#fictives posting about themselves

[ink-wells-and-feathers]

today's headcanon time with Ink is that Grant used to have verbal shut downs (thank you for helping me find the right word for this when I asked!!) especially after the events of season one.

[owlmansion]

not a winter enjoyer, for the record, the ship being sapphic just makes it pass the vibe check lmao

– ena, she/he

[lovelyrotter]

STILL feeling like the only fictive on this site whos really fuckin uncomfortable with other fictives talking about generally-to-really-personal shit and *tagging it with ships* like please. please stop. i want to look at davedirk in peace without some random guy running into the room yelling HEY YOURE LOOKING AT ME ACTUALLY. like bro i get it i am also ''a dave'' but im just a fuckin guy first. person first fictive 3rd tbh

[us-the-voices-and-more-voices-2]

me: I love writing about characters from fiction and my own characters <3

The characters: hello

Me: THE ACTUAL FUCK WHY ARE YOU HERE

[multiplicity-positivity]

Here’s some positivity for systems with lots of introjects from the same source!

Most introjects are unable to choose their source. We often can’t help when multiple introjects from the same source show up in our system! Even if introjects in your own collective are consciously created by another headmate, there’s nothing wrong with having many of them share the same source. This post is for systems who find themselves in this situation!

🎵 Shoutout to autistic systems whose special interests lead them to form new introjects easily (be it of characters, band members, content creators, OCs, or anyone else)!

🌟 Shoutout to those who have the whole cast of a movie, show, book, video game, or series as headmates in their system!

☁️ Shoutout to systems who split new headmates easily for any reason, which leads to them having many introjects from the same source in their collective!

✨ Shoutout to systems who consciously create many headmates as introjects from the same source!

🎵 Shoutout to introjects from the same source who share exomemories or remember each other from their source material!

🌟 Shoutout to systems who sometimes feel weird, ashamed, or cringe for having lots of introjects from the same source!

☁️ Shoutout to systems with lots of introjects from a source which triggers them, they don’t enjoy anymore, or is tied to bad memories!

✨ Shoutout to systems with ADHD who split lots of introjects due to their hyperfixations!

🎵 Shoutout to gateway systems with many introjects from the same source who are walk-ins or visitors!

For systems of all sorts, it’s okay to have lots of introjects from the same source within your collective. Having many introjects from the same source is not a bad thing, and it doesn’t mean you are faking your plurality or that your system is any less valid than anyone else’s. You are loved and your system is loved just the way it is! Each and every one of your system’s introjects deserves to be cherished, affirmed, and uplifted, regardless of their source.

We hope you as an introject and as a collective can find peace, happiness, and self-acceptance in your future. Rest assured, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having many introjects, be them factives, fictives, faitives, songtives, objectives, or anything else, from the same source. We care about you, your system members care about you, and we’re wishing you all the very best in all that you do!

[thaltro]

this ask is a free pass to talk abt did/osdd as much as you want 👍

I love these free passes..thank you..please give me more 🫶🏽

Spending my pass on a rant about the online perception of DID/OSDD

One thing I find interesting is the concept of fake claiming and how that’s affected the community. In 2020 there was a large increase in mental health “awareness” online- mass vague posting of common symptoms and connecting it to larger disorders. This eventually lead to a lot of people misdiagnosing themselves with DID/OSDD. And Contrary to popular belief, I actually think most misdiagnosing was in good faith- younger teens for the first time connecting to disassociation, maladaptive day dreaming, emotional swings, PTSD, and derealization- and genuinely believing they had it. It’s more likely they had more common disorders like maybe Bpd, DDD, depression, psychosis- because there is a huge overlap in symptoms. (It’s also important to note it was also a huge awakening for actual systems too- because I’m definitely not saying everyone who had did/osdd in 2020 was misdiagnosed, in a lot of cases people were right!)

Buttttt

The internets reaction to this wasn’t with reeducation or kindness or even respectful criticism- it created a whole list of “faking signs”. I personally think the people who misdiagnosed themselves harmed the community much less then the people pushing for constant fakeclaiming. And now these arbitrary concepts plague actual systems pushing them into a deeper denial and opening them up to waves of unwanted harassment. Like ok, here’s some common misconceptions you’ll see (all the ones I’m listing are just bullshit and are contradicted with actual medical research)

-Systems can’t have fictives

-Systems can’t unmask

-Systems can’t have littles

-Systems can’t have factives

-Systems can’t have internal relationships

-Systems can’t have high amnesia

-Systems can’t have rapid switches

-Systems can’t have faceclaims or go by different genders/sexualities

ALL OF THIS IS BULLSHIT! None of these actually are backed up with medical research! And the worst part is I see groups of people just harass normal systems who show these normal symptoms and constantly fakeclaim them. I see cringe compilations, r/fake disorder cringe, tik toks, and video essays just spewing this nonsensical shit and it genuinely hurts. (It’s SO ANNOYING when they say shit like “people who do this hurt actual systems” YOUR HURTING ACTUAL SYSTEMS SHUT UP 😭) but Yes I do think there are people out their who do fake this disorder and use it to hurt and manipulate people. But I don’t think that’s the majority of misdiagnosed people. Even if someone was wrong I think it’s safer to just ignore them then to spread misinformation about DID/OSDD and encourage the possible harm onto genuine systems. (Also being wrong and admitting you are wrong is fine)

But yeah I’ll end my rant by saying If you support this weird online fakeclaiming witch hunts then I don’t want to associate with you. And to the self diagnosed systems or suspecting systems, it’s incredibly hard being in that position- harassment is almost guaranteed online and that sucks. Self diagnosis is valid especially if you can’t afford DID specialists- however with that statement If you do self diagnosis its necessary to do research. Don’t look at plural pedia or random websites- I recommend reading the DSM and The haunted self (it explains the fundamentals of structural dissociation)

PDF for the actual book ^^ (it’s also good for self diagnosed systems because it can help you weed out any other possible disorder overlap with BPD and PTSD)

But yeah 🙁 sorry for the rant I’m just really frustrated with the current climate of the internet especially for systems.

[sysmedsaresexist]

Something about that last post just really fucking irked me.

Normalize asking questions about your experiences and things you're not clear on

Yesterday, I had to ask some friends a question.

Any uterus having people that have had the electro therapy on their back-- very specific but Google isn't helping

Can the electricity on the lower back cause a period???

Wow, fucking cringe, what a faker, doesn't even know how her own uterus works, how do you make it this far in life and not know this stuff, FAKE UTERUS

I was so embarrassed to ask. I was scared, too.

And yet, I got an answer that I hadn't been able to find on my own.

Yes, it can happen.

Nice!

Well, first off, A, thank God I'm not hurt or dying, that's a relief. B, no one laughed. C, this shit isn't common knowledge.

Even if you think it's obvious, it's not.

Things can be related in the weirdest ways, and sound totally strange at first, and they turn out to be totally normal experiences.

What is dissociation?

Doctors say it's super complicated to understand, don't worry, you're not alone.

What's the difference between normal and pathological dissociation?

Oh, boy, let's sit down for this one.

What's the difference between trauma and abuse?

Fantastic question, first, are you doing okay? Second, it's complicated.

Could these two symptoms be related?

FUCKING PROBABLY, let's talk about it.

All these overgeneralized, sweeping statements, made under the guise of "correcting misinformation," and really only trying to prove people wrong instead of educate, hurt other people with that thing.

"Your doctor is ALWAYS right," fuck you, no they're not. "They know you better than you know yourself." Ohhh, fuck no, that's dangerous. "You MUST fit the criteria 😤."

The criteria:

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP?

Because you're failing spectacularly at doing any kind of good for the community you want to "help".

You lost the point so hard that your posts are now actively dangerous to people with CDDs that don't think clinically enough for you. You lost the point when you use papers that directly contradict each other over basic facts, and don't even realize it in your rush to be "right".

"Trust your doctor 100%," about any other disorder, would get you instantly canceled. Are you overweight? A POC? A woman? Trans? A combination? Well, you're fucked.

You, yourself, have probably never thought that.

So why did you say it?

Who cares what they're calling themselves, who cares whether the term is clinical, are they getting the help and support they need? Can we help clarify anything for them?

Using a people focused approach in therapy is totally fine, THIS HAS NEVER BEEN AN ISSUE. It may be a doctor-focused issue, but it's not a treatment issue. In other words, for every doctor that prefers a parts focused approach, there's one that'll use a people focused approach just fine, if that's what you want to do. Good job getting into therapy, congrats! That's what's important.

"Fictives," are so well documented that complaining about them is laughable.

Alters can take years to come forward after events, and may latch onto a character years after their actual formation. Who cares if the person can pinpoint the cause, or if they don't even care enough to try, are they getting the help and support they need???

Instead of saying, "that's impossible," let's start asking, "how can I help?"

Instead of saying, "your opinion is wrong," let's address actual misinformation. Talk to pro/endos about the trauma basis of DID. That matters a fuck ton more than whatever you're arguing about.

Instead of laughing at people who don't know things, learn to socialize and present corrections in a pleasant conversation. God forbid you're seen "being nice," to the other side.

As a very good friend said, better than I ever could, this whole "prioritizing research always over listening to others' lived experiences" is just the plural version of "academic theory on queer experiences is most important." You need both.

Many things can be true, all at the same time. Opinions are onions, they all make me cry or whatever the saying is. Single research papers should never be used generally. If you put all the papers together, anything is possible. This paper doesn't specifically talk about that thing so it's not possible.

Another paper, just a click away:

Are people happy, healthy, and feeling supported in their life?

Fantastic, that's what matters.

This blog is open to basic questions that people are scared to ask. I would also highly recommend sending @cdd-safe-haven those kinds of questions. It's completely unrelated to syscourse, hopefully the information will help more people.

[ceruleanterrapin]

Imposter Syndrom

A comic about fictives who feel the same as their source, yet not similar enough to it at the same time

Of course, many fictives may not see themselves as their source at all, and that's okay! This post is just about those of us who do see ourselves as our source, but also struggle to cope with the differences we have from our source selves Many times fictives lack the physical, mental, and other skills that their source may have had. Perhaps as a fictive you don't identify with the same gender, sex, or sexual orientation as your source. Hell, maybe you just even like a different flavor of cupcake to them. Whatever the case may be, this post is a reminder that you don't have to try to be exactly like your source. You're free to be your own individual person; no one will see you as less. And if they do? Then that's their own problem. You're not just based off a fictional character, you're an actual person with your own set of traits and capabilities. Don't look down on them because they may not be exactly the same as you hoped. Enjoy what makes you unique

- Leo

[aernthetransfrormer]

Identity Debates #4 Radqueers

I'm going to be making a few posts about "controversial identities" I want to here argument both for and against it. You don't personally have to believe the argument, just something you've hear/come up with. Also, this is the last post. :)))

The main reason I'm against rad queers is because a large part of them support MAPS/YAPS as if they're not just pedophiles. I'm also kinda offended by transabled, transabuse, etc people because I actually have those expirience it, I don't understand why anyone would want to transPTSD. I don't have PTSD, but I do have trauma. It's kinda offensive to be like, "I wish I went through that :c" No. YOU. DO. NOT. Being transharmful is worse in my opinion, Just because YOU SHOULD NEVER WANT TO HARM ANYONE!!!! You can be trans age I guess because you agere, transspecies, BUT WHY TRANSHARMFUL? THE WORST PART IS I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PEOPLE TRANSITION AND PURPOSFULLY HARM PEOPLE! I sometimes tell myself it can't be that much of a large part of the community, but it's so much it's still bad imo

The only thing I am okay with is trans race adopted people/anyone who's family is a different race so they celebrate things and act like people of a race they weren't born into. I do have a problem though with people who are transrace just because they think it's cool. As a Mexican, it's kinda racist??? You can celebrate the holidays, enjoy the food, and everything else without becoming the other race. None of them should try to physically change themselves though. Just like I said in my other posts, I don't have a problem with the cringe part of it, just those offensive and objectively terrible parts. Being transspecies is like being alterhuman. Who really cares? I don't care about those parts, but there's so much bad I am against radqueers. The argument that they aren't hurting anyone doesn't even work because they are being discriminatory AND SUPPORT PEDOS???

I would say # Rad queers interact! but I'm gonna trigger way to many people into pointless arguments. If you aren't VERY triggered, please tell me anything you have heard about supporting radqueers. You don't nesacarily have to agree with it though. Edit: A few people have responded and I am understanding a bit more why people are radqueer. I still don't think it's that good though, not THAT bad either though. 1. I still believe transharmful is bad because you should never want to harm anyone. 2. I know paraphilias are something people actually struggle with and they deserve support, but they shouldn't be celebrated. At least not in the way like LGBTQ+ is. 3. I do mostly agree with at least what most people have responded with. 4. do understand using transID for introjects who want to be more like their source, but I personally believe it's best to separate from your source. Having wayyyy to many Wilbur fictives, me (host) and all of them have had some existential crisis from not understanding whether or not I am the source. (obviously no but its still stressful) 5. I still don't understand transdisorder/transable. I understand why people use them, but I still don't think it's good most of the time. It's still offensive imo. This is because wishing you had it worse isn't something to be proud of, it's kind of an insult towards people struggling with those things. YOU CAN EXPIRIENCE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU IDENTIFY AS RADQUEER BUT ITS NOT ALWAYS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF! specifically paraphillias, transrace, transdisorder, and transabled. You can expirience them and I agree we shouldn't have stigmas against paraphilias, but you shouldn't be proud of it (at least like LGBTQ+ is)

btw, I wouldn't consider radqueers as LGBTQ+ because LGBTQ is about struggling with gender and/or sexual and romantic orientation but radqueers don't have to do with either

ANOTHER EDIT :0 Radqueers... aren't actually that bad. Thank you to everyone who answered. Tbh, I'm mostly neutral on it in like half the cases lol. As long as it isn't hurting anyone, YAY! lol idk what to say I'm not against radqueer identities, I just personally think there are better options. like 70% of it is alright and the rest is... eh, kinda bad? I think transharm identies are okay but I still don't really know about trans race, transabled, and other things that are kinda biggoted. I understand why people use the labels, but I don't think it's right? Idk if that makes sense. I think it's better to just accept yourself first.

[habitsbf]

why do you guys not take a literal groomer in the slenderverse fandom seriously?? maria is a PREDATOR. this isnt funny, nor is she your friend. she wants you to fulfill her weird fantasies about HABIT. she targets people who associate themselves with HABIT (kinnie, irl, fictive, etc) specifically for that reason. this shit isnt just "cringe", this is fucking dangerous because she has groomed MULTIPLE minors. MULTIPLE. how can you just sit back and giggle while you watch her prey on CHILDREN???? im genuinely so fucking irritated because no matter how often she gets posted about, people will not take it seriously. SHE. IS. DANGEROUS. SHE TRIES TO GET MINORS TO TALK SEXUALLY WITH HER WHILE PRETENDING TO BE HABIT. ITS SO FUCKING WEIRD AND VILE. im sick of this fandom oh my god guys come on. she quite literally lied recently and was claiming some random kid in the fandom was her boyfriend. get a fucking grip.

[maryland-officially]

Ok I'm genuinely confused here so don't be mean please. All of this is /genq /nbr

I have a dissociation disorder and I'm questioning plurality (I would be considered traumagenic if I am 1). From my understanding of systems, they're formed through trauma that happens before the age of ten. The brain puts up amnesia barriers and the child's personality doesn't form correctly, so multiple alters are formed instead.

Endos confuse me. They're systems that say they somehow did this without trauma? How do they fit into this? Like, I want to be supportive but some of the rhetoric I've seen genuinely pushed me into a panic attack once (it was a post saying basically you can just make headmates whenever if you want and for fun, you don't need trauma or anything which I think made me upset cos... Why would someone want to be a system and how could they view it as a whole as fun?? & the idea you could just manifest it out of thin air confuses me deeply)

I'm sorry if you don't want asks like this but you're a relatively big blog and I've just seen you say you support endos so I figured you'd be a good person to ask.

Explanation below cut because it got long ^^

Ah, well. Most, if not like all endogenic systems, are non-disordered or use that term.

Endogenic systems can form in many different ways -- we're traumagenic, but we're pretty sure there are some endo alters, and we usually find them by talking into the void of the brain and getting a response that isn't from somebody established-- I'm sorry, this isn't very helpful, but think about it like:

Talking to yourself in your brain, and then suddenly you realize that you do not in fact control the person/alter replying, and that is not you. That's kind of what it's like.

Think of a cave:

At first, you think the echo is yourself. And it probably is, or it could be. And then the echo doesn't say what you say anymore -- it changes it and it isn't exactly 'you' speaking. Well the brain is the cave and the echo is a headmate forming.

This is the way that WE know about when alters form. It's a bit like this. We/a member thinks that we/they're thinking to our/themselves, and then bam. somebody different. not formed from stress or trauma

I'm sure there are other ways this could happen,, but none that we know of

so instead of uhm

I've seen this diagram/things like it to describe DID + plurality, so I'll explain with this.

This is an adult brain

This is a child's brain

This is the child's brain developing

With this model, DID (from what I've seen,,) looks like this.

The circles spread out, and might combine into large circles between themselves but not a full one as the brain develops

I'm not sure how accurate this model is, but I've seen people use it to describe DID. This is a sort of simplified version that makes more sense but is probably less detailed

Anyway let's say an endogenic systems starts as a large circle -- though,, this might not always be correct and is probably not majorly correct, since brains take a while to develop (im so sorry if this diagram is confusing. The circles are supposed to resemble child's thoughts/personality traits and how they assemble into a person. Or at least i think--)

Well anyway, an endogenic systems would look like this in my brain:

A part of the person kind of drifts off into its own thing

And then it might turn out like this

Sometimes there's a piece that there's no way to know where came from. They just kind of appear. They might have dropped from the brain, who knows? It can be hard to tell.

These can be fictives, or other alters.

Anyway this is my take/diagram on how endo systems form. It's probably inaccurate, but hopefully we got it mostly right ;;

[ink-wells-and-feathers]

writing a Dood and Henry centeric fic if you're curious

[sysboxes]

Uhhh hey, just so you guys know, in the show 'Invader Zim', Dib Membrane is a child and Zim is an adult. The Dib/Zim ship is pedophilic, and two boxes were created for it. I don't know if you guys support child-adult relationships or not, but I think you should know about this and that it's deeply uncomfortable to see that be created/posted here.

Learning time!

1. These boxes were made about fictives. A fictive’s source’s maturity does not matter; they are not their source. Body age of the actual individuals in a relationship is what matters.

2. Furthermore, fictives may not even be the same age as their source. They don’t have to adhere to all the traits of their source and can even change perceptions of aspects of themselves as the system gets further along in recovery.

3. This point matters a lot less than the other two, but I’d figured I’d include it anyways. I have not seen the show, but according to other mods, Zim is an alien who ages differently than humans. He is of around the same mental maturity as Dib.

The takeaway is introjects are not their sources, and we would appreciate those who send us asks like this or similar understanding that.

[hiiragi7]

Final Fusion with Introjects

Throughout the time that I was a more, well, multiple multiple (ie, prior to final fusion), I don't think I ever really thought of myself as "introject heavy" (though I did have many introjects). My introjects were "source-un/attached" to varying degrees, from being completely unattached to being very attached to a lot of things in the middle.

Personally, I had never really thought much about what would happen to these introject identities once I had fused (either fully or partially). As I fused more, I noticed the introjects in my system growing more into themselves and, naturally, away from viewing themselves solely as their sources. This isn't to say all of my introjects stopped identifying with source entirely, however; in fact, one of the last handful of seperated parts in my system prior to final fusion was still at least somewhat source-identified at the time of the last few fusions.

What I have noticed, post-fusion, is that those introject identities all went somewhere, flowed into me, in their own ways. For introjects of people I've known (ie abuser introjects and introjects of people close to me), it's become "behaviors/traits/language I got from [xyz person]". For fictives, it's become a way of understanding myself through fictional media; Why I related to these characters so deeply and why my parts took on these identities.

I can definitely say that I do still identify with, in some way, all of the introject identities my individual parts took on - just the same as I still identify with the identities of my individual parts who did not have an introject identity. However, it is in a much different way from how it was pre-fusion; My identity as a whole is not that of an introject. To me, that would be no different from identifying as individual parts, anyway. (I acknowledge, of course, it is different for everyone; this is just how it is for me.)

Instead, what it's like now is more along the lines of "wow, I really relate to this," "the connection I have to this [character/person/media] is a really important part of me," "this influenced my sense of self a lot".

I wouldn't know if it's similar or not to how non-multiples experience these sorts of connections; I don't tend to be one for those sorts of comparisons. It is a lot different, however, from how I experienced it prior to final fusion. I personally haven't seen any others talking about this subject and had some thoughts on how it's been for me.

[am-i-the-asshole-official]

AITA for writing a fic about a character who a plural friend has a fictive of in a way I know they wouldn't like?

I (25 he/him) have a friend (27 they/them) who is a system. I am a singlet, and there's a lot I don't understand, but I adopt an approach of being chill and respectful and educating myself as much as I can. My friend has a fictive in their system who is from a media property that I write fic for. This character is an antagonist in canon, but the fictive is not like that and my friend talks a lot about how much it sucks that fandom hates him and writes him being a villain. They especially have complained about fandom writing fics where this character's behaviour is more serious or violent than his behaviour in canon. A lot of 'I would not fucking say that' kind of comments.

I am writing a fic for this fandom where this character is the villain. It's nothing beyond what he did in canon, but he is very much the bad guy, and I lean into him being the bad guy. I have mentioned the fic to my friend in the past, BEFORE I knew about this fictive, but I did not mention this character's role in the fic. I am sure that they're going to see it when I post it, though, and I think it's extremely possible they might be upset at me for writing about this character in this way.

Why I think I might not be the asshole: Fictives and the source material character are not the same and I know that. I am not treating them like the same thing, and I know the character and my friend's headmate are not one and the same. I also can't imagine a situation in which I would find someone being mad about this a reasonable reaction. Also, this character is canonically an antagonist who has done terrible things. I'm not interested in discourse over liking villains or having fictives of villains. I only mention this because it is relevant to the context of my writing a fic in which he is a villain, because that is his canonical role, and I'm not changing anything or going out of my way to make him a bad guy, I am merely continuing the canon depiction of how he treats people and the things he does.

Why I think I might be the asshole: This IS a close friend, and I know they read my work, even if we don't usually talk about it. I just know they read what I post, and know that they would see that I'd written this. They have said seeing this character being the bad guy in fics bums them out and upsets them. Seeing several posts recently from people who have fictives in their systems or from fictives themselves about how 'I would not fucking say that' or 'I would never do that' - or otherwise complaining about characterization of the character they're a fictive of, positing that they're an authority because they Are That Character - has me on edge also, because I get very in my head about characterization and whether I should or shouldn't be writing something a lot.

So. AITA for writing this?

What are these acronyms?

[multiplicity-positivity]

Here’s some positivity for fictives who know little to nothing about their source!

There is no one right way for introjects to think, feel, or behave. Not all introjects, including fictives, know much or anything about their source, and that’s okay! This post goes out to all the fictives out there who know little to nothing about their source!

🐚 Shoutout to fictives who are aware of their source’s name and/or appearance, but nothing else!

🌊 Shoutout to fictives who aren’t even sure of the name of the work of fiction which they are sourced from!

🌾 Shoutout to fictives who know very little about their source, but still feel connected to it and identify strongly with it!

🐚 Shoutout to fictives who have complex or extensive exomemories despite having never engaged with their source!

🌊 Shoutout to fictives who have never interacted with their source directly, but know someone who has!

🌾 Shoutout to fictives who have no interest in learning more about their source!

🐚 Shoutout to fictives who feel triggered by their source and cannot engage with it for their own health and safety!

🌊 Shoutout to fictives whose source is inaccessible to them for any reason!

🌾 Shoutout to fictives who are hoping to learn more about their source one day!

🐚 Shoutout to fictives who consider themselves to be sourceless or without a source at all!

🌊 Shoutout to fictives who formed due to another headmate’s special interest or hyperfixation, but have never interacted with their source themselves!

All fictives are wonderful and are deserving of happiness, peace, and respect just the way they are. It’s okay for fictives to know little to nothing about their source - it doesn’t make them wrong or a bad fictive in any way! You are allowed to have agency over your source and how you choose to connect with it. If you prefer to keep your source at arm’s length, if you are comfortable living life without engaging with your source, or if you simply just don’t know much about your source, that’s all fine!

What matters most is that you are finding safety and joy in your own life in ways that are beneficial for you. What works for one fictive may not work for you, and there is nothing wrong with this! Your life and your decisions are just as important as the lives and decisions of any other system member. Whether or not you choose to engage with your source in the future, we hope it can be done on your own terms and in ways that are helpful for you. Know that we’re rooting for you in all that you do! Thanks so much for reading, and take care!