#legendarium tag

[ervona]

today saw a post calling Finrod and the two losers who harassed Luthien the Nargothrond trio rather than the iconic throuple of Finduilas, Gwindor and Turin. do you truly have no shame... smh my head

[eri-pl]

When I casually mentioned the "th vs. s" drama to my friend, who is a member (or main guy, not sure) of his university's Tolkien club and does stuff like conventions, his reaction was: "oO What? But that's from some fanfic, right? Or is it an actual thing?"

I think the th controversy is a part of lore that is very Tumblr (and fanfic) specific. Even normal Tolkienists rarely know it.

in reference to this post:

admittedly i'm not the right person to make this meme since i'm not really well-versed in the lore lol

[daily-smol-silm]

Cozy/warm winter drawing idea - Melkor and Sauron toasting marshmallows, but the fire is a balrog

Day #137 - Marshmallows

I mean, the balrog seems pretty happy about the whole deal. They probably get to eat the marshmallows Melkor burns.

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I just had the epiphany that all three of Finwë's sons named a son after themselves.

Curufinwë Fëanáro namer his son Curufinwë Atarincë.

Ñolofinwë Aracáno named his son Aracáno (and we don't know his mother name).

Arafinwë Ingoldo named his son Findaráto Ingoldo.

Yet we only ever (justifiably) give Náro crap about it.

[eri-pl]

Not really, but ... ok I will admit that I often headcanon that it is part of it. (The other part being: he choses to do the evil thing.) On the other hand (which I still possess, unlike some), his lack of empathy and stuff is a direct consequence of his earlier choices, so...

It's complicated.

But yes, he definitely lacks empathy. And goes into dissociative states. And is evil.

Neither of those is 100% of him.

Nienna, about Melkor: It's not that he's evil. He lacks empathy and he goes into a disassociative state and commits atrocities.

Everyone else: ㆆ_ㆆ

[anghraine]

I've been thinking of strong opinions and headcanons I have about some more unimportant matters, and figure I'd just compile them into a grand unified poll of Things That Don't Matter.

I ran out of room on the ones with asterisks!

*More specifically, Darcy is much more like his mother's family in general than like his father in temperament or appearance. Elizabeth is not inventing his physical resemblance to Lady Catherine out of sheer desire to see it; there really is one (if weaker than his resemblance to Lady Anne when she was alive).

**The ANH script says that Leia is around 16; Luke is explicitly stated to be 18. Other materials use different ages, but they're 18 to me.

***Selecting Gil-galad Fingonion in the Silm was a mistake of Christopher Tolkien's and in retrospect, I think it's perfectly clear that JRR Tolkien had settled on Gil-galad Orodrethion. (No slight intended to Christopher, who had a monumental task—it's not surprising that he'd make a few mistakes, and he acknowledged this one.)

****That is, when Elizabeth tells Lady Catherine that she is not 21, she means that she is currently 20 and not yet 21, but at that point she hasn't had her birthday. Darcy has recently turned 28 at that time, but was 27 early in the novel, like Charlotte.

*****By "discovered" I mean that Romulans also experience pon farr, but figured out the solution long before Spock did for obvious Romulan culture reasons. I don't know if this is contradicted by canon I have yet to experience, and I don't care if it is.

[ervona]

of all relationships I'm interested in what's going on between Celebrimbor Celeborn and Galadriel

[eri-pl]

How about: Sauron suddenly feels the urge to seek the Silmarils and return them to Feanor.

Hmmm... This would make a fun fic.

[serene-faerie]

One thing that I find really uncomfortable in this fandom is the apparent idea that Quenya is somehow superior to Sindarin.

Like yeah, Quenya is a nice language and all, but Sindarin is just as beautiful. And also, the fact that people will try to call Sindar characters by their Quenya equivalents, or with Quenya spelling, it really rubs me the wrong way. Call me weird or whatever, but just because Thingol banned Quenya in his realm doesn't mean that Quenya is automatically a superior language.

These people will cry about how Thingol is "erasing Noldorin culture" only to literally erase Sindarin culture by spelling Sindar names with the Quenya variant!

Like, can we just stop with the hypocrisy and the Noldor/Quenya supremacy already???

[eri-pl]

So I was thinking about Doriath again, and about how I'm pretty sure C&C never told any of their brothers anything except "we duelled Beren and imprisoned Luthien to stop her from interfering" (which is an obvious understatement, but the others would not compensate enough for it, I think they would imagine some unhonorable fighting and murde attempt, and that's it).

And I thought about Caranthir, who was there with those two (it's a common fanon that 3 Cs died in roughly the same time and place and the other brothers weren't there).

About Dior, charging at Celegorm and calling him out, and Caranthir, the always easy to anger Caranthir, yelling "How dare you!" and running at Dior and getting stabbed by one of the Sindar, and the last thing he sees is Celegorm's extremely guilty face confirming everything Dior just said, :(

And the other brothers never even learned (Elwing did not know, I think, it's not a story you tell to children), maybe Maglor learned eventually, from Elrond's historical notes (let's not even get into Elrond's feelings about it) compiled from fragments of tales of the Sindar who survived.

And then in the Halls of Mandos, "you tried to do what—"

[i-am-trans-gwender]

I swear at least half of all high fantasy is just "We have Tolkien at home."

[eri-pl]

Maeglin + Turin + their twin swords = the ultimate city-dooming combo.

I think Maeglin should helped bring about the fall of more cities. I think it would have been funny.

[chaos-of-the-abyss]

'Nonetheless for all your valor, I say again: "what know ye of death?" To you it may be in pain, it may be bitter and a loss—but only for a time, a little taken from abundance, unless I have been told untruth. For ye know that in dying you do not leave the world, and that you may return to life.

'Otherwise it is with us: dying we die, and we go out to no return. Death is an uttermost end, a loss irremediable. And it is abominable; for it is also a wrong that is done to us.'

i've seen takes that aegnor eventually departs from the halls after making peace with his parting from andreth, but imo it's so much more fitting that he chooses to never be reborn in aman and remains in mandos for all eternity (or at least until the end of arda marred). andreth here points out what she perceives as one of the differences between death for elves and death for men: that elves may be re-embodied and live their lives anew, while for men death is the absolute end, from which they have no chance to return. but aegnor voluntarily rejects the ability of the elves to live anew, he voluntarily refuses the chance to return, because to him life has no meaning without andreth whom he loves so deeply. in a way, his death -- being forced to leave beleriand and in doing so being forced to leave andreth forever -- is an absolute end for him

[daily-smol-silm]

Day #134 - Another bug

Well look who it is. a smol insect

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What does "kind as summer" even mean?

When I think of summer, I don't think of kindness. Where I live, it's either "you'll melt if you even think about going outside" or "you'll melt if you even think about going outside, and it's raining", and sometimes "you won't melt immediately upon going outside, but you might get hit by a tree or lightning, or possibly a tree getting hit by lightning".

I really hope Elrond isn't like that.

But I guess Tolkien lived in a place where the summer was a nice, mild 50-70 degrees Fahrenheit, so there's that.

Still, because of how summer is where I live, I characterize Elrond like this:

Elrond is kind, but he's not always nice. He is blunt and straightforward, and he says what he means and means what he says. He is usually gentle enough for his work as a healer, but if this is, say, the fifth time you broke your leg doing something stupid, he'll give you the Eyebrows of Doom™. He has a temper that he keeps well under control, but you can see the signs of him losing patience from afar off (so act accordingly). He's not above acting passive aggressive when he loses his temper, but it is very hard to push him to that point.

Maybe be more specific with your simile, Professor.

[eri-pl]

What do you think, did the locker burn with Feanor or did one of his sons keep it?

So IMPORTANT to me that feanor wears some sort of mourning colors for his whole life