#from palestine to vietnam

[determinate-negation]

its so insane to me how people will maintain the perspective that occupying armies have to fight by carpet bombing villages and refugee camps because theyre dealing with an enemy that blends in with civilian populations and not realize or refuse to admit thats because theyre fighting civilians who are forced to take up arms against an occupying power

[troythecatfish]

[hereswhere]

[floralcavern]

My opinion on the IDF

(Because, yes, despite me being Pro-Israel, I still have ✨thoughts✨)

People need to stop comparing the I/P conflict to the Holocaust. It is nothing like the Holocaust and Israel is nothing like Germany. And you making that comparison really shows how little you actually know about WW2. Read any history book. Read Anne Frank, or Night. In fact, the closest thing to the Holocaust that is happening in this war is what is happening to the Israeli hostages. They are under way more of those conditions. 

No. If we are to ever compare this to any other war, it is more similar to the Vietnam War. 

The IDF is very similar to US soldiers in Vietnam.

Look. We can all agree that US was on the right side of Vietnam. They were helping the Southern Vietnamese from the Northern Vietnamese. So when you hear “They were on the right side/good side” you automatically think they were the good guys. Wonderful heroes. And, yes, Vietnam veterans were heroes. But they did some fucked up shit. 

For example, according to one veteran, one time when one of his friends had been murdered, out of anger, they all burned an entire town down. US soldiers took out a lot of their frustrations and anger onto the Vietnamese. So while we all agree that they are on the right side and are the good guys, they did some fucked up shit. Stuff that cannot be excused at all. 

Another example is in WW2! We all think of the allies as the good guys! They fought against the terrible Nazis and yadada. America was on the good side, they were one of the main sides that took down Germany! So while we acknowledge that America was the right side the be on, we cannot forget the horrible things they did. For example..

They had Japanese concentration camps. 

Bet you didn’t know that. 

The reason for this was because the amount of violence they saw and experienced was involved with Japan. They were traumatized but it is no excuse to do something like that!

America was the right side, but they weren’t the perfect military. 

No military is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!

That includes the IDF. 

But here’s the thing, on the side of the ‘good guys’, usually when there’s extremely violent people in the military, there are usually two reasons for this. 

They have experienced horrors beyond comprehension while fighting on the battlefield, causing them to become jaded and bitter

Or 

2. They were always a violent person and they joined the war to take that out onto others. 

It is the tragic reality that every single military has people like this. It is history. The historical ‘good guys’ did horrible things as well. 

That brings me back to the Vietnam War. 

The soldiers saw so many horrible things that could actually compare very well to what the IDF has seen. 

US soldiers had no way to tell if a citizen was Northern Vietnamese or Southern Vietnamese. 

Usually by the time they learned, it was too late. 

There are stories of US soldiers having a Vietnamese child come up to them, holding something. About to give them a gift! But when they opened their hand, they were holding a grenade. 

That is so similar to what Hamas is doing. They use suicide bombers and child soldiers. Things like that will create an idea of they can’t trust anyone. Anyone could be out to hurt them and there’s the idea of almost animalistic fighting for survival. How can you trust when Hamas could literally send a child out to kill you?!

So, really, if you think about it, the US soldiers of the Vietnam War are very similar to the IDF. 

That sense of they can’t trust anyone, violence due to the trauma and being surrounded by enemies trying to do the same fucking thing (hell, Hamas has been committing terrorist attacks on Israel for years now). Even what the two sides fight for are somewhat similar! 

The US fought to help the Southern Vietnamese and gain freedom from their Northern neighbors. Israel is fighting for freedom from their neighbors who are constantly attacking them and freeing Palestinians from their oppressive government. 

It starts out virtuous and those ideas do carry on for the most part, but it also dissolves into animalistic violence and anger because of the shit they have seen.

Also, the way US Vietnam soldiers were treated in America is actually really similar to how Americans treat the IDF. 

Nowadays when we meet a Vietnam veteran, we comment on how brave they are and how they’re a hero. Back then, though? Ohhhhh boy. Americans hated them. When soldiers would come home, Americans would yell at them, spit on them, etc. Now, doesn’t that sound familiar?

So, TLDR;

I support Israel and I support the IDF in the same way I support America in WW2 and the Vietnam War. They’re on the right side and have virtuous intent, but they sure as hell aren’t perfect and have done some fucked up shit. Yknow. Like every other military in the world. The sad reality we live in. Not everything is black and white.

[southeastasianhistories]

“The Vietnamese people fully support the Palestinian people’s liberation movement and the struggle of the Arab peoples for the liberation of territories occupied by Israeli forces.” – Ho Chi Minh, North Vietnamese President, at the International Conference for the Support of Arab Peoples (1969). [x]

(1) Published by Arabs and Jews for a Democratic Palestine, c. 1970.

(2) Paul Thomas Chamberlain, The Global Offensive: The United States, the Palestine Liberation Organisation, and the Making of the Post Cold-War Order, 2012.

(3) 'Vietnam Passes the Banner of Victory to Palestine', published by the Palestine Liberation Organisation, 1972.

[lasttarrasque]

[sugas6thtooth]

[northwest-by-a-train]

When Russia went to war with Ukraine, there were dozens of takes on here about how Europe & America had "snubbed" Russia. Despite Germany shooting themselves in the foot by hooking their economy to Russian oil & gas, despite the high prestige Russian culture still enjoys among the western bourgeoisie, despite the "appease & profit" attitudes of European political, business & education leaders. Despite all that and more, you could find people saying Russia was constantly mistreated, humiliated and belittled by the western world, and was left with nothing but bad choices. I saw people on here argue that the EU should've made Russia a member in the 90s, that western powers should've done everything to preserve its social safety net, and encouraged friendship initiatives with its neighbors. The war in Ukraine was regrettable, yes, and many were against it. But ultimately, the onus of it fell on foreign powers essentially being filthy russophobes.

Now, American libs use the same logic to promote Kamala Harris. "You have to vote for us, or we'll genocide Palestine even harder. We don't want the guy who will genocide harder than this one to be in power. We want to have the one that keeps genocide at around the same level, and who could maybe be amenable to lower that level." And if you say that's irrational or disgusting or predatory blackmail, they turn around and say "Well, if you don't appease our empire, and you don't give us the appropriate level of respect and approval, and treat us as a reliable and trustworthy partner, of course this country will turn around and char the earth. Of course we will commit genocide, and ethnic cleansing, and bomb civilian buildings 24/7. Of course if we don't win on every trade deal and don't get to live better lives than the rest of the world and we don't get to racially segregate our country and export that segregation, we will cause a series of mounting international crises drawing us ever closer to nuclear war. Of course. That's obvious. Everyone is supposed to know that. Now get to appeasing us, and making us comfortable, and making us loved and beautiful. Or else you leave us with no choice."

And now the onus of this genocide is on Palestinians not being nice enough and Lebanon and Yemen not being nice enough and on the third world not being nice enough and college kids not being nice enough and on the international community not being nice enough and on Israel not being respectful enough of its western protectors and people on here will yell at you that you're not being nice enough to Kamala and that it's making things worse for everyone everywhere on earth and that the correct way for this crisis to be solved is people being nice to Kamala, which in turn will make Israel nicer and more respectful towards Kamala, which in turn will make the middle East nicer and more respectful towards Kamala, which in turn will make us all nicer and more respectful towards Kamala and solve all problems for all time.

So the only way out of this is to play nice 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 and nothing bad will ever happen again 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 and if everyone plays nice you'll eventually stop seeing the mangled corpses of children 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂

[al-hekima-madara-blog]

The zionist entity has no right to exist

It would be dismantled piece by piece. Gaza, West bank, Jerusalem, Haifa, Tel aviv... Like it or not. Cry, yell, curse, vociferate, invent more lies, blackmail, humiliate, torture, quote the bible, kill more babies in vain, roll on the floor in antisemitism. And the higher the pills of deaths to impose your domination the more enemies you create even within your allies. My words make you laugh? It's fine, Hubris always comes before the fall. You don't see it yet but it's coming. This is the natural direction of history. Zionists leaders harshly punished, their zealous followers send back from the 2348938457 countries they, their parents or their grandparents comes from. And for those left, if the indigenous Palestinians still wants you around and if you accept to live in a real democracy with equal rights for Muslims, Christians and Jews, you might stay. But it's up to them!

To those who choose humanity: don't despair! The tyranny will end, the beast is always the most vicious and dangerous when deadly wounded. Be resilient and patient. It happened in Apartheid South Africa, in French Algeria, in Rhodesia now Zimbabwe, in India, in Indochina now Vietnam. and so much more decolonised countries. The settlers left, some stayed and accepted to integrate into the native society.

Too much blood has been spilled in Gaza (5% of the total population in February 2024), too much innocent children have been sacrificed, too much people around the world have seen disgusting images we wish we have never seen. We are fed up, so fed up by the utter arrogance of the evil entity from their degenerate leaders to their citizens happily doing rave party while blocking aid trucks and creating famine few miles away... There is no coming back. Don't you understand? This is the last racist colony in the world. And this is the world war of our generation.

Humanity against Evil.

[chaiaurchaandni]

[demoncatapologist]

That wretched CNN article reminds me of my early times on western socmed spaces. I was some younger Vietnamese teenager, who at this point has known all the bullshit America had done to us. Napalm bombs, massacares, Agent Orange, we know it all by that point.

Then I whipped around and all I see for the "Vietnam veterans" are sympathy and support and I remember being just... mildly confused. Aren't you guys the invading forces? Aren't you guys the one who choose to go and kill my people?

(Though, even back then, we were also told to direct more of our anger towards the USAmerican government than towards the soldiers themselves. Which I think is fair.)

I remember reading a short story about a father who came home with massive PTSD after spending his time in Vietnam as a soldier. While it does left quite a mark on me, with its depiction of PTSD, (and it was an okay-ish framework for me to understand the flashbacks that I eventually got later as the result of persistent harassment that literally lasted for YEARS)... I still couldn't fully empathize with the guy. Wasn't it him who came all the way to us, to shoot us dead? Sure, it sucks to be mentally tortured like this and I cannot deny it, but he and his buddies the one doing the killing, why wouldn't he understand that this is just what was coming for him?

Either way, the fucker should be grateful that none of them - him, his colonizer buddies, and every single one of those people who willingly choose to rape, kill, butcher, maim, and starve people whose only "crime" was being Palestinian, got what they really, really deserved.

[troythecatfish]

[ladychlo]

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[valiantlycleverinfluencer]

This may never gain any traction for anyone to see but if you’re buying salt at the dollarama do not get the one by heavenly spices they’re a product of Israel. It’s off the label now but there’s one on my shelf that has it labeled clearly

[patches-rabbit]

I’m analyzing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s Beyond Vietnam speech and I’m dumbfounded by how much it is relevant to this day, at this very moment, about the situation regarding Palestine. I’m certainly not the first person to consider the similarities, but I’m going to say it myself for those who haven’t made said connection. We really are doomed to repeat history when we don’t study it, aren’t we?

There is so much I could quote but I’ll choose to leave this one:

“The image of America will never again be the image of revolution, freedom, and democracy, but the image of violence and militarism.”

[yonemurishiroku]

I mean, the Vietnamese were also pretty terrible colonisers to the Cham and other minorities

I don’t have enough history knowledge to refute or discuss this. However, as I understand it, wars, colonization, etc are of the past, when humanity is far and few in between and we had to fought for the barest of life and our lives belong to a single individual instead of ourselves. By existing today, we are standing on what used to belong to the ancient people, many of whom have vanished into the flow of time. What country today can proudly claim that their lands have never, even once in the length of their history, covered in blood and tears to become what they are today.

The world was once all wars, so by that logic, none of us is allowed to support peace? I don’t think so. If so, humanity would have perished long before it could thrive.

It’s different now. The Geneva convention is there and no one has the right to step on or dehumanize others. I know for a fact that, since the day our people united as one and named ourselves who we are today, our rightful leaders have always promoted dependance and peace over oppression and occupation. Ho Chi Minh once voiced his support for Palestine in a letter way back in Jan 1969. The Vietnam government, as of now, shares the sentiment. Rest assured that should our government decide to invade Laos or Campuchia or whatever, I’d not sit still.

I’m not saying this to shadow what horribles my people did. I’m aware it was horrible for our neighbors when our Kings decide to expand our land, though I refuse to let the past get in my way to do what I believe is right, today. Believe me when I say that I was horrified to learn that my ancestors committed atrocities too, and for that exact reason, I find the crimes that Israel has been committing against Palestine appalling, disgusting, inhumane and thus refuse to accept them.

I won’t assume, though it appears to me that this is your attempt to shame my support to Palestine. If not then just ignore this. Should it be the case, however, let me just say that you can convict me all you want, but I will stand by what I’ve been taught to be good and right. The Palestinians, or any people, for that matter, do not deserve to be dehumanized like this and even if my voice is just a ripple in the sea, let it be one of the many waves.