#Donna is mothering in every one of these comics
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azuree1733 · 9 months ago
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Back on my countdown shit 🤭
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celaenaeiln · 1 year ago
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Where Dick's compartmentalization came from and how it affects the family
What's special about Dick, is that people far older than him see him as an equal because he's able to understand them and keep up with them, and that takes a massive toll on his mental health. He's been acting like a mother, brother, and partner to people twice his age from childhood.
The thing that really hurts is that when Dick's parents were gone, he didn't get angry. He just got really, really sad. And even though he was sad, all he wanted to do was help Batman-help Bruce. He just wanted to help this sad, older man. So at a time when he was grieving, he couldn't even properly grieve because Batman was grieving harder than him. He put his feelings on the back burner so he could fix Bruce.
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Dick is not happy right now. Not because of Bruce's response but he's just feeling overwhelmingly sad because his parents have died. Yet look at the way he acts. He forces himself to pretend he's happy to alleviate Bruce's guilt, stress, anger over the case he's in. He didn't want to be another thing that makes him sad. That's horrifying behavior for a child of 8.
What really astonishes me is that Dick was a child with the maturity of an adult-meaning-he delicately handled Bruce's feelings while being careful not to overstep and yet still adjusting his behavior. He never tried to lash out Bruce. Ever. He got mad once at Batman when everything became too much but once Batman revealed himself to be Bruce, he never let his anger out on him. Or anyone.
And that makes me so sad because this is a child.
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Look at his size compared to batman-tiny!
But this small boy controlled his emotions so his guardian wouldn't feel hurt when he was the one grieving makes me want to cry.
Here's another version of Batman and pre-robin Dick that showcases Dick's emotional maturity from a small age.
In Batman and Robin, the Boy Wonder-Dick's parent's died from a gunshot and Batman kidnaps Dick at the circus, before his parent's bodies have barely gotten cold.
Dick's response to the new situation and his parent's passing?
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"No. Don't go there. Not now."
I can practically feel him compartmentalizing through the screen.
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"Yes, Sir. I'll be brave."
He doesn't get a break. No matter the retelling of Dick's orgin story, Dick puts himself together to take care of the man that is supposed to be taking care of him.
But just as much of a toll this takes on Dick, it has a signifcant effect on Bruce too. Bruce cannot function if he knows that Dick isn't okay. I don't remember where but somewhere in the comics Bruce admits to resenting Dick for having amnesia. For not being with him. By him.
His reaction to Dick not remembering them?
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The panel-where Dick screams at Bruce with tears in his eyes-it seems as though Bruce has them too. He's so heartbroken. His eyes are glistening with unshed tears.
In Road to Dark Crisis, Dick tells Jon
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This is so true but the difference between Bruce and Dick is that while Bruce does it for his kids, he has no one to take care of him. So Dick stepped at an age far too young for it to be okay. I mean even therapists struggle with taking care of their patients problems and usually they're around the same age the patient. But Dick? No experience he took the entire job on his shoulders. Not only that but Dick acts as the whole family and titan's family therapist.
Tim
Tim goes to Dick about everything-every single one of his problems because they have such a good relationship. He tells him about his dad.
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Not to mention the main thing he does for Tim
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He puts his feelings and priorities on the back burner so he can take care of other people.
Jason
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He takes care of Jason's emotional well-being. He tell him he's proud of him and validates him instead of putting him down like Bruce does.
Donna and Roy
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The biggest reason why everyone loves Dick is because he accepts their mistakes and works with them and loves them instead of punishing them for it. They don't get that from anyone else. Especially Bruce.
That's another reason why he's so good with kids. It's because he has been designated to playing the role of the parent his entire life. So he gives them everything he has, welcomes them with open arms, takes care of them and makes them feel fixed. Even if it's at the cost of his own well-being. So that's why they fight but in the end also why none of them can let go of Dick. They need him.
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alvindraperzzz · 26 days ago
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Cassie Sandsmark Centric Fic Rec
Here are some of my favorite Cassie focused fics, in no particular order:
Orpheus Rising by ClockStrikesThree Cassie has lost more loved ones than she can count. When Tim dies, she can't handle it. She decides that enough is enough, and sets out for the Underworld to bring him back. Along the way she encounters monsters, sorceresses, and a god with a grudge. 
little things by sakuyamons Four times Cassie and Diana went to get ice cream together, and one time they didn't.
Blood of the Covenant by SoleminiSanction She doesn’t know if she believes him, but she does trust him. In which Cassie accompanies Tim on his quest to find Batman, and being together make all the difference.
Waiting For What Will and What Won’t by angel_gidget Five comparisons Cassie would come to regret, and one promise that made all the difference. Or, sometimes your dead friends come back to life and it takes awhile to adjust.
Collision Course by Cynder2013 Cassie has to run an errand for Hecate. She enlists Raven’s help. PJO crossover, part of the Young Hero Support Group series. 
As for all gifts by Teland Cassie thinks about how it feels to be a superhero, and all the ways she and Cissie differ.
Borrowed Time and Limina by D.L.SchizoAuthoress Cassie and Kit talk about dead people. Two short fics about the underrated friendship between Wonder Girl and Kid Eternity. 
Wonder Girl/Titans, Crack and Magical Impregnation by Anon Every character needs a good crack fic to their name, and this is Cassie’s. Cassie has been a hero for years now, and thinks she’s finally got a handle on how her powers work. Then she finds out the hard way that she unknowingly inherited her divine father’s ability to magically knock up people she’s interested in. 
Honey by neptunesenceladas The Teen Titans have just reformed after Graduation Day and between learning to be a team there is a moment of peace to mourn. Cassie helps Kori harvest honey for the first time since Donna passed. 
Who’s Afraid? by Cereal_Forks Twelve year old Cassie is sent to Watchtower County for the summer while her mother deals with issues at home. All she wants for her summer is to read comics or maybe have a little adventure, until she learns that Watchtower County is much more exciting than it appears, perhaps more exciting than she can handle. Core Four It au. 
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thisgirlnamedblusy · 4 months ago
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hi I’m such a big fan of your writing 💕and overall so grateful that you write for Donna since I feel she is very underrated especially RE Donna
but I wanted to request ✨ a scenario where Donna and R are having a normal afternoon and R out of nowhere blurts out how they used to do modeling for a little while and Donna get curious so R shows photos of a photoshoot where she wears a little revealing dress and Donna get slightly jealous so R convince Donna she will give her a personal photoshoot and so they do it and it turns into smut
go Donna please 🙏
also if you don’t want to it okay and you can just ignore this request but hope you have a good day ❤️☺️
Yess!! Thank you for your request and for your nice words!!! I hope you like it and sorry about the language mistakes!!! :))))
You can leave your veil on
Pairing: Donna Beneviento x Fem!! Reader
Warnings: G!P Donna, smut, Minors DNI, fluff,
Word count: 6,440
Summary: Maybe a photo session can make her jealousy disappear...
N/A: Sorry about the language mistakes!!! Requests are open!!! I'm waiting yours!!!I love you all!!!
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“Be careful, it's hot,” Donna commented, leaving a steaming cup of tea on the table. You smiled gratefully, nodding as you looked out the window of the old house.
You could have tried to run away, escape from that cursed village, but you didn't. In your work as a photographer you had visited many places, but certainly none like that. A village set back in time, servant and faithful to someone similar to the witches in stories.
But, in reality, you saw no reason to do so. One priestess, four Lords, that was the system by which that place functioned. A castle, a dam, a factory, a house. Of all your options, the house was the best one.
Donna Beneviento, ventriloquist and doll maker, had a series of nightmares prepared for you, to drive you crazy.
You fought against those hallucinations, you screamed, you ran away until it was no longer necessary. No matter how much fear a woman like her could cause in someone like you, it wasn't enough. She was a mysterious, mourning figure that hid her face behind a black veil. The mystery overcame the fear and you stopped living those nightmares, to live in dreams.
Little by little, you got to know that woman, and the more you did, the more you fell in love with her. Compassion, love, you couldn't say why you didn't end up jumping into the void, down that waterfall. Maybe it was that Donna was as lonely as you in this world, maybe she didn't want to kill the last ray of hope of dark and lonely life.
So there you were, you had been on that estate for months and you didn't regret it at all. Her hidden beauty, which you forced her to show you, the changes Mother Miranda caused in her body, everything that gave her a complex was suddenly eclipsed by your kisses, by your words of love, by the whish to leave your boring life behind to join hers.
“Thank you, Donna,” you said kindly, as she sat in front of you, looking at you with that same bewilderment from the first day. An eternity could pass, but Donna would still wonder why you decided to stay, why you loved a sick, dark woman like her.
Her corners turned up as she raised her own cup to her lips. You sighed as you remembered everything that had brought you there, and above all, when you thought about the reasons that made you never want to return home, reasons that sat in front of you like every afternoon, that you hugged every night, reasons that had a first and last name: Donna Beneviento.
“Is it, is it to your liking?” She asked timidly, with the soft and hoarse melody she had for a voice. You smiled even wider, pretending you hadn't comically burned yourself.
“Yes, I... Ugh, it's perfect,” you said, fanning your mouth in a funny way, to which she laughed in a shy and funny way, looking away.
“I told you it was hot,” she murmured, with a knowing whisper, with that so intense look which could even pierce your skin.
“I should learn to listen,” you joked, shaking your head. “That's what they told me at school.”
“Did they tell you that it was hot?” The lady asked, disconcerted. You would always admire that shy innocence.
“No,” you said, laughing, making Donna look at you confused. “They told me that I didn't know how to listen.”
Donna Beneviento was a lonely woman. She had been alone for so many years so human relationships didn’t exist in her own world. At first you were surprised by those curious reactions to simple phrases or expressions, but little by little, you got used to them, finding them adorable in their own way.
“It's funny, they told me the same thing,” she said, with a melancholic smile. You nodded, blowing away the smoke of that burning tea.
“Did they? Because I think there is no one in this world who is capable of listening as well as you,” you said in a soft voice, making your compliments, once again, to get her cheeks blush.
“That's not true,” she said, downplaying that true fact.
After days of nightmares, you had only heard her speak through the Angie doll. It took a lot for Donna to be able to communicate with her own voice, even after your first kiss.
“Well, well, I don't want to contradict you but... Yes it is,” you whispered the last sentence, making the smile light up her face again, hiding it shamefully behind her cup of tea.
There was a small moment of silence, one of hundreds every day. A contemplative moment, in which your photographic eye admired each of her features, her figure. Yes, there was nothing more beautiful for your camera, you were sure.
“Mmm,” you murmured, savoring that delicious artisanal tea that Donna adored you with every day. “It's delicious.”
“Everything I make is delicious according to you,” she whispered, suspicious. Alert, insecurity approaching at high speed.
“Well, yes,” you said with a serious tone, crossing your arms. “Everything.”
Donna smiled again, shaking her head.
“Don’t say those things…. You know it makes me ashamed,” she said with a pink tone on her cheeks, with a mischievous but shy look at the same time.
“What did I say?” You asked amused, leaning your back on the couch.
“You know what you said,” Donna said hurriedly, with her hands trembling because of the shyness and nervousness caused by your seductive gaze. Yes, you said it on purpose.
“I said I like everything you make to me,” you said with an indifferent tone, ignoring that too obvious insinuation. “Why are you ashamed of that?”
“Because I... You know, you mean...” She stammered, further evidencing her nervousness.
“Your food,” you joked, leaving her completely confused and much more embarrassed.
“My food?” Donna asked, blinking profusely, looking with her eye for a place to hide after that sentence.
“Yes, of course, what did you think I was referring to, Donna?” You asked, biting your lip. Maybe you shouldn't play with her that much... But it was quite funny.
“I don't... You know what? I'm going to get more tea,” she said, getting up from the armchair to cowardly flee, as always when the conversation got a bit hotter.
“Uh, uh, honey…” You said hurriedly, standing up and grabbing her wrist tenderly, caressing her soft skin with your thumb. “Come on… Don't be nervous, it was just a joke.”
Donna nodded, letting you grab her waist and pull her into a slow, loving kiss, calming her breathing with it.
“So...” She murmured, with a more relaxed expression, playing with the buttons of your blouse. “You like my food.”
“I love it,” you said amused, stealing another quick kiss from her. “You have to show me how to make it.”
“Sure, of course,” she said, excited by the idea, moving away from you and dragging you back to the tea place.
“Before I met you, the only thing I could make was something prepared in the microwave,” you explained, sitting down again, changing the conversation to an easier and less... Hot one.
She nodded curiously, sipping her tea calmly, as if that little joke had never happened.
“Once, I remember that I had to promote some diet products. I was eating protein bars for a month, I guess that's my level of cooking,” you commented amused, remembering that part of your past. Donna looked at you curiously again, frowning.
“Em... Yes, I...”
“You didn't understand anything I said, did you?” You joked, making her shake her head, scratching the back of her neck.
“Niente”
“Niente,” you repeated, amused. “Well, I worked being a model once, you know, I had to take photos with products, with clothes...”
“Model?” She asked, this time leaning towards you, showing interest in that detail. You nodded, not caring.
“Yes, well, I had to pay for the photography academy somehow,” you explained with that same amused tone, which calmed down when you saw her confused and with an intriguing face. “Once a man from a clothing brand came and well, it is known that he found me attractive enough for the job.”
“A man? What man?” Donna asked abruptly, you couldn't tell if she was curious or annoyed.
“Well, one man...” You whispered, studying her movements. “Bah, it doesn't matter, that's part of my past.”
“It matters, who was that stronzo?” She asked, with a dark and worried tone. You should already know that your past, like lovers and relationships, was a completely forbidden topic in that house.
“Hey, don't worry, Donna, he was just a businessman,” you said, moving your hands to calm her increased, nervous breathing. “It's not a dark thing at all, I promise you. I just let them to take photos with new clothes, or things like that.”
“What things?” She asked, still with distrust in her voice.
“You know what? I better show you, I still have my photo book,” you said, patting your knees and walking towards the room.
Everything that had to do with the modern world aroused a certain curiosity in the lady in black, but also jealousy, a lot of jealousy. You couldn't blame her for being possessive, not after knowing her past. Maybe you thought it was a good idea to show her what you did when you modeled.
“Come, sit here,” you said, indicating the woman to come to your side, while you opened the photo book for the first page.
“It's you,” Donna said, bringing her closer to that photo, a bit provocative one, to be honest.
“Yes, of course, see? I wore clothes that they wanted to promote and they took photos of me, nothing strange,” you said, turning each of the pages slowly, being studied by the lady in black, who couldn't help but smile. “I looked beautiful, huh?”
“So beautiful…” She whispered with a tender smile, running her hand over one of the photos of her. “That dress is interesting. Maybe I can make a similar one for you.”
You nodded curiously, studying her reactions. Everything seemed to be going well, just one more afternoon in which you dedicated yourselves to talking about your past life, to astonish Donna with the world she didn’t know about, and she would never know about, the world you didn't want to return to.
“What is this?” She asked after a few minutes, with her expression changed, showing you a photo that occupied both sides of the book. A photo that even made you blush.
“Oh, well...” You whispered, taking the book and not having an answer that would help her face to relax. “Me, posing, with a dress.”
“That's not a dress, (Y/N), it's more like a long scarf, not even that,” she said angrily, looking at you with an expression that alerted even more jealousy. You had to make an effort to hold back your laughter at the reaction and shook your head.
“No, no, it's a dress, do you see the sleeves?” You said, pointing to a part of the photograph.
“What I'm seeing are your breasts,” Donna responded, without looking at your face, with her eye fixed on that photo, which, yes, was a little too suggestive.
“Oh, they can't be seen at all,” you said, downplaying it. Donna sighed, ignoring your excuses. “They are well covered.”
“I can see them,” she corrected, with a brusque tone. “You say everyone could see these photos?”
“Well, yes,” you said whispering, closing the book and leaving it on the side of the couch, with a shameful smile. “At least during the advertising campaign.”
“The campaign... Let's see if I find out, are you telling me that everyone could see you showing your breasts?” She asked, with an annoyed tone, her chest rising and falling rapidly again.
“Well, not everyone…” You said, shaking your head and rolling your eyes. “Only those who passed by the bus stop on line 4, those who bought fashion magazines, those who went to a hairdresser, those who…”
“Basta,” she said, having a hard time. Unlike you, who was having a lot of fun because of her absurd jealousy.
“Besides, you can't see my breasts, I've already told you,” you said in your defense, feigning anger and crossing your arms. “I don't understand why it bothers you, Donna. You've seen them too... And I know you love them,” you said in a seductive tone, nudging her, making her head turn towards you abruptly, with that childish anger in her look.
“I'm your girlfriend, (Y/N),” she hissed, revealing what you were to her right at that moment. You hadn't thought about it, but you knew that girlfriend wasn’t enough. She was the woman of your life.
“Oh, I see... You're jealous, huh?” You asked with a funny tone, launching yourself at her body to tickle her, which made her laugh, trying to push you away. “How jealous are you…”
“Stop, (Y/N),” she said, holding your hands so they would stop playing with her dress, diluting that funny moment with jealousy. “I don't understand why you had to do something like that. Showing your body to everyone is...”
“It was a temporary job, nothing serious, Donna,” you said calmer, worrying because her jealousy didn't seem to give in to your cuddling.
“It seems serious to me,” the lady in black protested, trying to calm herself down with your little tricks for anxiety. “I don't even want to think about how many people have seen you and…”
“Hey, come on. It's okay,” you said, wrapping your arms around her and rubbing her body to comfort her, something that usually worked. “That's the past.”
“That's what you say, but I don't even want to think about how many people look at those magazines and... (Y/N), they probably masturbated with that photo,” she said with a serious tone. But the words entered your mind causing you to laugh, a laugh that you couldn't contain.
“Masturbated? Donna… Really?” You said laughing, but with a stab of reality hitting you in the back. Well, she could be right and that was… Disturbing.
“I don't see where the fun is. I'm completely serious,” Donna protested, moving away from you to show how offended she was by your laughter.
“Yes, yes, it's just that... It's a very uncharacteristic statement for you,” you explained, letting her know the reason for your amusement. When Donna was nervous, she might say that kind of things. Well, nervous or terribly excited.
“Why? I used to masturbate before I met you. It’s a natural need” she said, still with that abrupt tone. You had to stop laughing or Donna would get really angry and you didn't want that.
“Oh...” You whispered with a different tone, returning to that tireless seduction that your body was asking for. “I see… And would you have done it by looking at that photo?” You asked in her ear, making her body shiver and the blush return to her cheeks.
“Yes, (Y/N),” she said in a barely audible voice, her fists clenched on her knees. “That's why I don't understand how you could...”
She couldn't continue speaking, because your lips crashed against hers abruptly, kissing her wildly, trying to make her passion blind her jealousy, at least a bit.
“I would love to see you doing that...” You whispered, giving her one last kiss and checking that your actions had an effect, making her smile slightly.
“Um, (Y/N), I...” She stammered, fleeing from the caresses you made on her chest, caresses that distracted her from her anger with unprecedented success. Maybe it had been the sight of your barely covered breasts that made her calm down. That excited you, a lot.
But an idea appeared in your head to interrupt that moment, a much better one, one that would dispel the doll maker's jealousy forever, or so you thought.
“Mm, I have an idea, Donna,” you said thoughtfully, making curiosity return to her face.
“What idea?” She asked, moving nervously on the couch, revealing her excitement, trying to hide it in the black fabric of her dress, a detail that you, of course, didn’t overlook.
“What do you think if you do a photo session for me? One just for you...” You proposed, resting your head in your hand and biting your lip as you saw how she played with her dress to hide her enthusiasm.
“A photo session?” The lady asked curiously, frowning, but interested, of course.
“Uh-huh,” you stated, taking her hand so she would stop playing with the black fabric and you could caress her. “One that only you can look at…”
“Only me...” She sighed with a smile, intertwining your fingers.
She seemed to think about it for a few seconds, but, after that time, she nodded profusely, giving you her approval.
“Wait, I'm going to get the camera,” you said amused, running towards the elevator stopping at the last moment to pick up your old modeling album with an amused expression. “I'll take this, to avoid temptations...” You joked, calming her protest at your inappropriate comment with a kiss on the cheek.
Well, at least you had managed to solve the jealousy problem and the idea sounded quite... Funny in your head, well, also in your head.
“Say cheese,” you said jokingly, shooting a photo towards the couch, catching Donna off guard, almost blinding her with the flash.
“Don't do that, (Y/N)” she protested, rubbing her eye while you laughed in amusement, looking at the result on the small screen.
“Oh, look how pretty you are...” You said, ignoring her complaints and showing her that improvised photo. Her natural expression was truly worthy of one of your favorite works, of course.
Donna leaned in to look at herself, and she stepped back immediately, shaking her head.
“No, I'm horrible,” she said, with that tone that betrayed nervousness, the fierce attack of her complexes again. You caressed her cheek, forcing her to look at you.
“You're beautiful, Donna, the camera doesn't lie,” you said softly, placing your lips on hers.
“But you do,” she said, ignoring your compliment, looking askance at that improvised photo. “I could never be a model like you. Not with my hideous face.”
“Oh, come on, Donna... You know you're beautiful, you know it, I know you know it,” you said, relaxing a bit, wiping away a tear that was slowly running down her cheek.
“I know you don't think that way but... Thank you,” she whispered, closing her eye due to your caresses, resting her hand on yours, squeezing it against her skin. You smiled, kissing her again, not insisting on making her complexes disappear. You had your whole life to get it.
“I have to make some room on the memory card... I took a lot of photos when I arrived at the village,” you commented, ignoring that conversation, which was getting really sad. “Oh, what the…? Angie!”
You shouted to the doll as you flipped through photo after photo, showing the irreverent puppet posing comically in many of them. What a session she had given herself.
“What do you want, stupid stranger?” The doll Asked, running towards you in a graceful and fast manner, climbing into the lap of her owner.
“Have you been playing with the camera?” You asked, ignoring her contempt. You would always be a threat to Donna, Angie would never like you, or so you thought.
“No,” she responded childishly, earning a suspicious look from her owner. You blinked in disbelief, turning the camera towards her.
“What is this?” You asked, going through the photos that the doll had taken one by one, making her laugh with a sinister laugh.
“Mmm, it looks like me,” the doll murmured, making you roll your eyes, with a severe pose, reminding yourself of your parents when you did something wrong.
“Yes, yes... What have I told you about touching my stuff?” You protested, sighing. “You could have broken it.”
-But I haven't... Look, Donna, this photo is great, don't you think? It's me, with me, and with you...” the doll said, ignoring your scolding, pointing to one of the photos that had Angie posing next to the portrait on the stairs.
Donna smiled, looking at you amused. You were incapable of getting as angry as you wanted.
“Wonderful, Angie, you are quite an artist,” you mocked, trying not to laugh to emphasize your annoyance. “Although I have to admit that I'm surprised that you've learned to handle the camera that well,” you said, more to yourself than to her. Angie jumped mockingly, pleased by your admiration.
“It's easy, stupid, you just have to hit that button,” she said, pressing the camera trigger and blinding you with the flash.
“Oh, shit...” You said closing your eyes and listening to the puppet laughing as she cowardly ran away from you. “Damn…”
“Are you okay, tesoro?” Donna asked, with a hand on her mouth that prevented you from seeing she was laughing. Laughing at you, of course.
“Yes, I... Are you laughing at me, Donna?” You asked amused, blinking to eliminate the lights that formed your eyes after that flash.
“No,” she said with the doll's fake tone, something that made you sigh with tenderness.
“Well, well, we'll see if you laugh so much after the photos you're going to take of me...” You sighed, getting up from the couch.
“But, but I don't know how to use that device,” she protested, allowing herself to be dragged towards the elevator.
“If Angie could do it, so can you... Come on, I have a lot of ideas...”
It took you a while, but you finally managed to make an improvised photography set. The place chosen was the doll workshop, one of the bleakest parts of the house, but artistically perfect. All those wooden limbs hanging from the ceiling and its stone walls and floor made it an ideal place for that private session, one that you were eager to begin.
“Just a bit more...” You said, giving instructions to the brunette to move a wooden table, which you would desecrate with your sensual poses “Perfect, leave it there.”
Donna sighed, unable to hide the desire she had for those photos, for that gift for her, just for her.
“Come,” you said, gesturing towards the tripod where you had placed your camera, pointing it at the middle of the room. The lady in black approached slowly, studying that curious device. “Look, Donna, you can see what you are going to photograph through this gap here. Come on, take a look.”
The lady obeyed nervously, looking into the camera and smiling afterwards, letting you know that she understood you.
“Whatever appears here will be seen later on that screen, right?” She asked curious. You nodded.
“Yes, but don't use it as a reference, the light could deceive you. Okay, then you keep the lens centered and put your finger on the button, like this,” you said, taking her hand and gently placing her finger on the button, making the lens move. “You see? You have to press it softly first to get it to focus, otherwise it will be blurry.”
“Oh, it seems complicated,” Donna whispered, checking what was in front of the camera and then above it.
“It's not, trust me. You'll do it great...” You said, patting her on the back and heading towards the suitcase you brought with you, choosing what your first item of clothing was going to be. “If you can’t, I can tell Angie to do it…”
“No,” she said abruptly. “I can do it.”
You nodded with a smile. Naturally, that was the answer you expected.
“Well, then... How about this one to start?” You said, displaying that red and provocative dress that aroused so much jealousy in the brunette.
“(Y/N)...” She hissed, annoyed by your choice.
“You don’t like it? My breasts can be seen with it...” You hummed, waving the garment comically until a shy smile formed on her face as she shook her head.
“Shut up and put it on,” Donna ordered, hiding her embarrassment with the camera while you played with the red fabric, making it look even more provocative.
Your modeling days were still evident in your actions, posing naturally under her attentive gaze, perhaps too attentive. You posed in a much more provocative way, making her hands shake when taking the photographs.
It was funny, very funny, especially when it came to raising a bare leg towards the table, or kneeling on it in a seductive pose, which made Donna have to clear her throat several times to focus.
After that dress, successive combinations of the clothes you brought to the village came: lace bras, negligees, your entire wardrobe being captured by the camera lens, as well as by the eye of Lady Beneviento, who seemed to enjoy that seductive vision, the provocative poses and the increasingly obvious lack of clothes.
“You like them?” The brunette asked after a fun and exciting time. You flipped through the photos and nodded in surprise. They were good, much better than you thought. Luckily, none of them would ever leave that house.
“Sure, it's a good job, Donna,” you said, hugging her waist from behind, making her laugh pleased. “Besides, they are all for you.”
“Yes, that's the best...” she sighed, looking carefully at the places of your naked skin, which you exposed on purpose.
“Wait, the best is yet to come,” you said amused, moving away from her and leaving the workshop.
“(Y/N)? Where are you going?” Donna asked, confused by your sudden escape.
You ran to the bedroom, eagerly looking for that piece of clothing you wanted to use on a crazy idea in your head, an idea that presented itself in the middle of that improvised session.
“Can I use it?” You asked, entering the workshop again and carrying Donna's black veil in your hand, that veil with which she covered her face long ago, and with which she continued to do so with anyone that wasn’t you.
“Um, yes, but... What do you want it for?” She asked confused, watching how you played with the black fabric in your hands.
“Well, I've thought that I would like a couple of photos with it on, if you don't mind, of course,” you explained, looking at that fabric, looking for the correct way to put it on.
“Fi, fine,” the lady in black murmured turning it over, and placing it on your head making you laugh with amusement.
“How can you see anything with this thing?” You joked, reaching out to touch her while you tried to make out something with your eyes. “Donna? Who turned off the light?”
“Stop fooling around and stand there, tesoro,” she said, amused, pushing you towards the table, which you prevented by digging your feet into the floor.
“Wait, wait... I'm not ready,” you whispered in her ear, moving away from her and pulling at the tie that kept one of your dresses stuck to your body. “I want you to take some photos of me with the veil on...”
“Yes, you already said that,” she said, confused, interrupted by a finger between her lips.
“Just with the veil on,” you whispered, slurring your words as the clothing covering you fell to the stone floor, leaving Donna in the same material, looking at you up and down, checking that during your escape to the bedroom, your underwear also disappeared.
“I think you like the idea, don't you?” You whispered again, biting her earlobe and running your hands over her body, caressing the incipient bulge in the black fabric of her dress.
She nodded nervously, closing her eyes at your fleeting touch, one that disappeared at the same time you walked away from her, leaning on the wooden table.
“Come on, move, Donna.  Shoot,” you said seductively, making Donna blink and shake her head, her entire body trembling from the view she had.
Her attitude was much more nervous than before, taking her time with each photograph. You played with your body, opening your legs slightly, moving the fabric away from your face to show how you were biting your lip. It was a vision too erotic for Donna, who could not bear more than a dozen photographs.
“Wait, (Y/N),” she said stuttering, making you laugh and get off the table where you were kneeling, pushing the veil away from your face again.
“I hope you captured these last ones well, Donna, I think they're going to be your favorites,” you joked, continuing with your sensual movements, moving your hips in an exaggerated way as you walked slowly towards her.
“They definitely are,” the lady said, her voice low, moving away from your naked body, only covered in that black cloth.
“Mm, this photo session has warmed me up,” you murmured, removing the veil from your face and playing with it in your hands, surrounding the neck of the brunette with it. Donna was receding more and more. “Where are you going, my love?”
“Um, I...” She stammered, unable to speak clearly, with a marked and suggestive accent as she was dragged by her own veil towards your naked body.
“You're hot too, huh?” You asked on her lips, touching them but without kissing them, taking advantage of that erotic moment that you were not going to lose. “Shall we take a break, Donna?”
She nodded, unable to resist the temptation of kissing you in a hot, wet way, bringing her body closer to yours, making her arousal more than evident, something that made you moan in anticipation.
“I want to take you, (Y/N),” she whispered in your ear, making your entire body tremble in satisfaction from that statement. You smiled and raised an eyebrow, holding her gaze and pulling the black fabric closer.
“Mm yes, it could be a good break,” you said, removing the veil from her neck and walking towards the table, opening your legs again, shiny with excitement, making the humidity between them more than evident, running a finger through your folds under her attentive gaze and slow steps.
“Wait,” she said, approaching, but with something in her eye that made her reveal a hidden intention. “Put it on again, please,” she whispered, taking the piece of black cloth that was still in your hands and putting it back on your head, to which you frowned and laughed amused.
“Oh, fine...” You whispered, pulling on her waist, with the black fabric clouding your vision, but not your senses, which were beginning to burn with the kisses that Donna began to place on your neck. “Wow, do you like that?”
Donna didn't speak, nor did she nod. She simply caressed your face beneath her veil, letting you know her response as she played with the buttons of her dress.
You gasped at her seductive, burning touch, at how her hands ran over your bare skin, at how they covered your breasts while her mouth traveled down your neck and her body rocked against yours.
You laughed, closing your eyes, noticing how her hand moved the fabric away so her lips could devour yours for a few moments while her fingers played with your nipples and her obvious erection rubbed against your body.
“Mm, Donna...” You murmured, opening her dress so her torso was revealed to you, so her pale skin would send shivers through your body.
“Shh, silenzio,” she whispered, laughing sinisterly, squeezing one of your breasts with subtle strength, which made you gasp with pleasure and move your hips against her body. “They are mine, you understand?” She asked. “Just nod.”
You obeyed, curious about that question, about that attitude so out of the ordinary for Donna.
“Only mine, (Y/N)...” She sighed again, joining the movements of your body as her own bra gave way in your skillful and mischievous hands, hands that she grabbed immediately. “No, no, tesoro…”
“I'm yours?” You asked, defying her order to keep you quiet, pushing aside her veil so you could shamelessly capture her lips, making her move away, placing her hands on your chest.
“Mine, (Y/N),” she responded, slowly turning you around and leaning over the wooden table, leaving you completely exposed to her desires, to her body's desire to dominate yours, to make it hers, again.
“Very well, then make me yours,” you said amused, separating your legs, making her gasp at the exciting vision she had before her. Your face was still covered by that black cloth, which she placed in such a way that it wouldn't move, before leaning down to your ear and pressing her shaft against your wetness, now free of her underwear.
“Don't take it off, (Y/N)...” Donna whispered softly as her hands ran down your back, down your legs, until one of her fingers ran through your wet folds, making you moan and nod, moving your legs.
Her caresses were slow, almost like a small warning of what was to come. The wetness that permeated her fingers was enough to make her moan as well. The position you were in and the veil prevented you from seeing her face. You knew she was smiling, you knew she had that smile.
“Shh, stay still,” she told you, lowering your back so it leaned on the table while her finger played with your entrance, with your clit, moving in circles so your hips demanded a little more contact, just a little more.
Her hot commands entered your ears like a current of warm air, causing your legs to spread even further and her finger to slide inside of you slowly, making your world spin, making you fervently desire more contact, more pleasure, more Donna.
“Stop playing with me,” you protested, amused, feeling her finger curl inside of you, exploring your body, getting your walls used to the contact.
“I like to play with you,” she hissed, raising your back so she could kiss you on your neck and continue dancing with your body.
“Donna, don't make me suffer,” you begged, clenching your fists on the table as her finger disappeared from your body and her hands roamed your chest from behind, squeezing your breasts, claiming them as hers.
“Okay...” She sighed, leaving that game aside and approaching you, placing her shaft at your entrance but just playing with it, running through your folds in a hot and wet caress.
You moaned at the contact, at her erection caressing your body, making you claim her to be inside of you with a few discreet movements of your hips.
“Donna,” you said with a more serious tone, hitting the table with one of your fists, looking at her through the sides of the veil. “Please…”
She sighed, but she didn't say anything. She simply complied with your wishes, slowly inserting the tip, letting your body adjust to hers. You moaned in pleasure, noticing how your walls stretched, hugging her body in a terribly exciting way.
“Am I hurting you?” She asked by surprise at your hisses of pleasure. Donna always will be the kind innocent woman in black. She couldn't be any other way.
“No, no, move, please,” you said, moaning with pleasure when she was completely in you, sliding along your wet and eager insides.
She obeyed your request slowly also beginning to moan at the sensation, gently grabbing your hips to maintain a stable rhythm, but it couldn't help but be anxious, desperate.
The wooden table creaked under your movements, adding to the wet sounds of your improvised lustful act, turning that sinister room into the warmest one ever, the most obscene ever.
“You're so wet, (Y/N)...” Donna whispered in an amused tone, panting as she moved inside of you, alternating strong thrusts with weaker, more intense ones. Just the way you liked it. That was just for you. “Did you like posing for me?”
You smiled, grabbing the edge of the table to keep from losing your balance, moving your hips to match her thrusts, to feel how your walls hugged her erection, how they made it slide inside and almost out of you.
“Mmm, yes, I love posing for you,” you said almost without thinking, overwhelmed by pleasure, by all the sensations you had experienced, by the relief you felt between your legs and by the excitement that wearing that veil caused you.
“I see...” She murmured, laughing amusedly as she leaned over you, reaffirming her control, reaffirming that you were hers, reaffirming that she was inside of you and you, even if you wanted to, couldn't get away. You didn't want to either.
“Donna, fuck... I'm, I'm close,” you moaned with a growl, noticing how your body tensed little by little, how the pleasure clouded your vision much more than the black veil.
“You're rude, (Y/N)” she said, amused, giving you a small spank on one of your buttocks, which was the spark your body needed to arch completely, letting yourself be carried away by the waves of pleasure from your orgasm. A scandalous one, probably the most scandalous one you had ever had.
Donna held you tightly so she could continue moving inside of you, this time much faster, affirming with her actions how close she was to possessing you again. It didn't take long to happen, causing the heat to accompany your orgasm with her wet caresses, making you full of her again.
The lady sighed, letting herself fall onto your back, staying very close to you, inside of you as her body relaxed, enjoying the obscene wetness that dripped between your legs.
Exhausted, you turned around, pushing the black fabric away with one hand while you kissed her, as long as you owed her that love that you used to give her in those situations. Although this time, she didn't seem to feel insecure at all.
“I love you,” she said, returning to her being, returning to being the shy and affectionate Donna that a lust caused by you had hidden for a moment.
You took off the veil, passing it back around her neck and pulling it, looking at her with a loving and satisfied expression at the same time.
“Me too...” You sighed, returning her affection with a slow, loving and tender kiss, far from the previous actions. “Hey, I've been thinking...”
“What?” She asked curiously, burying her head in your shoulder, letting herself be embraced by your protective arms.
“I would really like to take some photos of you with the veil on too, just with the veil on...”
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fastestmanalive333 · 18 days ago
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Titans Ages (Pre 52)
Every once in awhile, people ask "How old is [insert Titans character] supposed to be?" So I've created this to analyzes this topic. Now, comic books, as a rule, have a somewhat sliding age scale. You can only age Robin and the original sidekicks so much - because as they age, so do their mentors. Some people place the original fab five [Dick, Wally, Donna, Roy and Garth] in their late 20's. That's too old by my estimation.
Now, there are a few times in the comics where ages are actually mentioned. From this, we can establish a general rules of thumb to go by. I'm using the fab five as a 'base' to establish the ages of most of the Titans. There's two general rules I'm going by:
RULE 1: THE ORIGINAL TITANS ARE ALL THE SAME AGE: This seems to hold true through their history. Also, it's been established that Dick, Wally, Donna and Vic started college somewhere between TEEN TITANS #53 and NEW TEEN TITANS #1. By this logic, many of the 1970's members are around the same age plus/minus a year or so.
RULE 2: THE LIAN HARPER RULE: This is the most effective way to establish ages. Lian Harper is established as four years old during the TITANS series [1999-2003]. Now, a big deal was made when Dick Grayson turned 20 - leaving his teen years behind him. This happened when he was on Tamaran, as established in NEW TEEN TITANS (second series) #17-21 [1986]; His birthday actually happened in an issue of SECRET ORIGINS #13 [1987] featuring Nightwing. In NEW TEEN TITANS (second series) #20-21 [1986], Roy Harper learns Lian is his daughter; she is a newborn at this time. So the math is simple - the original Titans were in/approaching their 20th year when Lian was born. So they are 24 now.
Now, you will find discrepancies in this theory - but most printed evidence supports the above theories. Majority rules. Wally West is established as 23 years old during FLASH #0 [1994]. That seems about right. Donna Troy states she is 23 years old in TITANS #5 [1999]; again, that seems about right. This places Wally as a few months older than Donna - maybe even almost a year older. Now, that seems like a lot of adventures have taken place between ZERO HOUR and TECHNIS IMPERITIVE. But that's comics for ya.
Some things must be ignored. The DC Secret Files timelines contradict each other - ignore those for the most part. And Wally West stated he was 26 years old during the Geoff Johns/Scott Kolins run on FLASH. That's a little too old by my estimation. So please don't @ me with those kind of nits; If you have strong evidence concerning other characters, please let me know.
All my 'age theories' are supported by Teen Titans #1/2, published in 2004. In that issue, there are flashback sequences that chronicle Titans history. Flash to 10 years ago: Dick Grayson's parents die. Flash to 6 years ago: Rose Wilson is schooled at home by her mother, Lili. Flash to 5 years ago: Ravager I is killed. Flash to 3 years ago: Slade is forced to kill Jericho. Flash to 2 years ago: Cadmus attempts to clone Superman. Flash to 18 months ago: Rose deals with the death of her mother. Flash to one week ago: Bart Allen is shot by Slade. If you track the ages to this timeline, it all lines up, more or less.
OK, here's the rundown as I see it:
Dick Grayson [Nightwing] Age: 25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Donna Troy [Troia] Age: 25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Wally West [Flash] Age: 25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Roy Harper [Arsenal] Age: 25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2
Garth [Tempest] Age: 26 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; But there is an addendum. Garth spent "many months" in another dimension training with Atlan while mere seconds pass (established in Showcase '96 #1 [1996]). This now makes him the oldest Titan by a year or so.
Lilith Clay [Omen] Age: 24
when she died Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She appears to be the same age as the original five.
Hank Hall [Hawk] Age: 23 Rationale: Died in the 90s a year passed since he would be the same age as the original five.. but since he wasnt brought back till brightest day and a few years had passed hed be 23
Don Hall [Dove] Age: 25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He appears to be the same age as the original five.
Mal Duncan [Herald] Age: 24/25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He appears to be the same age as the original five. Mal and Karen always somehow SEEM older, since they have these careers and have settled into marriage life so young. You could make an argument that they are a year or so older.
Duela Dent [Harlequin] Age: 23
when she died Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She appears to be around the same age as the original Titans; I'm placing her a bit younger since she joined later and seems a bit more immature.
Karen Beecher [Bumblebee] Age: 24/25 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; She appears to be the same age as the original five. Mal and Karen always somehow SEEM older, since they have these careers and have settled into marriage life so young. You could make an argument that they are a year or so older.
Bette Kane [Flamebird] Age: 23 Rationale: I'm placing Bette a couple years younger than Dick Grayson, since she was such an airheaded groupie in the beginning. I'll attribute than to immaturity. She also appears a bit younger the way the team looked down on her for years.
Charley Parker [Golden Eagle] Age: 23 Rationale: See Rules 1 and 2; He is established as 16 years old when he was introduced in JUSTICE LEAGUE #116 [1975]; He appears to be around the same age as the original Titans; I'm placing him a bit younger since he joined later and seems a bit more irresponsible.
Gar Logan [Beast Boy] Age: 23 Rationale: he was 16 at the start of NTT, years past he turned 18 sometime after Crisis with and they clearly state he is not a kid anymore during possessed gar and ravens time going around cosplaying bonnie and clyde killing people we see him going to clubs at the time he is definitely 19 he is drawn taller and older, 2 years pass he is 22, it was even confirmed in an interview he was 22 and we see his cousin who is his age drinking in Dicks limo and he even drinks in a club in his mini and is established as being 3 years younger then dick so he is 23 the same age as Bette Kane who he is shown buddying with a lot
Vic Stone [Cyborg] Age: 25 Rationale: Cyborg is established as the same age as Donna, Dick and Wally. They all started college the same year [right before NEW TEEN TITANS #1]. In NEW TEEN TITANS #20, the Titans celebrate Vic's birthday and Donna says. "So you're nineteen. Welcome to the club."
Kory [Starfire] Age: 24 Rationale: Close in age to the original five Titans, Kory seemed just a tad younger. I place here one year younger than them.
Raven Age: 18 [Physically] Mentally [23 Years Old] Rationale: Ravens age is confusing.. she was summoned the New Teen Titans shortly after her 18th birthday, which placed her at the same age as Kory [TALES OF THE TEEN TITANS (mini series) #2 [1982]: Raven's origin; Raven mentions when she turned 18, she sensed Trigon's evil and sought out the Titans.]. So would have been 23 years old by the 2000s. But Raven was reborn in the 2003 TEEN TITANS series. A tad bit younger then when she came the first time.. around 17 i am ignoring Titans 2008 cause that is inconsistent as all hell.. and just a bad series.. im gonna say shes 18
Arella Age: 37 when she died Rationale: She ran away from home when she was 17 years old [as told in TEEN TITANS [third series] #8]. When the New Teen Titans formed, Raven was 18 so Arella was 35 years old. Add a couple of years to get to the Titans Hunt phase, when she died.
Terry Long Age: 32 when he died Rationale: In NEW TEEN TITANS #20, Terry Long mentions he's 29 years old - he's exactly 10 years older than Donna. He died in WONDER WOMAN #121 [1997].
Robert Long Age: 3 when he died Rationale: Robert was born in TEAM TITANS #3 [1992]. He was established as 3 years old in GREEN LANTERN #82 a few years later. Now, this would age Robert too rapidly for a comic book timeline; I'll attribute that to the rapid-godhood-aging that perhaps began before the Titans of Myth halted it. He died in WONDER WOMAN #121 [1997].
Tara Markov [Terra I] Age: 16 when she died Rationale: Terra joined the Titans when she was 15 years old - and celebrated her 16th birthday in NEW TEEN TITANS #34.
Joe Wilson [Jericho] Age: 20 Rationale: Joe Wilson is two years younger than his brother, Grant. Grant was just about the same age as the Titans when he became the Ravager. I'll place Grant as one year older than the original Titans, and Joey one year younger. Since he has not taken corporal form since TITANS HUNT, he could be younger even - frozen at his TITANS HUNT age - which would be 20 years old.
Frances Kane [Magenta] Age: 24 Rationale: She's the same age as Wally.
Kole Weathers Age: 18 when she died [?] Rationale: Kole states she is "At least eighteen now" in NEW TEEN TITANS #10 [1985]; If she's still alive, she'd be 22 now.
Azrael [The Angel.. not to be confused with Jean Paul Valley] Age: ?? Rationale: He's of alien origin - he could be 5 years old or 5,000 for all we know.
Chris King [Dial H] Age: 20/21 Rationale: He was 14 when he received the dial. He had just started college when he met the Titans in NEW TEEN TITANS #45-46 [1988]. So he is definitely 2-3 years younger than the original Titans. Plus, he is in college still now, so he must be college age.
Danny Chase Age: 14 when he died Rationale: Danny Chase was 13 years old when introduced in NEW TEEN TITANS ANNUAL #3 [1988]. He died in NEW TITANS #84 [1992].
Pantha Age: 24 when she died Rationale: Total guess. When in doubt, I'll place them the same age as the original Titans, unless evidence suggests otherwise. Pantha doesn't even know how old she is.
Leonid Kovar [Red Star] Age: 25 Rationale: He appears to the same age of the original Titans when he first met them way back in TEEN TITANS #18.
Baby Wildebeest Age: 3 when he died Rationale: A year younger than Lian Harper seems just about right. And his toddler status in TITANS #20 seems to support this.
Miri Delgado [Mirage] Age: 22 Rationale: Miri was about 18 years old when the TEAM TITANS series was published. Since then, she's gone through a pregnancy and birth. Placing TOTAL CHAOS and those events 3 years ago seems about right.
Tara Markov [Terra II] Age: 19 when Rationale: She was 16 when the TEAM TITANS series was published; She was an exact doppelganger for Terra I, who was 16 when she died. Placing TOTAL CHAOS and those events 3 years ago seems about right.
Charlie Watkins [Killowat] Age: 15/16 when he was erased Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18.
Carrie Levine [Redwing] Age: 15/16 when she was erased Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18. Carrie and Jon Levine joined the resistence when they were about 15 years old, as established in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]
Jon Levine [Prestor Jon] Age: 15/16 when he was erased Rationale: A good guess. Definitely younger than Mirage; All the Teamers attended high school during TEAM TITANS, which means they were between 14-18. Carrie and Jon Levine joined the resistence when they were about 15 years old, as established in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]
Dagon [Nightrider] Age: 14 when he was erased Rationale: He is established as 14 years old in his origin story in TEAM TITANS #1 [1992]. Vampires don't age. Seems young, given his appearance; Maybe supernatural powers make you appear more buff.
Battalion Age: ?? Rationale: Really hard to hazard a guess. The weathered soldier could be anywhere between 30 and 50 years old.
Bart Allen [Kid Flash] Age: 16 [chronologically only 3 years] Rationale: Bart is chronologically only 3 years old since his age has been hyperaccelerated. He is established as stabalizing at 14 years old when he came to the past in FLASH #92-93. That was around the time of ZERO HOUR - the same time Wally is established as 23 years old. More recently, in SECRET ORIGINS 80-PAGE GIANT #1 [1998], Bart states: "When I was one, I looked three. When I was two, I looked twelve." When asked how old he is now, he says: "Three. Fifteen. Depends." he is established as 16 at the end of new earth
Grant Emerson [Damage] Age: 18 Rationale: He was established as 16 years old when his DAMAGE series began. Damage is decribed as: "Damage is 16-year-old high school student Grant Emerson, who suddenly discovered he was a superhuman with incredible explosive powers." I placed about a year and a half between DAMAGE #1 and now. Plus, he's close in age to Argent.
Kyle Rayner [Green Lantern] Age: 23 Rationale: I place Kyle as two years younger than the original Titans. When Kyle dated Donna, Donna mentioned she was a little older than him.
Linda Danvers [Supergirl] Age: 21 Rationale: She was in college through the run of her series.
Minion Age: 14 Rationale: I don't think his age was ever established, but seemed much younger than the other Titans.
Rose Wilson Age: 16 Rationale: She was established as 14 years old in DEATHSTROKE ANNUAL #4 [1995]. Everything else in that time period is 'about a year ago'. another year passed with one year later putting her at 16
Ray Palmer [Atom] Age: 17 when he was a Titan Rationale: It was stated he was de-aged to 17 years old after ZERO HOUR. in TEEN TITANS [second series] #1 [1996] he says he's 17 years old. He's now back to his proper age - in his mid-30s.
Toni Monetti [Argent] Age: 18 Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H'San Natall seeds were conceived the same day.
Cody Driscoll [Risk] Age: 18 Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H'San Natall seeds were conceived the same day.
Isiah Crockett [Joto] Age: 18 Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H'San Natall seeds were conceived the same day.
Prysm Age: 18 Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H'San Natall seeds were conceived the same day.
Fringe Age: 18 Rationale: All the Teen Titans in this group celebrated their 16th birthdays in TEEN TITANS #1 [1996]. All H'San Natall seeds were conceived the same day.
Freddie Freeman [Captain Marvel Jr.] Age: 19 Ratonale: he is shown to be in college during Trial of Shazam so 19 seems about right
Jesse Quick Age: 27 Rationale: She's definitely a little older than the original Titans. She was already out of college and working on her thesis when she was introduced in the early 1990's. She runs her own company.
'Hero' Cruz Age: 16/17 Rationale: Just a guess. All the Ravers seemed about the same age as Superboy - which is 16.
Ryuko Orsono [Bushido] Age: 17/18 Rationale: Just a guess. He seems younger than Gar, but old enough to assume a lot of responsibility for the Bushido legacy.
Cerdian Age: 1 Rationale: Garth's son Cerdian is born in AQUAMAN #63 [2000] hed be 1 year before infinite crisis
Tim Drake [Red Robin] Age: 17 Rationale: Tim celebrated his 16th birthday in an issue of ROBIN just prior to he start of the 2003 TEEN TITANS series. Tim also assumed the Robin mantle when he was 14 - which supports his current 'age theory' one year later puts him at 17
Kon-El [Superboy] Age: 17 [chronologically only 1-2 years] Rationale: It was established that Kon was frozen at the age of 16 during practically the whole run of SUPERBOY and YOUNG JUSTICE. Kon was 'created' from scratch after the 'death' of Superman, so he's chronologically only 1-2 years old. Superboy is aging normally now, though, after the events of SINS OF YOUTH [1999]. died his age was frozen came back, in superboy 2011 simon valentine is shown to be looking through colleges so he is definitely in his senior year
Cassie Sandsmark [Wonder Girl] Age: 16 Rationale: Cassie was established as 14 years old when introduced in the pages of Wonder Woman #105 [1996]. I would place her at about 16 years old by the time one year later takes place.
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fancyfade · 6 months ago
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Fully Atlantean Aquaman: Pre COIE, Aquaman is as you probably know him from the movies: Born of Atlanna and lighthouse keeper Tom Curry. Post COIE, they introduce Aquaman as a character who was abandoned at birth for being blond. He was raised by dolphins before meeting Arthur Curry who taught him how to speak and do human stuff. Since new 52, this has been de-canonized and he is now movie-origin-aquaman again.
Titanseed Donna Troy: pre COIE, Wonder Girl was initially flashback Wonder Woman, then became a new character when the writer of the first Teen Titans comic didn't read Wonder Woman comics (and it showed). Eventually she was a girl Wonder Woman rescued from a fire who got powers from the other Amazons. Post COIE, Donna Troy has amnesia and does not know where she is from but it is revealed she is one of twelve children who were rescued by Titans of Myth, who gave them part of their powers and raised them on New Cronos in space, then took their memories away and jettisoned them to their original planets.
Fel Andar Hawkman: Pre COIE, silver age hawkman (the thanagarian) was a space cop from Thanagar coming to earth to capture Byth and also learn about police techniques. post COIE, katar was doing something else so he could not have taken place in silver age justice league adventures, so this was retconned to be Fel Andar, a thanagarian double agent who came to earth claiming he was Carter Hall (golden age hawkman)'s son. He betrays the JL during Invasion and also I think brainwashed his hawkgirl?
Literal-Fury powered Lyta Trevor and Helena Kosmatos: Pre COIE, Lyta was the daughter of Earth 2 Wonder woman and Steve Trevor (and helena did not exist). She had Amazon powers. Post COIE, Lyta gets her powers from the greek Furies, though she does not know that at first. They reveal that her biological mother (Helena Kosmatos) vowed revenge after she believed her nazi collaborator brother caused her mother's death, and she channeled Tisiphone. Helena at least can be fully taken over by Tisiphone, during which she is much more powerful, and also angry and murderous.
Byrne's Krypton: I was going to just say "Superman being literally the last son of Krypton" (no surviving Kryptonians besides him) but realized Byrne put in sooooooo many retcons. Anyway, he decided krypton was a very emotionless place and they didn't fuck, and superman was grown in a gestation chamber that literally birthed him on earth.
Atlantean Powergirl: In Earth 2, Kara (powergirl) is probably as you know her, she's from krypton but got to earth later. IIRC she was raised by Robots on a space ship but it's been a while since I read Infinity Inc. Post COIE, they have her be Arion's (a powerful mage from Atlantis in the past)... daughter? Grand daughter? Sadly I haven't read the comics that explained her origin.
Newbie Wonder Woman/George Perez's Wonder Woman and Themyscira: The main reason Donna's origin had to be changed was because Wonder Woman was completely relaunched - she was no longer around since Batman and Superman were, but came onto the scene as a superhero after Donna Troy as Wonder Girl was on Teen Titans. Perez also re-introduces Amazon lore, including the name Themyscira for paradise island.
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gaybae1021 · 1 year ago
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Kiki’s Rainbow Baby
Tw: Mentions of abortion and miscarriage
So I’ve had a lot of thoughts about motherhood in mcd. With Jess having a lot of kids, Aphmau the character ending up with 4 children by season 3, and Irene’s og title being “the Matron”, I think motherhood is a big theme in mcd. By itself that isn’t a bad thing, I love parental relationships, and the prevalence of adopted families is very wholesome. That being said, this theme of motherhood sometimes clashes with the actual content of the story. Specifically in regards to Travis’s mother, and Kiki.
Both of them ended up pregnant by absolutely despicable people, and at least for Kiki, came as a complete surprise. Despite this, the story can’t even fathom the idea that they wouldn’t want these children. They aren’t even allowed to have complicated feelings about it. I know abortion is a heavy topic that might’ve not have been appropriate for the age of the audience, but not only were the characters not offered a choice, another option just fully does not exist within the story. They are assumed to be baby-crazy, probably because that’s what Jess feels.
I’m going to largely focus on Kiki because Travis’s mom was never really much of a character, and my rewrite of her is still in progress. So here’s my thoughts about Kiki.
The amulet from the og mcd is the most terrifying thing I’ve seen outside of a horror movie. At least with sex people recognize that pregnancy is a risk. But Kiki was given a piece of jewelry, something she assumed was just a gift. And because of that simple act she experienced severe pregnancy symptoms had a child to take care of. As someone with a fear of getting pregnant this would absolutely cause me to have a complete mental breakdown. Because of this I’ve removed the amulet from the story entirely.
In my rewrite, Zane and Kiki just have a normal one-night stand. Zane is less of an outright evil monster in my version, but that being said, his fling with Kiki was still built entirely off of deception, disguising both his identity and appearance. So I still wanted Kiki to have a strong reason to keep the pregnancy.
Shoutout to jurygarroth’s trans Kiki comic, not only is it wholesome, I also think it’s an excellent explanation for why Kiki would be excited about being a mom separate from her feelings about Zane. I definitely wanted to do something along those lines. Though obviously without the amulet, trans Kiki isn’t an option for me, so I had to come up with something else.
So I imagine Kiki is one of the slightly older characters, around late twenties during season 1. After the events surrounding Donna and Logan’s wedding, Kiki started to feel off. After this feeling persisted for a few weeks she went to Zoey, who confirmed that she was pregnant. Despite the unfortunate circumstances surrounding it, after the initial shock Kiki was actually very happy about the news. However, as time went on Kiki began acting strangely. She isolated herself from her friends and brother. Her only significant interactions were her frequent check-ups with Zoey, with her growing more and more paranoid over every little thing.
Aph, growing increasingly concerned about Kiki, went to Brendan. He admitted that knew what was bothering Kiki, but also said it wasn’t his place to talk about it without her there. So Aph decided to pay Kiki a visit.
After some pushing, Kiki revealed that she was married when she was younger, but that marriage had fallen apart after a series of infertility issues and multiple miscarriages. Kiki had come to Phoenix Drop as a way to start over, a new place where she could focus on finding new things that made her happy, rather than hoping for something that just wasn’t meant to be. It’s why she got interested in animal care and handling. But even after finding her passion, it didn’t make her losses hurt any less.
Kiki had gotten into other romances while staying in Phoenix Drop, but always cut things off before they got too serious. To her, being alone was easier than risking more loss, both in terms of her lost children and her first partner’s rejection of her.
But now, she was pregnant again. And unlike the first times, she hadn’t even had to try. She took this as a sign, that if the pregnancy had come so easy then maybe this time, it would work. But she was so determined to not lose it that she was scared to do anything that might cause her physical or emotional stress. But of course, isolating herself with just her thoughts during this delicate time was only causing her harm.
Aph was, of course, heartbroken that Kiki had been going through this by herself. She eventually convinces Kiki to talk to Zoey about it, who gets Kiki to start going outside again. Kiki starts to open up to the rest of the village, and builds a good support system.
Leona was ultimately very premature, and had several complications. Zoey didn’t have much hope for Leona surviving beyond a few days, but Kiki was absolutely unwilling to accept that. The day after literally giving birth she took Leona to Bodolf’s tribe, in the hopes that turning Leona would give her the extra strength she needed. The turn was successful, and Leona’s health improved. Kiki finally got to see her child open their eyes.
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c7phers · 2 years ago
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waiting for a meta post on kory's relationship with her father and how it shaped how she looks at and approaches relationships, but so far i haven't found any, so here we go ig.
myand'r gave kory abandonment issues, it's clear as day. whenever kory is there in the comics, and if it's obvious or not, she clings onto people. now, this could just be her general extroverted nature, but it's pretty obvious to me that it's not healthy. she does have extreme reactions to being left alone or the thought of being left alone but simultaneously we can see her attempting to cover it up by slowly pulling away because she doesn't want to be dependent on anyone.
dick in a way during the ntt run (because let's be real he was not always a good boyfriend) aggravated the already existing issues kory had, because at the end of the day, her father was the one who abandoned her first. i think at the end of the day, she expects to be left behind, to be abandoned just like how her entire family did. she feels like she doesn't belong anywhere (the part in ntt when shes in tamaran battling her conflicting emotions on how shes not enough of an earthling, nor does she feel fully tamaranean anymore).
kory willingly put people's (especially those who she loves) emotions above her because of her fear of losing them (something she obviously took from her dads behaviour).
she agreed to the marriage with karras because she believed that that was what she needed to do, but simultaneously her wishing dick would say something, and save her somehow told me that she was not ready to fully stand up for herself which explains the cognitive dissonance she feels for the next couple of issues.
its also obvious to the readers and the characters outside that everything her father did is 50 shades of fucked up, but she cannot see past her idealised version of her father, she cannot get herself to come to terms with the fact that at the end of the day, her father sold her as a bargaining chip to the gordanians which lead to 5 years of slavery (amongst other fucked up things he's done) it's easier for her to pin it all on kom, especially because kom did have some type of involvement.
the entire time when she's trying to fight alone for the throne when myand'r has given up shows to me that she cannot see how her father wasn't ever a good father, but wasn't really a good king either. he isn't completely to blame for this (i can elaborate on this in another post).
in the end with her, everything started with her father. he abandoned her first, and her mother simply let her get sold into slavery, effectively abandoning her too. the man she loved franklin (for a bit at least even if i do not agree w the storyline), karras, her parents again, her planet, donna, ph'yzzon, her planet again, her unborn child, her entire team. they all left somehow in the end.
kory loves people, she truly does love them. but also, it's obvious enough to me that she's not just afraid of being left alone, she also expects to be left behind, every single time ; inevitably, alone with her pain and grief, again and again and again.
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unlikelyjapan · 1 year ago
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s2e6 rewatch notes - part 1
I'm breaking this up over two days (for length, clarity, and my own mental health) - I pause and scribble my way through scenes as I go, so there may be a few repeats here and there.
Natalie's bereft face in the opening, attempting to disassociate but failing miserably because that's not her coping style. She obviously doesn't even smoke by the way she's holding the cigarette, she just does it because - much like working inside a commercial kitchen - it's the only legitimate excuse for a break from the chaos. Both she and Mikey act like they've just exited the fog of war (because they have) and - unlike Carmy - they've never had the emotional or material means to escape it.
Sugar's "No one can make anyone else act a certain way" comment to Mikey - it's very clear that they perceive mental illness from very different angles. Mikey admonishes Natalie for her check-ins as an attempt to blunt/control Donna's outbursts, and Sugar's skepticism of Mikey's strategy of just riding the lightning/ignoring the outburst (while acknowledging that he and Carmy have more success, but she attributes most of that to being the female middle child of a grievously ill female narcissist).
Carmy coming out = a hot mess of family dynamics. He asks Mikey (innocently enough) to come in and handle the crowd by being "fun cool guy" and Mikey assures him that he will, but with a vacant look in his eye (no wonder this man was on drugs, what other choices was he afforded?). Fak is literally yelling indistinctly inside, upping the chaos, as Richie bursts outdoors amidst the three siblings to ask if "there's any family shit going on that he should know about".
Along with just trying to be ok themselves, these three adult Berzattos are a magnet for every other wayward adult-child who needs a home to reckon with their own trauma, and their inclusion becomes their problem as well and only ups the frequency of the despair. Mikey literally makes space for the three of them by dismissing Richie "for a minute", and you can tell that's not normal protocol.
"Would it kill you to pick up the phone?" - Carmy is already wounded by Mikey more than 4 years before his death. You can immediately tell by Mikey's earnest response (along with his previous discussion with Sugar) that he was just keeping Carmy at arms length to ensure he never returned, to spare just one of them from a life of hardship. In spite of everything else we see about Mikey and how poorly he manages his trauma in this episode, he is an inherently good brother who started early in inciting loathing in the person he loves above all others just to save him.
I wanted to peek behind the "Our Mother of Victory, Pray for Us" bit, as you know damn well it wasn't selected by Storer by accident. The whole idea is that Mary, the Mother of Victory "pleads our cause with a mother’s heart and concern with whatever we bring her. Confident that Our Lady’s prayers are always heard we pray"
I may be reading too much into this, but that's a whole fuckton of power projected onto Donna. Even though it's said in jest, its maternal compassion and mercy that was never extended to the Berzatto kids. It could also be seen as "only Donna's prayers are heard and answered" (through the placating and emotional gymnastics performed by her children) so they utter this little prayer to her as much as they do to God - for control, for relative calm, for the day to simply be ok. They know better than to expect much more than that.
What is the actual point of Fak and Ted? I mean this narratively. I know that the Ricky actor who plays Ted originally worked on the set of The Bear in S1. Did the producers think they had an awesome "boys club" vibe and just plop them in as chauvinistic comic relief? Or is this part of a long-con? Do Fak and Teddy embezzle all of The Bear's money and retreat to Hawaii or something? Right now it's giving "Matty Matheson needs to sell more cookware" and I need a reason for this set-up, as the rest of the players offer more than enough relevant chaos to the episode.
Also, when they ask "Mrs. B, are our skateboards in here? Can we sleep over?" as Donna is cycling in the kitchen - Matty Matheson is in his 40's, so he time-traveled back to a rough-looking 35 to freeload off of his fake-besties Mom and aid in her spiral? I don't get the age timelines/ideas on what arrested development in this show are anymore....
"Say the fucking words" - ooof. I feel like a lot of ink has already been spilled on what the word "love" means in the Berzatto realm, but no wonder Carmy can't comprehend it even when it's right in front of him. Love to him is sacrifice and struggle, panic attacks, pacifying meltdowns, idealization and inevitable betrayal (hello other shoe!), and just saying the word because it diffuses an argument - not unlike rubbing one's chest.
So....what's the likelihood that the abusive chef at EMP is just a projection of Donna living rent-free in Carmy's head at this point? The way she lobs the ball at Carmy with all of the elements that need to be swapped when the timer goes off, the practical matters of running a high-pressure kitchen trailed with jests and insults and total emasculation. Yeah...I think it's pretty high up there.
The second Richie and Carmy trade off the homemade Sprite (before Carmy can grab the prosciutto and mortadella that his mom asked for 2 seconds ago) is just enough silence for Donna to feel abandoned and start unravelling again/start screaming about moving the pot. I can't quite place my finger on the weird amalgam of mental illnesses they gave this woman (hit me up, psych majors) but if its not over-scripted/acted, its a lot.....
Richie and Mikeys "Just take a break from being a mopey little fuck" - phew, these dudes really think that a high-school chick will be Carmy's salvation.
"I don't have a love of my life?" Carmy doesn't even flinch or show recognition of who they're talking about at first, and then it dawns on him that they've probably embarrassed him and he wants to crawl in a hole and die (which is the most honest feeling expressed this episode to date).
And wow. Donna intercepts the whole thing by throwing a spoon at Stevie and screaming "Richard, bring her the fucking pop!" - a.k.a the title of the previous episode with the house party. Those words ended the gang's harassment re: Claire, but then future Carmy willingly waded right back into the abyss of thoughtless conversations, bullying, projections, others' expectations, and the terrible Christmas.
Ok, that's it for now - I'll be back on my bullshit tomorrow.
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jewishcissiekj · 1 year ago
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OK so a few things about Cassie's two pages in Wonder Woman #800:
Cassie dreams about herself in her YJ days. She looks back to that as her idea of herself. Call that repressing her 00s trauma, wanting to be who she was once, whatever you will, it actually explains the way she's acted since 2019 YJ. If that's who she wants to be, who she feels like, of course, she won't move on. Of course, she'll stay in her Wonder Woman fangirl phase. She doesn't see herself as the person shaped by Kon's and Bart's deaths and everyone leaving her and leading the Teen Titans & Young Justice. She sees the Wonder Girl before Donna's death, before things got complicated. Yes, it's really just a nice callback to the early 00s and to that time in Wonder Woman's history, but it CAN mean much more, and I choose to believe it does.
Who chooses Cassie to view herself like that? The writers. Out of universe. So if that's how writers view her, and Wonder Girl from 20 years ago, that's how she'll be written. And that's how she's written in Trial of the Amazons (essentially from the same writers). Where did her character development go? Great question, they just don't want to deal with that. Character regression at its best, from the very expert writers of DC Comics.
Cassie and Diana's relationship is SO hard to define. Mentor and mentee? No, and Cassie said it best in DCYJ, somehow. It's just so much more than that. Mother and daughter? yeah, but actually no because Donna is the sister of both of them. Sisters? No, not really, it feels like there's too much difference in experience and age and it just doesn't work as a general term for them. However, it does work at certain points. See some post One Year Later Wonder Woman comics that describe it like that. Friends? Yeah...? I mean, they are. and that's how the story describes them. "It's always been easy to love my friends." I don't hate that approach, but it lacks. However, it describes their relationship in recent years pretty well.
Lastly, on a more positive note about Cassie's character, I'm so glad she believes Diana & her and defeat Darkseid together because hell yeah. They can. Fuck power scaling, watch them defeat Darkseid with the power of FRIENDSHIP. Sisterhood, even. We love to see it.
And, of course, the pages because I won't rest until every Cassie fan out there sees them:
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redrikki · 6 months ago
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Mother's Day Master List
Avatar: The Last Airbender & Legend of Korra
Gather Up Every Wayward Lock - The girls do their hair (Katara, Azula, Toph)
Ten-Thousand Words (Which Won't See the Light of Day) - There are things they can't say. There are things they wont say. There are actions which speak louder than words. A series of short stories about the ladies of Legend of Korra. (Katara, Asami, Ikki, Pema, Lin, Senna, Zhu Li, Ginger)
Chips and Blocks - Lin called Toph 'Chif' for years before some well-meaning busybody taught her to say 'Mom' instead. Toph isn't sure what kind of mom she is, but she knows which kind she doesn't want to be. (Toph, Lin)
Sweep, Stir, Slow - When your daughter is the Avatar, motherhood is an exercise in letting go. (Senna/Tonraq, Korra)
Batman Comics
Mother of Pearl - Damian knew nothing about his grandmother aside from the manner of her death. It was time to change that. (Damian Wayne, Martha Wayne)
The Boys
Maybe It's Maybelline - Maybe she's born with it, or maybe it's Compound V. What kind of parent lets someone inject their kid with an experimental superpower serum? (Donna January)
Earth's Children
Only a Motion Away - But the mother and child reunion/Is only a motion away (Durc, Nezzie)
Ms. Marvel (Comics)
After Curfew - Disha Khan lay awake and wondered what she had done that Allah would give her such a daughter. (Disha Khan)
She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
Shadow Over Mystacor - After Shadow Weaver's attack on Mystacor, Adora just wants to relax, but that's hard to do when it's all your fault. (Adora, Glimmer, Bow)
A Song of Ice & Fire
Strange Children In Our Bed - It had been seven long months since Catelyn's husband had been home and in her bed. Theon Greyjoy was the only thing spoiling their reunion. (Catelyn Stark/Ned Stark)
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
One Last Leap - Telling his parents he's Spider-Man is a leap of faith Miles can't bring himself to take. (Miles Morales, Rio Morales, Jeff Davis, May Parker)
Star Wars
May the Force Get With You - The night her son is conceived Shmi has the best sex dream of her life. Something with a krayt dragon or a bantha or maybe just a ray of light. Too bad that's not what happens. Turns out, the Force is a lousy lay and a worse father. (Shmi/The Force)
Pain Management - Anger can get a slave killed. Shmi teaches her son some coping strategies. (Shmi, Anakin)
The Force Is In The Details - Continuation of The Force is in the Details. Slavery is as much a state of mind as it is a bomb under her skin. The chance cube lands on red and Shmi struggles with being free. (Shmi, Anakin, Padmé, Qui-Gon)
The Anchor That You Can't Leave Behind - On the queen's yacht headed back to Naboo, Anakin and Padmé miss their mothers but Obi-Wan doesn't get why. (Anakin, Padmé, Obi-Wan)
Domestic Life Was Never Quite My Style - Despite her best efforts, Padmé is pregnant. Now she has a difficult decision to make. (Padme/Anakin)
Second Wind - Ahsoka takes the wrong exit from the world between worlds and ends up with a second chance to save her master. (Ahsoka, Shmi)
Red Fish, Blue Fish - Leia bought an aquarium for her child like her father before her. In a perfect world she could raise Ben to fill his grandfather's legacy. Too bad he had more than one. (Leia Organa, Ben Solo)
The Last Truce We Ever Came To - Darth Vader is dead but he won't leave Leia alone. (Leia Organa, Anakin Skywalker, Ben Solo)
White Collar
Eyes on the Target (The Solid Ground Remix) - Peter asked her to keep an eye on Neal for him while he's stuck in jail. It could be going better. (Diana Berrigan, Neal Caffery, Peter Burke)
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reclusivedouche · 1 year ago
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Riverdale 7x12 Thoughts
This two boys opening, where Archie and Reggie are obviously on a bisexual journey
Leave Julian Blossom in a coma tbh
Especially how Clifford wants to blame Reggie like bro your stupid kid did the thing
I think Archie should sock Clifford Julian-style bc honestly Clifford could not take Archie
Sheriff Keller really is the worst version of himself in season 7 like he is so much worse at Sheriff-ing
Juggy defending Ethel from going back to the sisters like just kiss her already omg
Alice is absolutely insane omg the way she is just like my mother where she acts like she isn't a fucking asshole
Honestly if she was gonna like fake adopt Ethel she should've given her Betty's room
The way every episode is like Archie having to ponder while someone (Reggie, or the gays) are going through it like he is a fool but like I love him anyway but
the storytelling choices
It truly never occurred to Veronica she could break into her own home like?
OMG Mrs. Thornton is so dirty for just reading Archie's poem out loud and then naming him as the author to the whole class
GIRL WHY
Archie looking so pressed while she reads it is the same energy I had when I had to sit through my own play being read at a showcase
KEVIN THINKING IT WAS CLAY WHO WROTE IT
Push him out the window
Additionally, tho, has Archie broken bread with Kevin and Clay over the gay things??
Sports where we're really saying bulldog brother in distress
this stupid comic book thing I need to know what Francis Dupont Werthers is DOING
Am absolutely loving that Ethel is actually getting story ???
Even tho like LET HER LIPS TOUCH JUGGY'S
Or another boy (or girl w/e)
Not Julian tho
That fucker
Honestly Archie should also punch Uncle Frank for being stupid
Betty looked so upset when she thought Archie and Reggie were coming over
Old white men wanting to go back to the old days??? Always a red flag
Clifford is really out here threatening to kill Cheryl as if he did not kills Jason 65 years ago in the future or whatever
Omg my friend had to tell me the song was from South Pacific and now that I know, I'm having a very visceral memory of the time I was in South Pacific (as the only non-singing part tho lmao)
There were a lot of gross men in that bc they could sing (and I mean the actors not the like characters tho...)
The choreo is so much better in Riverdale tho
Even if it involves Kevin
Like could Clay kiss a hot man? Idk
Betty getting a gay ex boyfriend like? Good for her. But like get rid of Kevin
Veronica is so thirsty and I'm so into it except when she's being a predator to out gays (to herself)
Dilton having a huge dick tho is my absolute favorite throwaway detail like yes
HUNGOVER AND STARING AT DILTON
Is this thing where Mrs. Thornton is suddenly like the teacher is bc she's the one who's gonna be accused of communism
Is that happening next week with the outings? Eek
The comic boss dude being like immediately ready to have Ethel draw like yes I love it
He's dead I mean literally you killed him lol
Very pleased we actually get to see Mary working part time at the dress shop
The way they speak to her like she is the one who curates the dresses being sold
I simply don't understand why we have to have Brett Weston Wallace but we don't also get Donna like give us Donna!
Let the boys kiss while they do the dishes
Justice for Ethel!!!
Is Jughead still drinking powdered milk or is that gone now that the milkman is dead
I better see a canon kiss between Betty and Veronica in a future episode or ELSE
THEY ARE IN LOVE
Love only getting Polly in name tho I'm sure we'll have to deal with her at some point this season
Betty is also the ultimate ex-girlfriend
MARY ANDREWS GO AWAY
LET THEM KISS
Okay tho Mary then reading the riot act to Alice, who is completely unbothered lmao
They will legitimately drag anyone to Riverdale but never Katy Keene give us KATY
I heard the good word from the bird
Jughead is wise beyond his years??? Somewhere in there is a memory of the future!
Veronica called Betty ;-;
These boys are going to WRESTLE
Just let them kiss my god
Archie asking Reggie to wear his dad's patch
BOYFRIENDS
Like Reggie knows Archie likes to write poems
Write him a poem
Also are we gonna have to see Archie at the Dark Room lmao
Ugh okay next week is gonna be a full trip I am not ready
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shadethechangingman · 1 year ago
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thought i posted this but i didnt: weekly comic thoughts
decent art in batman vs scooby this week
every time tk writes orion i die again i need him fired sooo bad
i dont totally hate superboy MOT but i wish it was Superboy and the Ravers 2
batman inc is soooo bad to the batman inc characters wtf. whitewashed art/every single artist neglecting to draw bat-man of china fat/brisson’s OCs beating up all the old batman inc guys/The Writing™ of everyone realy. i love grey wolf but the rest of this comic is killing me
donna x garth PUUUUKE but waid deciding to undo “robin as the fifth teen titan” decision already is interesting but NO complaints from me i hated that i have strong feelings on roy as the final original titan
i need to read the old doom patrol stuff but degenerate really is such a 90s DC Character like they nailed it soooo well he reminds me of a grittier/meaner Major Bummer lol
i never got around to reading golden eagles comics but now i kinda want to so i can complain
i had TOTALLY forgotten about the joker raises baby batman manga so reading that was. interesting. i liked the superman getting lunch one more
kngiht terrors flash wasnt uploaded yet so i havent read it 
i had only seen the text from this panel and thought it was xanthe speaking and was like woahh what a plot twist its crazy that happened to cassandra too and now im actually reading it like oh yeah that makes more sense
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[ID: Cassandra Cain Batgirl from DC Comics looking scared. She’s saying “my mother. She killed me. then brought me back.” Constantine and Xanthe are standing to her sides and looking at her. End ID]
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unproduciblesmackdown · 1 year ago
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meanwhile, some quotes about the material:
The "musical within a musical" is about a ramshackle theater troupe haphazardly putting on a show destined for Broadway in exchange for doing chores around the farm. People fall in and out of love throughout the process, all while the city folk comically struggle with the country life. Emmy-winning writer Cheri Steinkellner was given one mandate, however: "No tractor," she laughed on the phone just weeks before the show was set to begin previews. "They were adamant about that. And there's a tractor in the movie. There's a tractor in almost every scene. It's in many ways about a tractor. But I was told absolutely no tractor." [...] "We're all working on this like we're on an actual summer stock schedule. Art imitates life imitates art. It's just go, go, go. And I couldn't be prouder of our cast, and our Jane and Joe," Steinkellner, who is also a Golden Globe winner, said. Her writing partner also happens to be her husband Bill. "Our 'Summer Stock' is more 'inspired by' than adaptation. There are four songs included from the original film that you can't not do. But the new songs are the best of the old songs. The secret sauce was the great American Songbook." She said "It Had To Be You" is one of the classics audiences can expect.  
[source: ‘High School Musical’s’ Corbin Bleu makes his Goodspeed debut in ‘Summer Stock’]
So, how different is the musical Summer Stock from the movie? It feels like a whole new animal, even though we’ve borrowed some elements from the movie. It is still, first and foremost, a love letter to the theater; it’s about this group of players who come to a farm to put on a show. So many numbers are how they get into farming through performance! We also still focus on how Joe and his partner Phil [played by Gilbert L. Bailey II] fight to get the show on its feet, and how Joe helps his eventual love interest Jane [played by Danielle Wade] find her inner performer. But a lot has changed from the film, including some of the relationships. We have a brilliant new writer, Cheri Steinkellner, who has dropped in a lot of nods to why we love musical theater. We have Veanne Cox as Orville’s mother, who is the new “villain” of the piece. And we’ve added a lot of music, such as “It Had to Be You” and “It’s Only a Paper Moon,” and we’ve switched around who’s singing some of the film’s songs, such as “Dig, Dig, Dig” and “Happy Harvest.” But the most important thing is that while we’re still in the late 1940s, there are two Black actors playing the male leads – me and Gilbert Bailey as Phil – and it is definitely not color-blind casting; it’s color-conscious. That means we’re dealing with an interracial love affair, for instance. The racial element is an additional driving force, which I think is necessary, but the main story isn’t about the struggle for racial equality. In the end, it’s still a feel-good MGM-like affair. You’ve previously stepped into the figurative shoes of Gene Kelly, who originated the role of Joe in the movie, as well as Fred Astaire. How does that feel? I am always aware these golden age icons from MGM have such a specific style and that they make what they do look easy. Of course, I want to bring that to Joe. But in the tap dance sequence, for instance, we also have a bit of Gregory Hines, even though I’m no Gregory Hines. And at the end of the day, it’s me on stage, and I work hardest on finding my own characterization of these roles. This is your first time working with Donna Feore, who is one of Canada’s leading directors and choreographers. Tell me about your experience with her? Donna is wonderful to work with, both as director and choreographer. I think the best thing about her handling both roles is we don’t have to get everyone on the same page, because she is the same page. She’s also really hands-on with the music; she fought to have a drummer in the room during rehearsals so we could find those beats while we created the choreography, not just insert them later. As she directs, she considers the movement of every scene, but also the story that we’re telling through that movement! It’s not movement for movement’s sake, and I appreciate that! Goodspeed isn’t the easiest place to do a dance-oriented show, is it? Yes, we’re dealing with the confines of a very small stage, it’s like dancing on a Chiclet. I am so impressed how vibrantly our cast can move on this stage. We’re on top of each other!  I think we’d look great on a bigger stage, which is just one reason why everyone is focused on moving this show to New York.
[source: Interview: Corbin Bleu Talks About the New Musical Summer Stock and the Fourth Season of HSMTMTS]
“Summer Stock” is right in Corbin Bleu’s wheelhouse. “I feel at home on the stage,” he said. An actor, singer and dancer his whole life, Bleu is appearing in the upcoming stage adaptation of the Hollywood musical beginning July 7 at the Goodspeed Opera House. “I established myself in this particular genre, doing shows associated with Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire,” he said. “I am a bit of an old soul. This is what my voice naturally goes to.” The “High School Musical” star is playing Joe Ross, one of a troupe of actors that descends on a small farming town to turn an old barn into a theater. It appears he was born to play the role originated by Kelly on the big screen. “I grew up as a theater kid,” Bleu said. “I grew up watching old MGM movies. I was a theater nerd and a musical theater fan. My dad kept a storage unit of stuff from our childhood, and he found an old school paper from when I was in elementary school where I’m dreaming of performing in musicals.” [...] Of the four shows, “Holiday Inn” is most similar to “Summer Stock,” which was also adapted from a movie . “Holiday Inn” was a fairly close reworking of the film, but “Summer Stock” takes a few more liberties. “It’s not the exact same story,” Bleu said. “When I watch the movie, I think it could definitely use some updates.” Those updates include a multi-racial cast. “Let’s not skirt the obvious,” Bleu said. “I’m a Black guy doing characters traditionally played by white men, doing things Black men weren’t traditionally able to do easily at the time these shows take place.” [...] “Some parts of the book are still in process,” Bleu said. “Cheri is in the room with us at rehearsals. We want this to feel modern, but we don’t want to shoehorn anything in. “I was also part of the workshop we did in New York a month and a half ago,” he added. “I’m loving seeing it and I’m loving being a part of it. We know this genre. It’s a feel-good musical comedy, a big song and dance show.” Though there is a lot that has been rethought when reshaping “Summer Stock” for the 21st-century stage, those who know it as a Gene Kelly movie will have plenty to latch onto. “We are completely paying our homage to Gene,” Bleu said. “I am not Gene, but I do have a natural tendency to lean into that style. Gregory Hines is also a big inspiration. There’s tap dancing in this. There’s a whole Lindy Hop number. There are a lot of very large dance numbers.”
[source: ‘High School Musical’ star Corbin Bleu is rethinking ‘Summer Stock’ at the Goodspeed Opera House]
#already able to guess abt the ''inspired by'' more than [trying for a peak one to one adaptation] and gilbert as phil (as herb in the film)#and vienna as margaret wingate as orville's mother....#doing the like look up & kinda combine nodding and a head tilt abt [moving the show to new york] didn't occur to me but like oh yeah ig#hand on my shoulder like even in looking through one actor's relatively recent oeuvre you See the productions' iterations travel....#hand back on my own shoulder like counterpoint i don't know or much notice or extrapolate shit lol. unless? when i do#you gotta love the meta show bound for nyc within a show about what it takes putting on a show etc etc what all & have you#summer stock#implicitly:#will roland#explicitly a lot re:#corbin bleu#for everyone keeping up with the corbinews / corbin bleuws. got htm:tm:ts in that lol didn't know he was Fictional Corbin in there...#this is just like when corbin bleu went to see the show ft. will roland on bway with a show within its show mentioning going to bway fr...#oh i'd also thought about the tractor issue and figured that truly might be a bit much for a stage production#there's a lot you can move around / evolve / excise / add in the film's material. including the parts about the tractor i'm very sure#even though that's the main character's big Actually Nice moment lmao. i assume an inspired change is that he's Overall actually nice#remembering that fun fact of bmc's bway stage actually being shallower than its off-bway dimensions
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danny-chase · 2 years ago
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Okay so my sources in order are:
> Dick’s been a respected and esteemed leader of the Teen Titans in both Teen Titans 1966 and The New Teen Titans 1980 and The New Teen Titan 1984 series, in general his teammates like him/follow him out of respect for his strategizing skills and whatnot
> Jason dies in the A Death in the Family comic book arc (Batman 1940 #426-#429), Dick’s reaction is covered in The New Titans (1984) #55 (same series as The New Teen Titans 1984, they dropped the teen because too many of the members were like 20 by now)
> Dick fires Danny Chase at the end of The New Titans (1984) #55
> Dick visits Bruce after Jason dies, Bruce blames Dick for Jason’s death, Dick blames Bruce for Jason’s death while defending himself, and Bruce punches him all in - The New Titans (1984) #55 still
> Dick mentoring Tim is a continuous thing, Tim shows up for training in The New Titans (1984) #65 for training. Like he literally just drops in askjfjsad Dick’s apartment is a wreck and he’s not prepared at all, Tim literally just showed up. Dick mentoring Tim pretty much continues for the next like 20 years of their relationship
> Danny Chase dies in Titans Hunt, which is a pretty bad arc overall. Danny dies in The New Titans (1984) #84 over Dick’s protests
> As previously mentioned Titans Hunt sucked, Joey Wilson dies in The New Titans (1984) #83. Raven and her mother Arella die in #84
> The failed DickKory wedding is The New Titans (1984) #100. Please don’t read this arc it’s genuinely just so bad. I didn’t want to get into it for the meme-formatted post, but it does include Dick getting raped in the lead up, and a corrupted version of Raven sexually assaults Kory at the wedding
> Ah the Batman: Knightfall saga. it’s genuinely such a boring read
> The Batman: Prodigal saga my beloved. Dick takes the mantle of Batman while Bruce fucks off to who knows where, and Tim is his robin for a while! Very fun interactions and the Dick angst is on point
> I’d say Batman: Prodigal is where this turn starts to happen in Dick and Tim’s relationship + Dick and Tim’s teamups in Tim’s solo
> Dick moves to Bludhaven in Nightwing 1996, compares it to hell in the first issue
> Dick ends up liking Bludhaven as the series goes on
> Joker’s: Last Laugh #5 ends with Tim ‘dying’
> Joker’s: Last Laugh #6 Dick finds out and kills the Joker after Joker taunts him about killing Tim and Jason
> Joker’s: Last Laugh #6 Dick finds out like 3 seconds after he murdered the Joker Tim’s alive
> Joker’s: Last Laugh #6 technically i don’t know if Bruce did the CPR, it’s not shown on panel who did it, there’s a bit of fandom misconception that goes around every now and then that Bruce made Helena do it, but we don’t actually see/know who it was
> Nightwing (1996) #63 covers the fallout of Joker’s: Last Laugh #6
> His life smooths out a bit in the Nightwing (1996) solo comic and goes back to business as normal
> Donna Troy dies saving Dick’s life in Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day #3
> Dick gets shot in the shoulder in Nightwing (1996) #80, he gets fired from his job as a police office in #82 (raucous cheering ensues)
> Haley’s Circus is burned down in Nightwing (1996) #88, with “more than 20 feared dead and over 100 seriously injured”
> Dick’s apartment complex is bombed in Nightwing (1996) #89, I took the number 22 from a panel in #91 which shows the mass gravestone, which features people like Yoska Graesinka, who was the first one to speak Romani with Dick in a very long time, Hank Hogan, Dick’s old boss from when he bartended, Michael Hogan, a kid Dick found on the streets and got Hank to foster and adopt, and John Law a retired vigilante. Also i was wrong, one of them was Dick’s fake alias so the number’s actually 21. Notably Clancy was gone at the time of the explosion and survived
> Over the issues it’s revealed Blockbuster found out Dick’s identity and everyone he’s killed has been a targeted campaign against him
> Nightwing (1996) #93 has a reporter being shot in the head for talking to Dick
> Nightwing (1996) #93 has Dick stepping aside to let Tarantula shoot Blockbuster, this comic book also comes with a rape warning which I again, didn’t want to talk about in a meme post but i feel the need to warn about when bringing up the exact source
> Ah Batman: War Games. A terrible time
> Dick gets shot in the leg partway through War Games, in Nightwing (1996) #98, he finds out about Steph dying in Nightwing (1996) #99
> Nightwing (1996) #100 ends with Dick dumping his Nightwing costume in front of Jason’s memorial case
> Nightwing (1996) #107 picks up with Dick joining the mob
> He actually has like. a decent time in the mob somehow? i mean comparably to what the last arc was like the mob arc is better for him ig
> Dick appears in the earlier issues of Under the Red Hood, mostly for Bruce to go “man i like working with Dick” in his head and not actually say that out loud
> Multiple issues cover this, but Slade Wilson chooses for the whatever of evil group to nuke Bludhaven, in his own comic it happens in #116-#117, it’s also covered in Infinite Crisis, and the end of Under the Red Hood has Bruce’s initial reaction
> Nightwing (1996) #116 ends with Dick passing out after running into the city knowing he’d die, and just being like “i’m just going to save as many people as i can before I die” implying he’s passively suicidal
> Nightwing (1996) #116 also ends with Bruce showing up, and #117 starts with Dick waking up in the cave
> As previously stated in #117 we find out he’s still alive
> At the end of Nightwing (1996) #117, Dick proposes to Barbara, it’s very rushed, likely because Devin was pretty much told to pack it up, we’re killing Dick off
> Infinite Crisis #7 has Dick jumping in front of a laser beam to save Bruce. He actually supposed to die, but fans rebelled so hard they decided not to kill him off
> Nightwing (1996) Annual #2, terrible comic, references Dick being in a coma for 3 weeks post the laser beam. It also retcons Dick to sleep with Babs when he came by to invite her to the DickKory wedding :////// it’s also like the worst source of Dick/Kory vs Dick/Babs commentary and dear god i hate it and pretend it’s not canon 
> Nightwing (1996) Annual #2 ends with Barbara rejecting the proposal so Dick can ask again when he’s not in a mental health breakdown
> The run continues. he’s still alive
I feel like people understand that Dick changed while Jason was gone, but where it goes wrong half the time is people assume that Dick "growing up" meant that Dick was irresponsible around the time he and Jason interacted/was mean and unable to conceal his jealousy well, which he then evolved from due to Jason's death and was able to build a loving big brother relationship with Tim and Damian and fix his relationship with Bruce.
Meanwhile canon is like:
>Be me, Dick Grayson, esteemed and respected leader of the Teen Titans
> Your younger brother dies
> Fire the youngest member of the Titans because it happened because you had a crisis of responsibility about child vigilantism
> Get punched by your not-official dad
> Help mentor new younger brother because you can't stop him and Bruce from the path they're on, and like hell is another kid going to die
> Kid dies. Not that one. The ex-member of the Titans died disobeying your orders and saving the world in a heroic sacrifice you didn't want him to make, this is exactly what you tried to avoid
> So did two of your friends and one of their moms
> Failed marriage, and a whole lot of relationship stuff you don't want to talk about
> Dad didn't ask you to surpass him in the roll he trained you for since you were 8, gives it to a guy who goes of the rails and starts trying to kill ppl
> Dad asks you to take the roll because he literally has 0 other options and wants to take a vacation
> Bond with younger brother II more, will kill everyone in this room and yourself if anything happens to him
> Move to a new awful city that's often compared to hell
> Having nothing to lose makes it kind of nice here
> Younger brother II gets killed by the same guy who killed younger brother I
> Kill the guy
> Younger brother II wasn't actually dead
> Dad used CPR, so neither is the guy who killed them
> Angst over not being a good enough person not to kill your brother's murderer
> Things start to become okay again
> Best friend dies
> Get shot in the shoulder and fired from your job
> Childhood home gets burned down, 20+ people die
> Apartment building blows up, 22 of your friends and acquaintances die
> Find out it's because someone was specifically targeting you
> Person dies for talking to you
> Choose to step aside and let the guy targetting you die
> Run home because dad needs help
> Get shot in the leg, while passed out another kid hero dies
> Quit being a hero
> Join the mob
> Things start to get better
> Help dad out with some case about this guy named the Red Hood
> City gets nuked because you live there
> Get radiation burns and pass out while saving people, content that you died doing something good
> Dad saved you
> You're still alive :/
> Propose to your ex-girlfriend (not the one from the last marriage)
> Crisis event happens, take a laser beam meant for your father
> Coma for 3 weeks
> She says no (for good reasons)
> You're still alive :/
~and around here is where Dick finds out Jason's alive~
Anyways Dick was not more well adjusted by the time Jason came back from the dead, his life was a constant series of L's, and he got worse 😎
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star-of-troy · 5 months ago
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Circe in the Once Upon a time verse is kinda a mix of her persona as Donna Milton and the way she is with her comics daughter, Lyta- Especially when she is under the self imposed guise of Ava Troy. The Prophecy she heard from the Oracle was that the daughter of Hippolyta would her undoing... Seeing only young Donna on the island, and no knowing that the Queen had more than one daughter, Circe opted not to destroy the child, but to keep control of her, make this child not Hippolyta's but her own. The false memories she gave Donna of a childhood in Storybrooke were happy ones, what better way to have loyalty in their new roles after all?
Ava Troy is Amoral but not Immoral.... she'll use dirty tricks when it suits her but she will not harm an innocent- especially not her little girl. She loves Donna, and wants the best for her, but she herself isn't really sure what that means. Their home was a loving one but a strict one as well... As this disguise wasn't trying to befriend anyone unlike in the comics, bits of Circe's true personality bled through. Ava was a woman who did not trust the world. Having only her daughter, she was a bit obsessive over the child. Donna had a strict curfew, she wasn't allowed certain media- mostly anything involving wicked witches or magic, or kidnapped princesses. Donna's friends had to be vetted beforehand- just to make sure any bad influences were kept away. Still, she was the kind of mom who had cookies ready for her after school, Ava was there at every parent teacher conference, every recital, every award show or game. Sometimes, they'd even get ice cream or go to Granny's after school. When it came to material goods, Ava sorta spoiled her, so long as everything passed inspection.
When she returns to being Circe and is hauled off to Themyscira to be imprisoned... those memories as Ava are still very much present... somehow, this child became the one thing that has made her long life worth living.... especially as Donna is the one person in the world who loves her unconditionally. Though just like Donna Milton's friendship with Diana became genuine, here... Ava's love for her daughter is also genuine... As Circe and Ava's memories mix however, It's a very selfish kind of love... if she really loved the child she'd regret ripping her from her home... but regretting what she'd done would mean never having her daughter to begin with.
Of course, this all becomes very difficult for Donna when her own memories start mixing... when she's brought back home with Mother and Diana... but her Mom... her Mom whom she still loves, is locked in a cell... weakened and in chains. She knows what Circe did was wrong and it hurt a lot of people, but she also knows how much the woman has changed in their time together... At the same time... she's an Amazon Princess but has been raised as a human... she's not the same as she was when she was taken. So there's a lot of adjusting on her part.
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