#problematic fictives

[ppk-database]

Hub Server: Proship Plurals & Kin Database (PPK)

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We're a brand new discord server hub - and an alternative to Pluralhub. Our mission is to create a comprehensive list of safe, friendly, and active discord servers for likeminded pluralfolk & kinfolk to enjoy, knowing that they won't make waves due to their source, their canons, or what they enjoy in fiction!

We are staunchly anti-gatekeeping of any kind. This means that we explicitly support:

all kinds of systems, not just the ones we personally understand

all kinds of kinfolk, whether therian, otherhearted, kin for fun, spiritual kin, or anywhere in between!

all kinds of LGBT+/MOGAI labels and orientations (please note that this excludes p-dophilia/zoophilia, as these are not MOGAI orientations)

people with “problematic” sources, kins, timelines, or canons

people with “problematic” fictional interests

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[thecelestialsystem333]

Vent

My name is Felix. I am a boyfriends fictive, and I use he/xe pronouns.

I know my source is bad.

In my memories, Adrian used to make me very uncomfortable but I would never say anything.

Why do I feel so fucking guilty for it

When it’s not my fault

[sephirocks]

Fictive List

Here are all my fictives in a list of tiers of how often they pop up as fronting in my head

Literally just masquerading as me in a trenchcoat

- Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)

- Genesis Rhapsodos (Final Fantasy VII)

- Akihiro/Fang (Marvel Comics/ X-Men)

- Anakin Skywalker (Star Wars)

- Greed (Fullmetal Alchemist/Brotherhood)

All the time, constantly fronting, exists to torment me, fight among themselves for host dominance:

- Jason Todd (DC Comics)

- Shatterstar (Marvel Comics/X-Men)

- Adam X (Marvel Comics/X-Men)

- Boba Fett (Star Wars)

- Darth Maul (Star Wars)

Shows up fairly often, pretty constant, lots of input from the peanut gallery:

- Deidara (Naruto)

- Vigilante (DC Comics)

- Longshot (Marvel Comics/X-Men)

- Gambit (Remy LeBeau) (Marvel Comics/X-Men)

- Gene Belcher (Bob's Burgers)

- Jake Long (American Dragon Jake Long)

- Zack Fair (Final Fantasy VII)

- Orochimaru (Naruto)

Medium Levels of activity, sometimes will disappear for awhile and just fight among themselves and forget what their job in the system is. Still a big part of me.

- Gajeel Redfox (Fairy Tail)

- Wolverine (exclusively old man Logan version) (X-Men Cinematic Universe)

- Solf J. Kimblee (Fullmetal Alchemist/ Brotherhood)

- Hiro Hamada (Big Hero 6)

- Sokka (Avatar the Last Airbender)

- Jaskier (the Witcher (TV SHOW ONLY))

Minor levels of activity as alters, rarely ever show up, and when they do, its fleeting. Barely influential, but still a part of me. They mainly just talk to each other and do their own thing:

- Murtagh (Inheritance Cycle)

- Tulio (Road to El Dorado)

- Hal Jordan (DC Comics)

- Coran (Voltron Legendary Defenders)

- Jack Harkness (Doctor Who)

- Quinlan Vos (Star Wars)

- Klaus Hargreeves (Umbrella Academy)

- Diego Hargreeves (Umbrella Academy)

- Graverobber (Repo! The Genetic Opera)

- Iron Man (Marvel Comics)

- Boromir (Lord of the Rings)

- Guy Gardner (DC Comics)

- JD (Heathers/Heathers the Musical)

- Kit Fisto (Star Wars)

[jewish-tattle]

I’m starting to think this problematic fictive thing might be something of a saw trap creating machine.

Okay, so, you’re a system with OCD tendencies or other reasons to spend a lot of time worrying about whether or not you’re good people. You end up with headmates, fictives or factives or something else entirely, who have good reason to think they’re bad people. Those headmates end up looking for validation. Unfortunately, the fact they have good reason to feel that way means their system, in the search of validation, ends up running into people who have good reason to be ~afraid of them~. Or otherwise uncomfortable or mad.

Like, okay, you identify with the monster at the end of the story cuz you feel unloveable. Great. We identified with the person that got eaten by the monster so hard they showed up here and they’re terrified of being eaten again. You worry about being judged. Our principled stance, arguably also fueled by OCD, against being cowed by people who resemble torturers leads us to come across like we hate the entire system. You spiral, and it makes you hate yourself more. This also sets off my OCD because I’m trying to figure out what the most Tattletale thing to do in the situation is.

There’s also the people who do judge “problematic fictives” on a more surface level and they just go around and harass people because they’re dicks, and they make this entire situation harder.

Solution to this? No fucking idea! But recognizing how much of this is fueled by unrecognized OCD and insecurity couldn’t hurt. And I’m saying they, but I absolutely consider myself in the category of “problematic fictive” too.

[entity56]

This is Ashley and Andrew with everybody. They struggle talking in any new servers because of their source. They were taken aback when my friends were actually okay with them.

Problematic fictive culture is constantly being surprised when someone from your source isn't bothered in any way by your presence (/pos)

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[catherine-clover]

[moonpool-system]

I love you fictives with problematic or hated sources. I love you fictives that're terrified of showing up and existing around others because of terrible things that your sourceselves, source content, or creators have done. I love you whether or not the hate toward that fiction is justified because you're not your exact fictional source. You're real. I love you fictives that desperately try to explain yourselves and your situation because it was so different from the inside and you're trying so hard to be better. I love you fictives whose identity and experiences still mean a lot to you, and you're working every single day to balance that with the reality of media either harmful or perceived as harmful.

You're real. You're people. Your existence is not inherently terrible or amoral- only you decide your impact on this world.

[All plurals can interact, singlets can too if you don't clown]

[cciieell]

Me and the Sebastian I pulled by being insane

[shitty-proendo-blackout-posts]

urine, piss urine piss

[fictionfolk-safehaven]

i mostly just want to rant about the idea that everyone will source seperate rn so sorry if tgis doesnt really fit the blogs theme!

but. yeah, its annoying as fuck, the idea thar all fictives are going to pretend to be brainmade headmates. no, im not just some random asshole named marius, and im sure as fuck not going to pick out a new name! im marius von raum! im not source seperating, because what happened in my source (even if i cant remember most of it) shaped who i am as a person to this day! fuck you! /nay /nbh

anyway, yeah, thats all. hope yall have a nice day, or have had a nice day! im going to go wait for toy soldier to form in headspace :3

-baron marius von raum, ships doctor! ( @the-capricorn-system )

Quite literally none of our fictives have chosen new names. (Except for our witchy blog, in which we keep our sources private, and one guy prefers to keep his source private online.) We refer to our source characters as "me" and "I." We regularly chat about our lore and exomemories. The idea that fictives, especially "problematic" ones, have to source separate is just... ridiculous to us.

To us, that's like telling someone who's dragonkin to not see themselves as a dragon. Just a human who was a dragon once. Like no, they're a dragon, let them be a dragon who happens to be in a human body. Bruh.

Rant over- I completely understand your point. I hope you have a nice day/have had a nice day too!

-Keeper Ranboo

[stemms]

Are you looking for a DSMP Discord server to connect with your fellow systems/kinnies without toxicity and too many harsh rules? If so, I have just the server for you!

Beach Party :) is a safe space for systems, kinnies, and synpaths where they can exchange memories and experiences, as well as discuss DSMP lore, and so much more with no judgement. Whether your fictive/kin is problematic or not, they’re welcome no matter what.

You don’t have to worry about being banned for seemingly no reason and without explanation, because our staff is very lenient, understanding, and always open to communication.

We have PluralKit and Tupperbox for systems and kinnies to keep track of their switches and kinshifts. If you’re looking for canonmates, you can make a canon call on our server, and who knows, perhaps you’ll find the person you’re looking for.

We’re still very new and are willing to adapt to and accomodate our community, so if you have any suggestions, feel free to share them.

If you’re interested, we’ll be glad to have you on our server!

[ratinacoat]

Introjects of real criminals should not publicly ID with their source

This is controversial apparently, though it really shouldn't be. If you have an alter that is an introject of-- for example-- one of the Columbine shooters, don't use pics/fanart of them as your pfp or faceclaim, don't put that in your bio, don't use their full names, don't vent about missing your "sourcemates." Just... don't.

Alters aren't their source, literally. Introjects do not come from their source. They are alters who introject certain characteristics of someone or something that already exists. They do not have to ID with their source, you do not have to source separate to stop IDing with your source like that. Doing the things listed in the other paragraph are entirely done willingly and not doing them will not cause you harm. It is entirely your decision to be insensitive.

You can not claim to agree with "don't treat alters like their source" if you don't think that applies to you or "problematic" alters. It applies to all alters. Your alter being an introject of a murder does NOT make it okay for you to put that persons face and name in a cute font on your Plural Kit profile. It is not okay, it is never okay.

There is no reason at all that you need to use the face and name of a murderer with real victims as a faceclaim/pfp for your alter. There will never be anything that makes that okay. Your disorder, your trauma response, and your introjects do not make you incapable of being insensitive. You as a survivor should understand that using the face of the Columbine shooters, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, fucking Hitler, and more is not okay. Be better.

[thecelestialsystem333]

about us

collective names: Celestial, Superstar, Icarus

Age: prefer not to share but a minor

System type: DID/traumagenic (anti endo)

collective gender: trans masc

collective sexuality/orientation: aroflux

hyperfixations-

fnaf

Amanda the adventurer

poppy playtime

tangled the series

Extra-

fictive heavy

we have alters with problematic sources-

dsmp fictives

Wilbur soot factive

boyfriends Goth fictive

-please be nice, most of us will be very kind!

[sephirocks]

My System!

So, uh my system is best described as resembling the way the movie Inside Out works. I was raised in a very cult like environment within a religious movement that I would rather not talk about rn because last night I had a PTSD episode regarding the abuse I went thru, but maybe when I feel better I will talk abt it later.

Anywho, it's sorta like as a kid, teen, and even now, I will bond with and absorb parts of the personalities and emotional states of certain characters from movies, shows, and books I consume, as a replacement for the personality I never got to develop as a result of everything being tamped down by a repressive cult.

Whenever I feel strong emotions and shit, I generally will have a brief panic, then one of my fictives will take over and it's sort of like "Jesus Take the Wheel" only instead of Jesus it's the fucking American Dragon, and then I'm basically possessed by one of my fictives and they control everything. Myself, the host, I am still there and present, but I basically just backseat drive and yell at whoever is in control and beg them not to fuck anything up lmao.

I have some fictives who are more dominant than other, and some who basically just sit back and watch the fun. The fictives who aren't in control, just sort of imagine somewhere in my head there's like an apartment complex and they all cohabitate and fight and argue but also sometimes there's cliques.

For instance, I have some really... problematic headmates. People who in their source were coldblooded killers and shit. Those dudes sort of have their own corner of the apartment building where they hang out and just talk about murder and being bad people etc. These specific fictives are basically my trauma fictives. I was abused as a kid and as a result I had a lot of violent thoughts and even a couple violent outbursts against the people who abused me. I developed some very violent and murderous alters to pour my grief and anger and murder into. They mainly front when I am having traumatic memories and PTSD flashbacks and I start ranting and raving about wanting to kill people who hurt me big oof.

Anyhow, that's what's up.

[psychology-department]

Hey can we like leave Fictionkin, Fictives or Irls of problematic media alone

It is not an excuse to harass fictives or irls or fictionkin from anything the creator is making or has made, they cannot control their source or media. Just because our media has problematic creator make doesn't make us a bad person. An author's actions towards others doesn't define who we are. Leave us the fuck alone. Stop sending us death threats. Stop forcing names onto us. Fuck the creator. We are our own people with our own lives and we are not defined by how they wrote our kintypes to be.

[afton-robotics-co]

Hey man this is your daily reminder it's not your fault if you have a problematic source. You can't control it

There's nothing wrong with still identifying with that source. That's you, if you want it to be! That doesn't mean you condone the actions of your character, sourcemates, creator, etc! It doesn't mean you condone the problematic media in the slightest, it just means that you still see yourself as you, and anyone who gets mad at you for that is just a jerk

You are not what is wrong with that source. You are you, and that's all

You are just a person, do not reduce yourself to what your source does wrong

You're just you

(Reblog with your problematic sources if you want! We won't judge! This includes factives, we love you! 🫶)