#ninjago critical

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Crazy that when lmk first released all the people comparing it to ninjago did so negatively

Early lmk easily blows early ninjago out of the water

(<- barely holding in the rage of a hot burning star)

Hahahah yeah. Hahahahahahahah yeah. Yeah. N*njago is better than lmk. Hahaha. Yeah. That is a take I can be normal about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Hauhahahuhuhauhuahh. People can enjoy what they enjoy and do whatever they want forever. Ahaha. Sobs.

Bits aside, watching the amount of n*njago I did made me greatly appreciate lmk s1. Lmk s1 is a masterpiece compared to anything n*njago has to offer, I'm not quite sure why this is even a discussion. 1x09 is SO good ("The old you would have leveled this whole mountain range to stop me! But you're scared of hurting some kid? Pathetic!" *DIES DIES DIES DIES*). Sigh. Anon I don't get it

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I've seen you mention on some posts that Ninjago had an affect on your relationship with being Asian, and I was wondering if you had any thoughts you wanted to share on the subject of Asian representation in Ninjago.

Feel free to disregard if the subject is too personal.

This is absolutely fine! In fact I’ve been itching for an excuse to talk about it for a while, because this show deeply influenced my writing growing up, and honestly I'm sick of most of the people getting noticed for discussing it being white.

So, I think Ninjago’s Asian representation is garbage. It’s not unique: there was a common trend in 2010’s kids’ media to make everything cooler by including Ninjas or, more generally, Asians Doing Martial Arts. I remember it being in media as distant as Club Penguin and many Flash games back in the day, as well as worse cartoons I don’t bother to remember the name of. I’m fairly sure adult-geared Kung Fu movies also had a hand in this, but I didn’t watch those as a kid.

But Ninjago’s particularly bad in that they’ve kept doing this for over 10 years, and it’s baked into their story.

Everything from them not checking up how ‘ninjutsu’ was spelled, to them not actually making the characters have Asian skintones in that one anime segment, to that one time they based Nya’s outfit off a clearly named Cheongsam from Pinterest and called it a Kimono? It all just reeks of people who wanted to make a quick buck of an entire continent’s ‘aesthetic’ and the mysticism around it, rather than portray them as actual people.

There’s a really great website by someone (who I can’t remember the username of) detailing all the Orientalism of the show up until about season 10. It dives very deeply into how the design language of Ninjago always seems to be based in making the actually ‘Asian’ parts of the show evoke more of a feeling of East Asia than actually being accurate to any one culture, and a lot of inaccuracies and why they arose.

A poignant point it raises is that any time we get a cool character or place, they’re always portrayed as more western-coded and ‘civilised.’ Jamanakai Village is poor and the villagers are rude. Ninjago City is civilised and clearly closer to what white people are used to living in. Lloyd is this world’s destined saviour, and he is blonde. There was *one* Asian voice actor on the VA team. And 2/3 of the Ninja team is white-coded by name.

Some my own observations over the years also include:

Jay’s ‘yin to my yang saying’ being completely made up.

That intro to… season 7, I think? Where the Ninja fight off some slave-drivers whipping people working a rice farm. Which never gets brought up again.

Nadakhan’s entire design is the only bit of South-Asian rep we get for the first few years, and his mythology is inaccurate to how actual Djinn work, and he’s acknowledged by the creators to have a sexy voice and be an absolute creep.

Having enjoyed Monkie Kid, I think Ninjago’s Asian rep is fundamentally unfixable. It was built to appeal to a western audience that simply thought the concept of ninja were cool, and thought of Asia only as a conglomerate where people had powers and did cool fight sequences or were otherwise savages. And also where the entirety of South Asia doesn't exist.

Like, I've tried to make an AU where I overhauled things completely to be better rep, and you just can't do it without breaking the show in half. Half of a character's name comes from Japan, and the other half from China. You're going to be losing something whatever you choose (shout out to Koko from the movie), and it gets uncomfortable to think about real quick, especially when the show's strongest suit is its characters.

As a kid who was part of a diaspora, Ninjago definitely didn't help my fucked up viewpoint of being cool only if I passed as white enough and viewed my parents' country as a magical but ancient land rather than part of reality.

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when ninjago called this a kimono 😔

I found this cheongsam from Etsy that looks almost exactly like it and is OBVIOUSLY the actual inspiration for the design

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@cboffshore

I love scrolling around and coming across a Fandom dissertation for something I've never heard of with a real hook opener like "We really don't talk about the symbolism of Boople's purple sweater, but this one scene in season 12 episode 49 is a really great demonstration of it's function to support him as a narrative foil to Peepo" and I'm out here white-knuckling it like "oh shit that's such in insightful take"

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They should let me into the writers room fr look at what beauty I can create (Based off of this post)

Thank you @its-virgo-season and @user-without-a-cool-acronym for these fantastic tags that enabled inspired me even further

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dont mind about the weird shadows on their faces and table, i'm still figuring it out and by now it's just a test i swear

i've been doing this since april when will i finish it aaaaaaaaa

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Garmadon and Morro, and their unused dumbassery in the departed realm, part 5:

Part 4 - Part 6

*arguing with someone, maybe Chen*

Morro: yeah? Well why don’t you go SUCK MY-

Garmadon: *covers his mouth* he didn’t mean that.

Garmadon: Well, he did, and I share the sentiment, but in a more dignified manner.

Morro: Garmadon, what’s that.

Garmadon: what is what?

Morro: *pointing at the very fast flying object hurtling towards them.* that.

Garmadon: *turns around uninterestedly to see.* hm?-

Garmadon: *look up to see his father flying full speed ahead on top of a dragon, standing with a sign saying “WELCOME SON AND GRAND CHILD, WORDS WILL BE SHARED IN THE NEXT FEW SECONDS, BE PREPARED.” In bold.*

Garmadon: *blinks up at it*

Garmadon: *picks Morro up and makes a run for it* all of our mistakes hurtling towards us, child.

Morro:…why, is your father, the First Spinjitzu master, chasing us?

Garmadon: It’s punishment in the form of torture.

Fsm: *wishes to smother them* YOU CANNOT RUN, MY CHILDREN.

Garmadon: Morro, dear child, genuinely, what is wrong with you.

Morro: *standing being half alive half not (literally half alive half dead one side of his form has a body the other does not. You can see his insides.), glowing pink, and tied to a tree as he floats upwards. He has the most blank expression known to man.* I blame Wu, and only Wu.

Garmadon: He is not even dead.

Morro: yet.

Garmadon:….what did you do-

Garmadon: Morro.

Morro: mmshshh *laying face down on the ground, just cause he can*

Garmadon: No- Morro.

Morro: what? *muffled by the grass.*

Garmadon: Child, you had a bowl cut?

Morro: *shoots up* WHERE WHAT WHY HOW-

Morro: *having just entered the Departed realm, bumping into Garmadon for the first time since the other was chained up*

Garmadon: Morro, what a pleasure.

Morro: *jumps.* Garmadon, I see you made it out of-

Garmadon: *raises an eyebrow.*

Morro:

Morro:

Morro: ah

Morro: what…are you wearing?

Garmadon, who traded his clothes with Lloyd right before he left, as a last minute gift before they never see each other again: *scowls* it’s better than what you’re wearing.

Morro: I DIED IN THIS?-

Guys please im losing ideas i gotta scrounge up the worst ones imaginable in my head.

Anyways the Fsm defo jumped Garm and Morro, bullied them, and smothered them in love. He’s been lonely for the past few years. No i do not take criticism this is definitely the fsm.

I miss Morro. And Sensei Garmadon. I rlly want smth on these two.

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Why Nya and Jay Can Remember Skybound

By the time Jay makes his final wish in Skybound, the realm crystal and Zane’s falcon have been destroyed, PIXAL has been deleted, Lloyd is an old man, large chunks of land have been ripped out of the ground and are poised to fall back onto Ninjago, and Nya is dead. Those last two parts are most important for Jay, the only character with a wish remaining (if you ignore all the Ninja replacements, who never made wishes and conveniently left after the real Ninja returned). Thus, Jay makes his final wish: “I wish you had taken my hand, and no one ever found that teapot in the first place.”

After Jay makes his wish, time is reversed and the Ninja return to where they were in the first episode of the season. The paparazzi is about to find the Ninja and all of them but Nya use airjitzu to hide from the helicopters. Jay asks Nya to take his hand, which she originally rejected, on the basis that, “I can stick up for myself” and “I'm a ninja, and I'm nobody's girl.” However, after Jay’s final wish, Nya uses airjitzu, which she learned over the course of Skybound, and takes Jay’s hand.

While they remember the events of the season: 

“I remember! I remember it all!” – Nya, The Way Back

“Me too!” – Jay, The Way Back

They don’t care how they do:

“But how?” – Jay, The Way Back

“Who cares.” – Nya, The Way Back

I, on the other hand, do care, and that’s what this post will explain. The other Ninja experience some deja vu, but aside from a subtle reference to Skybound in season 8 and a mural depicting the events of the season, indicating that Master Wu (or at least the painters of the monastery) was told, only Jay and Nya actually remember what happened.* Functionally, Skybound is an alternate timeline that never occurred.

This is not the first time Ninjago has dealt with alternate timelines! In Season 2, the Ninja time travel to the past and create an alternate timeline where Nya is kidnapped later on by the Ninja disguised as skeletons, Lord Garmadon from the future fights Kai at the fire temple, and the Ninja use the golden weapons to send the Mega Weapon into space. This timeline is erased when the Mega Weapon is destroyed, with series creator Tommy Andreasen confirming that the only change that the alternate timeline left is that the Mega Weapon ended up in space – the pilots still happened as depicted in 2011. At the end of the episode, the original four ninja remember the events of the episode, along with Garmadon, Nya, and Wu, but not Lloyd, who was not present. Wrong Place, Wrong Time’s time travel is extremely confusing, largely because Lloyd doesn’t just not remember the time travel but also doesn’t remember the Mega Weapon at all.

If the logic of Wrong Place, Wrong Time holds, then only those present for Jay’s last wish should remember it.** That means Jay and Nadakhan, obviously, but also the rest of the Ninja, but crucially, not Nya, since she was dead at the time. Now, perhaps the rest of the Ninja don’t remember, since the wish was between just Jay and Nadakhan, but that still doesn’t explain why Nya remembers Skybound.

Now, perhaps you could explain Nya’s memory as Jay’s wish was about her – Jay wanted Nya to take his hand. And this would work, except that Jay’s wish was also about Clouse. While he’s not named directly, Nadakhan ensures Clouse never finds the Teapot of Tyrahn in the first place.*** Now, if Clouse had remembered Skybound since the wish was about him, then it would have been very straightforward – Clouse would remember that Nadakhan tricked him into wishing it all away and stopped searching for the teapot. Clouse is instead chased off by angry citizens of the Village of Stiix while still searching for the teapot. You could argue that Clouse remembered Skybound but was arrogant enough to keep searching, but there’s zero evidence of this, so while this theory isn’t necessarily wrong, I think there’s another, better explanation that covers why Nya remembers Skybound but Clouse didn’t (Clouse also never mentions this in the Dark Island Trilogy).

The most logical explanation why Nya remembers Skybound is, based on the rules of wishes established in Skybound, love. And no, I’m not talking about how Jay “wished from the heart” so Nya ended up remembering Skybound.**** I find it hard to believe that Jay’s true, heartfelt intention was to make sure that he and Nya remembered events that never occurred. Instead, let’s look at what Jay wanted. He wanted Nya to take his hand and Clouse to not find the teapot. The second half is easy, since Nadakhan is more than capable of altering the actions of others with his wishes – after Jay’s first wish, the mailman comes out of nowhere, and so does Nya after Jay’s second wish.

Theoretically, Nadakhan could override Nya’s free will and have her take Jay’s hand – except for two problems. First, on a metatextual level, this would run totally counter to Nya’s entire message in Skybound, as muddled as it is. Having Nya take Jay’s hand because of a wish would not only undermine the entire point of Jay’s growth over the season (Jay goes from saying “Maybe a wish is what it takes! Maybe this is how she falls for me” in Public Enemy Number One to asking Nya, “Well, what do you want?” in The Last Resort) but also utterly obliterate Nya’s agency, the exact thing she spent the season fighting for. Now, can Ninjago have totally contradictory messages? Of course! Skybound is a case study in mixed messaging on this very issue! But there’s a second, in-universe reason why Nadakhan can’t make Nya take Jay’s hand, and it’s not for the reason that Tommy Andreasen gives, which is that Nya is dead, and Nadakhan can’t control the dead. Nadakhan is more than capable of making dead people do things, since he literally brings Delara back to life earlier on, and he is capable of doing multiple things in one wish, by making Lloyd both older and wiser.

The reason is that you can’t wish for love! This is one of the first things Nadakhan says (“You can’t wish for love, death, or more wishes” – Nadakhan, Infamous). Nya makes it very clear that the reason she won't take Jay's hand is because she doesn’t, or refuses to, love Jay at the start of Skybound. Having her take Jay’s hand because of a wish would mean he wished for love.

However, right before Nya dies, after the whole plot of Skybound has happened, Nya does love Jay, so Nadakhan is not magically making Nya fall in love. Instead, Nya takes Jay’s hand of her own agency, but this can only happen because Nadakhan ensures that Nya remembers the events of Skybound, so that the love that was created naturally, not as a result of wishes, does not go away, and he fulfills Jay’s wish.

Thus, Jay remembers Skybound because he made the wish, Nya remembers Skybound because she needs to to love Jay to take his hand, and Clouse, the other Ninja, and the rest of Ninjago don’t remember it because it never happened.

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*And technically Zane if you include Ninjago: Decoded

**The same time travel logic sort of holds in Lost in Time, where the Ninja in the present are aware of the changing timeline after having been present for the Iron Doom's time travel. That being said, they are also still affected by the changes in the past (Zane reverts to his pre-rebuilt state when Ninjago's advanced technology is undone).

***It would have been very easy to twist that wish into no one having ever found the teapot, that is, Captain Soto would never have found the teapot, but whatever.

****I think it’s possible that Nadakhan didn’t twist Jay’s wish because it was from the heart, but that’s totally unrelated and not based on any actual evidence. The Ninjago wiki seems to think this: "Nadakhan, being hit with the venom and with Jay’s wish being pure, has no choice but to grant it" [emphasis mine].

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I don't understand the lego ninjago movie

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The thing that bothers me about Lloyd's post-aging characterisation is that like. He has the potential to be one of the most interesting characters in the main cast of Ninjago, just by sheer circumstance of what he's gone through, but the writers never take the opportunity to really develop on that beyond exploiting it for 'oooh! trauma! the green ninja's been defeated guys! what will we do next??'

Like, he was seemingly abandoned by one parent to a boarding school where he was bullied while holding out hope the other would love him, he's been forced to live with the people that they at one point thought would eventually kill his dad, he's then told HE has to do it, and then sees said dad get corrupted in the final battle. And that's ONLY in seasons 1 and 2. The writers only ever up the ante from there - he's forced to actually send his dad to hell, kidnapped, possessed, rapidly aged, actually manipulated by an absolute fucking creep, and I suspect this didn't stop after season 10.

If there's any character that should be allowed to rage and snap and maybe fuck up a situation out of rage, it should be Lloyd. If there's any character that should be raising his eyebrows at another ancient prophecy or villain appearing it should be Lloyd.

It's clear that he's always been savvier than the others - almost on a meta level - when it comes to the team's tactics and plans. I still remember being delighted in that one episode of s1 where he suggests outright raiding the Serpentine base once the team falls behind on plot coupon collecting. It's very creative writing for such a rigid show format, and a great moment of characterisation that sets out exactly why Lloyd is so useful to the team - he has a different perspective on things, and sees the possibilities that the rest of them don't.

But the writers never capitalise on any of this. People like to talk about how Lloyd is winning the trauma Olympics in this show nowadays, but what about that actually makes him compelling? What about that is quantifiably more enjoyable to watch than the prankster-y and kinda cringefail but ultimately fun kid in S1, or potentially the much more wise and grown-up version of that kid we never get to see (except for the fact it makes him look deeper than he's actually been written).

The writers really had the opportunity to make Lloyd one of the most interesting 'Chosen One' stories via his earlier characterisation, and then just threw it away once it was actually time to put him in the spotlight.

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Ooh! I've heard a similar thing said about the stepmother in Cinderella, with how abusive villains can go from annoying/terrifying to just plain annoying and laughable if you've gone through that sort of abuse yourself. It's not a thing I tend to pick up on myself since the ways I've been treated in the past veers closer to neglect, so I really appreciate another perspective on that!

I don't think you're wrong about the 'I won't let it wreck me like it ruined you' being a good contrast, given you tend to view Ninjago through a formalist lens, but personally I'm never going to back down from wincing at it. It just hits too close to how I've seen so many people treat outspoken or snippy abuse survivors (hi) with scorn because they don't fit into the mould of a perfect victim, and how I've seen friends believe they're ruined because of that mindset.

Like, that was a lot to see on TV as a kid. And it was weird to see other kids like me, who hadn't gone through the same thing, cheer that on. I don't think I'm ever going to like her for that, honestly.

Still, my initial reactions to Harumi were rooted in my broader views on the Oni Trilogy as a whole and the fandom's reactions to it, so it's really neat to see somebody look at her from a story perspective. I don't see many people actually dissect her as a character (as a cringefail emo kid like Lloyd once was), which I think you've done really well here :D

Since I don't enjoy her at all, but you have well thought out takes on everything, what are your reverse unpopular opinions on Harumi?

Ooh, this is a tough one for me, but I think my opinions on her boil down to thess:

She is annoying as hell, but that helps her case as a character, which thereby makes it the GOOD kind of annoying.... even if she's painful to watch. Part of this might be because she reminds me VERY heavily of someone who used to torment me, but as with that IRL asshat, Harumi is terrifying on the first go round and then just a gnat in the rearview, emotionally speaking. Borderline laughable, even, which does make for a fun contrast with how utterly insane and lofty her goals are. I don't have too much to say on that, beyond that I LIKE that she's immature and stuck in an emo phase. The cringe HELPS.

As melodramatic as the "I won't let (tragedy of choice) wreck me like it ruined you" concept is and for how much flack it gets, it's a good one, and it makes her a really neat foil to Lloyd. Kinda stupid? Yeah, but back to #1 here: the cringe factor helps. Harumi doesn't want to be cringe, but frankly the more you RUN from the cringe, the more attracted to you the cringe is. Honestly.... it works for her in a way I can't articulate. Of course the foil for the Chosen One archetype is a pile of Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way cliches! Of course the foil for the guy built on change and energy and growth is stagnant and boring and irritating! It's a match made in heaven! Y'all are still shipping Llorumi? Yawn. All the cool kids ship Hacringi now. (Name needs some workshopping, though...)

Harumi isn't one of my favs either, but she's fun to pick apart. Thanks for the ask!

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Fucking sobbing at this meme i made some time ago 😭

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More shows that have a better color palette than Hazbin Hotel

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Obsessed with Lloyd never mentioning his grandfather is the First Spinjitsu Master, apparently to the point even Arin didn't seem to know, because "eh, it never came up". Cause like, yeah, sure, my grandfather is God, what of it? Normal day for me. Shit happens. My dad is also evil, you wanna talk about that? I sure don't.

It's also funny from a character arc perspective. Here's itty bitty baby first season Lloyd, loudly proclaiming he's the son of Garmadon, and probably also making sure everyone knows he's God part 3 electric boogaloo. And then one Tomorrow's Tea and a few more years later and he's doing everything physically possible to NOT care about his heritage. In fact he'd probably rather his parentage was literally anyone else. Dude could care so less he forgets about it most of the time. King behavior.

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Ohh. Wait. Yeah. I see that. Man it'd have been so much cooler to see the version of this you're proposing.

Jay was always kind of interesting for his insecurities about himself ever since his full potential episode. His relationship with Nya wasn't handled well, but it was always kind of neat for them to acknowledge he struggles with that stuff, especially given his background. Especially for somebody who carries the brunt of the comic relief in the team.

In retrospect I think I've been the harshest on him out of the 6 ninja primarily because of season 6. Like you said, it's not that he's inherently hateable, it's just that he's where the writers consistently reveal their horrible takes on interpersonal skills, women, and relationships every single time around Jay, while the other ninja don't have those subjects be as relevant to their stories.

I always got the vibe the writers' idea of feminism seems to be more 'some people are bad say women suck,' and doesn't extend to them even noticing their own writing has problems because of their own worldview and the media they enjoy.

Also, I think there's one single female producer (Irene Sparre) who was involved in Ninjago from the start, and one director, Trylle Wilstrup. The latter of which was absent only from season 1, and wouldn't you know it? Skybound. So you were absolutely right about that 😭

What was it that made you pick Skybound out of all the Ninjago seasons to rewrite? I know I usually do rewrites for story concepts that hold potential but are never lived up to them; is there anything like that you see in S6? :O

Boy is there ever!

There are a lot of things that could be tweaked to make Skybound way better, but the main thing that grabed me was Nya and Jay's storylines, which are actually set up to be pretty solid.

I liked how they actually set up an arc for Jay to go through. A focus season that actually focuses on developing the ninja's character? Sounds great! I'm so down!

Okay, Jay makes a wish he shouldn't have in a moment of weakness. This is a good setup. It's obviously gonna be a moment he regrets, and he's going to be carrying a guilty conscience-

Oh, actually, he immediately lies to Nya to try and manipulate her into liking him after she firmly started she wasn't interested.

His friends are mad at him for his actions later, though.

Okay, good. Having to deal with the consequences of his actions (remember how invested we were in "actions have consequences" in the first episode?) will surely spark some personal growth-

Nope! His friends immediately do a 180 and start talking about how sorry they are for being mean to Jay.

...what!?

You had Jay all set up to learn a lesson, and have to reflect and grow, but then we're suddenly supposed to feel sorry for him even though he hasn't shown the slightest hint of guilt? After half a season of nothing but him being a selfish lying remorseless jerk?

I'm not even being a Jay-hater. I love the idea of Nadakhan preying on Jay's low self-esteem, especially when he takes advantage of Jay's emotionally vulnerable state fresh off of Nya's rejection to trick him into making a wish. But even though Nadakhan influenced him, it was still Jay that made the wish, and that's an uncomfortable truth he's going to have to face.

You might say it's...Jay's wish to keep.

They've got a really good start to a story about a flawed character improving themselves, but then they don't put the part in where he improves himself, just more and more flaws with only the barest amount of growth (the one ninja guy stopped moping and saved the day like he and all the ninja do every season. That doesn't even come close to balancing out all the lying, whining, and possesivness we've been subjected to from him this entire season).

And then there's Nya.

Oh Nya.

Things again start off good. Nya's facing a lot of misogyny for being the first girl ninja. It sucks, she's mad, but at least her friends stick up for her.

Sure, it's done kind of clunkily, but showcasing that girls have to face a lot of unfair attitudes can be a very validating thing for real girls to see, especially if the girl characters are allowed to get angry, and the other characters take their anger seriously and help fight back.

Furthermore, having the main characters (you know, the ones the kids watching the show are supposed to relate to/look up to/think are cool) stick up for their friend, and learn that they need to check themselves sends a pretty good message to the kids watching. Like, exactly the kind of message you want to send.

And after Ninjago's previous poor handling of female characters, it would be a much appreciated gesture.

But as we know, that's not how things went down.

Instead, Nya gets kidnapped, doesn't get to be part of the climax, is killed for a man's character development, and then gets together with a guy she initially said 'no' to dating as a reward for his arc.

...why?!?

I think what gets me is they kind of start to go in a compelling direction, but then they make the most violent u-turn possible in the wrongest direction. It's not unusual for Ninjago to be bad, but here it almost feels like they were trying. Like...how does a conscious attempt to be more feminist result in the most misogynistic season of the series?? How could you set out on such a right direction things and end up going so wrong???

I know the reason the season's so bad because they're were basically no women involved in the writing process, and I get the feeling said writing process was on a time crunch, but even with those stipulations, I still don't understand how you can screw up that badly. It's genuinely baffling.

Skybound's failings stick out because it feels like they were purposely dumping gasoline on the misogynistic dumpster fire, and also trying to make Jay as hatable as possible. Like, you had some really solid storylines set up for your characters, why'd you suddenly stop and start shooting yourself in the foot???

I couldn't stop thinking about it. They were right there, and then they missed so dramatically.

It plagued my brain from the moment I first watched it.

Also I do like how Nadakhan's a more talky/manipulator type villain, that really let's you dig into your main characters weak points in an interesting way, but holy hell did he need a redesign because yikes.

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Anyways does anyone know what the name of this phenomenon is where fans say “the thing you are criticizing is just a little itty-bitty baby show unless you like it and then it is a literary masterpiece behind comprehension”