#child grooming mention

[beemovieerotica]

ugh no I do have more to say about this

the replies on my posts have revealed this absolutist notion people have on identity i.e. the necessity of identifying as a victim. because so many people are harping on "well, the child never said she was exploited or groomed. so until she comes out and says it, we can't say anything!"

and like. I need everyone to understand that this viewpoint is fundamentally missing the entire fucking point of what grooming is - and people on here are continually paying lipservice to stopping something they wouldn't even be able to identify? 💀

the entire process of grooming is convincing someone that what is happening to them is normal, that it's preferable, that they are "chosen" and special and remarkable for receiving this attention. it is above all creating the false perception that the child has a CHOICE in the matter (which the child will attest to) and these gut-wrenching realizations often don't hit until well into adulthood (if fucking ever)

yes, I'm agitated about this because I had to listen to a friend in her mid-20s say that the relationship she had at age 14 with a 40 year old man was something that she "wanted" and she didn't feel like the man had groomed her at all. there are other people in my life who have been groomed and if you have not been there for someone who's gone through it, you have no concept of how long it takes for people to identify and face these patterns from their childhood and speak out about what happened. a youtuber who just turned 18 will not say it. an ex-child pageant teen will not say it. someone's inability to speak on it does not mean that the harm did not happen.

I'm using the analogy of child pageants because it's another situation where half the population recognizes it as grooming, while the other half is caught up in this idea of "nobody's *making* the girls do this, they're so excited and they want to be here! their parents aren't physically pushing them out onto the stage. they're smiling and having a great time. they say they're fine."

and it's just so deeply missing the point of what it is to be a child. with so little power, living in a household and fed and clothed and only allowed to do fun things by the good graces of someone from whom you've gotten almost your whole outlook of the world from.

no, nobody's dragging them out onto the stage. the parents of child youtubers also aren't forcing them to press record. but there is such a lack of basic analysis happening where people completely ignore the actual material rewards, motivations, and praise that these children continually get from their parents in order to keep doing that which is profitable - to keep performing actions which gratify strangers who are not invested in the safety of that child.

so we should be able to simultaneously acknowledge that parents make their kids do pageants / parents make their kids bring in ad revenue, alongside the fact that yes! kids have free will! and some of these things that kids do happens to be fun for them! but I am just asking people to ponder the difference between a) a kid playing dress up at home, running around with the family video camera and recording some home videos that only their siblings and parents will ever see

and b) a parent seeing that this brings their child joy, and going on to purchase elaborate costumes, props, makeup, cameras, microphone, laptop etc for the purpose of putting their kid directly in the public eye in a provocative manner that makes money

if people are still insisting that this act falls on a moral spectrum based on whatever nebulous "intentions" beyond money the parent has, then it's somewhere between active financial exploitation and flat out grooming, and that's it. a parent who cultivates an environment in which their child is incentivized, praised, and materially enabled to perform a behavior, ("you can pay for college by doing this!") in the very limited space in which a child may exercise their free will, in full reliance on that parent for their literal survival --- that parent is, in fact, exploiting them.

[valentinokillsyouasmr]

stop letting your groomed children into my house they keep trying to touch my dick

[sage-thee-herbmaster]

Proof that minors are being groomed by PRATS.

This user thinks that the age of consent should be abolished, and that children of any age should be allowed to be in sexual relationships with adults and thinks you can’t be youth lib if you disagree with this. Everyone with a brain knows that, yes, pubescent minors can consent, TO EACH OTHER.

There’s nothing wrong with teenagers having sex, but it’s not healthy for them mentally, to engage in sexual relationship with grown ass adults even if it’s “consensual” as the consent that teenagers give to adults is usually the result of prior grooming (I should know because that happened with me) and there’s countless reliable studies and victim word of mouth recounts proving this.

Children can’t consent to adults, simple as that and hope that “AAM” radqueers realise this and get help.

This account also thinks that “cracker” is just as bad as a slur for white people as the n-word is for black people even though cracker doesn’t have the horrible history behind it like the n-word does, so yeah there’s that…

Conclusion: Radqueers are groomers, pass it on.

[idleinteen]

“don’t u think

i was too young

to be messed with?”

“dear john” by taylor swift // would’ve, could’ve, should’ve" by taylor swift // “my boy only breaks his favorite toys” by taylor swift // ezra fitzgerald and aria montgomery in pretty little liars

[rawr-systemotes]

Just to throw this out there

it was not and is not your fault they groomed you (yes even if you were seeking it out.)

it was not and is not your fault they abused you (yes even if you weren’t the best person at the time.)

you are a survivor not an abuser sweetheart

if you ever need anything my DMs are open

and yes this is a post made half for ourselves be self indulgent <33

[cosmicsproutcake]

if the writer has put that nasty shit out into the world then my abuser wouldnt have been able to use it to grrom me so actually yeah the writer is worse

And if your abuser had, instead, used puppies or candy to groom you, would you be calling for the eradication of Kennel Clubs and the Hershey Chocolate Corporation?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but if that fanfiction hadn't existed, your abuser would've just found something else to groom you with, because that's what abusers do; they abuse.

[bump-inthe-night]

Considering how Blackgryph0n is acting as if nothing is wrong on social media, he’s likely not going to respond to the recent grooming allegations. He knows his fans and friends are going to defend him, so he’s going to ignore the situation until it goes away. Meanwhile, Destiny is being harassed, which is making other victims more afraid of coming forward in the future.

It’s disgusting how creators can get away with horrible shit because of people loving their content.

[just-antithings]

A comment I just had the misfortune of reading: "If your parents enjoy media featuring incest, watch out!! They're grooming you so you think incest is okay and they're going to use this to abuse you!!"

......

[beemovieerotica]

I think there's extra care that needs to be taken when you're discussing a person choosing to do sex work and using that as evidence they've been groomed. I agree her situation was bad and her mother was exploiting her but some of your post talking about her "catering to men" because that's all she knows how to do starts to eek into SWERF territory tonally. I'm not trying to start a fight just adding to the narrative.

I'm not talking about literally anyone else's situation but hers, I've been vocally in support of sex workers on my blog if you've followed me for more than 5 minutes

she's 18 and she can do whatever the fuck she wants with her life now, but is it not possible to just grieve the fact that she had an entire waiting fanbase of adult men who watched her go through puberty and who had with countdown clocks for the day she turned 18 so they could finally buy legal porn of her? can we step back for 2 seconds and acknowledge how fucked up that is without gagging at something that is vaguely "tonally" not at all what I'm saying?

[sukibenders]

Me, waking up and remembering how Condal and Hess made Laena into the disposable black girlfriend (wife in this case, not that they even bother to mention it more than once) and had her die more horrifically than in the books (possibly to boost the yte characters), had Daemon and Rhaenyra sleep together during her funeral, have her two daughters be ignored by their father for his second wife's kids, had all three of them become shells of their book counterparts and given less grace by the fandom than in similar regards to the majority yte characters, only for those who called out these actions to be deemed simply "anti Rhaenyra" or just be told they lack media literacy:

[robotcove]

honestly CRAZY that nanowrimo is shutting down... i joined about midway thru the whole child grooming thing on the YWP and pretty much never used the site but im glad its being nuked.

i just watched the video posted on youtube (didnt get the email cuz i disabled the emails from them) and it just stinks.

i didnt really pay attention to the monetary aspect bcz im pretty shit with numbers but the last like 10 minutes (i didnt check) just blames the users for not donating enough (uh huh. right.) and stuff of the sort, as well as legit bellitling the whole A.I. situation - NOT TO FUCKING MENTION THE CHILD GROOMING????? and also like, kinda does a martyrdom thing "Oh were so sad we can't keep running, we BEG of you, User Who Still Believes In Non-profit Things, PLEASE look at other sites!! This could happen to them too!" but with this special aura of "we r so sad and betrayed by u :c"

(also the current ration of likes to dislikes on the youtube video XD)(275 likes and 979 dislikes)

[l00rem]

Imo, this is the most telling/concerning line of the explorers

As we’ve seen, the environment of Explorers is incredibly toxic. 3/4 of the other admins have each insulted or taken shots at Amethio somehow. And it looks like this is nothing new, it’s horrible how Conia’s reaction to him being in a room alone with them is ‘oh god i hope he’s okay’. Amethio is a minor, he’s in a room full of people who seem to all be much older than him and ,in complete contrast to Liko’s situation, they all belittle him and insult him for every little mistake. It’s really upsetting how the only two people who have any sort of concern for him are his underlings- but Conia and Zir are absolutely powerless to really do anything about this. As much as they care about him, I don’t think Amethio would even be able to allow himself to be proper vulnerable around them. He’s already having to constantly prove himself, so how could he do something as unprofessional as spilling his worries to his underlings? It seems the only one he’s comfortable being open with is Ceruledge, but once again there is very little it can do to help him.

Then there’s Hamber. I’ve seen a few people give him the benefit of the doubt, especially because of episode 34 where it looks like he’s taken a shine to Amethio. But don’t let his fake concern fool you.

All i see here is basic professionalism, like he’s reading what he has to say off a script. He doesn’t actually mean what he’s saying: we’ve seen how high the Explorers expectations are, I mean just look at how much Amethio is overexerting himself in the second op, surprise surprise Hamber is sitting back and merely watching despite his earlier comment of not straining yourself. Not to mention, the moment things start going well for Amethio, Hamber immediately undermines his agency by going with Sango and Onyx to sort things out personally. Like no wonder Amethio seems to be triggered by not being taken seriously when this is how his (employers? guardians? idk) treat him!

He’s also got soooo many red flags! The biggest being when Sango half-heartedly refuses orders, to which he responds:

Literally physically intimidating her! And her reaction raises even more red flags, despite her happy demeanour the way she instantly complies is very telling that this isn’t the first time Hamber’s resorted to such threats… and this is the same environment a 16ish old is being raised in!

Maybe it’s just the amount of pressure he was putting on himself, but look how stressed and low-key terrified Amethio looks when fighting Hamber!!

And even if we want to make the case that maybe Amethio is this special exception for Hamber and that he’s got a soft spot for him… he is ultimately still complicit in grooming Amethio into this shady organisation. Episode 34 even reveals that Hamber was the one who trained Amethio, which also fuels the idea that he might have been some random child they find and realised how easily they could manipulate him into becoming the perfect loyal admin. Well i personally subscribe to the Amethio is an orphan theory rather than Gibeons son, especially considering that comment about Gibeon ‘awakening’, Idk if Gibeon is even properly alive.

Btw if you’re interested in further exploration in what I’ve discussed in this post allow me to shamelessly plug my fic that finished recently. It delves into the shadiness of Explorers and how really fucked up Amethio’s situation is! https://archiveofourown.org/works/52757629

It’s kinda weird how we’ve gone from ‘haha look at team Rocket blast off again aren’t they so wacky?’ to literal child grooming. I’m all for the serious themes tho.

Tldr: Hamber deserves to be pushed down a flight of stairs, Amethio needs so much therapy.

[mewpirate]

Ain't no fucking way JARS has a crush on synnibear03 😭😭😭😭

WHILE BRO HAS A GIRLFRIEND WHATTT WHY ARE YOU LEAVING YOUR PARTNER FOR A FUCKING CHILD GROOMER

[just-antithings]

I find it funny when someone who drew/shipped/wrote something taboo is found out to be a bad person, all the antis come out of the wordworks to say "See! Profics are bad! Look at this person!"

Cause I just look at it and go, the vast majority of people that get called out for being horrible people were in communities that hated those people. Coming from someone who has been online since I was 9 and witnessed a lot.

Like ICP's (Insane Clown Posse) most popular song is "To Catch a Predator" where they lure a child predator to their house and torture them in their basement. And the amount of child molestors in that community are uncanny. And I mean people who were arrested, tried, convicted, and registered as child molesters.

The amount of predators that are found in "Predator Catching" communities is insane, to the point I see more videos start with "This groomer was in a predator busting server" than "This person rallied against predator busting"

And don't get me started on the amount of antis that send porn to minors.

Like in truth, bad people are more likely to hide to places that are against them, cause it gives them an alibi. "I would never sexted a minor. I've been against people like that for years. These are just lies to make me look bad."

^^^ That isn't even hyperbole. That exact argument had been used so many times.

It's just annoying cause it's throwing stones in the world's biggest glass house.

👆👆👆👆

[puriteenism]

Planet au candy salad trauma dump trend! But with the people, I have the backstories for

Bianca: Hi, I'm bianca. My brother was ripped apart by campers because of a prophecy that said he might be cursed,leading ke to join thalias side to destroy Camp Half blood, and I brought Skittles

Piper: Hi, my name is Piper. I was SA'd as a child by one of my dad's famous costars, and my dad did nothing bc he didn't want to risk his reputation leading to a horrible relationship with love and intamacy that makes it much worse that im Neptunes daughter, god of love. I brought Squashies

Annabeth: Hi, im Annabeth, and I was groomed by my mom to be a perfect puppet for the gods and then had my will taken away from me and used as a weapon for my friends and I brought fizzy gummy worms

Luke: Hi, I'm Luke, and I was turned into a tree to prove a point by a vengeful goddess, and by the time I stopped being a tree, Thalia was considered a traitor who wanted to destroy the gods and Annabeth was virtually unrecognisable. I brought Chocolate fingers

Thalia: Hi, I'm thalia, and I had both my friends ripped from me at a young age and tried staying but ran away to form my own army, allying with dark forces bc I thought they'd be a lesser evil and I could overpower them, leading to the death of a lot of my friends. I brought pop rocks

(Theu all sit down and eat their candy)

[beemovieerotica]

people are asking for clarification about the mother's involvement:

1) please describe to me a world in which a 13 year old would have exclusive access to ad revenue earnings amounting to $30,000 a month with a bank account that her legal guardian would benefit from in exactly zero ways

2) no, the videos no longer exist on youtube because they were exploitative, that's the entire point (you can track them down, but I'm not going there) and from those of us who were watching everything unfold when other youtubers began covering the story, there was extremely concerning sexual slang dropped into the scripts that lead to either 1 of 2 options:

a) these were an adult's additions to the scripts

b) these were things a minor had come up with on her own (maybe repeated, maybe she didn't know what they meant!), and her mother, who helped her create the POV roleplaying videos, was 100% a-okay with her 13 year old daughter looking into a camera to a completely uncontrolled public audience, making sexual innuendos in a murmuring whispering voice distinctive of ASMR, while wearing what amounted to "sexy halloween" costumes

I'm aware that news outlets are not capable of saying "her mother was exploiting her" without getting into an extremely long and unwinnable battle with a woman who has 100% control of the story - half of youtube was saying this too before all their videos got removed because youtube didn't want to be responsible for libel 🙃

but please use your brain for 2 seconds and tell me whether you're arguing that her mom a) doesn't know what sex is and couldn't possibly anticipate a single odd thing about her teenage daughter roleplaying sexy scenarios with a faceless audience or b) she did know what the effect would be but she's uhhhhhh a feminist who wants her daughter to do what she wants???

can you describe to me how either of these is a good option, please, whether it's her being blindly oblivious and inadvertently letting her daughter get groomed (unlikely because she was literally making money off it!) or her being internet savvy, knowing the metrics, and supporting her daughter's concerningly singular audience of age 40+ men. and the "oh she didn't know about the channel until a few months in" sure, ok, she could have been ignorant for a little bit until the *thousands of dollars* started rolling in, please be serious

like congrats I guess because she's 19 now after being groomed by her mother and the internet for the last 6 years of her life so now everyone can buy wank pics of her because that was the first thing she jumped into doing for men who were watching her since before she even got to high school

no but I am genuinely dumbstruck since this is the "it's the parents' responsibility!" website here where we can agree that it's not yours or my responsibility if a minor stumbles on adult content we create, but people are taking a staggeringly insane stance that a mother whose daughter catered to horny adult men online and who HELPED her make the videos and who MADE BANK was 100% like totally innocent and not responsible and gosh can't we just blame the internet completely instead of the one adult in her life who was supposed to watch out for her?

[sees people on here still using the gif of that young white girl dressed as a flight attendant sassily taking someone's ticket]

[muttering to myself] they don't know that the gif comes from a series of child porn-lite youtube videos where her mother wrote scripts like "POV sassy female cop pulls you over for speeding" for her *13-year old daughter to perform* and whisper into the camera while using sexual terms the daughter herself did not understand - and also made her do other close up ASMR videos where the daughter would eat things like raw honeycomb so older male viewers could hear and see her making mouth noises that simulated sex acts - the mother was at one point making $1000/day in ad revenue from the videos she had this 13 year old girl perform - source from The Cut