 🤌

Good Omens

It's almost a rule, if you watched Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss, you also watched Good Omens!

For those who have never given the series a chance, here are some reasons to watch it now: Inspired by Neil Gaiman's work - and approved by him! -!. It is focused entirely on this universe of Jewish/Christian characters - and it is possible to see how well they are studied! There are references that only those who have studied demology or the sacred writings of these religions will understand-

The first season has a wonderful rhythm with captivating characters - the second lacks this a little. The angel and devil couple are super charismatic and you root for them.

Watching some of the biblical events from the point of view of the questioning and sinister demon Crowley and the good lamb Aziraphale is wonderful!

[hellaversity]

Look, I can understand where people are coming from when they criticize the portryal of the female characters in Helluva Boss.

But extending that same criticism to Hazbin Hotel is where I draw the fucking line.

Hazbin literally has a female protagonist with her own independant goal, who has to work hard for it because people constantly belittle her ideas and beliefs, and eventually gets proven right when it works in the end. Charlie tried to do what was thought impossible, and accomplished it when Sir Pentious gets ascended to heaven. Her love interest has her own backstory before meeting Charlie, where she used to work for the same exorcists who are responsible for nearly driving Charlie's people to extinction and almost making her fail to redeem anyone at the hotel. Vaggie kept this a secret from Charlie since they met, and Charlie feels betrayed by Vaggie to the point of not feeling like she should trust her anymore until it gets resolved. Vaggie has more characterizarion in season 1 of Hazbin alone than Millie does in the entirety of Helluva Boss pre-Hell's Belle's.

Lute is one of the main antagonists. She contributed just as much to the genocide as Adam did, is openly bigoted like Adam, has more common sense than Adam, is the only exorcist with a name, is just as much of a threat to the hotel as Adam is and most of all she survives while he doesn't. Sera approved of the genocide, but felt guilty about it because Adam would've probably killed her or something, which Emily calls her out on regardless. Speaking of Emily, she joins Charlie in on calling heaven out for their hypocrisy and literally says she detests being treated like a child.

Velvette is no less evil than the other two Vees. She sells love potions (aka date rape drugs) and treats her employees cruelly just like they do. She also disrepected the other overlords without giving two shits. Carmilla wasn't having any of Velvette's BS, is protective of Zestial, literally killed an exorcist (despite angels being much more powerful than demons, so that's pretty impressive on it's own) to protect her daughters and figured out that Vaggie was a fallen angel just by knowing what her choice of weapon was. She encouraged Vaggie to fight for the whole hotel, not just for Charlie. Cherri Bomb has an interesting rivalry with Sir Pentious in the pilot that eventually grows into a healthy relationship, and she goes against Valentino just to help and comfort Angel Dust in the Addict music video. Sadly she doesn't do much after that, but at least she got to participate in fighting for the hotel in The Show Must Go On, so it's better than nothing I suppose.

Rosie is one of the few people who Alastor has a genuine friendship with. She played a big part in Charlie trying to give a speech to Cannibal Town, and encouraged her to trust Vaggie again. Mimzy, while I dislike her, is the whole reason why the plot of Dad Beat Dad even happened. She tried to use her friendship with Alastor to get herself out of trouble, so the episode techically wouldn't of happened without her. It's also telling that Alastor didn't eat her or try to kill her for screwing things up, since he's done just that to others for much less. Even Niffty, who's mostly just there for comic relief, is another character who Alastor gets along with. He may own her soul, but he's a lot nicer to her than he is to Husk, who he keeps on a chain and abuses in a not-so-different way that Valentino does to Angel Dust, only without SA involved. Niffty is also the one who kills Adam in the end, so there you go.

That's a BUNCH more than what can be said for most of the ladies in Helluva. (Most of whom I also like, but their writing really does leave something to be desired, though it does seem to be slightly improving with the Hell's Belles short and the promise of a Millie focused episode in Ghostfuckers.) For the record I don't think the writing for the female characters in HH is perfect by any means, but it's a far cry from being anywhere near as bad as HB like many antis claim it is. I think they just say that shit because HB takes place in the same universe as Hazbin and both shows were created by the same person, (aka the guilt by association fallacy) or they just think Vivzie can't do anything right no matter what she does.

[kaledya]

Hello again !

Oh okay I understand!

Thank you for the explanation! Things make sense in that type it follow more the show seasons development. I forgot that in your SS AU Luci and Charlie are in a bad place. It will help (Not me panicking because Constantine come sooner and I always plan a VERY slow burn romance between him and Lolicia. Ahhh. So excited. Anyway) The more important is that Lucifer and Serenity coming later. Heaven arc last. I get it !

I will take care of your advices 🌸 So greatest showman mini arc incoming let's go!

Ps : glad you like my drawings!🌸 Thank you even if its not the best. Promise I will try to not butcher Constantine and Serenity fanarts ahah

Have a nice day! -marquisev

Hİ!

And I'm really glad to know that I could explain it properly! I hope I could help!

And yes, they are on bad terms right now, generally because Lucifer can't put his pride aside and admitted his mistake, or because he thinks knew what was best for Charlie and saying her plan is Unreasonable and far from reality .He doesn't even let Charlie explain herself and is upset about the fight they had the last time they met. Charlie thinks,

"He won't listen to me anyway, why am I trying any harder?"

Lucifer, on the other hand, cannot go to his daughter and admit that she is wrong, again because of his pride.

(This idea is seriously a wip, I didn't think of that arc in detail ) but when Lucifer comes to the hotel, Alastor criticizes him as a father.(Because by this time, Alastor has been spending a lot of time with Charlie, and they even fight back to back at one point. He can understand Charlie's relationship with Lucifer from her behavior.)

Extra: (Their current reaction is not the same as in this post, I drew this post before I started writing my AU, Alastor does not try to make fun of Constantine in any way (he knows what will happen if he does, he logically does not want to push his luck).)

And after this encounter and some events in between And after a long and touching conversation between Lucifer and Charlie, Their relationship is getting better. In my mind, this scene reminds me of the scene between Joel and Ellie in Last of Us 2.

But they still love each other sincerely. Lucifer was in a bad mood due to Lilith's disappearance and this widened the gap between them.But if they sit down and talk, they won't have much of a problem with time.

OH MY GOD REALLY?? I'm seriously already excited about how you're going to write their interactions! And I have full confidence that you will write a great slow burn romance. I can't wait to see their dynamics.

And yes, Constantine arrives at a time similar to when Lucifer arrives in the series.

Yes!, but it's not too early, I don't have an exact timeline, but seriously important events are happening at the hotel, maybe Angel is getting rid of Val.After the people in the hotel really start to trust each other and show their character development.

The reason I think this is because Charlie invited her brother over to show him her progress.For this, there was a need for arcs in which the team would experience character development.

Yes, Serenity comes to the hotel after the hotel's case with the Vees and after a while, at the right time, she reveals her identity to Alastor .Lucifer arrives shortly after this event.After this there is a heaven arc and the planning is this after this event it's completely blank page, I really don't know what will happen next.

And as I said before, you don't have to follow what I wrote, be free. This is your story.

And believe me, I love your drawing style, I think you draw very well.

And I'm really excited for the next arc!

By the way, I read the latest episodes. It was very nice to read Husk and Lolicia's interactions and I find Charlie's activity very creative!

And Lolicia's new outfit has a really interesting and creative design I love it! And reading that you were inspired by Baldurs Gate 3 really surprised me and brought back memories.I take that outfit in House of Hope too and after wearing it, Gale's comment made me laugh a lot😂

[dididi11]

I dont plan to get back into HH, but here are some things that have triggered me and that ik sure alot of people can agree on:

1. I feel like Charlie's idea of redemption can be seen through alot of perspectives. HOWEVER- what she specifically wants is to redeem EVERY soul. Now there's a reason to why hell exists, it's made for people who have done terrible things in their life, which is why they get banished to Hell in the first place. We may not know when a soul is actually pure enough to get redeemed- BUT we do know what you would have to be to end up in Hell. Murderers, RÆpists, Cannibals, Paedophiles- just all of those in the horrible category most definitely DON'T deserve a second chance. And even if they somehow did get redeemed, how would the victims in Heaven feel? Heaven is the place where they're supposed to feel safe- So how the hell do you expect to put them in the same place together without any conflicts? If you truly want to get the right people into Heaven, then you should background check every single Sinner throughly.

2. Adam- We all love love him and hate him, but there is one person to blame for when it comes to his Character: Vivziepop. I feel like she used the "Annoying Villain who doesn't care about anything that the protagonist has to say and is just downright badly written" trope way to often. He could've had so much potential to be a good written Character that would actually explain to Charlie why sinners just can't be redeemed. It just felt unnecessary to only let him be a douchebag, sing his song (which was banger don't get me wrong-) and shorten their time by 6 months for the next extermination to cause Charlie another COMPLETELY unnecessary problem. And all that for NO reason, "Yeah, but that's because he's a douch-" And that's exactly my point, why waste your time and effort on a basic ahh character if he's going to be a just an ordinary douche anyway? The first Season would've been so much more interesting if we actually had a logical explanation to why others are against of Charlie's idea. But no, instead all we get is "ahahaha, Sinners are stupid. They deserve Hell." Also why the Hell did Adam shorten the time for the extermination by 6 months?? It felt so unnecessary, They probably felt like the first Season would've been boring without any Action- and I'm pretty sure they could've made a different Scene that was also Epic without it not making sense.

2. ADAM AGAIN- I don't want this to be just about Adam, but since he is dead (BY FUCKING NIFFTY I HATE HER) and maybe wont come back- since we don't know if he'll get respawned..what kind of punishment will Lucifer specifically receive? To clarify things, Lucifer had disobeyed the rules of Heaven and Hell, he helped his daughter and her friends kill off half of the exorcists and even threatened them to retreat. And the worst part of all of this is that he would've killed Adam if Charlie hadn't stopped him. Even though Adam was killed by NIFFTY, I'm pretty sure the blame would be put on Lucifer instead of some Sinner. So what will happen if they try to communicate with Heaven again? They literally killed the first human of mankind created by God himself. Honestly at that point it would be a pretty huge deal and Charlie's redemption idea wouldn't even be looked into.

2. Emily and Charlie- I hate how none of the Characters genuinely understand the ACTUAL purpose of the extermination. It's to prevent Hell from gaining to much power, that's why they need to make sure to kill off half of the population. It was never about the redemption of Sinners, so Charlie shouldn't even think about canceling off the extermination. I also get why Emily is mad at Sera for lying to her, but the fact that she immediately joined Charlie's side without even thinking trough the entire thing is just downright dumb.

3. I feel like there's more to talk about, I just don't know what.

[flower-boi16]

Let's Dissect Hate Comments on ArtecieTB's Standom video

For those who don't know, @arteicetb made a video about Viv's fandom. Specifically the toxic side of the fandom that shuns any of all criticism of both HH and HB. And, unsurprisingly, she got a few hate comments on that video and thought It would be to dissect and make fun of them.

NOTE: DO NOT ATTACK ANY OF THE PEOPLE I AM RESPONDING TO.

So these three comments are from the same person about the whole Alastor Voodoo controversy. The first one is the user trying to point out hypocrisy by saying that's bad to depict Voodoo as bad but criticizing Christianity is ok and saying that critics are hypocritical for that....

....even though Christianity itself as a religion has received criticism for MANY years due to it including things like homophobia, violence, corruption, bigotry, and a bunch of other not-great things about it. The reason why people don't like Voodoo being portrayed as bad is because it's a RACIST STEREOTYPE of it. Christianity is a religion where there are things about it to criticize, meanwhile, Voodoo doesn't have much wrong with it and is generally positive, and people are frustrated that a positive practice is always portrayed in a bad light.

The next comment is the user saying Alastor is mixed race and saying Articie should just "get over it"...I don't know how that's supposed to counter this argument lmao.

And the last comment is the user saying that there are bad Voodoo practices as if that debunks the fact that Voodoo being evil is a racist stereotype which is WHY people are criticizing this. There's also the fact that Arteice literally explained how making Alastor a bad Voodoo practitioner can work. Also, the user is just implying that Voodoo is evil with that comment? Like?

Now let's get into the next comment, which is another one involving the Alastor Voodoo stuff:

First, this user says that anybody who has a problem with Voodoo being depicted as evil are "idiots", completely disregarding people's actual reasons for why they have a problem with this due to it being a racist stereotype as I've already said. They then point out the "Hell good Heaven bad" thing as a counter-argument when, again, Christianity has been criticized for years for being a religion with many problems while Voodoo is an entirely innocent religion being unfairly demonized.

Now we have labeling Cartoonshi as bad faith even though he's himself is a FAN OF THE SHOW!

And this one is just assuming misogyny for some reason? What???? Also, you can bring up MANY male figures online to debunk this user's bullshit.

There are probably more comments like this but I'm only focusing on the deranged ones. Anyways, Viv stans are dumb, see ya.

[mrfleshwizard]

I saw you anti-Lore olympus. We can tell lucifer is penelope od situation a innocent cinnamol who can't do no wrong, despite therir actions show outside. I bet all my money his family would demeter because How they dare to punish him! Lilith/hades a slavery ,and one day he would becaome kingdom of heaven without he earn redeption or learning to be better person. So charlie can play with sinners as dolls

Well, I don't hate only on HH/HB, but also on many other things. LO is one of them. I hated this comic way before HH and now I hated it more. I can't even treating it as a enjoyable brainrot and grow attached to the characters like I do with HH (exepct from Minthe, she deserves so much better).

I see it how the elderls, Lucifer's brother and God would be blamed for punishing Lucifer, becouse hE oNlY tRiEd To HeLp HuMaNiTy aNd wAs HoPeLeSs DrEaMer!!!!!

If once again I see somebody saying "one mistake and fallen" or something like that I'm going beast mode.

Maybe Lucifer had right that "Heaven never listens" but also he messed up do badly. He ruined EVERYTHING for stupid reason.

Talking about LO. I read the rant about this comic long time ago, but I remember some things. One of them was the fact that Persephone commited GENOCIDE ON INNOCENT HUMANS BECOUSE THEY KILLED HER FRIEND.

She never was punished and people who call her, Hades or other horrible people in this comic but Rachel ARDORES were the bad ones and punished.

For example: A nymph made an secret picture of Persephone, he work as paparazzi. And I agree that paparazzi are bad but Hades kidnapped the guy and cut off his eye and Perse did NOTHING about it! Like huh????

[sapphic-agent]

I'M BACK WITH MY HAZBIN HOTEL BS!

I think one way Vaggie could be saved as a character is if in one of the later seasons she ventures through Hell to find other Fallen Angels like herself and wants to either help them get redeemed or find a place in Hell.

This would provide Vaggie the character growth she desperately needs AND would help give her an identity outside of Charlie.

Plus it's super unrealistic that Vaggie seems to be the ONLY Fallen Angel in Hell when there could clearly be more.

I've actually wondered whether Vaggie can really be counted as Fallen before.

When Lucifer Fell, it was dictated by Heaven. It's unclear as to who was behind it (God himself, probably, or Lucifer's other siblings if they exist in HH), but we see him and Lilith banished. He Fell because he brought sin and evil onto Earth, disobeying Heaven's will.

In comparison, Vaggie's banishment to Hell is a lot different. Her wings were ripped off (interesting to note that Lucifer still has his) and she was abandoned and outcast by the Exterminators.

I'm going to say something crazy and make the claim that Vaggie never actually Fell. I just feel like Adam doesn't have the authority to do so. And if she really was Fallen, could he really give her a place back in Heaven like he offered to do so?

Also, Vaggie still bleeds gold blood. Lucifer doesn't bleed, so it's hard to compare to him, but I'm assuming his has been red since he Fell. That's just speculation on my part.

I think the Exterminators just abandoned Vaggie in Hell, I don't think she's an actual Fallen Angel.

(Viv or any other crew members might have confirmed that she did and I'm wrong, in that case disregard this)

BUT ANYWAY I got off track.

I agree! It would be nice to see Vaggie find Fallen Angels and either find a place for them at the hotel or reflect on how they've adjusted to life in Hell. Some people think Carmilla is one, which is a theory I actually like a lot. Unlike the other Overlords she seems less bloodthirsty and has more penchant for kindness (I know Rosie). It would also explain why she made an Angelic Weapon for herself and knew the Angels' weakness (fighting like they can't get hurt).

She also just looks less like a demon, I guess. Now that I'm looking at her, she actually shares more similarities with Vaggie and Lute than any other demon in Hell. The grayish skin, the white hair. Even their face shapes seem a bit similar. But hey, that's just a theory, a film theory.

This would make her interactions with Vaggie a lot more meaningful

[theyapper0]

In your origins post for HH you said that Charlie sees the people of hell as beneath her. does this include Vaggie?

THI S IS SUCH A GOOD QUESTION!!! THANK U ANON!!

(BTW Anon is referring to the tail end of this post😋)

So in this, I think even when Charlie still believed that Vaggie was just an ordinary Sinner, she saw Vaggie as close to an equal as I think she could see a mortal. Which is saying a LOT!

As we know with my Charlie, she's got some,,,,, warped views on humans/mortals/Sinners. I mean, she grew up basically seeing and treating them as THINGS. They were just objects to torture for her entertainment, to play with and hurt and touch and do WHATEVER she wanted to because they weren't STRONG ENOUGH to STOP her.

And I think that despite Charlie learning that it was wrong to treat ANYONE like that, it's still a very surface level understanding. Like yeah sure, she knows that it's not good because it hurts them and GOOD PEOPLE don't hurt others but... it's a very FORCED morality that she's taking up.

This isn't to say I don't think Charlie is good, she IS! But The good things Charlie is done because thats what she knows good people DO and she believes that if she does enough good, she may actually become a good person.

I think it's another reason why her and Vaggie click so well. They both have these twisted views on goodness, how actions could potentially make someone good as opposed to their mindset. It's why they both don't see anything WRONG with the hotel and why they both really wanna do it, because it's a GOOD thing and GOOD PEOPLE do GOOD THINGS.

But Charlie does, without even REALIZING it to be honest, sees Sinners as less then. Kinda like how most of us view insects, like yeah, they're living breathing creatures and it won't really change our lives if we kill one but NO! DON'T KILL IT! JUST THROW IT OUTSIDE!!!! YOU CAN'T KILL IT!!! That's Charlie.

Sinners are like cute little bugs that she wants to take outside instead of kill (I.E redeem them so they can go to Heaven and avoid Exterminations and eternal damnation)

BUT ANYWAY!!! Yeah, I think that despite this is how Charlie unknowingly views humans, Vaggie.... is different. Vaggie is EVERYTHING, she is every amazing word you could possibly think of to describe someone.

(This is where Charlie is like her dad. Because even though Lucifer HATESSS humans, Lilith was always the exception)

When Charlie found out that Vaggie was an angel, things got.... confusing.

Because Vaggie wasn't just some poor Sinner, she wasn't just the most perfect human Charlie's ever met.

Vaggie was an angel. An angel that's HURT her people.

But Charlie used to hurt her people too.

AND THAT IS VERY CONFUSING FOR HER!!!! But now I'm getting off topic! I was thinking of maybe writing a fanfic of the aftermath of Welcome to Heaven (my version LOL) and it would TOTALLY dive into all that good stuff but YEAH!!!

In short, Charlie sees basically everyone as below her without even realizing it BUT is a huge hypocrite like her father and the only exception of course, is Vaggie

People are weird.

[lime-bucket]

I don't want Cain and abel because it would be a supeficial story with plot holes in HH.

Abel not being in heaven, probabily he was bad person!Or divine judgement doesn't work, despite the fact it saved Ser pent and all people in hell deserve being here.

Smart solution from fandom, Abel was waiting for his family, he refused to enter until someone came.

HH!cain daddy inssue probabily bastard of lucifer, who would still good guy despite having use Eve and left his first born with abuser(adam)

Fandom: Adam and demon!Cain have complex relanship but love each other/cain hates adam but he doesn't. Or most interesting one Cain redeems himself in his life and earn heaven, for that adam believe sinners give up redeeption because they are bad peoplewho don't change while time Cain could.

And or couse all HH!Children of adam would hate him ,so nobody would care his death, only exocists. When it is more probabily they are grow up adults with their life, and soit is normal they don't pass so much time with each other, you know adam treat his children like adults!

Wow dude u raised some interesting ideas.no offense tho i felt revolted when u mentioned that abel would be "bad all this time😱😡!?" Cuz thats absolutly smth the writers would have conjured & thats soooo original.not saying im any better cus i too have the hc that all the children of adam would hate him or maybe cain might have a complex relationship w/ his dad lmao.still the concept that cain managed to get to heaven was very interesting,& it would indeed make his dad & the angels feel more prejudiced against sinners cuz if the first killer was forgiven then why those who came after him wont try to better themselves?

howevr i didnt understand abel refusing to enter heaven till his fam join him,did u meant hes still wondering earth as a ghost?

But back to the first idea it got me thinking abt another reason why abel wasnt featured in hh & its cuz his presence would have the plot twist that angels dont know what makes a person go to heaven not making a lick of sense.all across abrahamic lore its stated clearly that abel was favored by god becuz his offering was sincere & from the heart unlike his brother.so in hindsight, adam of all ppl should have known what gets one accepted to paradise becuz his son was technically the first pious worshipper of god🤷🏻‍♀️

[sinner-sunflower]

A HH Lucifer-centric AU 8/?

PART 1, PART 2, PART 3, PART 4, PART 5, PART 6, PART 7, PART 9, PART 10, PART 11, PART 12, PART 13, PART 14, PART 15, PART 16, PART 17, PART 18, PART 19, PART 20, PART 21, PART 22

I was going to make them reconcile but then decided last minute to just give more angst.

I'd like to think that the decades-long daddy issues warrant constant blowouts. Like redemption, working over it takes time.

We'll get there. Eventually.

(Lowkey projecting my daddy issues)

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Maybe this was a bad idea.

Lucifer is standing in front of his daughter's bedroom door. He was so confident walking from his tower, wanting to resolve the current animosity Charlie has for him. Just thinking about getting yelled at and hearing he's hated by his own child is making him reconsider.

He knocks. No answer. He knocks again. And again. And again.

The king feels his eyes burning. Charlie doesn't want to talk to him and he's actually going to cry.

This is worse than any punishment Heaven has given me.

Surely Charlie wouldn't care if he just up and disappeared without saying goodbye, right? The Alastor in his head telling him that Charlie doesn't hate him is wrong and maybe she's just out and can you just be quiet for once, how are you still so talkative in my head???

Yes, yes. He should go now. He needs to find her as soon as possible. All of hell is in danger and definitely not because confrontation scares him. He's the fucking king-

Charlie: Dad?

Lucifer turned so fast towards the voice, that it made him a bit dizzy.

Told you, Your Majesty. He can hear the smugness of brain-conjured Alastor. Prick.

Lucifer: Charlieeeee!!!! Haha. What uh, what are you doing here?

He cringes. 10,000 years and he's still so shit at talking. This is his daughter Fatherdamnit!

Charlie: Uh. It's my room? Were you,,, looking for me?

He wants to conjure up a portal and run but Charlie's face is beaming with hope. He'd take every hate in the world before hurting his daughter further.

Lucifer: Y-yes! I was just about to knock. Ha- I uhm.

There was an awkward pause before they both spoke up at the same time.

Charlie: Can we talk about the other day?

Lucifer: I'm leaving, Charlie.

The father and daughter stood stunned. Charlie was the first to recover, sporting now a devastated, desperate look.

Charlie: What?! You're leaving??

Lucifer: It's related to the whole Roo situation. I need to leave soon but I didn't want to go without telling you. It might take me a while that's why... until my return, you'll be handling Pride in my stead. The other Sins will look after hell, you just have to focus on Pride.

Charlie: No! Dad, you can't be serious. You're leaving me again?

Lucifer: What? No! Charlie. I need to do this or hell will-

Charlie: Is this really about Hell? You never cared before, Mom was the one who cared about our home and our people. Have I done something?

Lucifer: Charlie, no, of course not-

Charlie: Then why do you keep running away from me?! Why do you keep leaving?...

He was right. I should've just left.

What's happening? Is this Roo's doing? Why do they keep fighting? Why do they keep hurting each other?

The eyes on the hotel walls are judging him.

Lucifer: I don't. Charlie, you have to understand. I've never- Your mother and I- You-.... I'm sorry. I don't have the right words.

Lucifer reaches out to touch his sobbing daughter, but he pulls his hand back. He doesn't deserve to touch her.

His phone dings with a message from Belphegor.

Text from Bel: Good evening, Lucifer. Please come by Sloth before you leave for Earth. Something-

He doesn't read it all before sending a confirmation to Bel.

Lucifer: Time is not on our side, Charlie. If I wasn't sure that this being would help immensely, I wouldn't bother leaving to look for them. Even if you think otherwise, I trust you with Pride and its duties. I.. I'm not good with words but- just know. The greatest gift by Father is having you as my daughter.

Charlie looks up at him, tears still falling from her eyes.

Lucifer: Love ya, kiddo.

Then he disappears in a flurry of red and gold.

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What to look for in Part 9:

it will be a Charlie chapter after Lucifer leaves.

[pleasantspark]

#001: Steven Universe vs Hazbin Hotel

If there's one thing that the HH Fandom HATES is the fact you DARE compare our LOVELY SHOW TO THAT HORRIBLE GEM LESBIAN SHOW.

Well, even though both shows suck, it's obvious which ones the better one (spoiler: it's not hazbin.)

Pink Diamond vs Angel Vaggie Reveal

The most controversial thing to have ever happened in the SU Fandom was The QuartzGate.

In Season 5, A Single Pale Rose, we are met with the most shocking reveal that our lovely Rose Quartz was duping everyone and playing both sides, we've gotten to several seasons a fully fledged movie and epilogue series while also showing good character development and not being a burden.

The reason why the Pink Diamond reveal was leagues better than Vaggie's "Secret" is that we get a taste of what Rose Quartz's story was like before and after her defact. Although the fandom demonizes Rose to an extent, she atleast TRIED to redeem herself unlike most characters in Hazbin.

Compared to Vaggie's Angel reveal, we got a slap in the face from a semi irrelevent character who serves as a point to recreate a scene from Sworn To The Sword while also mashing up the goat song "Stronger Than You" and "Do It For Him/Her" while also trying to teach Vaggie a lesson on protecting those she LOVES despite the fact she should KNOW how to protect someone she loves, instead we're left with Vaggie being victimized by her doormat entitled girlfriend who has NO idea on how the real world works, who was coddled and continued to be coddled by her absent mother and victimized father (yes, Lucifer's depression in my eyes as a person with the issue, is used atleast in my opinion as a scapegoat to abolish all responsibilities that our Little Boy did. Once AGAIN using mental health to fucking excuse shit.)

White Diamond esque Seraphim Character

On the topic of Hazbin Hotel SHOULDN'T BE COMPARED TO MIDEVAN MIDVERSE, we have two fuckers who are completely the SAME except ones a Alien and the other ones an Angel. Both have similar worldviews and gaslighting methods that put Mother Gothel to shame.

Both have a insane worldview, trying to "convince" the person challanging them that what they are doing is "correct" while also talking and condoning the genocide of beings that are somewhat the same as them.

The major difference is, White Diamond wanted to kill her own kind because of the major imperfections they posed (I.E. Offcolor, Uselessness, Fusion without purpose, or even defects), while Sera was driven by the need to protect heaven despite the fact that Heaven has weapons designed to HARM them.

Weapons curated by their kind being used against them

Both shows are primarily shown fighting against people who are seen as "bad" and they have weapons to stave off them!

But the weapons are shown to have been effective on the victims as they are on the perpetrators, starting with the SU weapons.

In The Return Jasper used this weapon against Garnet and the Crystal Gems, showing that THESE WEAPONS were FORGED against them.

They are WELL aware of the effects.

In the Steven Universe Movie. This is ALSO apparent.

This was wielded by Spinel (who is voiced by Mimzy's actor by the way). And was used against the gems.

Lastly, but the most important weapon of them all.

This baby, is said AND BELIEVED to be effecting in GAME ENDING a Gem, these weapons are ALWAYS said to have been effective in causing harm to their own kind...

But Hazbin...

"Wait, Angels can be killed by Angelic Weapons?"

Bruh, what the fuck? They were made by their own fucking weapons. You THINK they'd be smart to NOT leave their weapons behind and give Hell an idea?

Nope, this all seems like a convenient copout to pull out their ass, while making the main cast extremely OOC to explain their slowness on the subject.

And the icing on the cake?

Fucking, Charlie had the galls to say...

"Oh, yeah, you wouldn't tell me if you knew."

Vaggie's a fucking victim of a traumatic injury, fucking victim blaming bitch.

Chaggie's Argument vs Stevonnie's Breakup

For now, I am gonna end this post with this comparison, Charlie and Vaggies argument compared to Steven and Connie's arguement is VASTLY different but are both handled differently as well.

For starters, Charlie and Vaggie ONLY argued to give them a reason to "fix things" and it's started because Vaggie kept a secret she had a reason to, basically ONCE AGAIN victimizing someone who went through a traumatic encounter in ORDER to cause the most amount of sympathy for someone who was born with a silver spoon in her ass.

But I hear you say. "Vaggie lied! Charlie had EVERY right to be mad! This can be used to HELP the Hotel!" Charlie may have a right to be mad, but that's Vaggie's trauma she was offended at her keeping. Apparently it's okay to act entitled because your partner has a secret involving being assaulted brutally and not telling you about her past, because "I NEEDED TO KNOW!" to top all of that off, she proceeded to FUCKING LIST SHIT TO ROSIE OVER HERE, THAT ISN'T COMPARABLE TO WHAT VAGGIE WENT THROUGH yeah, no wonder why the fandom on the critical side of things hates you.

Compared to Steven and Connie, this was over something far more tame and civilized, arriving home after he visited the Diamonds, Connie was mad that Steven ditched her, and felt hurt that he wouldn't ask her to help, as they PROMISED they'd work together. THIS is an actual realistic arguement, and these two ARE KIDS, I don't fault ANY of them, but CHARLIE'S A FUCKING ADULT, if kids have a reason to be mad at their S/O but you're both adults and you're mad at your S/O not opening up to you, so you go to a Cannibal who shouldn't be giving you advice, which your MOTHER or FATHER should be, then fuck that.

Not gonna lie, Rosie's advice was really good.

HONORABLE MENTION

@almacambiondaughterofsaleos made a post showcasing the difference between Greg and Rose while also showcasing the VIBE thats different between Stolitz, this is a PRIME example that Steven Universe despite being bad at writing also is much better than Hazbin.

Next post, when I do give a fuck is pointing out the difference in relationships between Hazbin/SU.