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Yeah and it's not that he dislikes his son in contrary but he sees him like an extention of himself, his heir, his mini-him. So he wants him to be tough and tends to have high expectation. The daughter is babygirl she can do no wrong 💓💘😍💖💝

I have a dad Madara HC where he is the type of dad who can't shut up and overhypes any meaningless accomplishment by his daughter. You know a bit like Maes Hughes from Fullmetal alchemist. except it's Madara he's intimidating and no one dare to tell him to stop.

Also Madara when you ask him about his son : him? mh😐. anyway...

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I have a dad Madara HC where he is the type of dad who can't shut up and overhypes any meaningless accomplishment by his daughter. You know a bit like Maes Hughes from Fullmetal alchemist. except it's Madara he's intimidating and no one dare to tell him to stop.

Also Madara when you ask him about his son : him? mh😐. anyway...

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Everytime I remember that Madara actually named Konoha I can't help laughing. He owns the copyrights of that whole sh"#! For sure, he can destroy and rebuild and destroy it again as long as he wishes. Hashirama, just give that man his royalties.

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hey, I love your blog, your analysis and your opinions about the konoha foundation, I'm a madara enthusiast 😅

I have some doubts, one in particular bothers me! why did madara attack konoha, what did he really want, did he want to kill hashirama? anyway if you can comment on this one day, thankss😆

Oh yeah the more Madara-obsessed the better for humanity 😆! Join the premium club wagon💖

But you know what? I'm not sure either about his true intentions, because we don't have his POV, I can only make conjectures. And it's really important, remember the Pain's case. The first time he nukes Konoha we all thought : OMG SUCH A %&$🤬!!!!! And then when Pain/Nagato explains what Konoha did to Ame village it was like…yeah he got valid points to be mad !😅

However one thing is certain : If Madara attacks Konoha, only Hashirama is capable to defend the village. Yet Madara needs to get Hashirama's cell to awaken the Rinnegan, which will later summon the Genzo statue, and to collect the bijuus ect. ect... to realise the infinite Tsukuyomi.

So far Madara lost against Hashirama even with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan that Izuna gave him. In his logic, he needs more power to beat Hashirama. That's why he attacks him again using for the first time Kyuubi. But was it really to destroy Konoha? or was it to be sure Hashirama will show up? Because we need to remember that what motivate Madara is always the protection of the Uchiha clan. I talk a bit further about it here

This being said, let's enter the speculations theories : sure Madara has a masterplan, but Madara is still a human being with human emotions. He had every reasons to both advance his plan and destroy konoha in the same time. The village and at his head the Senju clan and their will of fire philosophy took him everything he got : all his brothers, his clanmen's trust, his reputation (remember he lost for the first time against Hashirama). From his personal perceptive, he made huge sacrifice for the village, he swallowed his desire for revenge against Tobirama, he trusted Hashirama which is a very difficult thing to him, he accepted to reconnect their old friendship. In a nutshell, He put himself in a very vulnerable position and in return he was again betrayed in his back (Senjus conversation about the hokage position and the Uchiha supposed curse). So I'm thinking if Izuna was the most precious to Madara, Konoha was the most precious to Hashirama (sorry Tobirama sorry Mito...😬). There is a song saying : hurt people hurt people. What a better way to make Hashirama pays than destroying what he cherishes the most? And that will join the databook statement :

"Madara’s hatred was split between (two entities): Hashirama, because of his incompatible dreams, and also towards the village of Konoha. He then unfolded [incidents] upon Hashirama by attacking the village on multiple occasions."

notice that they precise the incidents were especially directed toward Hashirama. He feels also that it was on purpose :

Let me add that Madara loves challenging Hashirama. I have to insert this article on why men and even more martial artist bonds throught rough and tumble play (thanks @kosmickash btw) Madara proves it during the 4th shinobi war, while his timing was really tight, he didn't resist fighting Hashirama a last time before launching the Infinite Tsukuyomi. So maybe... attacking Konoha and provoking Hashirama in battle was the only time he could feel some joy since the rest of his life was void and loneliness.

this fan translation is a bit extreme, in the official manga translation I got he said : "I can't wait to compete against you"

But lastly there is also the Konoha propaganda, I share it for the sake of sharing but none of them are pertinent since they come from Professional liar number 1 Itachi and Professional liar number 2 Obito. Both of them mix informations to serve their own interest : influence Sasuke to act a certain way.

For Itachi

Obito who at least heard the story from Madara himself but still modify it depending of his own plan.

I think I've alluded to all hypothesis, up to your own sensibility to incline to some ideas. in my opinion Madara at this moment of his life was torn between two sides : instauring a real peace and being the most powerful one. The run for power and the thrill of competition was starting to take over his first principle. It is shown many times in the serie than when he's focus on a battle or a goal nothing counts anymore but winning. He's the perfect definition of fire element, he doesn't care that his destroying landscapes and people's life along his way as long as he reaches his objective. So it's maybe possible that even if he actually wants to protect his clan, paradoxically he engages himself in situation that put all of them in grave danger. Old age seems to have teach him some wisdom :

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Hello (●’◡’●)ﾉ how are you. I was wondering what are your thoughts on madara and izuna in Itachis story of them killing their own clan member to unlock their Mangekyo sharingan because them killing their own family member seems a little to harsh like maybe this person was dying?

Hey Anon ! I'm fine, how are you too? First of all Itachi's story about Madara's life is 100% BS. He never met him, he basically repeats the urban legend he read on konoha's archives and maybe a twisted version from Obito ( he actually met Madara but him also used his story as he wished to serve his own agenda).

We know by Hashirama that it's after Izuna's death and later his disillusion about Konoha that Madara changed into this very cold blooded schemer. But before that he was basically a kind man, very protective of his brother, with a dream of peace. So we can guess he cared for his clansmen in general. In my opinion it's unlikely that he killed, at this moment of his life, a close companion just for power. And we know that Madara himself said that Izuna offered his eyes to protect the Uchihas.

Nothing coming from Itachi's mouth can be trusted, he asked Sasuke to kill his own friend but himself didn't awake his MS that way and he knows it. He just witnessed Shisui killing himself in front of him. It's not really hard considering the violent context of the warring state era that both Madara and Izuna might have witnessed the death of someone they care a lot : a parent? a lover? a friend? a child? I've read an HC also somewhere that maybe Madara and Izuna could have been forced to kill a companion (a traitor for instance). Like considering we don't know much about their lives, any scenario is possible.

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the whole Tobi never grew his hair out, how did they all think it was Madara. What if few people actually go to the Valley of the End, and so all the other images of Madara were removed from Konoha proper? For clan and Konoha to do that, wow. How does Itachi, clan heir, not immediately call bs, unless it's like a name in common use like Jesús? The latter seems dubious to me. To contrast that with the Hokage heads, that everyone knows what they look like

Oh if I understand well your question is how everyone really thought Tobi was Madara since he kept his hair short. Mmmh actually Obito grew his hair pretty long during the Kyubi's attack.

It was possible for Tobi/Obito to pass for Madara for three reasons :

1) The mask

2) the good imitation of his voice and his manners even if you can see here if you analyse how he talks in japanese that there is some differences in Madara and Obito speech pattern

3) The age gap : Between Naruto and Madara there is at least 5 or 6 generations. If I take as a time reference Naruto in part 1 : Founders are roughly 90 years old> Hiruzen generation 70 years old> Sannin Generation 50 years old> Minato/Fugaku Generation 40 years old?> Obito/Kakashi Generation 27 years old > Naruto Generation 12 years old.

Hiruzen, Danzo ect... were probably 10 years old when Madara definitely left the village. And when he reappeared during the valley of the end fight, I don't think as children they were in the frontline. They probably vaguely remember his face and surely never interact with him. All generations after him never saw his face or talk to him either (except Obito of course). Ok there is this gigantic statute in Valley of the end but in the map you can see it's quite a distant place from Konoha. it's the border with Oto land. It's not a familiar face like Hashirama's face that you can see everyday in Konoha. And remember the Founders era is supposes to be a very old time, so I guess there was very few images of Madara and even if it exists, considering he tried many time to destroy the village, those images most likely disappears. Sasuke genuinely didn't know who Madara was while he was the clan leader's son. So Probably anything about Madara's life was taboo and shameful for the clan, then untold.

Also it is implied that Madara already lost all his family and friends clansmen who knew him well just before he found Konoha. Then Madara left the village, three shinobi wars happened during this time so even the last generations who might have known him were definitely dead.

However there is one shinobi who shouldn't have been trick into Obito cosplaying Madara, it's Onoki. 79 years old in Part II, He's the only one still alive who actually talk to Madara when he was 16. but other than him, it's quite realistic to believe everyone including Itachi (who's not as bright as they tried to depict him) can be fooled.

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I'm so happy someone else comes up with the same theory I had long ago here !

The most plausible theory is that the egg is from Karin and the surrogate and the social mum is Sakura.

Ok now full Headcanon based on nothing but my wildest dreams. What if the father DNA might not be Sasuke? after all Oroshimaru and Kabuto collected many Uchiha DNA in the past. What if it was Madara?

If you remember Kabuto said during the war to Madara that they made theory that in order to get the rinnegan you need both Uchiha and Senju DNA. What if Sarada was a crash test? They had Madara DNA available please don't ask me how they got the King's holy seed... (Kabuto literally have his decomposed body ready to be edo tensei) and the closest to a Senju they had was Karin's egg ( Uzumaki are close related, same thing with Naruto). They just didn't know that they actually needed the present reincarnation of Indra and Ashura. So they realised it didn't work and left foetus-Sarada in a fridge for some years. and Oroshimaru is known to lost interest quickly like in Yamato's case.

Maybe one day Karin remembered that and helped Sakura "getting pregnant" that way. And Sasuke was forced to accept the situation. hence why the Sasuke/Sakura couple looks so miserable in every picture it's both a forced marriage and a forced parenting.

Is Sarada a clone?

When Sarada asks Sasuke if Sakura is really his mom (ch. 5) everybody is dumbfounded and Sasuke is frowning looking stressed? annoyed?

He stays quiet before asking if something had happened which is weird?

Compare Sasuke's reaction to being questioned on whether Sakura is Sarada's mom or not and Choji's reaction to Chouchou asking him if he is her dad.

For Choji that type of question is silly, but Sasuke refused to answer that same question about Sakura. He saw Sarada go on a rant and then told her what he had going on was none of her concern.

When Sakura arrives at the scene (ch. 6), she apologizes to Sarada for not explaining things. Then Sasuke interrupts her and attempts to start to explain things to Sarada before he is interrupted by an explosion, Sakura looks strangely stressed throughout all of Naruto Gaiden and this moment is no exception. Neither Sasuke nor Sakura can tell Sarada she's being silly with these stupid questions, at least not yet.

Then Kishimoto fixates on clones and genes and how parent-child relationships are not based on passing down the dna but rather the connection they form.

Something that I find peculiar is how when the father Shin starts talking about the conception of a child via selecting the best genes of both parents, Sakura gets incredibly offended, almost like she took it personally.

Also, Sakura sweats A LOT during Gaiden, in almost every panel she's sweating. But here Kishimoto gave her two sweat drops instead of the usual one.

Sasuke suspects and it's later confirmed that the shins come from Danzo's arm. So basically, Orochimaru has Uchiha genes at his disposal to make whatever experiments he wishes, including the Shins.

Rather than creating an exact clone that's just a copy of whatever Uchiha genes Orochimaru has, he was able to create more defective Uchihas with their own will and personality. Also the imagery Kishimoto uses placing Sarada right next to Shin dad and Shin son is so interesting.

However, when Orochimaru is talking about the time lag in their maturation I'm not 100% sure what he means. That's the ViZ translation and the Mangapanda translation is slightly different. From my interpretation it seems like the maturation refers to their skills, perhaps? and by skills I mean the Uchiha kekkei genkai, the Sharingan. The clones' genes are cultivated so it takes longer to mature/regrow as both translations suggest. Remember that it took Sarada way longer to awaken the Sharingan (12 years) than it would the usual Uchiha.

Then Sarada asks about non-clones, Sasuke remains suspiciously quiet. He could at any moment tell Sarada she's being silly with all these questions and yet he refuses to explain to her what's going on, when it's really that simple like Choji did "What are you talking about Sarada? Of course Sakura is your mother". Anyway, Orochimaru tells Sarada they can test it if she wants to but then Sasuke interrupts and says there's no time for that.

Sarada then asks Suigetsu to test her to see who her real mom is. And once again, Kishimoto usage of visual language and text is very interesting to me

When Suigetsu is looking for something that could hold Karin's DNA we get this flashback of her saying that her desk is a part of her body and then we see the umbilical cord that ended up belonging to Sakura and Sarada. Now, I might be reading to much into it here but I find that choice of words fascinating, the umbilical cord was in Karin's desk, the umbilical cord was in a part of Karin's body. I think Kishimoto is telling us here how involved Karin was in Sarada's conception.

When Sarada believes Sakura is not her mom Naruto gets upset that she acts like in order to be a family people need to be blood-related and tells her what actually makes a family is love bonds.

Naruto asks her to see inside her if she feels any love for Sakura and that's when Sarada realizes that she does indeed love Sakura, the woman who has raised her and taken care of her her entire life.

When Sarada cries, refers to Sakura as her mom and tells Naruto that she does care about Sakura and wants to save her Naruto responds that it doesn't matter whether they're related or not, as long as she cares for her, that's their real bond (Naruto is so lovely in Gaiden)

And it's only after Naruto's TED talk, Sakura's rescue and their final fight against the Shins that Sakura finally tells Sarada that she is indeed her child. Sarada responds that, yes, she is her child because they love each other which is how they are connected, no longer caring if they're biologically related which is interesting to say the least... Then, after hesitating a bit, Sasuke says that he is connected to Sakura simply because they have Sarada. Sarada is touched by this and cries but her parents look miserable. Also, no one seems to ever clarify to Sarada that the umbilical cord was Sakura's so there's that.

Anyway when we get to the finale of Naruto Gaiden we see Karin clarify that it was Sakura who carried Sarada and then she says something pretty curious.

Number one it's very funny how Karin thinks of Sakura as a friend because that feeling is not mutual LMFAO. But moving on, Karin talks about how the most important thing for her is Sasuke's happiness but how is Sasuke having a child with someone he dislikes and abandons helping him with his happiness? It certainly feels like Sakura was desperate to have something from Sasuke considering she chased after him and has the Uchiha crest plastered all over her house and clothes, maybe both Sakura and Karin remembered Sasuke mentioning he wanted to restore his clan and thought giving Sasuke a child would make him happy, but it backfired on them when Sasuke showed zero interest in that child probably because Sasuke wouldn't appreciate them using genes from his deceased family members for that shit.

Additionally, Kishimoto continues with the whole bonds-are-formed-through-more-than-just-blood-theme. Karin is also bonded to Sarada hence why we're shown the umbilical cord in her desk. These incessant reminders of the theme of Naruto Gaiden regarding a child that doesn't really know who her bio mom is, feel like Kishimoto is trying to tell the audience Sarada is not the product of a regular pregnancy.

If you've read Naruto Gaiden you know that Sasuke has never kissed Sakura but also that he doesn't allow her to touch him [LINK]. There's basically zero intimacy or romantic moments between the two of them in Gaiden, quite the opposite, Sasuke is hostile or apathetic towards Sakura [LINK] so I think we can assume Sasuke didn't have sex with Sakura and get her pregnant. Instead, Sarada could very possibly a product of a similar experiment like the Shins hence Karin's odd involvement in Sakura's pregnancy [LINK] and Sarada not being born in Konoha and there being zero records of her birth and Sasuke not being able to explain to Sarada what's going on, he never answers Sarada who her mom is and is always dodging her questions. On top of that, consider Kishimoto spending so much time of Naruto Gaiden writing about clones that aren't traditional clones but new individuals with their own personhood.

Add to that how Naruto had no idea about anything that was going on with Sarada's parentage and it pisses him off but he's not gonna put Sasuke on blast in front of an already dismayed Sarada

What's up to debate then, is whether Sakura went through gestational surrogacy or traditional surrogacy. If it the pregnancy was a gestational surrogacy, then the egg is not Sakura's and someone else is the biological mother, possibly Karin hence the "my desk is my body" and "bonds come in all sort of shapes" comments and the umbilical cord being in her desk. If the pregnancy was a traditional surrogacy then the egg is Sakura and she is the bio mother.

The placenta and umbilical cord belonging to Sakura, which is confirmed in Gaiden, is not proof that the egg was hers so we really don't know for sure that she is Sarada's bio mom. I find it bizarre that Kishimoto didn't give a contundent confirmation that Sakura was the biological mom and instead kept it open to interpretation.

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I THINK YOU HAVE A DIRECT 5G CONNEXION WITH KISHIMOTO!!!!😭���😯😯 It makes completely sense why he seemed passive for about 60 years while he is canonically an hyperactive. He was indeed probably living his best life... in his genjutsu! Obito thought he was sleeping...no bro he was HIGH AF. He just made a break for telling you how to fix the broken shinobi world.

....... Absolute crack theory. Based on nothing except my own headcanons about Madara and his personality. But actually I think I'm so right and correct.

Here we go:

Madara spent whole decades wasting away in the cavern until he unlocked the rinnegan. Nobody knows what he did. I think he spent it inside a genjutsu he put himself under. I think that man single-handled did the test drive for the Eternal Tsukuyomi on himself.

(and he got pulled out of it by the rinnegan of course)

If Itachi can speed run married life with Izumi, then Madara could do the same for his own idealised version of the life he wished for.

And a big part of me thinks that he did it because he thought Zetsu's faked stone tablet was a fluke at first. (Since the rinnegan didn't immediately unlock) It would make sense if he felt defeated at that moment. He just barely escaped the encounter with Hashirama, had to sacrifice an eye to fake his own death. He knew that he couldn't try to grab more of his flesh, not with only one eye. So maybe...he tried to make the best of it. Put himself under a genjutsu and live in a "better world". But since he can't pass off the chance that something still happens, he stays alive. Just in case. Just for that little chance. And then it does happen, the rinnegan unlocks, rudely rips him out of his dream, and he has to leave his perfect little world to bring the same kind of peace to everyone else.

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The Founders : Astrology Masterlist

Birth chart, headcanon

Madara Uchiha => read here

+ read more analysis of Madara by @mistresssofdarkness let's go deeper into his houses placements

Hashirama Senju => read here

Tobirama Senju => read here

Izuna Uchiha (by @mistresssofdarkness )

Izuna throught Madara's birth chart

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Ma'am are you 200 years old or what?😅 Please share your healthcare routine.

She's been sewing the hokage cloak since the first hokage to Naruto. Well I guess that's a warring state era character I've never thought before !