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The wildest part about being a system and having known you are a system for a while (6+ years for us) HAS to be seeing people who are just figuring it out fall into holes that you've long left behind.
Like. Yeah. We also thought we needed to keep tabs on everyone to increase communication. In the end it became too unwieldy. Especially since DID evolves with what you experience all the time.
Microlabels are cool and I fully support anyone who uses them, but figuring out what to call every single structure in your system isn't for us anymore.
Another thing we notice is people who try their best to know who is fronting at all given times. A lot of that comes naturally to us nowadays, but it's also... OK not to know. Especially if you're not focusing on anything system related at the time.
I guess a lot of this boils down to, it's okay not to care. It's okay to go with the flow of things and figure out at your own pace. Identity is fluid, especially if you have a dissociative disorder. You don't HAVE to have everything figured out 100% of the time.
It's okay to take it slow. It's okay to not know. It's okay to just exist for a bit. It's okay to live and experience things beyond being a system.
To all the people who are just starting to comprehend this. You do not need to know and label exactly what is happening in your head all the time. Fuck, we sure don't. And we're happier for it.
It's okay to just be you.
#dissociative identity disorder#DID system#did osdd#systemhood#plurality#plural stuff#hi. icebreaker for this blog#this isn't a disk horse blog btw#I just have some thoughts about how newbie systems tend to approach stuff#no hate to anyone
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The single meanest thing Iâll say about Oliver is that I think he seems a little upset that Buck has a love interest a good portion of the audience likes and heâs not used to sharing the spotlight in that way.
#disk horse#itâs the way he said âBuck is looking for love internally and externallyâ#like?#yeah we know heâs been doing that for 6 years and we thought he was FINALLY DONE#thatâs a GOOD THING#THE SHOW WONT LAST FOREVER#ITS GOOD THAT BUCK MIGHT HAVE A HUSBAND SOON
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The conversation around AI once again proving that for most people the conversation around laziness/ableism is entirety performative activism, and that they'll abandon their stated beliefs to unquestioningly repeat "common sense" norms about work ethic as soon as they feel someone doesn't "deserve" that they ignore them (interacting with AI being one of those reasons).
The vile ableism that comes out as soon as you scratch an anti-AI activist is truly eye opening.
yeah its just ugh. there are very few things that make me see red like people throwing around words like "lazy" and "incompetent." and over something that is, frankly, inconsequential. oh nooo someone else is doing art wrong.
i try to be open minded to people's concerns, but i'd be a lot more willing to listen to anti-ai arguments if they didn't just sound like my shitty christian school teachers growing up.
#disk horse /#saw a post a while back that had some shit about the catholic church hating ai#and people responded with that one lotr meme like 'i never thought id die fighting side by side with a catholic'#and its like. HEY. HEY MAYBE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER WHY YOU ARE AGREEING WITH CATHOLICS ON THIS ONE.
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We need to bring kindness back to fandom.
We need to stop judging people based on who they ship or who they stan.
We need to stop treating others like they're stupid and exasperating for bringing up "old news" when they are new to the fandom and for them it's all new.
We need to go back to ship and let ship. It never should have come to proship and anti. People didn't used to harass and judge others for who they shipped.
We need to go back to quietly filtering the tags we don't want to see, not scroll through the content we hate and then attack people who love that content.
We need to stop accusing people of being a pedophile because of who they ship. The only thing tha makes you a pedo, is being an adult who is attracted to prepubescent children. Adults attracted to teenagers (post pubescent) are hebephiles. Stop calling hebephilia, pedophilia. It does more harm than good and waters down the severity of the words.
We need to stop being ageist. The amount of ageism in fandom now is disgraceful. Teens and young adults constantly judging older adults and trying to push them out of fandom is so wrong. Who do you think gives y'all the most content? Adults. Stop acting like 30 years old is ancient. One day you'll be 30, it's not that old, seriously.
We need to stop acting like minors and adults can't be friends because "they have nothing in common and it's creepy." Their shared interest is fandom! Fandom elders used to be treated as the coolest people in the fandom, and now they are treated like they are intruding on the spaces they made.
We need to stop with minors openly engaging with NSFW content. Stop following people who have "no minors" on their page. Stop openly engaging with adult content because you may not get in trouble, but the adult could.
We need to stop ignoring fandom etiquette. It's there for a reason. Going into tags of what you hate isn't healthy for you and it's annoying to the people who like those tags. Making a post about hating a certain ship? Don't tag that ship, use "anti [insert ship name here]".
We need to stop demonizing DDDNE (dead dove do not eat). Whether it's there to warn about triggering content or there to emphasize that you're getting exactly what was said you'll get, it's there to not only protect the author, but the reader as well.
We need to stop accusing people of things they are clearly not. Accusations of racism, especially towards poc, is not only hurtful, but it's constantly used for when someone doesn't like a character that is a poc because other reasons to not like a character is just apparently not thought of anymore.
We need to stop judging other people's headcanons. Headcanons are there for us to enjoy.
We need to stop insulting each other and each other's art and writing in fandom. Don't like don't read. Move along and check out something you do like.
We need to stop with making everything about a ship or character you hate and spreading said hate throughout the fandom. It really isn't cool to have pages dedicated to hating characters and ships. It's not edgy, it's sad.
We need to stop trying to control how people perceived what they read and watch. We are all different, we all won't see things exactly the same due to our life experiences and how our minds work.
Fandom is supposed to be an escape from the world, to have fun, and to meet others who are interested in the same things.
All this hate and discourse makes everything unpleasant. End the cycle that started less than a decade ago. Fandom can go back to being just being fun and not a morality contest.
#fuji rants#fandom#fandom discourse#fandom drama#fandom discussion#fandom disk horse#fandom rant#fandom related#proship#anti#fandom etiquette#fandom experience#fandom thoughts#fandom things#fandom takes#fandom issue#fandom is for fun#fandom in a nutshell#fandom opinions#fandom posting#fandom problems#fandom stuff#fandom spaces#fandom hypocrisy#fandom harassment#fandom culture#fandom criticism#fandom vent#fandom bullshit#fandom bs
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https://x.com/_allthatglitz/status/1865767505974960216 these charles fans need a wake up call. like are they not familiar with idk cota 2018? p18 to p2? no sc? one second away from the lead? max been delivering these kind of performances since he was a 20 year old like... he is not HIM..

Here's the twt for ref. Dont usually reply to asks about 'controversial' f1twt nonsense because like .. there's a reason p0sts like these are contained to Elons stanford experiment but I am familiar wid this person and wud like to discuss her twt further because I find it very puzzling and telling of something some sharl fans shud prolly work up the courage to confront and then like. Find peace or whtvr
Sara here a sharl fan like me. Theres a lot she believes about his qualities as a driver that I do as well. Shes fully convinced he cud be a multiple wdc winner, as am I, and that its a matter of car and personnel for it to happen. Nothing that he lacks has to do wid his lack of legacy so far. I agree wid all of that. So when I saw ur ask and read that twt my first reaction wasnt to be angry just . Puzzled. For somebody whos obvi such a strong believer in sharls' skill to think that a race like Abu Dhabi has anything to do wid Brazil.. How shud I put this, its kind of insulting. To Sharl. Like if u think these drives are in any way comparable that says more about u think Sharls limits are than what makes a drive 'the best'. Sharl hasnt had the machine, the pressure, the conditions or the narrative to complete a turn around like Brazil. But lets put Max's Brazil aside for now, and focus on Abu Dhabi, since thats whats being claimed as the performance that 'stole the race of the season'.
Ferrari arrived in Yas Marina ready to make a final stand, and , extraordinarily, still showing the pace to do so. Mclarens setup was akin to a sentient Dyson wid evil powers, but Ferrari had 2 drivers wid strong AD precedents and Mclaren , wid all due respect, pistachio my most beloved, did not. After dominating fp1, it became evident in fp2 something was wrong wid car 16, and it was announced he wud take a 10 place grid drop to fit a new battery in his horse for quali. The sole vaccinated cavallino on track, Carlos, managed a p4 in the final practice session. It was safe to assume Carlos wud make the front row in quali and sharl wud join him comfortably and begin his hunt from p10. They had a shot. Then sharl missed it. Mclaren completed the front row lockout, Sharls lap time got deleted for track limits in q2 after topping the charts and he never had the chance to disrupt papaya dominance in q3. Out of position, wid a new battery and a teammate in p2 who wud never catch the mcl38 in clean air, that was it. Sharl began the race wid imo the finest first lap of his career, sublime braking and steering into p8. From that point forward, the race was his to manage, and he did so brilliantly. Both horses took advantage of the 1st lap chaos in different ways, but while Carlos' delta to Lando meant he never did the 1 single overtake that actually mattered, Sharls delta to everyone else meant he overtook like 1 car per lap except the 1 that shud have been his to take but couldn't. As he reached George, he undercut the Mercedes, slot into fourth and waited for Lewis to pit. In the end, if Sara wants to bow to that I'll bow wid the bitch no problem. A perfectly executed race, well managed, 16 positions gained, a podium finish. Bend over, ass out, for sure. Again, I beg we remain focused on Abu Dhabi tho. So lets straighten our backs and really look at it. The 2nd fastest car qualified p19 thru driver error and made up 16 places. He finished 25 seconds behind his teammate, who in turn finished 6 seconds behind Lando. In its usual one stopper bore fest, once Lando's mcl38 bolted those hards on low fuel, as a distinguished 2024 ptsd riddled verstappie connoisseur, i knew Carlos hopes to win were dead and buried. Why they didnt just use the pit window to put Carlos on mediums and let him off into the sunset I'll never kno, but thats neither here nor there. Ferrari lost the wcc by the smallest margin since F1 started giving out points for race winners like candy ((25 instead of 10)). 14 points between both teams. Sharl definitely didnt lose Ferrari the wcc. This my analysis of his Abu Dhabi. Sara is very into having Opinions so I'm sure shes got her fair share on my take of those quali consequences, but they did matter. Just like lap 1 incidents matter. Like pace advantage matters. Like DRS matters. Abu Dhabi has 2 DRS zones along 2 straight lines, the point on any track where the sf-24 always finds lap time. One of Sara's arguments is that Abu Dhabi, unlike Interlagos, does not favor comeback drives and thats 1 of the reasons Sharls drive was more impressive than Brazil. .. 𫥠.. In 2021 Yas Marina went thru a series of changes including aforementioned DRS zones and faster corners. Chicanes 5 and 6 were turned into a single wider hairpin, specifically to promote more overtaking, where interestingly enough sharl went outside 4 cars before entering the DRS all the way to t9 in his quest to p4.
Comparing Sharl's Abu Dhabi to Max's Brazil is already extremely odd, but doing so to hype up this season's Abu Dhabi OVER Brazil's in a rage batey type of p0st that included the sentence 'no SC, no particular car advantage, no rain' was so fucking deranged even coming from f1twt I was kinda fascinated and HAD to investigate. I think the reason she felt the need to say all that was because 1) seasons over and they lost the wcc and I think we're all allowed 1 insane take for the Troubles 2) theres 0 to no chance Max's performance in Brazil will be replicated in our lifetime, because Interlagos was not Max's 'best race of the season', it was one of the best drives in Formula 1 history. If ur a sharl fan, and ur next teammate is Lewis Hamilton, I think perhaps a drive like Abu Dhabi's race where sharl was virtually flawless and displayed his potential to the fullest, is something u have to shove next to Brazil, because otherwise you've got nothing. Yet. YET. Thats what bothers me sm wid these fake ass marc herve fans, is that by saying shit like this, by comparing an exemplary comeback stint in Abu Dhabi to a drive that redefined the limits of whats possible to do on a wet track and flipped the odds on a championship title at the same time, they're saying sharl isnt capable of anything remotely close to that. Now I'm not sure what Sara's standards for sharl are, but they sure as fuck arent the same as mine. I think Sharls 2025, like 2024, 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020, will be an improvement. If its Max hes meant to dethrone, then as a verstappie theres nothing more I yearn than to c how it happens. If its Lewis, the feelings the same. When u trust ur dogs to bite, u dont need to put up signs. People will know because they growl. My sharl bares teeth.
Back to my og point. Verstappen's 2024 has nothing to do wid sharl's 2024. Sharl accomplished so many beautiful things in 2024. Conquered Monaco, Monza, delivered great wheel, worked thru a rough path and became one of the season's most consistent performers, went h2h for constructors till the very end in a car that only became competitive halfway into the season. Focus on that, relish in that p3, the potential of that development, Lewis' hiring and the power he brings, the challenge, the potential start of an undeniable legacy for both, or maybe just 1. Max's 2024 doesnt fit in any of this. Brazil had nothing to do wid any of this. Release yourself from the clutches of a mold that cant be replicated because the child it came out broke it at 17. Sharl is not Max, and thats fine, he'll be something else. Maybe better, maybe not. Arent u excited to find out. Wouldst u want to live deliciously instead of angering Max fans on twt because ur jealous they already do
#ask#long post#disk horse#I thought about censoring the user but like clearly user wants the sm0ke yk#have fun wid the sm0ke glitz diva#this more about like a general issue wid these type of takes than like op in particular lmfao#abu dhabi gp 2024#brazil gp 2024#off season
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Also keep in mind that a lot of the time the actors simply do not know what's happening a few episodes down the line. People are so sure that OS is the enemy that they forgot he simply does not know, and anything that's been established once can be retconed (see Tommy and his jealousy of Eddie, and OS having no clue about BuckTommy hooking up again at the time of the breakup, and him not even knowing during 701 that bi buck was going canon).
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People have GOT to stop parasocialing OS. Homeboy is just trying to earn a paycheck doing what he loves. Heâs said as much.
Now, do I get a little defensive as an art major who knows how male artists/photographers are? đ yes. But this man gets blown apart constantly for just trying to stay in the confines what his job is while LFJr gets woobified and RG doesnât get any of the crap⌠even though LFJr is just as much of an adult as OS is (and in my opinion, LIKELY knew that he was coming back by December, if not sooner, but couldnât say), and RG is the one who has reiterated time and time again that he doesnât see Eddie as queer and doesnât want to play him that way.
But, you know, itâs definitely Oliverâs fault, LFJr is just a sweet baby angel with no recourse, and buddie is definitely going canon. [/sarcasm]
(Okay, maybe LFJr is a little bit of a sweet baby angel, but that wasnât my point.)
#bucktommy#anon ask#911 discourse#911 disk horse#sloth thoughts#my opinion#oliver stark#lfjr#lou ferrigno jr
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i am getting tired of trying to explain to people that as someone whose life is almost entirely online due to health issues, fandom discourse does in fact have a huge impact on my experience.
it makes total sense someone whose life is much different than mine would have much different priorities to discuss on here lol, and i still do very much care about what's going on in the world at large even if i'm not really existing in it much. i do still put my focus toward other things that are more dire, and i kinda have to anyway by association of talking about discourse because of how much the real world's issues trickles down into people's mindsets about fiction.
it is just that with the way my own life has shaken out, in my personal own specific daily life it is more probable that a friend of half a decade will block me for reblogging an anti-censorship post, than it is likely that i will get called a slur in a public space i simply cannot go to. so that is why i, on my blog about my personal life and experiences and immediate concerns and fandom community, will talk about fandom bullshit more than i talk about the irl bullshit i just want to come here to escape, just as people who have to deal with other issues in their day will discuss those.
putting aside how people downplay discourse instead of acknowledging how truly vile people get with it from suicide baiting to doxxing--and how Personally that has to be a legitimate concern of mine because if some asshole links my blog to other parts of my life my survival legitimately would be at risk--it is just bizarre to me that people can't understand that different people just... have different things on their mind sometimes... lol...
#txt#disk horse#anyway i am once again wishing so much of my social experiences weren't documented in text#i need to like. voice chat with people more or do more stuff off tumblr because peer surveillance tm is getting to me again#and semi relatedly my own difficulties judging people and trusting etc in the fandom environment when i do mostly chat over text#and am clearly more awful at reading people than i thought#hoping to at least do more creationy things to keep me less Online once i have some time next week idkk#i have been doing a lot better now that my social circles are pretty explicitly people who are chill about fiction#like i don't have to think about it nearly as much#and that has been so nice!#i just wish it didn't have to be a consideration in the background at all
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also, (sorry to soapbox, i promise this will be the last of it), as an added note to the little conversation from yesterday about dreblr--i have to say that there's been ,,, uh, a slightly concerning amount of "us versus them" rhetoric especially about c!tommy apologists recently, as far as i've observed. and look, i get how the fandom's history plays into this, but dreblr isn't some separate special "better" version of the dsmp fandom. we're just dsmp fans who tend positive towards c!dream, which is a valid way of enjoying the story, but you know, so's hating c!dream's guts, lmao. people aren't unable to have valid opinions on the story or on c!dream just because they're negative about him and positive about c!tommy, which is like, literally just normal too, lmao, c!tommy is the generally good-aligned character we follow for most of the story and c!dream is the generally evil-aligned character that hurts him? being an analyst in dreblr doesn't automatically equal being "more correct" just because it's dreblr, and dismissing others' opinions just because they're a c!tommy apologist or whoever apologist isn't exactly a helpful way of approaching meta, either.
obviously no one is obligated to interact with anyone in this fandom that they don't want to interact with--we're here to have fun, it's not actually a professional field of analysis and debate. that being said, there is nothing about liking c!dream that is inherently superior to other dsmp fans. i know i've made a lot of general posts about dreblr versus "the greater fandom" which probably haven't helped with this feeling -- they're largely generalizations based on my experience in this fandom, and i don't want to come off as meaning that bad analysis is something that is Only found outside of dreblr (i've definitely been guilty of shit analysis more than a few times, lol) or that there's nothing that the rest of the fandom outside of c!dream apologist spaces has to offer. when it comes to individual enjoyment of the fandom and the characters, the point im making isn't that everyone has to do outreach to communicate with a c!tommy apologist or anything, lmao -- just that, you know, the general shady comments about how much better we are at analysis than those darn c!tommy apologists when they're not really relevant don't reeeeeally have to be as common as they are.
#disk horse#something for myself to work on too ik#the isolated nature of dreblr is a consequence of its history#but the 'us vs. them' mentality can easily become a breeding ground of toxicity#there are c!tommy apologists in dreblr for one lmao#just some general thoughts#don't want to come off as overly preachy or hypocritical#ik i'm far from perfect in this regard#but there's been a pretty uncomfortable amount of spite and superiority which would be best nipped in the bud ifl
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âsilverusso is such a dark and toxic ship !!1! đĄâ
silverusso fans:

thatâs what makes it interesting?? you donât have to like it, but itâs the equivalent of saying murder is wrong so murder mysteries shouldnât exist đ§
#iâm not doing ship disk horse iâm not i thought we were all normal đď¸đď¸#silverusso#cobra kai
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tbh what ticks me off the most about pjotwt (and pjotok, and pjo instagram, etc) and how they act is that you cant even dismiss it as them being young. yes a significant portion of them are 16 and below but often the accounts with bigger followings and therefore bigger reach for their (often wrong or just flat out shallow) takes arenât just older teens but whole ass adults đ itâs these people that the younger/newer fans take their rhetoric from.
#on there its always a race of who can make the fastest and biggest hit tweet or who can get noticed by word of god#-> and therefore be the Most Correct Fan#pjotwt salt#fandom wank#this isnt about anything new in particular btw just thoughts about like. pjo fandom climate and such#and as someone who was in pjotwt during its 2020 pandemic era peak im not joking when i say the disk horse there was#a pretty significant wrecking ball for this fandom#the most extreme of the bullies whod regularly doxx expose death threats and suibait are mostly gone lol#but the showâs release did bring back a lot of the bad aspects. on top of the parasocial behavior w the cast ksjdkdjdjd#anyway im under no illusion that there arent any bad apples on here either#its just easier to sequester the bullshit by virtue of tumblr's interface
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To be honest, supposedly progressive people deciding they can be as homophobic as they like as soon as a gay man stops fitting their ideals is a pretty time honored pattern. I remember how this site and the worse blue site acted with Pete Buttigieg.
#disk horse#Iâm in BuckTommy Joy Mode so Iâm not going to dwell on it but itâs a thought I had#conditional acceptance is a problem among some progressives#there were plenty of reasons to dislike Buttigiegâs policies for being purposefully middle of the road#basically compromising with republicans before even coming to the table#which would only result in an even worse deal#but that wasnât really what people talked about#it was all gay jokes and insults to Chasten and shit
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What's with the influx of people blazing posts recently...? Am I just Blazed Post George, somehow getting hit with an above average number of blazed posts on my dash? Every time I scroll it feels like there's five new people putting random shit on my dash... and for what? 9 times out of 10 you're getting blocked for being so intrusive. I can understand when it's small businesses but it's usually just random posts. Where the hell is this coming from? Is blazing posts suddenly the hot new thing (well after it was added as a new feature)?
(These are rhetorical questions but feel free to reblog + add on)
#like not to disk horse but I thought we'd all agreed giving money to harassing trans users dot com was not a good thing#which is another reason I block whoever's doing the blazing most of the time#venita.txt
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ok maybe this is a controversial take, but 8Ă06 confessions was not the worst episode of the season, far from it. yes it has a lot of issues and things that really bothered me about the episode. with that said i have a deep dislike for 8Ă09 wannabes, that episode pissed me off so much. they put so many of the characters to the sidelines while pushing forward brad. now i don't hate brad but they used so much time on him instead of the actual main characters who got every shortened arcs because of it. and my whole thing is why focus so much attention on him? they could of made the madney arc longer, they could of made eddie's arc longer (they could of made all the main characters arcs a whole lot longer) and it's supposed to be the mid season finale, where is the drama? i don't know it just made me so mad. that was the worst episode of the season, arguably the entire show.
#sorry to be negative but i have thoughts#i understand why people are criticizing confessions as one of the worst but wannabes is right there#ok rant over#911#911 abc#disk horse#(ish)
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in light of certain game writing choices: I have never, and will never, write or view Sebastian and Painter as siblings. hope this clears up any potential confusion and/or concern
#thoughts#just.. placing this here to make this clear now . just in case I'm hit with Disk Horse#saw someone describe the whole ordeal as 'they hit the sebpaintagon' which I find extremely funny
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i know other people are tired of female characters having stories revolving motherhood but god it is so nice to get stories about it that are actually... written with care? i imagine some of the fatigue around these stories is bc of how it's done with the assumption that all women must be or want to be mothers or it's done without any actual examination of the woman's characterization--and i also get tired of those! but there are so many female characters who specifically do not have or want kids as well these days, so i am glad that we can have a balance of ones who are fine without kids but also ones who are well-written as mothers??? idk. it makes me happy that we can have both, because parenthood will always be a thing, even if some people... equate their own preference of avoiding those stories altogether with automatic misogyny when a story does include it at all.
#txt#just. finishing up agatha and there are so many characters who fit that same vibe as her as having angst around motherhood#like oddly there is a big pattern with a lot of my witch blorbos having a big piece of their characterization be because of having lost#a child - taryn / vera / serafina / etc#aND i never got the sense that those characters... got their actual personhoods overshadowed by that facet of their story#(and those shows also have women who do not have kids in them!)#i guess what i just am always reminded of--speaking of hdm--is how mad hdm fans got when marisa's#promotional poster's descriptor was âmotherâ meanwhile asriel's was... adventurer or something?#like âhow dare they reduce a woman to motherhood!â when............................. her whole story did revolve around#un-suppressing her fucked up emotions and wanting to learn how to be a mother to lyra#(WHILE tons of other well written women in that story had 0 kids lol)#it wasn't reducing her to motherhood it was developing her around a core facet of her life in a way that#ngl i felt was meaningful bc of it playing against misogynistic expectations as well#she couldn't be a mother to lyra bc she was made a pariah for things men got away with. she didn't get a choice in that really.#her actually... choosing... lyra... on her own volition despite the consequences... was actually rly fucking cool#anyway i'm just. thinking about this bc of finishing up agatha rn where i can just imagine that#some people were pissed about the nicky and billy thing (i do not care to actually look but i knowwww if i were to#search twitter i'd see annoying takes)#because i understand we are still building up to equality in media where we do get stories focused on powerful (and queer!!) women#and knowing fandom i just. know. people probably thought the motherhood aspect ruined it bc it isn't the story They wanted#idk trying not to make up a guy to get mad at but unfortunately i know im not making it up js;ldfljsdflkj#ANYWAY ALL THAT TO SAYYYYY i am rly glad that AAA has done this so well#as opposed to being done without thought to motherhood being optional#(even though im sure some people will still treat any portrayal of motherhood as though it was done with unchecked misogyny)#it just makes Me personally happy to have this#anyway#disk horse#kinda?????? im complaining so i'll just. put that there for filtering.#i may not be making much sense either im only running on caffeine rn <33
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NO BUT YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE SBI/DTEAM VILLAIN/HEO THING. literally if ANYTHING c!dteam would be the misunderstood villain team, or like, probably more accurately just kind of morally complex. like. they dont even have to be secretly good or whatever you just have to take one look at c!dream who is like the poster boy of "has good intentions probably, makes lots of fucked up decisions" and i wish that fic took the angle they normally take with c!sbi (introduced as villains but then shown a softer/sympathetic side) with c!dteam. please. it'd be so interesting i'm BEGGING for it to be written
like. you know people can write whatever they want, but it's specifically amusing to me because "group of people get painted as the villains to justify + validate the actions of some other entity that involves a level of corruption" ...happens in canon. like literally explicitly happens in canon. like that was the platform Pog2020 was more or less running on? Pog2020 which had planned on you know, the whole one-party election thing?? that happened???
like there's a very real, in-universe "heroes and villains" narrative that quite honestly permeated just about everything post-lmanburg's conception...and people writing fic based on the dsmp. completely flipped it? genuinely fascinating to me every time
#my asks !!#tw discourse#disk horse#LIKE THIS HAPPENS IN CANON#no matter what you consider in terms of c!dteam morality#(bc like. c!dream and c!sapnap specifically r absolutely evil. lmao)#when it came to when the narrative was first /written/ in the lmanburg revolution#they were ... nawt. the villains. like brother c!dream wasnt even on the server when they started this#they hadnt even met him yet#they literally wanted to recruit george until george fought on the dsmp side and then they hated him during swag2020#like . this idea of propping other people up as the bad guys to serve our agenda is CANONICAL#and overwhelmingly used by the lmanburgians#cause the dsmp side literally just thought they were morons#during the revolution anyway#ANYWAY
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