#tw; tbmc

[ladyimaginarium]

ofc lmao /s n e wayz its nice to know that "america" & "canada" dont support r.amcoa survivors not that i& expected them to. this kind of stuff Does happen to people y'all. it's not just something you see in movies or read in comics or listen to on podcasts.

[ladyimaginarium]

okay so. this is me& hyperfixating bc this has been in our& likes for a hot minute. just a disclaimer that i'm& obviously by no means a medical professional & idk kohske at all whatsoever so i'm not in her head when she's writing all this out in regards to the storyline & 4 the sake of my& sanity, we're& not doing anything exomemory related, but i& will be drawing personal examples from my& own life to see if it could draw some sort of comparison when discussing memories & recognition, we're& just gonna go strictly with canon & what possibly could've happened that night with the vermeil trio. also a gentle reminder to any r.amcoa survivors or survivors of intense trauma who may be reading this: if you cannot handle this because you find it too upsetting, please look away or find another post & please take care of yourself if necessary, because while this is a fictional work, i& do know that these topics can be very difficult so do what you must.

so. my& theory is that bc of her heavy dissociation due to years & years of trauma, erica doesn't remember large chunks of her life due to retrograde amnesia, which tends to be very common ( & i& myself experience this on a deep level in the sense that i& straight up do not remember years of my& life in childhood & adolescence, only small fragments here & there & if you were to ask me& how my& year was, i& literally would not be able to tell you bc i& don't remember most of what happens in a year; there was this one time where i was looking directly at someone straight in the face who i've literally known for years and didn't recognize them, that's how bad did can get ), & as such, she doesn't remember their faces. she remembers flesh memories, if you will, like how ivan kisses her forehead as a means of controlling her in contrast to when delico used to do so as a comforting gesture when they were children living in the orphanage, but not necessarily faces. it is, however, likely that she can remember names from people in her past, to a degree. it's also worthy of note that erica's visage is oftentimes emotionless & not to mention she very rarely actually speaks & the only person she actually verbally speaks to and communicates with is mikhail & her body language is often nonverbal communication so it's hard to necessarily pick up what she's thinking or feeling. here's what we DO know though. even if she isn't professionally diagnosed as far as we know, erica canonically has c-ptsd due to long, extended periods of trauma that happened for over two decades & is still undergoing that trauma on an everyday basis as a hitwoman & essentially ivan's slave in all but name as she undergoes a deeply abusive & toxic relationship to the point where she will do literally anything ivan says, because that's how she's literally conditioned & programmed under torture ( otherwise known as t.bmc or t.orture/trauma b.ased m.ind c.ontrol, is an extreme form of conditioning where a victim is tortured until they "snap" and enter an extremely dissociative state and thus are able to be manipulated and have parts of their mind and thinking warped ) & also seemingly under the influence of drugs ( otherwise known as d.bmc or d.rug based m.ind c.ontrol which is similar but with the usage of illicit substances instead of torture to cause the same amount of dissociation and vulnerability to suggestion ) to be, not rejecting his touch, but rather leaning into his touch to receive affection. isolation and solitude literally kills people, ivan abused and violated her so much growing up that she literally seeks his attention as a way of comforting herself, because... in her eyes, even the affections of a monster is better than no affection. similarly to sharp objects: "a child weaned on poison considers harm a comfort".

something i've& noticed too is that she's often depicted staring into the distance and/or away from the reader because she's likely dissociating especially in scenes where her trauma may have been triggered because in all these scenes where she's looking away, ivan is saying and/or doing something terrible that likely reminds her of her own trauma, i.e daniel and ivan describing her kidnapping from the vermeil orphanage, ivan quite literally confessing that he assaults her every night in front of everyone she's ever known in the most sickening twisted & humiliating way possible.

the only time we& see erica's internal dialogue is in this panel, showing that ivan has corrupted her from the little girl delico & yang knew from when they were boys. erica likes killing. she likes murdering people. she likes seeing others she perceives as weaker than her in pain, even if she does not express this outwardly.

it's also worthy of note that erica does not seem to recognize nicolas either, despite him being the one to hold her up on his shoulders & play with her while she happily gifted flowers to everyone around her. in fact, she doesn't seem to recognize delico, yang or nicolas at all by their visage, physique or scent & she's interacted with nicolas twice now. i& think if she'd had remembered any of them, there'd probably be some kind of implication, but there's also the possibility that if she Does remember them, it's just that her memories of everything she once knew before her kidnapping is deeply hidden under layers under layers of her psyche & she's just not showing anything about how she's feeling bc that's what her trauma & conditioning did to her. not only did she lose her autonomy and freedom, she lost her personhood, she was reduced to a thing that had to follow orders from her abusive master without question. what happened to her was fucked up on every level. erica was once that little girl who used to sit on nicolas' shoulders and hand out flowers to people & now ivan, daniel monroe & corsica all turned her into this shell of her former self.

i& personally don't think it's a physical, physiological permanent age regression & that's only bc that's extremely rare afaik & the only scenario that i've& heard of where someone has permanently age regressed ( & even then as an autistic person i& do know that a lot of autistic people dislike the term m.ental a.ge so i'm& using a.ge r.egression here as an alternative ) was that the person in question was given a LOT of thallium poisoning & managed to be saved in time because it's just so rarely used & while, yes, erica was painfully experimented on & injected with various drugs, i& don't think ivan or any of her handlers would poison her, because that wouldn't be useful if they were intending on training the perfect soldier, if you will, but i& think it's a possibility that she may involuntarily age regress to cope with her trauma seeing how that's extremely common with people with cptsd & those with dissociative disorders like did, for example, ourselves& included, which in our& case the vast majority of the time is involuntary, but it hasn't been shown onscreen so that's really anyone's guess. & really the only time we see her smile as an adult is when she's collecting tags or when she's kissed on the forehead in one scene which is just... so heartbreaking.

the scene with "YANG!" really piques my interest too, especially because delico saying it then yang rushing in to help delico then erica's face isn't shown seems to depict it as ambiguous as to whether or not she recognized his name.

but i do think that over time she probably does have at least some recognition especially when you consider everyone's been saying her name multiple times over and over and over again and daniel deliberately refers to erica as "your sister" to delico right in front of her so i'm sure something must've clicked, especially when you consider yang just fucking snaps, seeing her as the poor, abused woman that she actually is, not some tool to be used and commanded, but a person who has experienced unimaginable suffering, and attempts to shoot ivan and avenge erica's honor and then erica turns around, looks directly at him and gives yang this look.

i believe that's a silent plea. she's looking at him, silently begging him not to shoot. it's all so twisted and fucked up, but as monstrous and vile as he is, ivan is all she has. it really is a "i have no mouth, and i must scream" moment. after her kidnapping and being painfully experimented on, kept isolated from the rest of the world in a lab, subjected to the same brainwashing & experiments the destroyers are under, until she was the only one who survived and likely having to kill the other experiments, her old friends from the orphanage, and later being trained and programmed into becoming the ultimate weapon and the strongest most powerful weapon they've ever had, she likely only ever had the attention her master gave her to look to for a human connection, and when someone is so heavily abused, they often form what might seem to those who haven't experienced heavy abuse to be an odd attachment to the person who brought them so much pain. and i think in her mind, ivan gives her a sense of purpose and it's safe to assume that she derives much of her self worth from him despite the abuse she suffered at his hands and daniel monroe's and uranos corsica's hands. and because of the high rates of neglect in orphanages among other things and because she was kidnapped so young, it's very possible she has no concept of what boundaries and safety let alone what healthy relationships are. it's in her very name, the erica flower represents loneliness & solitude in the victorian era flower language while also meaning "ever powerful" & "eternal ruler", ironically because she has no power over herself. she was once her own person but was completely stripped of all her humanity & personal autonomy, a shell of her former self. she seemingly can't remember anyone or anything from before she was kidnapped & was a subject of monroe & corsica's experimentations, a borderline mindless murder machine who can't remember her childhood friend let alone her own brother. whenever delico and nicolas made eye contact with her, there was seemingly no recognition whatsoever despite her previous dynamics with them before her kidnapping. she was about to kill nicolas with no hesitation even though he was once like an older brother to her who played with her and carried her on his shoulders while she gave out flowers to others. it's extremely heartbreaking to think about because she's so desensitized to slaughtering hundreds if not thousands of innocent people and only wanting a kiss on the forehead. only to be told showed off to delico that ivan assaults her every night. she's not any kind of ruler at all, she's essentially a slave to ivan, monroe, & corsica who've completely mind controlled her, she doesn't rule over anyone, not even herself. but everyone has their breaking point.

and i think yang catches onto this because this comes right after, this seems to be a flashback to whenever they were in vermeil orphanage as children and that's when yang changes his mind to shoot daniel instead then delico ends up shooting yang.

i do think, though, that there has to be a reason for all this, bc i don't think kohske would show us all this awful stuff if it didn't have some kind of purpose on either delico and/or erica's and/or yang's story other than constant trauma ykwim?? literally Every Single Abuser dies brutally at the end like what happened with alex, cursed!beretta etc., often by their own hands or someone else. i have no idea what's gonna happen next in the canon storyline but i think there's a possibility that she could survive & get better, but it'd take... a Lot of deprogramming bc i think she's been heavily programmed under many different types, i just hope she survives.

Btw does anyone have theories on Erica not recognizing Yang and Delico?

Mine is that she thinks of herself as a child--age when she was kidnapped--so to her Yang and Delico are also children as she remembers them... But now that she met them as adults, and especially post puberty (not only physical changes but also voice changes) she couldn't recognize them bc she was looking for two little boys.

But I think there are hints she recognized the name YANG. (I forgot if it was because Delico shouted the name?)

[ramblesofakio]

If you don’t believe RAMCOA/TBMC is a genuine thing, please block me

I’m tired of seeing people post about how “it doesn’t exist” and say that “ramcoa doesn’t exist but the trauma does.” It’s irritating to be told what I went through doesn’t exist and does exist at the same time.

It’s important to hear survivors and to be able to understand that this shit happens and still does. Cults, trafficking rings, etc. they all happen. Just because you think that someone can’t force a system doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Do you know how much trauma that someone faces within shit like that? How easy it is for someone to see that there’s so much dissociation and use it against them?

I’m tired of so many people thinking that ramcoa survivors aren’t real. We are, we exist.

If you don’t believe it, please block me.

[many-but-one]

Satanic Panic, The False Memory Foundation’s Shaky Origins, and Why You Should Believe RAMCOA Survivors

(TW: mentions of RAMCOA, False Memory Foundation, child torture & death, cults, trafficking)

Pretty disappointed to see a fairly popular and well known blog on tumblr is encouraging the idea that RAMCOA doesn’t exist. Just came across this post and was pretty bummed to see the comments too.

For those that agree with them (most of my followers won’t but who knows who will stumble across this), please know that RAMCOA has been going on for much longer than the Satanic Panic. The Satanic Panic was fabricated in an effort to discredit RAMCOA survivors. It was supported by the False Memory Foundation, which was created by a man (and his wife) trying to prove his daughter’s repressed memories of trauma involving him did not really happen. [Explained further in the third article further down in this post]

For the record, false memory/planting false memories has been disproven, it’s not possible to fully plant false memories in patients. Some memories can be altered to an extent because memories can be disjointed and influence from others can cause memories to shift slightly, which is why it’s not encouraged for trauma patients to share exact detailed memories with each other. For example, if two trauma patients were abused by their father and had a similar situation happen and patient A spoke about their experience in detail, if both fathers wore glasses and patient A describes their father to have black rimmed glasses, patient B’s memory might shift to believe that their father also had black rimmed glasses, even though his glasses were gold rimmed. However, it’s not possible to fully plant memories that do not exist in a patient’s memory. The “base memory” so to speak has to be there in order for any alterations to occur, and those alterations that are possible are often rather minuscule, such as glasses or whether or not their abuser had facial hair or not, or the color of the person’s eyes. Not an entire scene of RA. [Again, explained well by the third article below.]

Repressed memory has been proven to exist. (Though it’s more accurately called dissociated memories by clinicians) It can even exist in people who have traumas that happen in adulthood. Pieces of a traumatic event may go missing in a patient’s working memory, and they may not retrieve it until they are ready to process the memory and all the emotions and information that comes with it. However, it still exists stored in the brain, just in a different area than working memory. It’s why triggers to the traumatic event (that the patient may not even realize are triggers until they occur) can cause flashbacks and memory resurfacing during said flashbacks.

Some sources explaining the False Memory Foundation and the harm they’ve caused: [a good overview of a woman who was major in the development of the idea of repressed memory being a myth, by a researcher of child psychiatry], [while this is a psychology today article, I think this explains well how misused the idea of FMS - false memory syndrome - is.] [A comprehensive article explaining the roots of the FMF and how the studies used to “prove” false memory are terrible and easily debunked, with several assertions from professionals in the field.] I want to add that while the FMF has dissolved and rightfully so, the British False Memory Society is still alive and well, as well as the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction, and both groups still cite False Memory Syndrome as being real and claim that RAMCOA survivors have false memories of their abuse.

However, before Satanic Panic happened, people were starting to actually believe in the existence of RAMCOA and the concept of DID was brought into the mainstream. A survivor on tiktok has a very good video on this situation. And that scared people, especially the abusers themselves who didn’t want to get caught. That’s when the False Memory Foundation stepped in on the heels of Satanic Panic and literally rewrote the textbooks therapists learned from, and basically taught everyone that repressed memory doesn’t exist. Any therapists that spoke about their patients’ experiences with RAMCOA were sued. Therapists stopped wanting to treat RAMCOA patients for fear of being sued and/or losing their license or being told they planted these memories in their patients’ heads and possibly losing their licenses. It led to generations of old therapists not treating RAMCOA patients and generations of new therapists learning it doesn’t exist.

But it does exist. To outright deny that child torture cannot exist is absurd. 1-2% of reported child abuse falls under the definition of child torture. [source, TW: photos of children with serious injuries from torture included on page 7 of this document] For the record, my abuse was never and has never been reported, and most survivors—RAMCOA and non-RAMCOA, whose trauma falls under the definition of torture—never reported or plan to report.

Even if you find the mind control aspect to be far-fetched, ritual abuse most certainly does exist. I’ve seen videos on the surface web on fucking tiktok of all places of child torture and ritual abuse. Organized abuse such as sex trafficking and labor trafficking does exist. Two out of those three things in the acronym are well documented to exist. And for the record, ritual abuse and cult abuse even in adults can cause extreme mind and identity alteration, upwards to the point of nearly being mind control. Look up OSDD-2 in the DSM-V. Look up just about any cult survivors testimonies and hear how they talk about how they nearly became a different person within their cult, how the cult uses torture and mind altering drugs to get their initiates to commit terrible acts of violence to each other. Now imagine if that same stuff were happening to a child whose mind is significantly easier to mold and change. Even if the child RAMCOA survivor does not develop DID, it can cause extreme conditioned responses in which the child (or now grown adult or teen) will still do the responses even now because as a child they were threatened with torture or death if they didn’t do it.

Mind control is essentially an extreme form of conditioning, and with the plethoras of research on DID and how it functions, it’s not even a difficult concept to grasp that a cult member might learn how to split new alters in a child via torture and then manipulate those alters to do what they want individually. Anyone who knows fuck all about DID knows that alters can be triggered out via positive and negative triggers. All mind control programming is, is creating a specific trigger for a specific alter and then when that child is exposed to that trigger, that alter comes out and does the task it was taught to do—usually via torture, manipulation, and threats of harm to the child or those the child loves. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp, and with how long TBMC (torture based mind control) programmers have had to perfect their work, it’s no surprise that they’ve learned how to make alters do extremely complex tasks or hold onto specific functions, always at the ready for their specific trigger.

RAMCOA research doesn’t exist in mainstream spaces because it’s nearly impossible to be taken seriously because of people who claim it doesn’t exist when it’s not even a complex topic to understand. They just don’t want to accept that it exists. The concept is terrifying, harrowing, and at some times almost absurd—and that combination makes it easier for people to put their blinders up and decide it doesn’t exist. [Edited to add: On top of this, what little research is done on it is steeped in conspiracy theories that often have roots in antisemitism. While I’ve asserted that Miller’s deprogramming books are good reads for RAMCOA survivors, she does often sound conspiratorial, and quotes Svali, a known antisemite. While I don’t think RAMCOA is exclusively related to the Illuminati stuff she often talks about, Miller’s work cannot be completely discounted because of her beliefs of where the abuse originated. Where it originates matters much less than the fact that it happens. However, not from dark, underground, secret societies—but from normal places like churches, children’s own homes (yes, RAMCOA can be done by a single parent to a single child, it just may look different than say, a trafficking ring), trafficking rings, militaristic groups, political cults, etc. I wanted to put the above put there because I know someone is going to come at me and try to say the researchers who talk about it were conspiracy theorists. Yeah, they were. Maybe they were the only ones willing to talk openly about it because of the fact they’re conspiracy theorists? I don’t know. However, I think it should also be noted that just because the researchers sucked doesn’t mean the information taken from them isn’t useful when you weed out the conspiracy stuff. For example, a LOT of modern understanding of medicine was taken from Nazi and Japanese experiments during WWII. Arguably some of the worst doctors on earth. Do we discount everything we learned because they were horrible, evil, people? No. While those who studied RAMCOA went about it in shit ways, that doesn’t discount the information learned completely. Likewise, much of modern psych understanding came from roots that included incredibly unethical experiments that would never be allowed today. Do we throw out all of that info too? No, we don’t. I’m not saying that we shouldn’t hold these people accountable, I’m saying we cannot throw out all discussion of RAMCOA because the doctors who talked about it were shitty people.]

I wish I could decide it doesn’t exist. I have permanent scarring that proves what happened did happen. I have doctor’s visits that prove I am disabled because of the traumas I went through. I have a DID specialist who didn’t even know programming to our extent even existed before our parts started telling her what they went through and she heard it from our own mouth. She had to learn how to deprogram us on the fly because she’d never done so before. So fuck off with your “oh, RAMCOA patients only have RAMCOA because they’ve been influenced by their therapist to believe they do” bullshit.

I relive my traumas in flashbacks and nightmares daily. There have been periods in my healing process where I couldn’t leave the house without someone with me for months. I couldn’t hold a job for nearly a year. I didn’t know any of this happened to me until I was in my 20s. I thought my memory was just bad and the only parts of my childhood I remembered were little blips of good things, usually involving my parent that was not involved with the cult or memories with friends at school or when I was hanging out with my sports teammates. Living with this stuff is hell. You think I want to live with this stuff? If I could permanently erase it all from my memory forever I would. But I can’t. I don’t have that luxury.

It happened. And I’m not the only child it happened to, both in the area of my country I live in and in areas all over my country and the world. This is not an isolated phenomenon. It is more common than anyone tends to realize (though still rarer than most DID cases, thank fuck). I was lucky to survive. I survived because they wanted me to. I saw a lot of children, teens, and adults who were not as “lucky” as I was. If you won’t respect survivors and their stories, at least respect the ones who didn’t survive. They didn’t deserve their final moments to be so full of pain. All of the children in these groups deserved to be loved and cared for and treated with softness and compassion. So do adult survivors like me and many others.

If I could end on one thing, it would be to urge the doubters to have some fucking compassion and empathy for people who have been through things they cannot even begin to understand. My past feels like a nightmare I will never be able to escape. I cannot erase it. I can only try to heal from it. So heal I will do, and in the process I will continue to speak the truth of my experience as safely as I can.

You want proof it’s real? Survivors are your proof.

WE are the proof.

[Edit: changed some wording for clarification + added a section after rereading a couple hours later]

[Edit 2: I realized I said my abuse has never been reported, I meant my RAMCOA related abuse. Want to make that clear. I reported sexual abuse done by my church to CPS and nothing came of it. CPS actually wrongfully claimed that since they had no reports existing of that church harming kids they wouldn’t pursue it since it happened so long ago, when a cursory google search of said location shows they’ve been reported multiple times and all reports were dropped. Why, I’m not sure.]

[ghxst-system]

as a programmed system i feel i need to say this:

if u EVER think being made to be a system is "cool" (@ THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE MORE SYSTEMS????)

FUCK. YOU.

i did not get tortured and fucking trafficked for u to destroy the meaning of a *TRAUMA DISORDER*

[transtbmc]

⠀⠀ Trans ✦ TBMC

◡◡⠀ Definition ◦

transtbmc is a subset of transharmed and transtrauma where one wishes to have gone through, or internally believes they should have gone through, trauma/torture based mind control (TBMC).

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Date: 12 / 18 / 2023

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[judgmentbytheh0unds]

you. you made me out to be something special, your prized possession, your protégé, and i trusted you with the deepest parts in my mind.

you just left me like everybody else.

i’ll forever wait for you to return with my collar still intact, じま.

[mildew-spirits]

I hate when the dots connect. FUCK WHY ARE THE DOTS CONNECTING WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE CRAZY, NOT PROVEN RIGHT.

[requiemsystem]

WHAT IS RAMCOA

TW for discussion of RAMCOA and programming RAMCOA stands for Ritual Abuse, Mind Control, and Organized Abuse. below i will explain what each of these means RITUAL ABUSE is abuse done in a ritualized manner. this can have an ideology behind it but it doesnt always. an example would be abuse occurring at the same time of year (for example, on the individuals birthday, or on a holiday) in the same manner, or abuse occurring at the same time of day each day with a religious ideology behind it MIND CONTROL includes things such as TBMC and programming. TBMC stands for Torture Based Mind Control, it is the intentional implementation of triggers (cues) into a victim to make them behave in specific ways or believe specific things, done through torture. programming is a form of TBMC done with the intent to form dissociative states ORGANIZED ABUSE is abuse done in an organized manner. this involves multiple perpetrators and often multiple victims as well. some examples would be cults and trafficking rings in my opinion, you do not have to experience all of these to be a RAMCOA survivor. they often go together, and are closely linked, but not all OA survivors will be MC survivors, for example, and that doesnt make their experiences any less real - grey

[anonsystem]

programming things that suck:

programmed migraines

programmed seizures

programmed arousal

flood programs

spin programs

God, everything about being programmed is awful

[pink-devolve]

As someone who is a programmed PF-DID system, we need to stop using the term HC-DID. Here’s why ⬇️

1. The system that coined the term is a groomer and is anti-semitic. There is evidence(some screenshots included below) of the MayMay system(The 20y/o coiner of the term) being sexual towards minors up to 5 years younger than them. In MayMay’s discord server, 15 year olds are allowed in NSFW channels that have sexting in them. MayMay has joked about sexually assaulting a 16 y/o. There is a 15 year old that seems to always be with MayMay, and constantly talks about interacting with MayMay in a NSFW context. Etc etc etc. There have also been screenshots of MayMay using the term “Jew” as a derogatory insult.

2. The term excludes programmed systems that do not have a highly complex case of DID Many programmed systems can not use the term “HC-DID” due to having OSDD, not having PF-DID, etc. All programmed systems have distinct differences from non-programmed systems, but programmed systems without a highly complex case of DID don’t have a straightforward term to describe their experience. I’ve seen a lot of people use the term HC-DID and programmed interchangeably, and imo that’s not fair to other survivors trying to find community.

3. You can have a highly complex case of DID and not be programmed. You can have trauma that is just as extreme as the trauma experienced by programmed systems, end up with a highly complex case of PF-DID, and not be programmed. I’ve met some non-programmed PF-DID systems with insane system structures. One system I knew was not programmed, but had hundreds of different alters, all with very specific roles, hierarchy, and layers, that all fronted to do very specific tasks. They told me they had a specific alter who fronted to wash their hands, and another specific alter who fronted to sleep on wednesdays. Their case could absolutely be considered highly complex, but again, they weren’t programmed.

4. We have terms used/created by professionals, that don’t have any of these issues. The terms mind-controlled DID (MC-DID) and Torture based mind control DID (TBMC-DID) have both been coined by professionals, can be used with other plural disorders(MC-OSDD), or to describe all plural disorders at once(MC-system), can’t be used to describe non-programmed systems, etc.

Overall, I don’t have an issue with individuals that use the term HC-DID, I just think it’s annoying that it’s the default way to say “programmed system”. I honestly think the term is a fine way to describe systems with a highly complex structure, and should still be used in that context. But if we do that, the term should be open to non-programming survivors as well. There is absolutely no reason to fight over this term. It’s really not that deep. But if you’d like to debate respectfully I am happy to.

[ennieasys]

[hateaintwinning]

Unwelcome-ozian's book selling step by step instructions on how to sexually assault a child. Including which sex positions to rape a child in and what to say to a child while raping them. As well as how to gas light, trauma bond, and abuse the child.

Link to free copy of Rules of Programming - you can see for yourself.

In light of unwelcome-ozian publicly abusing a teenage girl I wanted to put a spot light on this. This comes from someone who claims to have been taught how to abuse children, and is now teaching other people I guess? Presenting it as raising awareness for the sake of survivors of child abuse, but after what been brought to light about them this is a lot more disturbing.

It provides step by step instructions on how to gas light and trauma bond a child to you after / as you sexually abuse them.

They are currently threatening to post stories of a teenage girl being torutured and sexually assaulted, along with her identifying information without her consent, again. In retaliation for her coming forward about her experience with them.

They are undeniably well aware of the damage and trauma they are inflicting.

They openly give "tips" on how to abuse children.

[mausoleum-system]

Am I the only one who finds Cult of the Lamb a disguating game? Especially as a RAMCOA/cult victim.

From what I know it makes it out to be fun and quirky to be a cult leader. Which is awful. I know you're able to sacrifice and harm your followers, and can have them have kids for "desired traits." Like wtaf? As a cult survivor I find this game horrible, and it makes me sick. Esp with how popular it is. Can anyone else relate to this?

It deals with a touchy subject, and paints it in a fun light. But cults arent fun. They harm tons of people. And I see people out there thinking it's funny to talk about wanting to be a cult leader. It pm shows ppl that cults arent as bad as they actually are. I really hope im not the only one.

[many-but-one]

why do people program kids? what's the point???

(TW: ramcoa, programming, mc, trafficking, torture, child death, csem)

This is a question that has been rattling around in many people’s brains for a long time. I will rephrase your question in a way that is even more blunt: why do people torture kids? Because that is what programming is. Torture.

There are two answers, one is the one that programmers would say. One is the truth.

What programmers say: to create a perfect slave, someone who will do what I want with a simple gesture, phrase, etc. No matter the risk of harm to them or others.

The truth: thrill seeking egocentric sadists derive pleasure from torturing kids, raping kids, and making them bend to their will. They often film it and sell the media to other sick fucks for profit. These sorts of videos are unfortunately extremely profitable. One snuff film made over the course of a night could be worth thousands of dollars. That is why they do it. They like hurting people, kids are easy to control, and they like making money doing it.

There is no real, justified reason why programmers do what they do. There is no justification for torturing children and animals, no matter what they say. And if they truly believe what they tell others, it is because it helps them distance themselves from their heinous acts. If they are creating something with it, it makes the actions seem justifiable to the right people. They may claim they are building an army of programmed soldiers, but don’t realize that if they sent their programmed system into a combat situation the gunfire would trigger them so such a degree that they would be rendered useless. They make subservient sex slaves for profit, but once they get too old to not draw in the same crowd, they dispose of them and let them out into the world with no care to the mental and physical toll that life as a sex slave has done to the child.

They are insidious, evil people. They do not see children as human beings, but products to sell. Animals to put down. They care a lot less about the final product and more about the product that is made along the way—the torture films they make money off of and the excitement and thrill they get from torturing kids to program them.

Programming is not like how Alison Miller and many other conspirators make it seem. They are not making super soldiers or spies. They are profiting off of child torture and then either killing them by the end or letting them go. The only true reason things like callback programming or loyalty programming or silence programming or omega/suicide programming exists is so that they don’t get caught. If the system goes back, they will either be killed or reprogrammed or retrafficked or convinced to become a programmer themselves. They will not be going to complete some sacred duty that the programmers told them. Loyalty is only so they never tell secrets. Silence is so they never tell secrets. Suicide programming is so that they will die before telling secrets.

Programming is all about profit and not getting caught. That is why they do it. My programmers told me all the time that I would eventually become a spy for them. Black Widow style—a seductress who would kill their targets. The reality? I was a sex slave who had to commit heinous acts on camera that they sold, and when they were done with me, they cared less about that “end product” they claimed I was working towards. They’d rather see me kill myself than say even a modicum of truth about their motives.

To which I would say: kill me yourself, you cowards.

I hope that answers your question.

-Jade 🐉 (she/her)

[ghxst-system]

shout out to programmed / ramcoa systems who...

- can never fully mentally mature

- were made to mature too young

- know and remember nothing or just snippets

- know and remember everything or most things

- can't currently access therapy for safety or personal reasons

- are currently in therapy