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also when it comes to veilguard i didnt understand the way they framed the griffon choice at the end. because during your missions with davrin they make note of assan's ability to understand pain and ease suffering of animals. and you're asked if this means that people are able to change their nature, because griffons are raised as soldiers. i thought we were talking about solas during this conversations so i said "its not that deep" but then you actually get to the choice and you're asked if the griffons "are able to change their nature to be protectors of the forest" or if they should stay property of the wardens. bro what "nature" this isn't a "in their nature" question
#like it does its job as a metaphor. but this isnt the metaphor it is why are framing it like this#the griffon arent ''capable of changing'' they were only allowed to train to fight darkspawn and fight darkspawn#they dont even have different responsibilities... other than less responsibilities... they just attack animal threats instead of human#vs god beefing#also theyre like my good friend the last unicorn
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Kindest reminder that aside from Sky and Wild, none of the others have even heard of the Goddess Hylia before meeting up. The goddesses they would invoke, if any, would be either Farore, Din, or Nayru.
#linked universe#it’s a minor pet peeve of mine#mostly I think by people who started the series with BotW and didn’t realize Hylia was formerly just a lake#Nintendo had a chance to introduce Hylia to the Downfall timeline and aside from an unnamed statue crumbling in a basement they didn’t#this also adds to my “Legend does NOT have beef with Hylia” headcanon#to all of them Hylia is just Sky’s girlfriend except Wild who is probably very weirded out by this whole thing#“oh your girlfriend is a goddess that’s nice” vs “wait you’re engaged to THE Hylia should I be worshipping you?!” “please don’t”#at if Hylia’s present in the Downfall timeline she’s not actively worshipped#and if she’s present in the other two I can see Wind mistaking her statue for a strange Rito#and Twilight still being the goddessless heathen that he is /j#they start a minor religious debate every time it comes up#ESPECIALLY Four who has met the three goddesses incarnate and Wind who swears he saw them when he opened the Tower of the Gods#and Legend who is 50% sure the Oracles were them and 50% sure they at least were connected#Wild saying they are saying the names of the dragons wrong#then Sky saying yes there are dragons but Wild YOU are saying them wrong#that one comic I think by ovekaart with them all being like “you mean the lake?” is on point
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Just learnt this
Please to any celestial force I beg thee for a rottmnt vs Batman crossover purely so Leo can absolutely bully the living shit out of Gotham
#Leo would be so disgusted#he’d just point blank refuse to talk to Batman#rottmnt#tmnt#Batman#rottmnt leo#batman vs teenage mutant ninja turtles#gotham#gothamites and Leo would just have personal beef#dc#that one meme of please god it would be so fucking funny#shut up san
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COME ON GUYS DON'T LET DIANXIA DOWN
#images i drew on my phone approximately 90 seconds before class started#tma vs tgcf is pitting two bad bitches against each other but#from the other guys propaganda he is apparently a beloved side character#which i totally understand.#BUT HUA CHENG IS THE DEUTERANTAGONIST WHO LOVED XIE LIAN SO MUCH IT UNDOOMED HIM FROM THE NARRATIVE#HE DIDNT CLAW HIS WAY OUT OF TONGLU TO BE BEATEN LIKE THIS#also tma has gay people that dont undoom each other from the narrative. L + ratio (/j/j/j/j we all love tragedies here)#hua cheng will never rest in peace and he doesn't want to because he has a smokin boyfriend#they are both angry goths but has gerry died THREE TIMES????? no. just once. lame.#gerry got his skin bound into a necromancy book that was eventually burned but hua cheng ripped out his eye to craft a sickass scimitar !!!#hua cheng haunts the narrative before he dies in a hundred tiny ways and then HEAVILY after he dies a second time#he's an awesome city owner and has violent beef with HEAVEN. and he carves statues and paints and builds temples#and is also a self conscious loser <3#his gay awakening was intensely traumatic and religious for everybody involved. and he's had the same life mission since he was 10#he is actively fighting ghost discrimination and getting dangerous magical items off of the normal human market#also he is always bedecked in elaborate silver and chains and eyeliner and ALWAYS in blood red clothes#HE CAN MAKE IT RAIN BLOOD!!???!?!? ALSO#he stick and poked his god's name on himself but his handwriting is so bad it's unrecognizable and the signs he puts up have evil auras#this has ceased to be propaganda. now im just gushing. only tgcf fans will see this anyway. whatever youre getting blorbo rant#tgcf#art#poll#hua cheng#lmao#my art#tian guan ci fu#hualian#xie lian#hob#heaven official's blessing
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o wait before i start posting any pics.. i was thinking that maybe.. you guys could help me liquify this gender some more by switching up what you call me.... DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE . LOVE LOVE LOVE WHEN YOU USE HE/HIM AND JUST OVERALL LIKE MORE MASC STUFF THAT'S SOOO MMMMMMMMMSO FUCKING GOOD like i don't get to feel that irl at all so it really does make me so happy but i've just been thinking abt TRYING to switch it up more yk? does this even make sense...... . hhhh anyway i might won't even like it and i'll want to just go back to hehim but i wanna try... JUST TO SWITCH IT UP.
#i think the only term that is incredibly questionable is “queen” lmao#idk i have some personal beef with that one#MAN I REALLY MIGHT JUST DELETE THIS IN LIKE FIVE MINUTES#AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA#WHY DON'T I KNOW WHAT I WANT#i'm not asking you to fully drop the he him but just maybe.. use she her every once in a while..#I'M GONNA EXPLODE WHY IS THIS THE WEIRDEST POST EVER TO MAKE WHAT IS GENDER CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME#btw if anybody happens to be wondering why i don't just use they/them#iii just don't feel anything towards those#personally#like they don't make me feel like anything while he him and she her are more like yes:3333#does.. does that even make sense#oh my god#there are question marks flying around my head#i read this fic the other day#which is in my drafts i need to add tags to it#but the op just.. like made my brain grow two sizes#bc they made the reader genderfluid and then proceeded to use both “girlfriend” and “boyfriend” throughout the fic and i just#HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH#how do i .. get that#asghdhsaghdasghdshagdhgas#GUYS LOOK I'M GONNA SPIRAL I'M JUST GONNA HIT POST#ENOUGH#mayor of loserville#mickey vs gender#10 - 17#I'M LOSING AGAIN OHHH FUCK OFF
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winston my quant of billions
#''😒''#corned beef#winston billions#& green of all things; drew it in purpley pink & being like whoa hey is this too much deliberately breaking out this Rare Coloring#minty fresh....been funny to be rotating the villainy of; let's say; bsol & xmas & then thinking about billions' whole other world there#& its completely different take where of all things winston is like. treated as a villain in a way its sicko My God central men aren't#(who are also quite different from iconis villains but yknow with the very fundamental differences in general what else is a surprise)#axe? prince? alive & well & billions does mean to be commenting on that like yeah sure#but winston? gotta be humiliated & violated & attacked / killed (if figuratively + just by assumption Oh He's Fiiine)#as well as basically truly dead to everyone but in a Never Existed / Spontaneously Shunned way. nobody thinks about him ever again#including when non wretched central men characters are getting these silver linings Benefits from their sabotaging a central man#not winston though maybe; the writing has forgotten him / sees no worth in bringing him up unless At His Expense; not gain#didn't get background randos telling prince or the like to go fuck himself at any point. open contempt reserved for winston there#better to have Objective Entitlement to power over / access to people & then; hey what the; be an asshole about it???#than to not just Have that entitlement & not expect it & not try to use it & be friendly & minding your own business as much or more than#any other characters like good lord what a Loser. the queerness & disability of this inferiority? just some jokes (at winston's expense)#& we will be killing him like nobody even considers for central men takedowns. those are polite & we all have Some regret it came to this#better to abuse people than. be so unepic (different from Normal white cishet 50some men who love certain media)#& on that note you're never gonna guess what's Good to do to the unepic people who bring it upon themselves....yeah haha. abuse#you're never gonna guess but power difference is a given & also good if an epic person has that power. & on that note#what can they do with it but keep unepic people in their place? what other hope do we have? winston may try to say a pun. or speak at all :#anyway while there's the absolute joys of Any Good Bastard over in a wildly different oeuvre it's like well yknow#while winston is already Ruining Things as more a Wretched Sicko Evil Asshole for seeing himself as a person & others as people#instead of himself as an inferior who has to apologize for existing & initiating any interaction vs only ever doing as he's told#unlike the best heroes who know they're superior & will use others & mess with their lives however they feel is justified; you're welcome#like well if winston's such an exceptional dick(tm) around here that he has to be introduced w/discussion / explanation around this#great let him be even bitchier & more ''difficult''....& billions would never & that's why [sorry to all the characters trapped in there]#the slightest glimpses of like & The Quasirival Weirdo Duos Are Kinda Being Cunts b/w usual parallels riawin & taylip#what comes of that? oh nothing. but as ever these are at least glimpses of a little more liveliness & range for making room for this a sec#anyway imagine getting so niche that your other kinda just as niche thing is like. less niche. but not really. wheee yayyy fr lol My Whimsy
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Meeting of Team Avatars
Krew (Korra), Gaang (Aang), Kompany (Kyoshi), Yircle (Yangchen), and Krowd (Kuruk).
Yangchen: *looking at Krew, Gaang, Kompany* Oh my god.... My prayers didn't work. Kyoshi: What? Yangchen: Especially you. You're the worst offender! Kyoshi: What???? Yangchen: Don't worry about it.
Krew: Omg it's the Gaang! Oh you guys are LEGENDARY! Gaang: This is amazing! So everything has been going well since we left you in charge? Krew: Wouldn't say "well" but we're doing what we can.... Gaang: I get it, totally! Yircle: So theses are the famous "team Avatars?" Should we even be called one? We're more like a spy group. Kompany: That. Is. So. COOL! W-we also do jobs too! Breaking and entering and other sabotage! Gaang: And who are you guys? Kompany: We're the Flying Opera Company (plus old people allies). We're Kyoshi's team. Krew: No WAY! I always thought Kyoshi would just have a mini army of Kyoshi Warriors! Kompany: A what of what now? Krowd: Haha! So you're who takes over after us? Well nice to meet you-wait why does your firebender have Hei-Ran's face. Rangi: God....DAMN it..... Krowd: What was that? Rangi/Kompany: I said stay THE FUCK away from us. Krowd: ????? O_O Huh?
Kyoshi: This is going to be a disaster.
#roku tbd#rise of kyoshi#avatar the last airbender#atla#shadow of kyoshi#legend of korra#dawn of yangchen#legacy of yangchen#chronicles of the avatar#there's BEEF in the krowd vs kompany#i like the name i chose for Kyoshi/Kompany ok????#Yangchen circle/yircle makes me giggle tho#god damn you kuruk/korra bothing having k's and a crew TT0TT#yangchen prayed for the teams to not be fucked up and walking disasters#instead she cursed kyoshi to have TWO groups who were walking FLAMING disasters TT0TT#Flying opera company (1st) and Fire Nation “Stop the Civil War” team (2) TT0TT#Gaang is just children#and korra is rizzing her whole squad
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No like seriously ARE we ready to talk about the misogyny in fandom spaces
#or more so like. the disparity. of depictions of men vs of women. i#and like. dear god. it's dire out here sometimes#um. anyway i dont say this to like invalidate anyone and i worry that by even saying this it feels terfy?#but its like no u can talk about misogyny while including trans people especially bc of the overlap. heterocissexism. is ghat a word#like . ugh i just. its never like an individual thing i have beef with u know#like if someone tends to prefer male characters or writing men loving men im never gonna shit on em yk#it just . bothers me how large of a trend it is#especially in comparison to f/f...#like jave u see the differences on ao4#ao3*#or the differences in how people talk about men vs women here#obviously theres room outside that binary and i fucking hate it as it stands anyway but it does stand and we should talk about it.#like i dont think this is just a cis issue at all. we should also talk about how we talk about nonbinary or gender non conforming characters#but its also like can we be normal about women too. and not prioritize men always . um#hey guys . rambling in the tags is all to say. this post explicitly includes trans people. i will not tolerate any#transphobic rhetoric on any responses to it. you will be blocked.#sierra speaks#misogyny in fandom
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repeat after me: details a creator has stated about their characters/stories/etc for a piece of media outside of said media is not canon.
the creators saying x thing about y character on social media/in an interview/etc can potentially give you insight on their intentions/ideas behind the characters development/personality/etc, and you can accept it as true to your views on the character- but its still not canon if its not in the actual source material.
the term youre looking for is "word of god." in fandom, thats used to describe the creators interpretation of the media. some will accept this into their own view of canon, and some wont. either way, it is not strictly canon, and should not be treated like an asbolute fact of the character/story (or whatever else the information was stated about).
and also remember, subtext and things "read between the lines" can and will always be interpreted differently across the fandom. no matter how "obvious" a detail about a character seems to you from subtext, other people will still garner something different, because thats the point of art. everyone will resonate differently with art and come away with different ideas about it for a multitude of reasons.
sure, some people may be forgetting something or outright ignoring something thats blatantly stated, but when it comes to subtext any interpretation is valid. even if it contradicts whatever the creators may say. art is a mix of both what the creator tries to tell in their story and what the viewer interprets from it. you have to accept that sometimes these will not always align, and thats perfectly okay.
(and also, dont forget something in one official universe doesnt mean its canon in all official universes of a piece of media- even if one is meant to be the same story in a different media form (like an anime adaptation of a manga) or a reboot).
#fandom#canon vs fanon#word of god#fandom wank#fandom terminology#this is a huge pet peeve of mine :)))))#ofc this isnt to say that you cant vehemently hate certain interpretations/headcanons that people have#but theres block and filter functions for a reason. use them.#everyone has a right to fandom spaces and to share their ideas happily with others who enjoy their views#dont go raining on peoples parades just because you have beef about their views on a piece of art#ik theres plenty of things i hate n will probably complain about on my blog#but im not gonna be going to people directly and giving them shit#fandom is meant to be a fun hobby about the media we enjoy!#focus on your enjoyment instead of your hate or discomfort of how someone else engages with the media#everyone will be much happier that way
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my hobby is going through tumblr and threads and screenshotting the shit out of f1 posts and memes i’m giggling kicking my feet over and then sending them all to my friend whose only knowledge of f1 is from what i tell her and the reels i ruined her fyp with
#f1#formula one#max is pregnaaaaatdhdhdbdhdhdb omgdhdhdhhd#the abu dhabi drama omg i’m living for it#abu dhabi gp 2024#not lando enjoying the shit out of gax drama he’s so us#i’m glad my baby is for once not the centre of talk letsgooo#toto vs horner drama once again LMAO#yes pls bring daniel back#leclerc brothers#their moment!!!!! omg#all my love for estie bestie#valterri being iconic once again#the dinner#carlos and lewis last race with ferrari and merc#franco to redbull when#zhou’s last raceee imma cry#and kmags#MAX IS PREGNANT I REPEAT HE IS PREGNANT#omg also kelly’s addition to the post on her stories brb gotta cry real quick#she’s so sweet#and max saying he’s already a bonus dad to p oh my god i love him#lando’s caption and max’s beef emoji when i tell u i cannot oh my the’re so silly#aaaaaajsjshshshshshbdjdjdn#oh and the depression what will i doooo#for three months?????:!!:!:!:!#screaming crying throwing up#max verstappen
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Last arcane episode ever..... here we fucking go....
#50 MINUTES YEAAAAHHH!! IM SO GLAD THEY HAVE BEEN GETTING LONGER THERE WAS NO WAY!!!#the last drop no..... YEEEEEEEEEEES EKKO!!!!!! OH MY GOOOOOD YEEEEEEEES always a dance with you OOOOOOOOHHHHH she even has the same hair 😭#is she gonna build the new zaun for isha.... like vander wanted for vi and powder.... 😭😭😭 with ekko 😭😭😭#watching jinx kill herself over and over is something else that was so funny.... im sorry but ajdkansk#WHATS WITH THOSE CUTS WHATS GOING ON.... WDYM WE ARE MEANT TO LOSE THIS FIGHT??? IN THE FUTURE HE SAW RIGHT???#OH ITS THAT GIRL VI IS CARRYING OMG BUT SHE IS LOOKING FOR JINX!!! NOOO SHE FUCKING DIEEED AMBESSA IS A BEAST!!! DID THEY GET CAIT???#VANDER NOOOO OOOH ITS VIKTOR TOO!!ITS OOOOOOVER maddie being there still..... a consensual workplace relationship... cait....#LORIS!!!! VIIIIIIIIIIIII caitlyn looks so good..... and vi too.... but did they run out of armors.... the guy who left his family DIED TOO!!#caitlyn that was so hot.... they got her.... MADDIE!!!! WHAT THE FUUUUUUCK I THOUGHT THAT WOULD NOT EEEEEVER HAPPEN!!! AK WITH HER OWN GUN!#OH MY GOD MEL!!! MADDIE EXECUTED FOR HER CRIMES!!!! i know people are cheering!!! JINX ON HER BLIMP!!! the egg was a distraction.....#jayce be ready for your divorce.... THE HALO!!! THE VOICE!!! his voiced softened when he said to see you omg... SEVIKA NOOOOOOOOO#cait and mel joining forces to maximize their joint (literal) slay against ambessa.... and vi and jinx vs vander.... cruel#beef squashed..... no way she died????? omg... we havent seen caits left side.... and she was bleeding.... one fear. VIKTOR IS SO TALL!!!#how does it feel to look up jayce.... also jinx saying they are always together 🥺🥺 they are flying again.... omg jinx looks so scared...#OH NOOOOOO SEE CAIT HURT HER EYEE viktor saying they want better lives but emotion clashes with reason after a season of just that.... omg#series thesis.... this is actually so meta if i may say so.... vander and silco.... jinx and vi and the rocket... cait and ambessa....#and finally jayce saving viktor.... and jayce searching for the arcane after he was saved as a kid.... all of it..... ALL OF IT....#THE BOY SAVIOR!!!! VIKTOR IS BACK!!!! HE WANTS HIS PARTNER BACK OMG#YES THE MAGE IS VIKTOR!!!! OH MY GOOOD!!! ONLY YOU CAN SHOW ME THIS! CAITVI FUCKED ON SCREEN AND SOMEHOW THIS IS GAYER!!!#JAYCE!!! YOU ARE ALRIGHT!!! EKKO MADE THAT WITH AN INVERSION OF JAYCES RUNE!! OF COURSE!!! THE WTO MEN AND THE ANOMALY!!!#they are literally adam and steve... VI OMG!!!! SHE CANT TAKE IT NOOOOOO JINX AND VANDER!!!! NOOOO EKKO ALONEEEE NOOOO#SEVIKA COUNCIL MEMBER!!! CAIT GAVE HER HER SEAT!!! AND SINGED AND HIS DAUGHTER!!! MEL WHAT THE HELL!!! BACK TO NOXUS???#caitlyn seeing that jinx escaped through the air ducts... yeah..... she is on that blimp#can you believe we ended arcane with two happy lesbians..... like everything went to hell jayce and viktor saved it and disappeared....#through it all one thing remained.. two lesbians in love <3 can we get an applause for two lesbians in love.... they made a band about this#(love of lesbian)#talking tag#watching arcane#watching arcane season 2#you know towards the end the characters looked a lot more like normal 3d animated... idk how to explain it
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I find the possibility of a victarion vs euron greyjoybowl to be as boring and uninspired as cleganebowl. mostly because the people pushing for it are usually dudebros who project onto victarion and wish to see him restore the "honor" of his wounded masculinity through displays of brute violence.
aeron vs euron greyjoybowl however………
#does aeron stand a chance against euron? absolutely not.#is there hope for him to restore his dignity as a victim fighting an abuser? don't even dream on it.#but ae v. eu has bigger emotional stakes AND makes more sense symbolically (the drowned god vs the storm god).#and tbh i really don't care abt vic and i find his beef with euron over a sex slave to be dull and plain abject#sorry i can't sympathize with vic being sad abt murdering a woman that he repeatedly raped bcuz she may have been raped by his brother#aeron greyjoy#euron greyjoy#asoiaf
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I feel like in the world of HP lovecraft, amongst the big names like cthulhu, azathoth, yog-sothoth and the infamous nyarlathotep.No one even mention Nodens-the Lord of the great abyss. Cuz that dude sole purpose is to piss off Nyarlathotep. He’s a good elder god for this sole reason (even in ancient britain he depicted as a healing god).
Let me explain
As an Elder God. Nodens' behavior is generally quite kind towards humans, but he only acts this way when he is at odds with Nyarlathotep. Of course, because Dream World is a battlefield and Nyarlathotep and Nodens' war is a proxy war. That's when Nyarlathotep tried every way to stop the travelers from searching for the Kadath desert, Nodens was willing to find every way to protect them, that's how he indirectly angered Nyarlathotep without directly confronting him. Nodens' servants are the Nightgaunts. According to some sources in the Canon, Nodens enjoys hunting animals in places like the Underworld, his targets include Shantak, Hunting Horror and moon beasts.
•Proxy war
When humanity began to spread and explore every corner of the Earth. The Great Ones eventually sought new settlements in Dreamland, including the fortress of Kadath. Nodens himself has quite good relationships with the Grand Masters, and he sometimes monitors Kadath's surroundings to prevent humans from threatening them. Nyarlathotep himself is the same, but Nyarlathotep's main job in Dreamland is to enforce the will of the blind fool and the other supreme foreign gods of the center. Filled with vulgar complaints, with the demon king's will, Nyarlathotep wished for the gods of earth to be protected from human encroachment.
In general, the goals of Nyarlathotep and Nodens are the same. But that didn't mean Nodens had to be friendly with the foreign gods, so he continuously committed acts of sabotage against Nyarlathotep at DreamWorld. And Nyarlathotep felt uncomfortable with Nodens, which was quoted by Randolph Carter when he spoke to Nyarlathotep at Kadath. Nodens is considered a counterpart to Nyarlathotep in Lovecraft's works, but he is not friendly towards humans, he only saves them and is kind to them when he wants to oppose Nyarlathotep, inciting the wrath of Nyarlathotep. those who are considered God... an Outer God.
Basically chaotic good vs chaotic evil
#hp lovecraft#hp lore#cthulhu mythos#nyarlathotep#nodens#lovecraft nyarlathotep#lovecraft nodens#the crawling chaos#lord of the great abyss#one of my favortite rivalry in hp lovecraft lore#nyarlathotep is basically azathoth intelligence so in a way nodens always beefing with azathoth indirectly#god whos want to fuck everything up vs god who just want to fuck the said god up#do you guys see how funny this dynamic is#they have the same goal but that does not mean that they have to get along#meaning this is just a hate-tolerate relationship#hpl shitposting
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I thought this is both funny and cool
#zenmom#oswald the lucky rabbit#mickey mouse#oh my god this is either the best or worst pairing#hazbin hotel#alastor vs vox#stayed gone#Youtube#I’ll refine it later#actually. nah. I’ll leave it as it is. hope that I decided to make another art relating to this#because the concept of the au attitude where Mickey has beef with Oswald who still hates him back is so darn funny.#like. Mickey has a little personality from the corporate company he’s in and he is mad that Oswald is now performing better than the poor 🐁
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Darryl Wilson tan lines- 💥
#THE MELATONIN KICKED IN. GOD HELP US ALL.#anyway yeah. freckles moles and tanlines. I'll do whatever the fuck i want he's MY CHUNK OF RAW BEEF.#Only person who can stop me is Matthew Arnold and i could probably beat him in a fight#Glenn pushing up his shirt or sleeves and seeing the tan lines and-#what was i talking about.....right. right yeah the uh Taxes and Mortgages or whatever#Darryl Wilson's body dysmorphia vs Glenn Close and Henry Oak. FIGHT /hj#no but fr he needs to be appreciated in every way possible. he is so special. to me.
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going through and organizing that best friends + oc vs miro + kip/penelope feud document and 2020 was so long ago that it was before orange even had where is my mind as his theme. he just had generic rock. wild
this feud also goes from october 2020 to march 2021. trent gets injured halfway through in december so, sure. but woof does it drag, man. it also doesn't really get interesting* until the butler stuff comes into play at the beginning of 2021, but by that time its been almost 3 months of this so its a bit harder to appreciate.
it does have a good payoff in the end. but maybe i'll recommend just starting from the dynamite diamond ring match onward lol
*there is nothing more interesting than seeing chuck in turmoil.
#talkzon#god this was RIGHT after the orange vs jericho feud too. from one vortex to another#i think after this they start beefing with the lucha bros until the adam cole stuff in nov 2021#i'd say none of these feuds are overall good but they all have some extremely high points buried away in them#orange cassidy inner circle champagne segment. butler hostage chuck.#the road to cleveland promo vid where adam cole is extremely mad/obsessed about orange and orange is fed up/annoyed#im getting deja vu. did i make this exact post 2 years ago
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