#seriously SO MUCH SHIT happened in this episode
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oooooofk ok I watched fan letter and I got so many thoughts rn.
I love how you can just tell that this was directed and written by people who grew up loving one piece. I love that the main character was a girl who idolized nami. I dunno it just feels so much more personal than if it was a boy who looked up to luffy (or god forbid a guy who was horny for nami like in the novel this short loosely adapted). Just looking up to this person not for their strength but for what they represent, for how much their accomplishment inpires you. Especially when it's in an environment filled with men. I know I'm not a woman so I can't speak for anyone but I definitely can tell this was relatable to a lot of women who grew up watching one piece and looked up to nami
And oh my god the Marine who was indirectly saved by luffy. This shit made the summit war look terrifying my god. Just seeing all the normal people who get crushed by every attack. It really does feel kind of crazy to think that luffy had such a profound influence on this man's life when he just so happened to be on the same island as him on one specific day. Or how nami simply existing serves as a daily inspiration for the girl. It's such a moving message, how your accomplishments can change and shape the lives of people you won't even know existed. Even if nami will never get the girls letter, she managed changed her life for the better whether she knows it or not
And also it's just really funny. I love the guys in the bar just dunking on zoro and sanji lmao. Or the marine who is just so in love with chopper (same, dude). And all the little cameos oughh. Thank you usopp for helping that girl for no reason. That's why you're the goat. Ouurggh and perona oh my gahhh. Dude and the animation my lord man. Absolutely wonderful short. Seriously, quit stretching the contents of the manga out for the anime, just gimme more filler if it's on the quality of this episode holy
#One piece#Op#Op anime#one piece anime#Anime#anime and manga#animation#one piece fan letter#Animated short#Nami#cat burglar nami#one piece nami#op nami#straw hat pirates#straw hat crew#straw hats#one piece luffy#luffy#monkey d luffy#straw hat luffy#monkey d. luffy#strawhats#ramble#rambling
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the blame falls on jayce's shoulders because he's the one that combined viktor with the hexcore at the beginning of season 2! and then when he comes and then tells jayve he's going to leave, jayce is going to say "i never asked for this" YOU were the one that combined the hexcore with viktor. i know they're both victims but the way people try and act like viktor wasn't being manipulated by the hexcore this entire time annoy me so bad, especially the comments about it i see on tiktok.
Alright anon, I generally agree with you and I am very exasperated with Jayce for blowing a hole in Viktor’s chest, but as with all things. Nuance.
Firstly, regarding Jayce combing Viktor with the Hexcore; there is no way in hell Jayce could’ve known what was going to come of that. Which, obviously, means maybe he shouldn’t have done it if he didn’t know the outcome, but also the second the Hexcore registered that Viktor was in the room, it started gravitating towards him. Jayce tried to hold it back with those tongs and it was stronger than him. I give him grace for that whole situation because desperation and adrenaline are some insane fucking drugs and also because the moment Viktor was back in that lab, his fate was sealed, regardless of Jayce coming into contact with the Hexcore or not. Firmly believe that even if Jayce had set him there and left to go find help, he would’ve come back to find that the Hexcore had merged with Viktor anyway. I think it’s also worth noting that Viktor started this process on his own in Season 1. Viktor was the one who chose to feed the Hexcore his blood and Shimmer, though yes, he was doing so out of desperation. But still, that was his choice, not Jayce’s.
Secondly, about Viktor being manipulated by the Hexcore; absolutely! I 1000% agree with that. I do not think that whatever is appearing to him as Sky is actually Sky, that is Something Else, in a way that’s very parallel to the fake Kino we saw with Mel in episode 5! Viktor does not have the full picture of what he’s been doing with the Arcane and we only have a handful more tiny pieces than he does!
And third, on whatever Jayce saw in his missing time; I am getting the feeling that he witnessed/lived through multiple alternate timelines in which things went Very Wrong, likely at the hands of a heavily corrupted and possessed Viktor, who Jayce could not bring himself to kill. That’s why he’s so adamant about not failing again. I don’t think this perception is 100% accurate to the state of things in the core timeline, but I also don’t think Jayce’s perception of the Arcane as whole is entirely accurate. He’s been exposed to the worst of it, the mind-rending and reality-shredding horrifying potential it contains, whereas Viktor has only been exposed to the best parts of it, the good it can do (even if that’s not exactly what’s happening with him in reality). We don’t know exactly how long is between Act 1 and Act 2 this time around, probably a handful of months, but I am very much willing to bet that Jayce was gone for a lot longer than that from his perspective and came back not only with run-of-the-mill PTSD (as to be expected) but also some seriously magically inflicted psychic damage. I don’t think Salo!Viktor was being metaphorical when he said that the Arcane took Jayce’s mind. His perception of reality has been irreparably altered and I wonder if it’s part due to the lack of this alteration that led to him potentially sparing alternate timeline Viktors who otherwise should’ve died. He almost killed a child, again. Something isn’t right when it comes to both him and Viktor.
Jayce is to blame for a whole lot—the entire end of episode 6, obviously—but I don’t blame him for Viktor’s initial transformation. Whatever comes next, however, does fall on his shoulders. That I won’t dispute for a second, though there is without a doubt more going on there and I am SO excited to see what’s going on behind the curtain with all the weird magic shit.
#this got long lmao sorry#I have. so many thoughts about these boys#arcane is a show with so many layers and so much nuance#no one is Good or Bad (except maybe Ambessa lmao though she is FASCINATING to watch be evil)#arcane#arcane spoilers#jayce talis#viktor#Jayvik#Quinn answers
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arcane season 2 ending spoilers!!! scroll past if you wanna save yourself! seriously it's so much better if you watch it completely blind.
here we go!!! turn back now!!!
so. oh my god. that was the most beautiful thing i've ever seen.
my first reaction:
i think it's safe to say arcane is my favorite show ever. my favorite piece of media ever.
let's start with the very few flaws:
pacing was way too fast, but i think it's just because episodes were a lot shorter and we only got two seasons instead of the original five. it wouldve been better as five seasons. but oh my god it's still hella good
i think a couple issues aren't handled as well as they should've been, although it's not my place to speak on it. i'll probably talk about it later but for now i'll just say they could have handled jinx better.
i wish we could have seen their graves. the graves of isha and jinx and vi's parents, the graves of everyone she lost. i think it would have been a nice touch, and it would've made me start bawling so hard my head hurt. which is a good thing when it comes to arcane. this one's just a personal gripe though.
now with, um, everything else:
so uh caitvi lets GO? lets fucking go caitvi. also i did not think i'd like timebomb this much! it was so fucking cute! but then um yeah haha that happened
JAYVE AND VIKTOR ARE IN LOVE AND THEYRE COSMIC BEINGS DRIFTING THROUGH SPACE TOGETHER. OH MY GOD THAT SCENE EWS AMAZING. my jaw dropped in the viktor and jayce scene in ep9 and it did mot close until i said "no please no you can't do this to me". so yeah. the lost beautiful piece of animation i've ever fucking seen hands down.
i don't think anything can ever top this. you know when you read a fic so good you're like "no other fic will ever bring me this much joy?" yeah i'm that but with pieces of media in general.... like. arcane is the best thing to ever come on a screen, period. i'm not joking here this is objectively one of if not THE BEST PIECE OF CINEMA EVER. maybe i'm biased and arcane haters dont come after me but this show is so so special to me. i'll never forget it. i'll be on my deathbed as an old lady and someone will play Enemy by Imagine Dragons and i'll come back to life to rewatch arcane.
that's all for now. i'll articulate my thoughts better tomorrow but um yeah i guess it's over. holy shit. it's over.
#arcane#arcane season two#arcane s2#arcane season 2#arcane s2 spoilers#arcane season 2 spoilers#arcane rant#caitvi#jayvik#timebomb#waffles word wall#word walls#what else doni even tag#i'm a new person#i'll never be the same again
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This is going to be long but YES how the way Vivzepop and her crew handled angel SA and Valentino being a ra*pst is so fucking childish
She water down his character to be Valentino favorite fuck toy like seriously that’s all his character is we don’t even know nothing about angel besides being a abuse victim and a porn star
and DONT get me started on how much a shitshow episode 4 was it’s crazy how Vivzepop was arguing with SA victims for two days straight because they didn’t like the “good” representation in the episode that shit was borderline barely disguise fetish let’s be real
and then there’s Valentino manchild ass remember when we all thought he was going to be this serious villain? Well that never happens and all we got is some annoying ugly guy that doesn’t even come off as a actual abuser Valentino acts like a unfunny version of slickback from the boondocks it’s a mystery on how anyone can find him attractive
Is it just me or is Hazbin Hotel so damn childish
- corny ass edgy jokes that only a child would laugh at
- all of the villains are just evil for the sake of evil no depth once so ever
- Vaggie one of Adam’s top girls whose killed thousands of her people showed mercy towards a little boy cause that makes sense
- The morals in this show is Charlie’s right everyone else is wrong
- Angel being a stereotypical gay man that even a children’s show would scoff at.
- Lucifer the literal devil the king of hell has no bad qualities and sees the light of Charlie in one musical number
- song that are as deep as a fucking puddle, like bruh you can add a little bit of nuance to it so I think about the message a little bit
(trigger warning SA)
Do y’all think how they handled Angel’s SA situation with Valentino is childish?
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6x10 In a flash - some disjointed thoughts
Not me over here looking at all the posts on 6x10 screaming about the Buckleys being sus af and thinking ... well, if there’s coma!Buck then there’s presumably also decisions to be made about possibly taking someone off life support if a long enough time has passed and who’s got that decision making power of attorney and next of kin and WE THOUGHT THE GUARDIANSHIP BATTLE TO COME MIGHT BE ABOUT CHRIS AT SOME POINT DIDN’T WE BUT WHAT IF IT’S ABOUT BUCK. HUH?
WHAT IF THE BUCKLEYS SAY LET HIM GO? AND EDDIE IS LIKE NOT ON MY WATCH YOU MOTHERFU...
*Michael Jackson popcorn gif*
*rutger hauer dying in the rain gif*
sth sth OH MY GOD ALL THE BUCK WITH KIDS SCENES IN THIS EP. The fucking forshadowing. The fucking proof of how good a dad he is (and the whole firefam knows it because they just let him be the designated kid wrangler at the beach scene knowing he’ll do a good job keeping those kids from being even more traumatized, the way he cradles that baby boy in the car wreck but has absolutely no qualms giving him back over to Bobby because he has his basic trust in him instead of his own parents, the way he seems to be so mature and put together now on the donor issue but you just feel that there’s something brewing underneath the surface, I CAN’T I CAN’T I CAN’T).
Anyway, did I say I was normal about this? Oh I beg your pardon, normal? Don’t fucking know her.
#I was actually less impacted by the scene playing out than I thought#I think I might be on a delayed timer#seriously SO MUCH SHIT happened in this episode#but my brain just looked at the promo still of Chris at Buck's bedside and went the fuck OFF#Now I am unwell#911#911 fox#911 spoilers#6B#HAHAHAHAHAHA
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and they were singin', bye-bye Miss American Pie // american oldie i think kuwabara unironically listens to
(low effort lyric edit im queueing here in May cos im probably gonna forget it exists otherwise)
#qeued post#for June cos hey pride#the idea of kuwa seeing his friends in a holy almost godly light namely yusuke#and having them all leave unexpectedly#cos before that night at Genkai's i feel like it was solidified in kuwa's brain DESPITE the sidekick complex#DESPITE the fact that he's human and the least powerful member they are still decidedly a team#A team he has a place on. But then all suddenly springing this... YUSUKE springing this departure on him. shatters that belief#yusuke says he'll be back and it seems to make things better but even so kuwabara's face still looks so solemn when he leaves#Likely cos he knows yusuke is just saying shit and doesn't even know if it's possible to come back#this wasn't supposed to be a kuwameshi post it's really not but there's always that undertone when i talk about them so#He just admires them all so much yusuke above all others only to be left behind and that's gotta fuckin hurt#The way we don't see the resolution to this feeling. The lack of belonging the abandonment#next time we see him he's just supposed to be over it but we don't really know if it actually happened#So I like to play with the idea of like . Did he really like healthily accept things or#did he just repress it and deal. Cos like eng dub he tells yusuke ''forget all that stuff I said'' immediately taking back#his harsh words bc it's either stay mad stay upset or quickly forgive and move on cos this could be the last time. or even the jdub#where he doesn't even allow the vulnerability to show enough to trail off he just spouts the normal shit bc it's what they DO he immediatel#tries to get back to the normal dynamic and push himself to being fine with it right now bc he doesn't have the luxury of being upset#when it doesn't matter cos yusuke's leaving. the last thing he hears from him shouldnt be reckless shit he was saying when he lashed out#aka i dont think kuwa's feelings get seriously addressed enough and this episode haunts me cos of that very fact#Im not making any sense. Nico as my witness I swear I was more eloquent yapping to him about it#kuwabara kazuma#yu yu hakusho#kuwameshi
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Still thinking about this bc being a shitty teacher isn't the same as being evil and yet- *gets shot*
#Porter discourse bc good god if theres ever a character that I could write at length about their character assassination its him#Porter becoming comically evil for a bit I can handle but then the grooming being tacked on is like horrific in a way thats like.. okay#but why did that have to happen??#and I don't think brennan meant anything malicious by it y'know? it was more like 'hey! Emily would LOVE this & she'll still play fig!'#And yes the seeds were planted in sophomore year with the nightmare kings crown and Ragh#But we also saw how he was when working with other students and how much he cared for Ragh zelda and Fig like he was proud of his students#HE BECAME PROUD OF GORGUG#So to find out he was basically just grooming Kip is like- and then the seriousness of the grooming isnt addressed#its not handled with the level of seriousness like when the table realizes Bobby Dawn groomed Sandra Lynn#It's played as a bit and it feels like are we eating our cake and then having it too by making him a bumbling idiot in the finale when#he was shown as clever enough to fly under the radar except to fig who in the meta emily kept playing up the porter is evil bit bc no one#else believed it and it was funny to play up fig being extra sus of him#but then its also like okay we dont care about the grooming now also because it was kipperlily who they were beefing with- its just?#I wish the grooming never because part of it and I feel like thats the thing that bothers me about junior year and Porter specifically#AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH#Porter cliffbreaker#not main d20 tagging this bc i know I'll look fucking insane but I do think porter as the big bad couldve been cleaner and it made me lose#a little faith in the storytelling of FH and made me not want a senior year#it kinda turned me off from d20 like i just have been less interested and the last 3 episodes are a massive reason why#and now theres too much shit left hanging so its like.. we kinda need a senior year but its like.. ehh.
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Arcane, Season 2, Act 3
What
and I cannot stress this enough
the fuck!?
#seriously#what?#what!?#also where!?#and possibly how as well!?#that final episode#that ending#I cannot even begin#they got WEIRD with this#and I love it#I love it so much#but seriously#WHAT in the entire FUCK!?#I have so many questions#fortiche and rito y’all better answer them I want more of this you hear!#this is The Good Shit and I want moar of it in my eyeholes!!!!#seriously whoever decided to let the writers utterly break the League lore…#��and mash the shards together like tumblr users with jpegs needs a raise#oh also Vi and Cait have finally fucked that is a thing that canonically happens#they had hot sesbian lex in a prison cell and I am so incredibly here for it#arcane#arcane season 2#arcane season 2 act 3#arcane s2 spoilers
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romance dawn bubblegum-gum
#seriously he's SO stretchy here. idk if it's just bc the animation wasn't as good in east blue when he was doing it a lot more or what#would be nice to compare this to the more recently-animated arlong park where he does the finger net move#yeah i just rewatched that part of episode of east blue he is just animated wayyy more goopy in this special. the part where arlong yeets#him tho... that's pretty close. but i think the bubbles of flesh just outplay a lot of the episode of east blue stuff bc holy shit LOL#one piece#op#cruddy rambles#hmmmmm i put a tag inside a tag#sure i'll post that#let's see what happens#oh it just deletes the tag#okay noted#anyway i was saying. he feels so much goopier than east blue... thankfully we'll get a return to form soon LOL#happy 5 days remaining!!!!!#soon i'll stop rewatching all the filler and movies. only 5 days remain. soon.
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when i was 16 i spent a lot of my free time flipping back and forth between watching supernatural and investigation discovery shows about brutal horrible gruesome murders and i seriously think it did insurmountable damage to my brain i wish i could go back in time and grab that stupid bitch by the shoulders n give her a good shake
#i’m rewatching spn now but i have the Hardest time with empathy now i get way too scared/stressed/upset for pretty much everything#so it’s going really well!! lmfao#i hate how much i sound like twitter omg i’m an empath bitches but seriously i like imagine if i was in x terrible situation n get worked up#like if i was dean winchester i’d have been off the bridge in episode one personally#anyways i wish i could warn teenagers against this shit without sounding like a boomer#i just think avoiding viewing violence young is inarguably for the best idk#i know that’s kinda a moot point from someone who just said they’re watching the violence against marginalized people show. but. still.#i just think that fucked me up a lil!!! and now i’m like trying to work thru the anxiety by proving to my brain that it’s just tv#and nothing bad is happening or will happen. so that maybe i can participate in normal media culture again sometime#no one asked for this post but here it is <3 ok bye <3#posts
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#i find it funny that in these past few weeks i’ve seen people in the 911 fandom complain about some fans constantly being negative#or overly anxious or misogynistic#but i never see these opinions or know what made people complain sdfjmjkh#then i find out that what caused the anxiousness is something like#a new synopsis for the next episode or something else that doesn’t really tell us anything about what is going to happen#this has happened several times in the past MONTH#and i don’t get how some people have been able to get themselves so worked up over nothing that they’ve annoyed other people that much#then there are people complaining about people complaining#and then you might even get people complaining about people complaining about people complaining#HJADSFSFGMNF#then i get flashbacks to my 1d fandom days#i don’t know what my point in this was#just that i find it funny that no matter what fandom#there are always these same ’patterns’ in them and the same drama and even the same discourse#(1d voice) circles we’re going in circles#sdfjnnhn#no but seriously sometimes i feel like fandoms just repeat the same two conversations no matter what the original media is about#there’s just something funny about it to me how all fandoms are basically same#also i think my favorite phenomenom is people having fun and making shit posts#based on something really small someone once teased#and then some people get their hopes so far up#that when something they wanted doesn’t actually happen#they get so mad that they start hating the creators of the thing they’re fans of#even when it’s not their ’fault’ and they literally based their hopes on unhinged fandom theories#that were the result of several people having fun at 2am#btw i’m not saying any of this to say that i’m any better than anyone else#i do also complain (mostly in private) about people complaining#and i’m the clown who tries to fill the huge void inside myself with tv-shows so#anyway#we should all be studied like bugs
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It's okay OP you can say Alice Quinn
the way people treat girl characters in fandom joker-ifies me
#The Magicians#SERIOUSLY THERE IS SO MUCH ALICE HATE#FOR SUCH A BEAUTIFULLY PERFORMED AMAZINGLY LAYERED CHARACTER#and don't get me wrong Hale Appleman and Jason Ralph did great and the Queliot storyline/their performances#Are some of my favorites in the show#But GOD THE SHEER LEVEL OF HATE FOR ALICE QUINN#Olivia Taylor Dudley did NOT put her whole pussy into that character episode after episode for this level of disrespect#Best performance in the show imo#Hands down#The layers. Girls. The l a y e r s. The subtle facial acting. The constant holding back. Niffin Alice? Don't even get me started.#POST Niffin Alice? Holy shit! And she just gets more and more layered as the seasons pass and New Fuckening Happens#It's simply A Fact that if she were the exact same character but A Man these fans who proclaim their hatred would treat her differently#Margo is in a similar boat due to being (massive amount of quotes here) “bitchy” but I feel like shitty fans are more likely to just#Ignore her? Than march around with pitchforks and torches like they do Because Alice Did Something#The bitches MAKE WRONG DECISIONS AND FUCK UP AND ARE AEFUL SOMETIMES#THAT'S GOOD THATS HUMAN (and a little bit Niffin shh)#THAT'S NUANCED CHARACTER WRITING AND PERFORMANCE OH MY GGGGOOODDDDDD#I could yell about this for hours#To be honest#And you know? Alice isn't even my favorite character#I was Really not into her for the first two seasons or so of my first watchthrough#But like. I Understand. And when that moment of understanding came it was like. Shit. Wow. I haven't been giving this woman a fair shot.#She's multifaceted as hell and so is Margo and the way that they are respectively lambasted and treated as disposable by swathes of fans#Is really disappointing. Learn to love Messy Weird Women with a fraction of the fervor with which you worship Messy Weird Men.#Margo Hanson#Olivia Taylor Dudley#Summer Bishil#Alice Quinn#It's the internalized misogyny babes grow and learn
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how did breaking bad make an entire episode about a fly
AND WHY WAS IT SO GOOD
#finally watching the series for the first time#seriously. an episode about a fly. it's 48 minutes of walter and jesse trying to kill a fly#and somehow having both the funniest and most heartfelt conversations while doing it#it is like...the perfect breather episode#whenever i say something needs a breather in the future i'm gonna cite this episode as a good example#so much stressful shit is happening but just. relax. this is about a fly
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I'm starting to lose it with my fellow pjo book fans. Specifically about the pearls.
Have we lost the ability to think critically??? First of all,this is an adaptation,things are going to be different. Secondly, Percy has already had an instance (with the pen, albeit temporarily) of losing things, AND accidentally (with the spear) breaking things???
Literally the moment I saw four my first thought was "Well, one of those isn't making it to Hades."...... Like what??? And even if it does.... So what??? This is an adaptation. It's not going to be exactly like the books. Those fuckers are old. Not ancient but hey, times change and the next gen/People who didn't catch it the first time around deserve to be able to enjoy it the way we did.
Also, about the deadline shit:
This a.) Creates more tension cause now there is a war happening (which like.... I think is a cool element), And b.) It further cements these kids desire to do good and to be better than their parents. Which..... Yk..... Is kinda a major point in this story???
(specifically: they now have no real incentive to do this. They SHOULD just go home. But they actively choose 'No, we are better than this, and we can still fix it'. Hubris may not be their fatal flaw, but my god is it what makes them human, and what cements that they are still just kids! This is a great addition imo)
There needs to be tension. This will, Inevitably create it. There is still so much to go. And Rick is notorious for monkey wrenching shit. Hold fast y'all, for fucks sake.
Anyway, I personally loved episode six. I love the change in the deadline having passed, and the four pearls.... The lighting kinda sucked ass, and there weren't any super obvious cameos of the Di'Angelos but hey. It is what it is.
But seriously guys, let's think critically and not let our nostalgia cloud our judgement of this. Kill the cop in your head. Fr.
Edit (spoiler for ep 7): They lost a pearl. Shocker. I CALLED IT!!! Also this episode had way more changes than were- eh. But hey! Uncle Rick is evil and we love him anyway so really no big complaints still.
#pjo tv show#pjo series#pjo tv#pjo spoilers#pjo#pjo fandom#percy jackon and the olympians#percy jackson and the olympians#percy jackson#percy pjo#percy series#percy and annabeth#annabeth chase#annabeth pjo#sally jackson#spoilers#pjo stuff
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Ok. Dumb question incoming, but I'd much have a 'conversation' than try to read fanlore or watch video essays or something because I want to hear individual people's contributions.
Why Star Trek?
Don't get me wrong - I like the franchise! I'm not super duper familiar with it, but I do enjoy the bits and pieces that I do know. But I am wondering why that in particular is hailed as the grandmother of all fandoms? Obviously people were fannish before Trek, but I don't think anyone can deny the impact that OG Trekkies had on fic, zines, and eventually on the internet.
I know that it's always been popular and well-liked, but it's not as if there was NO SUCH THING as popular culture/fan culture before that (I mean, come on, the term "parasocial" predates the first Star Trek episode by 10 years!) . Was it just a perfect mix of timing + popularity + etc? Is there something in particular about ST that "hit different" than other series at the time? Or is the fandom really really just that mighty and it's almost "luck" in a way? I guess I'm wondering what particular dominoes cascaded in a line in order for Star Trek to have the impact on fandom that it does today.
or am I wrong? were there just-as-big fandoms before and I simply overhype Trekkie power in my head / happen to see more talk of that than I do of other fandoms? It could definitely be a social circle bias thing.
Ugh. Asking OTNF why Star Trek is so important to fandom history feels very much like asking a Russian History major why War & Peace is so important to literature - hence why I warned you that it'd be a dumb question! But I am just so damn curious what sort of crack was in early ST fandom that made it SO widespread and SO strong.
Like, I guess the TLDR is: what was particularly 'different' about Star Trek, either as a fandom or as a franchise or both, that made it Theeeeee OG fandom, rather than something, like, i dunno, LOTR or the earliest versions of Marvel/DC comics or General Hospital or something else like that?
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I await the hordes of angry Man from U.N.C.L.E. fans eager to prove that they were first.
And, no, it wasn't that popular. Hence the aggressive Save Our Show campaign and explosion of fan culture when it ended after three seasons.
Part of the answer to your question is that there were like three things on TV at the time. What big fandoms? 'Parasocial' was about non-subculture people feeling warmly towards news anchors or hosts of variety shows or something, wasn't it?
LOTR got rediscovered in the 60s or 70s from what I hear, but science fiction and fantasy books were for fringe weirdoes. SFF was not mainstream for the most part. There are a bunch of History of Book SF Fandom things on Youtube, and you should consult them on the complex role of LOTR in that space. LOTR wasn't a mainstream thing until there were live action movies a billion years later.
The key about Star Trek is that it was a hit with the pre-existing book SF crowd. They were an organized subculture. Some of their favorite writers wrote episodes. Other shit on TV was for people who did not form subcultures in that way. Other shit for SF fans had an audience 1/10,00th the size.
MFU was insanely popular. Illya Kuryakin was the heartthrob of a certain era of girl and inspired many a Russian major. (Seriously, there are soooo many Russia-boos of a certain age who probably still have a poster of him somewhere.) The actor set a record for fanmail. The show may have more influence on fandom history than we think now, but it also didn't rerun the way Trek did, at least in some eras, and it didn't have sequel series in a franchise. I'm always finding 2015 movie fans shocked that there's a still extant and semi-active fandom—or even shocked that the movie is based on something.
Starsky & Hutch was also hugely important and is the moment slash fandom and "Media Fandom" really split from book SF fandom. As Trek fans moved on to buddy cops, they were into a completely mainstream show but in a non-mainstream way. Trek was an awkward bedfellow at SF cons, but S&H just didn't fit at all.
Of course, while Trek is the grandma of AO3 type fandom, don't forget that a shitton of modern fans who are doing "research" just look at the same few sources. Enterprising Women is great and all, but even other fans of the same stuff are like "Oh, that was just X's friends. Where's [thing] and [thing] and [thing]?" Ditto Textual Poachers and the other scant early sources that people think have academic weight.
While Trek would still be central, the picture of what was going on in the late 60s-early 80s would look a bit different if you just found a bunch of 70-something nerds and asked them than if you regurgitate other people's research, you know?
If you want an idea of what else was going on in SF fandom back in the day, check out Galactic Journey, where they roleplay that it's 55 years ago and review SF things "as they come out".
If you want to understand MFU, here's a vid of Illya:
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What say you, readers?
What have acafandom and fandom history and meta left out?
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Hey, isn't it so..."Great" that Viv is out here liking posts that clearly find moments where Angel is being sexual with his rapist "Hot" How much more telling can this all get, right? We really sit here, having to explain how fucked up it is to take SA, try to tackle it "seriously" but then proceed to not even do it for that reason. Only for it to be for angst and goon material. How do you expect me to SIT HERE and take whatever Viv has to offer seriously? The number of people I have seen trying to justify this gross behavior is abysmal. If you have this kink or whatever, fine not like I can stop you, be into that shit somewhere else, but DO NOT try and TACKLE IT only for it to be not even seen as serious or as a way for you to get off to your sick fantasies.
Why the hell would you like this? "Angel with his abusive rapist boss😝, so hot guys! Can'tstop thinking about it!"
What good reason would Viv have in liking this post? Why do over 4k people find a post like this neat? "Oh they're fictional, it's gucci, stop bitching" wouldn't need to bitch if people didn't outright sexualize moments meant to tackle an irl fucking problem.
By the way, this person ships Angel and Valentino together. Their pinned tweet is legit sexual Val and Angel art. I wouldn't recommend attacking them regardless if you disagree with their ships and what they deem...ugh "hot."
Fair warning to I WILL be showing some of their arts and reblogs as evidence, so if you are not into that sort of thing (anything NSFW), I highly recommend scrolling past my post or past this section of it.
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I'm pretty sure Viv actively searches for this sort of thing on Twitter, like it's PAINFULLY obvious that she does. How you just so happen to like a post clear af lusting for this abusive relationship YOU CLAIMED to take seriously that ALSO happens to be from an account that ships the abuser with the victim? Gtfo with your two-faced shit, just say your find this hot instead of lying your absolute ass off. The audacity for some fans to go after one group of people for liking questionable stuff only to let other questionable things slide. Like homie, you can let rape slide, but draw the line for any other questionable thing? How's about you have that energy for EVERYTHING with your hypocritical asses. Ion wanna hear y'all stank ass make callouts if you're okay with a rapist being shipped with someone he actively harms in various ways.
And Viv
You say this entire sequence is meant to be uncomfortable, meant to not sugar-coat how awful this situation is, and supposedly have people who are victims/survivors themselves, yet here you are liking posts from people who do anything but take it seriously and even sexualize it. That's absolutely insane to me. And reminds me how you were drooling over some pins that glamorize the abuse Angel and supposedly Husk goes through, you know, the same character that COMPARED his abuse with Angel's.
Ah yes, let's downplay how horrible Angel's situation is further, shall we? Let's especially do it after adamantly arguing with other SA survivors who "haven't seen the episode yet" and need to shut up or don't watch 😃. Let's ignore the fact that Husk and Angel's situations STILL aren't comparable but it's still very odd to have pins on TWO situations taken seriously in the show. So do you actually view the situations seriously or not Viv???
God she's....actually fucking stupid and horrid.
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