#tert te

[isekyaaa]

The hard thing about typology is that eventually you reach a point where, despite knowing theory very well, you type purely off of habits/quirks/etc because they're easy to catch (when you know what you're looking for) and almost always right.

[days-of-candy-222]

serious analysis of my (old) favorite villains (I abhor them a little)

[subconsciousmysteries]

Some people think I'm ESFP. Fair typing but it's a no from me. I am ISFP, this is going to my grave.

[mistype360]

to add to my most recent post about functions, how would you describe se and si because i get so tired of seeing “sports and adrenaline!!” “memory and nostalgia!!” for them in descriptions 😭🙏 and how would si-ne and fi-te interact as the aux and tert functions? i love your responses as always 🫶🫶

YESS I literally hate sensor/intuitive descriptions with burning passion...especially that one ni description I read online 😭...

I genuinely relate and understand more of functions through examples of them irl, so I sorted them this way if that is more helpful

se

very opportunistic: might see a sale at a store and jump on the offer (even do the math if high in ti). will also be quick to join in on tiktok, fashion, or internet trends and get easily excited and interested in them.

sees loopholes in rules/guidelines, finds ways around it

better at improvising situations: when cooking a recipe they will know what to do when missing an ingredient. will eyeball measurements they have to take. more likely to think of fun quick last minute plans if something goes wrong.

absurdism/stoicism: controlling what you can, embracing whatever happens, push and pull between finding meaning and being indifferent, makes meaning personal

mayyy be appearance focused (not always); jewelry, hair, makeup, FASHION...

si

can see distinctions easily: what someone sees as a forest, the si will see as spruces, pines, maples, etc. might also say, "__ is NOT the same as ___." is aware of grammar more quickly than others (not because they're focused on it, they do it with ease).

focused on mistakes: (might be forgiving if high in fe, but more like "forgive but don't forget.). BUT also remembers mistakes made by self as in hopes to not repeat them in the future. could also make them perfectionistic.

"oh, this reminds me of ___!!": gets excited when they learn a new word, and later see it used in a tiktok ;p

skeptical of things: doesn't trust ads they see immediately, does research on a product before buying, thinks critically about social media (and celebrity culture in general), doesn't trust if something is 'too good to be true'

focused on meaning: unlike se which is more indifferent, the istj is more likely to ask what the point of doing something before they do it. doesn't necessarily like things that are pointless (combined with unenjoyable). **DOESN't mean they don't have hobbies based on enjoyment, tbh most istj's find meaning through their own emotions as well

[sxturnrjpple]

hirano typology analysis <3

okay, everyone! let's start off from this page first thing first.

as you can see he's typed estj 1w2 but let's go further in this:

estjs are te-fi si-ne axis based which means his te and his si need fi and ne to function (this axis is applied for ti-fe se-ni as well and goes both ways).

(for anyone who doesn't know how this works: cognitive function in a stack of 8 make a type AND it's shadow type (your "opposite" type) as you can see in the screenshot up there functions are set this way: introvert > extr. > intr > extr. OR extr. > intr. > extr. > intr.)

let's start with his dom-aux stack

honestly, i believe he's an estj as well so im going to stick with this typing.

his dominant function is Te, i think this guy has an unbearable amount of Te here 😭

up to now I've noticed he is:

- rational

- more in his head than his heart

- pragmatic

- focused on efficiency

- very responsible

- direct (says what he thinks in your face even if it might hurt you (for ex. like when he rejected kagi for the first time)

as for his Si, which is high as well, this is what I've noticed:

- respects traditions (doesn't mean he supports them but he has nothing against them)

- sense of duty and responsibility

- he needs structure and order

- he's loyal

- resistant to major changes

- stubborn

- tidy

actually about his dominant function (between Te and Si) i have something to say about his Fi in the tert-inf stack. i think he uses much more Fi than Ne so I'd move it to tert. position and put Ne in inf. that'd make him an istj tho. in the latest chapter we can see how he thinks it's "right" not to stop Kagi from moving on but it's not an action of pure morality since sensei's shown us his whole reasonment. we can see that it's more of a "rational morality" which in a in a typology aspect is clearly Te and Fi working together. Still, i think both an istj and estj typing are correct since there's only a difference in the functions positions (estj: Te-Si-Ne-Fi istj: Si-Te-Fi-Ne).

okay now comes my fav part of typology!

enneagram, tritype and instinctual variants!

im gonna note them here so I don't have to scroll up over and over again.

enneagram: 1w2

tritype: 152

instinctual variants: so/sp

alright, so. I'd make some changes here.

first thing, his enneagram. i think e1 is correct for him since e1 is a perfectionist who thinks they have some kind of mission, they're usually systematic and responsible (in his case his self-given mission could be helping kagi with his studies for ex.) while for his w2, i honestly don't know because e2s help others out of a personal gain (to feel better about themselves) which I don't think is hirano's case because he genuinely helps others even if he doesn't get anything in return. he could be a 1w9 in my opinion. type 9s look for harmony and peace and fear having their harmony shaken/broken which could be related to his change avoidance? i think it's surely better than 1w2 (since type 2s are subconsciously selfish and he isn't selfish at all).

tritype: i think it's correct, although I wouldn't type him an e5 since he's not shown us he likes to collect knowledge "just because"

instinctual variants: I don't think so/sp is accurate, he's probably an sx/so. from my point of view it's like he values his close relationships more, by this i mean it's like he's completely comfortable with only one person (which is kagi) and I wouldn't change the social typing

we reached the end of my analysis!

it's probably confusing since my thought process is very messy to begin with, I'm sorry if it seems like that 😭

cyaa <3

[rainytypology]

ATEEZ Wooyoung MBTI Analysis

- ESFP -

An in-depth analysis of an idol's MBTI type. Based on my opinion and observations, may change later. Not an expert.

ESFP (Se - Fi - Te - Ni)

Dom: Se (Extroverted Sensing)

A perceiving function that uses our 5 senses to process the external world.

Wooyoung is always aware of the present moment, quick to react and to take action. He also pays attention to physical things such as aesthetics, the visuals of the performance, the way he looks, etc physical appearances matter a lot to him.

He enjoys photography and videography, which are pretty good activities for Se - it allows him to use his senses to make visually stimulating images and videos. Physically engaging activities seem like the best way to energize him e.g cooking and riding a bike. Cooking is great for his Se as it engages with all his senses - all the movement in cooking, tasting the foods, the aromas, watching the food cook, plating, maybe he enjoys hearing the sounds of food cooking as well and/or the way kitchen tools slightly hit each other (e.g knife on a cutting board).

This moment especially was an incredibly Se dom moment. Comparing it to Si user Jongho (Si has to step back and assess first), being the Se dom he is, Woo just went for it.

Aux: Fi (Introverted Feeling)

A judging function that uses one's own values and belief to compare and make choices

As Fi wants to be authentic, that is what Wooyoung always strives for - he always wants to express himself well, to be real. He wants people to like him for him. He returns the same gesture with others - he wants to know the real version of others. Wooyoung tries not to make assumptions at first meet since he knows he will not learn everything just from one encounter. He seems very empathetic.

Tert: Te (Extroverted Thinking)

A judging function that uses established facts and systems to make objective, working decisions.

He's quite goal oriented and takes time to plan to achieve these goals, even if it's not the most detailed. Either way, he knows how to get what he wants and works hard to reach his achievements.

Wooyoung lays down the rules as well - Te can be by the book, which Wooyoung can be sometimes. E.g when he was explaining how he found it rude when juniors would not put in the effort to correctly bow down to him and other senior artists. Wooyoung has a strong belief in being humble and kind (Fi) and wants to implement this in everyone.

Inf: Ni (Introverted Intuition)

A perceiving function that uses one's own personal insights and ideas

In his episode of "Fill in the Blank" series, Wooyoung said he wanted to use dance to convey deeper messages and emotions for others. He wants to be a sense of comfort, the light in other's darkness. He has always wanted to make an impact on others from a young age, especially considering how much he values relationships.

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Why is he not an xSFJ or ISTJ

Both types use Si - Ne, which I do not see in Wooyoung at all...xSFJ's Fe is understandable, but Wooyoung is sometimes a bit too straightforward and honest to be using Fe in his main stack though lol.

And ISTJ just does not make sense in general for him.

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Other analysis:

Enneagram | Birth Chart

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Kpop typology list

[blueopinions49]

Mistyping on MBTI

Introduction 

The purpose of this post is to understand what are mistyping and how they happen. I’ll explain some of the patterns ive noticed when it comes to some of the mistypings as well as some of examples ive I personally disagree with. Please dont take any of this as a personal insult if any of these examples I give are things you've done in the past or the typings I disagree with are your own. 

Case #1Misunderstanding Functions 

-What I refer to by the misunderstanding of functions I mean it's the general purpose of the function and how does this function work and perceive reality. I understand that functions can be complicated and Carl Jung’s definition of Ni can be convoluted and confusing (sometimes just plain vague) however I do think that typing people/characters  needs at least allot of backing up with your knowledge of functions. Usually the misunderstanding I see with each functions comes out in these ways.

Si- Memories/Any form of previously obtained knowledge 

Se-Impulsiveness and Aggression

Fi-Sensitivy and Emotionality 

Fe-Caring

Ti- Thinking in any capacity 

Te-Rudeness 

Ne- Quirks and Quips 

Ni- just knowing stuff

Ex-Sasuke Uchiha (ISFP)- Sasuke is often typed as an INTJ due to his preference for Ni-Fi HOWEVER when it comes to how he perceives reality and his way to deal with conflict its pretty clear he is an Fi dom. There is this misconception of Fi=Sensitivity and Emotionality. However this couldn't  be farther from the truth. Fi is simply preferring your Core Values and desire over the other. His goal was always Fi related NOT Ni related.   

Case#3 Simplification of Functions

Following the last case this is usually the more common one I see when it comes to mistyping usually people will flatten functions or just straight up default to god awful stereotypes of each type when it comes to typing them. You'll often see people “Trope Type” certain charcaters. Most of their arguments revolve around the aesthetic of the character and then their functions. Which is why those peoples typing will usually look like this.

ESXJ-Mean Girl and stuck up

ISXJ-Boring ones

ESXP-Immature,Dumb or straight up substance abuse 

ISXP-Edgy 

XNTP-Quips and Quirks but always the smartest 

XNFJ-Kind Humanitarian

XNFP-Sentimental mess

XNTJ-Villain

Ex-Naruto Uzumaki (EXFP)I know I previously typed him as an ENFP however I've been thinking of the relation of his Se-Ni throughout the show and I might change my typing. However thus far every single Se dom argument I read for Naruto reads like this “ Well he is immature” “he is impulsive and reckless” “ can't be an Ne dom because Intuitive=smart and Sensor=Dumb” sometimes they don't say this word for word but their arguments boil down to this. And I find it quite frustrating cuz those same people look at you straight in the eye and say that you're intuitive bias, even tho they are the ones defaulting to stereotypes. 

Case #4 Positioning of Functions 

Character development in MBTI is more complex than character development in Enneagram. Depending on the movie/tv show the character might either develop their inferior function or their tert function. Which is why understanding the position and model you are using for MBTI and be consistent using it. The position of function is important because they are what defined the person and how they approach data management. Also certain characters might have preference for their tert function rather than their aux functions. Some Characters just use their stack in a very balanced way. 

Ex- Sokka (ESTJ)- He is often typed as an ENTP due to his exaggerated use of Ne in the later seasons. To me at least he is an ESTJ with a preference for TeNe. Sokka never really uses NeTi in the first book. His priority came in form of TeSi (Organizing the environment with a solid metric and detailed positioning of others). His development came in the form of his Ne not Fi. To the point he ends of sticking to it in Book 2 and Book 3. 

Case #4 Character Traits=/=Cognitive Preferences/Perception

Often people conflate how a character/person acts instead of how they think and proceed with conflict. MBTI isnt really a personality theory but rather and understanding of your cognitive process and preference. It's based on how you perceive reality and how you make decisions based on your dominant function. If anything enneagram would be closer to an actual personality test. 

Ex- Amy March (ESFP)- I took such a long time to come to this typing because similarly to Naruto people only talked about how she was an annoying immature child. However her monologue points to her stresses and how she must stick to her SeTe rather than SeFi due to how the environment is working and suppressing women in that era. 

Case #5 Just making things up 

This is the most common one I see when people type characters, they usually just make things up. Sometimes there isn't any contextual evidence on what they are talking about and will mostly differ to broad and vague statements that hold no wait or aren't represented in the narrative. Sometimes they'll just take things out of context and will just go with them and end up convincing people even if their argument is 95% fabricated stuff and the 5% is misunderstanding on their part. 

Ex-Ada Wong (IXTJ)  Ada Wong’s Ti is non existent and no one online has ever written an argument where I there is enough evidence on what they are saying. Ada isnt a person who is interested in analytical process and internal understanding. Even character development comes from XiFi not Fe. Sorry but liking Leon but not really isnt a good argument for low Fe. Her development isnt about understanding the emotional state of the other or in relation to the other but rather the self. Even OG Resident Evil its stated that she struggles with her own values and emotional state . It's almost as if their argument hinges on ISTP=Spy characters. 

Case #6 Misogyny (yeah...we are going there). 

Often in typology you'll notice a dichotomy between Female characters vs Male characters. You'll notice that female characters are twice as likely to get typed as Feelers even when they dont show much usage of any feeling function. Often the arguments I see its in reference to either showing the character struggling emotionally or reacting in some way to something bad happening in their life. But when male characters such as Homelander and Patrick Bateman who have multiple emotional outburst in their runs but most people type them as Te doms. While Female characters that have emotional outburst such as Asuka and Jennifer Harding (Both Te doms) both get typed as ESFP because=SeFi=angry and emotional. It often happens in cases such as Bakugo who gets typed as an ESTP but if a female character does the same thing she gets typed as an ESFP. Im not calling you a misygonist  if you typed any of this characters like this I just think that you should reconsider your typology process. 

Ex-There are allot of these so I just gonna point to a few 

Alice Liddle (INTP) - Being typed as an INFP but very clear her struggle is between Ti-Si and understanding her Fe.

Nancy Wheeler (ESTJ)- Being nice=/=Fe she has always preferred TeSi (organizing and structuring things in step by step processes) Over using Fe. 

Madison Montgomery (ESTP)- Her character is pure SeTi and her struggle with her Fe is shown in both S3 and S8. 

Yenneffer (INTJ)- NiFi reaching the ideal self is her goal also her Te is very on your face. 

Part 2 will focus on the enneagram 

Please dont take any of this as an attack its an analysis on things ive seen and read if you are gonna disagree please be civil. 

[mbti-notes]

Anon wrote: hello! so, for the longest while, i was convinced that i was an infp. but, very recently, i realised that the struggles that i was going through, the problems that were coming up repeatedly, seemed to be more indicative of ne-te loop. i didn't actually get very far with the function development guide once I'd determined myself to be an infp btw. life kinda got in the way.

anyway, this realisation prompted me to delve back into your type theory guide. for the past week or so, I've been going through it in detail with a clear mind, considering every single type as a possibility and rejecting them one by one according to the evidence I'm typing up. I'm still about midway through the inf functions in the proper procedure that I'm following, but i've skimmed that entire post and others, because there's a couple of questions that's been bugging me throughout.

I've more or less narrowed myself down to an xnfp, although like i said, I'm still open to considering other types as well. what I'm mostly stuck with is the following:

1. how is an enfp's ne-te loop going to look in contrast to an infp's te grip?

2. how is an infp's fi-si loop going to look in contrast to an enfp's si grip?

i understand that, of course, every person is a unique example of their type. but I've been stuck with these two points, since i couldn't find anything on your blog related to how a specific tert function's loop looks in tandem with the type's corresponding dom function. like, i know what te-loop looks like, but i don't know how it would work with ne dom. i suspect where i might have gone wrong with typing myself (if i was mistaken, like i said, i am still going through the theory guide intensively), was misidentifying si grip as fi-si loop.

if you do have any past posts that I've missed, I'd appreciate you redirecting me to them. and i hope my doubt is clear, and that you'll be able to help me out. thank you!

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As far as I can tell, there are several issues to address:

1) Overemphasis on how functions "look": This usually means you're too focused on outward behavior (superficial) and not really understanding how functions operate inside the mind (fundamentals). Until you are able to draw a proper distinction between cognition and behavior (which is the first major principle that I teach in the Function Theory guide), your focus will likely be misplaced on the what and then missing the why. Asking "what does my Te look like?" won't get you as far as asking "WHY do I use Te in this way?" Basically, you're not going deep enough.

2) Not accounting for Function Dynamics: Newbies often get stuck on viewing functions in isolation, which exacerbates problem #1 above. Once your learning becomes more advanced, you'll understand that functions are dynamic and intertwined. For instance, tertiary loop and inferior grip are very different because the function interactions that produce them are very different:

- Tertiary loop arises due to a unique relationship to i) dominant dysfunction, specifically dominant immaturity, and ii) auxiliary underdevelopment, specifically auxiliary resistance. Thus, evidence of tertiary loop must also include evidence of those two issues, which I have already included in the guide under the dominant and auxiliary function sections. These three parts must fit together properly.

- Inferior grip arises due to dominant dysfunction, specifically dominant extremes that create a troubling imbalance. One reason people find themselves in dominant extremes is because they're trying to force the function to work in unsuitable ways/situations, which causes escalating problems with stress, to the point of not being able to cope and adapt well. Thus, evidence of inferior grip must include i) evidence of dominant extremes, and ii) eventual loss of healthy dominant functioning, information which is already included in the inferior function section of the guide.

3) Not accounting for Type Dynamics: Type dynamics refers to the theory of the functional stack, of how the whole is more than just the sum of its parts. Each of the four functional stack positions serves a unique and specific purpose in your psychology with regard to what the ego needs and wants, which is briefly explained in the beginning of each stack position section, as well as the type dynamics section of the Type Dev guide.

For example, the proper purpose of the tertiary function is to complement and temper the auxiliary function. However, tertiary loop means that this healthy dynamic is altered and the tertiary function is being misused for a different and more nefarious purpose of propping up a failing dominant function.

This goes back to point #1 above of not grasping the "WHY" - what is the purpose of each function in the mind? It's very important to ask yourself WHY you are using the function in that particular way, in relation to the other functions. To what end or to what purpose is the behavior meant to serve?

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It looks like all the information you need is already included in the study guides, so perhaps you have only been picking out some superficial points about the "look" of functions and ignoring the more important theoretical concepts that would help you understand WHY functions look a particular way. The problem with not reading the guide all the way through to full understanding before you start doing the hard work of analyzing yourself is that you won't see the bigger picture of how all the parts are meant to fit together.

Psychology is complicated, so function theory isn't exactly easy to learn. There are many levels of comprehension and you're still at the beginner level. It's certainly not a crime to be a beginner, since we all have to start somewhere. However, don't sabotage yourself with poor learning methods such as disorderly/unfocused reading, taking shortcuts, or thinking that the "gist" equals complete knowledge - these are common learning obstacles for NPs.

[funkymbtifiction]

I have noticed that it’s very obvioux to me when ETPs in my life enter their early 20s and their Fe starts to “come online” (maybe because Fe is in itself a pretty loud function? Also one which “worries in public” a lot, so the pains of development are more outward than with other functions.)

What does it look like for tertiary Ne to “come online?” And if you have the inclination/time, what does tertiary function development look like for all the functions?

Coming online, tert functions:

Ne - suddenly being excited about new ideas, changes in their life, theoretical things, brainstorming with people, future possibilities

Ni - suddenly excited about their future plans, diving into things, deeper understanding, more introspection, looking beneath the surface

Se - suddenly becoming impulsive, wanting to be hands-on and learn in person rather than study it impersonally, get their hands dirty, spontaneous, hedonism / pleasure in the “good things of life”

Si - suddenly seeing details as important and valuable rather than a pain, not wanting change, settling into routines that work for them, collecting information, learning things carefully instead of ignoring half the instructions

Fe - suddenly caring what people think about them, people-pleasing, wanting better relationships, seeking praise and attention and to make others happy

Fi - suddenly learning to prioritize and dig deeper into their feelings, listen to them and factor them into decisions, being aware of their principles and being able to process their emotions more easily

Te - suddenly caring about finishing things, being organized, making more money, figuring out the most effective way of doing things, backing up their arguments with facts

Ti - suddenly caring about how things work, understanding them from the inside out, figuring out or developing their own systems and hacks to make life easier

[tigreblvnc]

Okay so I’ve looked into cognitive functions (specifically jungian typology and socionics) and I think I might know why I don’t exactly fit into the mbti type.

Here’s what I found based on some personal observations/investigations and tests of it:

dom: Ti

aux: Ni

tert: Si

inf: Fi

So basically, all of my functions have an introverted attitude which is kinda insane. This makes it practically impossible to match my cognitive functions to any standard mbti (compared to the typical extroverted aux and inf) or any standard socionics types.

In socionics, the most roughly corresponding one was is ILI (Ni-Ti-Se-Fe) - which is loosely equivalent to INTJ in mbti. Other close ones were LII (INTP, Ti-Ne-Si-Fe), SLI(ISTP, Ti-Se-Ni-Fe), LSI(ISTJ, Si-Te-Fi-Ne). But none of these actually match my exact cognitive stack.

I don’t know if something went wrong during my study or I was misguided because usually, it’s theoretically possible to have all introverted attitudes it is also extremely rare. Jungian psychology and MBTI assume that people need a balance between interacting with the external world (extraversion) and processing their internal world (introversion) so having only one attitude disrupts this balance - this means I’m very cognitively imbalanced and atypical from a jungian point of view (which is true to be fair, from my neurological context).

What are your thoughts on this?

In general, I don't recommend studying two different models at the same time, as you'll likely be tempted to find exact correspondences between them. You can't, because the models are constructed differently. It's similar to learning two languages at once, even if they share the same roots; each has evolved differently, and mixing them could lead to confusion with the specific features of each.

From your questions, I assume you're new to MBTI. So, I suggest setting socionics aside for now and studying it only after you’ve mastered MBTI on its own. Once you’re comfortable with MBTI, you’ll be better able to make proper distinctions between the two. Remember that while these models can complement each other, they aren't directly comparable or designed to offer exact type translations. For example, the INTJ in the MBTI isn't exactly the INTj in socionics, and vice versa.

That being said. Regarding your results, I think it's safe to lean toward an introverted type. When you take a test, you may not be entirely objective and might focus on specific moments in your life rather than looking at the bigger picture. This means you could, consciously or not, select memorable instances you went through, instead of reflecting on your general way of functioning over your whole life. That's why asking people who know you well can be more helpful than relying solely on self-assessment.

In conclusion: I advise you to read each MBTI type carefully and proceed by elimination. Rule out those that you are sure do not match you. When you have the remaining profiles: use cognitive functions to find your two dominants.

Related answer:

Can one have 3 different MBTIs at the same time?

[windudemon]

why 8th function should be much better than 7th

when i say 8th i mean si for intj and when i say 7th fe for intj.

what makes 7th function special? why it’s blindspot? why 8th function is not also very blindspotish? if this is about repression, how come intj’s te repress fe HARDER than their ni repressing si? is that even the case?

when this question asked, people will tell you “well, ni and si are both introverted perceiving functions so si is not alien to intj”.

funny thing is this line of logic can be applied to intj’s te too. “te and fe are both extraverted judging functions, they are more practical and general and heuristic”. how come this te auxiliary type, who understand the value of being practical and blabla, is not practical at all when it comes to fe?

BECAUSE there are layers to repression mechanic. yes, te of intj represses fe but fi of intj represses it much harder!

now you will say, “but intj’s se should also repress si much harder so equation doesn’t change, there are layers there too.” there’s one more layer though: all introverts and their introverted functions are bolder than their extraverted ones. so intjs fi is bold, edgy, individualistic, opinionated WHILE their se is cautious and cooperative and accepting.

naturally therefore a cautious and cooperative se won’t repress si hard but intj’s fi will destroy fe with every action.

there’s also producing/accepting dichotomy in socionics. for all types, not just intj, blindspots aka polr accepts informations which btw the word accepting absolutely doesn’t mean “yielding” to information. then tertiary function for all types is a producing function.

so intj receives/accepts with their fe: “oh you want me to behave, you want me to be politically correct, i see!” then with their tert fi they go: “fuuuck your political correctness, here are MY values, here are MY thoughts”

meanwhile, all types and their inferior function accepts information while their 8th function produces. so when intj realizes an se thing must be done, they produce an si solution for it. so they take their time, acclimate to the situation, “feel things out”, follow a gradual path as opposed to some entj or estp ka-booming. obviously though, their si still gonna be weak. they might take too long to prepare or they can miscalculate the complexity of si preperation. nevertheless, they are trying with si while they don’t, at all, with fe, due to the fi dominance over it.

[trilobi-te]

Otto (pre-orb) and Cider circa the late 80s/early 90s? I haven't put together a timeline. Someone get this man a hairbrush please. Mm I am annoyed because Otto is my favorite character (along with Cider) and I cannot draw him in orb form to save my life. Why is he so difficult to draw. This whole concept was funnier in my head.. oh well

Transcriptions below the cut. Also I must infodump about Chipspeech characters' MBTI so that too.

Otto: This human form is limiting Cider: Otto please calm tf down

Okay it's MBTI time. I go from fandom to fandom finding the weird scientist characters and then I observe them with my little autistic eyeballs. The fact that both Cider (ESTJ) and Otto (INTJ) are high Te makes me (also high Te) very happi because usually scientist characters end up being high Ti. Cider especially because I often find xSTJ science-related characters to be unlikeable and he is decidedly not. I am an ESTJ-adjacent creature and I must scream

My opinions on Chipspeech characters' types: Cider: ESTJ (TeSiNeFi) Otto: INTJ (NiTeFiSe) Dandy: ESTP (SeTiFeNi) Dee: ISFJ (SiFeTiNe) Vosim: xxFJ (high Fe) Bert: ExTP (aux Ti, tert Fe) Rotten: ENFJ (FeNiSeTi) Spencer: ESFP (SeFiTeNi) Lady Parsec: ENTJ (TeNiSeFi) Sam: idk man, probably on the Ni-Se axis Pedro: ESFP (SeFiTeNi) Voder: ISTJ? Maybe? Definitely somewhere on Te-Fi and I think Si-Ne but I'm open to being wrong. Terminal: ESTJ? He's said his personality is low priority in his system and it's not always running, so idk if he's even really typeable.

One day I might make a post with an in-depth analysis of each character's cognitive functions because every fandom needs a typology nerd that everyone else politely ignores but that'll have to wait until I can actually figure out everyone's stacks in full.

Also obligatory PSA: if you want to take an MBTI test that has a pretty good likelihood of typing you correctly, the best one out there imo is Mistype Investigator, or Jung's Igloo if you want results that are easier to read. 16Personalities is not actually MBTI (Neris is closer to Big 5), and Sakinorva and Keys2Cognition both tend to overestimate Ne so probably avoid them. MBTI is not real science but it's fun to apply to fictional characters, just don't take it too seriously. I feel the need to say all of this because I've had problems in the past where this information would have been useful to have, maybe it'll help someone else. Idk

[amai-no-ura]

Sousou no Frieren typology

Frieren - INTP 5w6 sp/so Double Bird

The conflict between her and Serie is basically Ti-Te clash. Her way of approaching a magic is also very typical of Ti-user. To her, magic is about studying and discovery. A Te-user wouldn't see it that way. Look at Serie and Fern, magic is fun and they both love magic. But they still focus more on utility than just the understanding.

The story is about Frieren developing Fe-inferior. Learning to connect to people, to put herself in other people's shoes, to uphold values of people who she holds dear (Himmel, Hero's Party and Fern). She became more emotionally open as the series progress (look at her expression in ep 1 and ep 28, it's night and day).

Fern - ISTJ 1w9 sp/so Lion-Bird

An adorable prude who's very pragmatic and efficient. Her fighting style sums up strong Te-user approaches to fighting. Using the most effective mean to fight. It doesn't look fancy but it's pure brutal efficiency.

I do practice martial arts and my approach is similar to Fern. She only uses 2 spells - barrier and Zoltraak (basic offensive magic). It's similar to my approach to martial arts. Just master the basic and knock people out fast. You don't need anything fancy, really. The basic is usually more than enough, if you master it.

Stark - ESFP 6w7 so/sp Badger-Lion

Adorable labrador. Nothing to elaborate, he is the easiest to type.

Himmel - ENFJ 2w3 so/sp Double Badger

This is the man. A role model for me.

Eisen - ISTP 6w5 sp/so Double Badger

He is a little hard to type, but we see consistently throughout the series and manga that he is a head type. Fear is his driving force and he is an attachment type, so 6-core.

Heiter - ENTP 7w6 so/sp Lion-Snake

Sly old fox. He grows up becoming a dependable and upright old man (with a touch of playfulness) showing healthy line of 7-1. But he never lost his playfulness and inner brat.

Serie - ENTJ 8w9 sp/so Lion-Bird

Serie is the epitome of Te-dom. Her mindset is pure utilitarian. Magic is a tool for killing. She loves magic and advancement in magic study is all she wants. However, unlike Frieren, it's not just about understanding but about application. She is pretty hands-off but when need arises, she will get her hands dirty (and loves doing it) showing grittiness of Se-tert and 8. She is pretty withdrawn though owing to her 9-wing.

Flamme - INFJ 6w7 so/sp

Flamme is all about Ni. She knows exactly when and how Frieren will fuck up and plans ahead ... for millenia. She understands Frieren well enough to see where she will go. Flamme shows good usage of balanced Fe-Ti. Fe-Ti are tools to her (unlike Himmel), so she can detach herself more. She understands the culture and mindset of demons and exploits it hard (Fe-Ti working together). Her method is underhanded but pragmatic. She is an obvious head type. Her reasoning and tactics came from the head (analysis) rather than the gut (instinct).

Denken - ESTJ 3w2 sp/so

Denken is a good example of healthy and mature ESTJ and 3w2. He is very pragmatic and strategic but not callous. He is aware of his own standing and isn't afraid to assert himself but also cooperative and levelheaded. We must remember that Denken is an old man at this point. He is an example of a 3w2 integrating to incorporate good aspect of 6w5 (cooperation, genuineness, tactical thinking and a sense of duty).

He used to be stereotypical ESTJ 3 - cutthroat, ambitious to a fault and cold. But the death of his wife and the situation of his hometown shapes him into a wise old man.

Ubel - ESTP 7w8 sp/so

Why do people think she is Ne-dom. She is all about sensory experience in the here and now. That's Se-dom.

[indepth-mbti]

do you think writer's dominant functions can he seen from their writings? and do you have any recommendations of books that has, like, perhaps a Ti dom fragrance to it?

This is a pretty interesting topic, so I prepared a long answer. I want to thank you for asking me this because your question inspired me to do an instagram post about each MBTI type as a writer.

Yes, functions show in the writing style of an author, but I wouldn’t say that the dominant function is the only one that shows. Many writers have a clear style influenced by their dominant function, but then the inferior function manifests as the underlying “obstacle” of the plot. Sometimes you can even see a clear dom/aux or dom/tert tandem in some authors.

Some things that can define the functions in the writing style, the theme or the plot of a novel, as well as some examples of authors for each function. Hope you find it insightful:

Ne writer (example - George R.R. Martin or Oscar Wilde)

They usually like to play with multiple points of view, with an experimental writing style. The plot usually entails a lot of exploration, and they like open endings and unexpected turns. Ne users enjoy alternate realities as they can explore the possibilities their Ne likes to generate. Ne authors have a strong tendency to ramble and they struggle to keep the central point of the plot (the typical problem of xNxP to get to the point); that’s why many Ne users get lost into subplots.

Ni writer ( example – Mary Shelley or CS Lewis)

Ni authors like foreshadowing and building up a nuclear ideal through all the novel that will end up being the high concept needed to understand the novel. They like to write interconnections and philosophical/transgressive works. Ni users differ from Ne user in that they like to take a specific idea, image or concept and make the discussion all around this single topic. Many Ni novels are translating real-life issues (Se) to an abstract and subjective imagery (Ni). Ni authors like to create an underlying system that ties everything together through one “essence” (this is more usual in NiTi users)

Si writer (example – Emile Zola or Agatha Christie)

Si authors have that mix between being extremely self-referential and extremely realistic in their descriptions, but that’s also why they’re the best world-builders. Many Si authors use a nostalgic undertone to create their detailed recollections. They tend to be super good researchers, and their novels always have a reference to the real world with which they feel bonded – they focus on things that are specific to their interests. Si authors usually follow the same pattern through all their novels.

Se writer (example – Hemingway or Conan Doyle)

Se authors enjoy a direct and straight-forward style; they’re good at building narratives that are based on physical evidence and amusing characters. Their descriptions are on point, and they don’t have unnecessary assets, even if the descriptions are long and detailed. Se authors focus on what’s happening around the characters and are specially skilled at setting up a very good environment – they usually use short sentences, although this may depend on the literary movement/genre of the Se author.

Te writer (example – Jack London or Aristotle)

Te authors are super structured both at conducting the plot and at explaining the ideas they want to talk about. I’ve noticed that many Te authors are drawn towards writing plots about politics, success, and characters that overcome unfavoured situations. They usually focus on powerful and realistic stories, in which the characters are constructed around a powerful decision making and achieving a certain goal that will led them to success. They also like to make an acid criticism to their social/political situation.

Ti writer (example – Lovecraft or Stephen King)

Ti users usually focus on dissecting certain ideas through offering wisdom and understanding them, using personal archetypes to make sarcastic but precise takes on their personal opinions. That’s why many Ti authors enjoy writing about puzzles, mysteries, or weird/dark topics that interconnect their own subjectivity. I find many Ti authors to get lost into creepy details and they also like stoic characters, putting priority into coherence and congruency before giving life to their own characters (you can find Stephen King always making the same kind of main characters.)

Fe writer (example – Goethe)

Fe writers usually focus on relationships and humanity, even if it sounds like a cliché and stereotypical. Fe authors probably made the most coherent and consistent characters in terms of decision-making, as they focus on entanglements and the intensity of the relationships between the characters. They also like their novels to have a pretty solid moral standing, and they usually create their characters as symbols, making abstractions out of them.

Fi writer (example – Orwell or Kafka)

Fi authors have a preference for writing characters that go through a self-development journey, always focused on knowing the self and solving their inner turmoil. They focus on giving depth to the main character, and all the novels go around their personalized POV of the world: all the plot usually goes around the main character and their journey. The novels are probably full of self-inserts. Fi authors have a strong desire to investigate the self/the human mind through their novels.

[subconsciousmysteries]

Enneagram + MBTI

Based on my own theoretical insight. Do not trust surveys taken by people who typed themselves. I can guarantee you that at least 50% of them later realized they were "mistyped".

When I write "possibly" it means I have my doubts that this is possible, but do not rule it out.

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Type 8 - All high Se types (xSxP), Te-doms (ExTJ), sometimes ExFJ, ISTJ. Possibly ENxP or ISFJ Type 9 - Fi-doms (IxFP), Aux Se types (ISxP), high Si types (ISxJ). sometimes ESxP. Possibly ESxJ, ENxP or INxJ Type 1 - Most commonly aux Je. But can be all high Pi and Je types (xxxJs), sometimes xNxPs, possibly ISFPs

Type 2 - High F types (all xxFx). Very hard to imagine a 2 core with a low feeling function. Some people believe Te 2s exist which I am exploring. Type 3 - High Te types (all xxTJ), xSTPs. Sometimes ExFxs and IxFJs Type 4 - xNFJ, ISFJ. Some INTJ, ESFJ, ISFP, some xNxPs, possibly ESFP

Type 5 - All IxTx types. Some INFx types. ENTPs. Possibly Te-doms (ExTJ), ISFJs, ENFPs too Type 6 - All types. But most commonly: Tert Tes (ExFP), Introverted feelers (IxFx) Type 7 - Pe-dom types (ExxPs), Je-dom types (ExxJ), ISTPs, possibly IxFx. Might be another “all types” like 6.

[rainytypology]

ATEEZ Mingi MBTI Analysis

- ESFP -

An in-depth analysis of an idol's MBTI type. Based on my opinion and observations, may change later. Not an expert.

Also happy birthday to this lovely man :)

ESFP (Se - Fi - Te - Ni)

Dom: Se (Extroverted Sensing)

A perceiving function that uses our 5 senses to process the external world.

Snippet from his September Singles interview:

I debuted to show people my dance and vocals. But it is true that I hadn’t thought too deeply about how celebrities are expected to be more responsible and lead flawless lifestyles. I’ve always wanted to live as free as a bird, so these expectations felt like a huge burden at one point. But now I think they’re good for me. Having to live up to so many expectations means I have so much room for improvement at all times.

As Se is a present minded function, it seems like Mingi usually makes decisions on a whim - he didn't fully think about the problems of celebrity life as he was only focused on being a performer. He just jumped into it. Se can be prone to being impulsive as it's often a "just do it" mindset.

When writing songs, Mingi takes inspiration from his current surroundings. He talks about it in their little interview with Jonathan, how he gets inspired from what he sees on the streets.

Mingi, who explains his process of cataloguing his many thoughts to later draw from. “I write down a lot of them as memos on my phone, so I always go back to them to see if they match what we’re going through (as a group); that’s how I write my lyrics,” he says. “Sometimes I’ll think of it as writing a script, to really get into that persona." - i-D vice interview

Aux: Fi (Introverted Feeling)

A judging function that uses one's own values and belief to compare and make choices

Similar to Fi dom San, Mingi has a focus on being genuine as well. He wants a certain image for himself and puts in effort to build that image (fashion, the way he writes music). He only cares about his own perception of himself and wishes for others to have the mindset as well.

Mingi's always been a free spirit, but his longing for authentic self expression clashed with having to conform to idol standards. This likely caused an internal self conflict within Mingi. During his hiatus, he mentioned taking the time to have deep reflection on himself and wanting to be himself more, wanting to be better. High Fi users often want to work on expressing themselves authentically, wanting to be their most honest and best selves.

Tert: Te (Extroverted Thinking)

A judging function that uses established facts and systems to make objective, working decisions.

Mingi has stated he likes to gain new experiences as they can serve as some sort of life lesson. A bit of a mix of Se - Te statement though; Se likes experiences and he is able to put these lessons to use (Te).

Inf: Ni (Introverted Intuition)

A perceiving function that uses one's own personal insights and ideas

He seems to have some decent use of Ni - he has been planning his career and goals since he was a teenager and has successfully reached those goals. Still it is inferior as most of his choices have mainly been spontaneous. However, he's still glad of the way things turned out for him in the end.

I would also like to think Ni helped Mingi with his self reflection during his hiatus. Se doms can use their inferior Ni to search inside themselves to see what they truly want in life.

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Why he's not an ENTP (Ne - Ti - Fe - Si)

I do not see Ne dominance in Mingi or any Ne usage in him in general. Comparing him to actual Ne users Yeosang (INTP) and Yunho (I'm currently unsure if he's an ENTP or ESFJ. That Ne - Fe is strong in him tho), even to inferior Ne types like Hwa (ISFJ) and Jongho (ISTJ)... I do not see it strong enough in Mingi for him to be typed as an ENTP or any Ne type.

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Other analysis:

Enneagram | Birth chart

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