#but man the thunder saga

[zhoras-bitch]

"average greek pisses off 3 gods and demigods a year" factoid is actually just statistical error. average greek pisses off 0 gods and demigods per year. Odysseus of Ithaca, who is just going home & making a mortal enemy of yet another olympian each day, is an outlier and should not have been counted

[soleillunne]

THUNDER SAGA IS SO GOOD AAAA

spoilers for the thunder saga in tags if you havent listened yet

[insomniphic]

A part of Odysseus doesn't trust his own words, but if love needs trust and trust grants love, then he's betting everything that Penelope is fighting, suffering, and longing just as much as him.

This post is kind of a build off from this one!

[adrift-in-thyme]

There’s something terribly poetic in the inevitability of events in EPIC. The choices Odysseus is given lead to no win situations. They aren’t really choices at all.

Kill a foe’s child or witness the death of your own. Sacrifice six men or sacrifice them all. Allow your crew to starve or watch as they slaughter sacred cattle.

Sacrifice your friends, your brothers, or give up your last chance at reaching home.

In the end, the result is always the same. He destroys himself

[dark-elf-writes]

Athena in My Goodbye: You need to learn to kill your heart and do what needs to be done

Athena checking back on Ody post Thunder Bringer and seeing him sitting there like:

[potatounicoorn]

Jorge: Thunder saga might come later this year, it will take a while

Me: Yes makes sense

Jorge: Anyway here's Thunder saga dropping 4th of July

Me: Oh thats so soon holy-

Jorge: Oh and also new versions of Troy and Cyclop sagas coming 4th of July too

Me: THATS, THATS A LOT JORGE-

Jorge: And we are working on merch and vinyls and-

Me: JORGE REMEMBER TO REST HOLY-THANK YOU

[wowsillies]

I WISH Jorge had referenced the part of Luck Runs Out where Odysseus tells Eurylochus to be quiet because I feel like that’s an element missing from a lot of Eurylochus interpretations.

“I need you to always be devout and comply with this /Or we'll all die in this” is important because Eurylochus fails to do it by questioning Odysseus’ words (the bag is NOT treasure, it’s storm) and opening the wind bag and his actions lead directly to the facilitation of the death of most of the crew. I hesitate to say he’s to blame because, well, Poseidon is taking revenge due to Odysseus’ decision, but Eurylochus handed him means and perfect opportunity to do it.

So, after that, Eurylochus obeys everything Odysseus says to do. He takes men to explore Circe’s island. He stays put instead of running when Odysseus goes to rescue him. He follows intl the Underworld despite the fact that “hey this witch is helping us now by sending us to death’s realm, this is definitely not a trick” probably raised some questions. He doesn’t (or at least we don’t see) stray or talk to the souls in the Underworld even though Odysseus ends up doing it. He traps and kills the sirens.

He lights and gives out six torches.

So, if devotion to Odysseus wasn’t enough to save them? If Odysseusnis now using that devotion and trust to get them killed as long as he gets to make it home to his wife? What is he meant to do now?

Eurylochus doesn’t sound… fully there, during the second half of Mutiny. Whether there was divine intervention pushing him or madness or simply the pain of it all, he’s not acting rationally. He just saw six of his trusted men brutally murdered, asks Odysseus to lie and say it was a trick, and can’t even kill him when the truth comes out. Odysseus’ wounds are bandaged! (I’m not sure that he doesn’t actually know where Helios’ statue is from btw, both due to the melody and bc it seems outrageous)

We’re all talking about Odysseus pleading for Eurylochus to stop before killing the cows, but Eurylochus is pleading too. He asks how much longer is he expected to suffer, to push through doubt, to follow the orders. And Odysseus’ first plea is “I need to get home” (later “we can get home”). Let’s not forget Odysseus is selfish and Eurylochus knows that, maybe even loves that, but he’s not just hungry, he’s tired.

When Polites gets the location of the sheep cave from the lotus eaters and takes the men to it, he leads several of them to death and himself to his doom. When Eurylochus stumbles upon the cows, does he remember that? Does he deliberately invoke it?

Killing the cows isn’t about the hunger, not really. It’s about the devotion that was asked of him, the price he paid to learn that lesson, and the pain that silence put him through anyway.

[tuba-david]

Eurylochus: Captain, what’s the plan to fight Scylla?

Odysseus:

[raointean]

[xeverlee]

fun fact! up until around 2 months ago, i completely thought that Epic: The Musical was just a musical of this movie

and i was over here scratching my head about how the hell did cyclops fit into the story

[vor-leser]

Hunger is so heavy...

[ma-du]

Hey guys. I have another one:

[we-will-all-be-stories]

Eurylochus: and when we fought with circe, it was you who left behind no man

Elpenor, looking up from the underworld:

[musicalcompanions]

Absolute chills when Odysseus told Eurylochus to light six torches knowing Scylla had six heads

[r0tting-rat]

"Ohh Eurylochus shouldn't have done that" "Odysseus should have known better" "It's [Character] fault if..." WRONG! WRONG WRONG AND WRONG!! If any of you had taken the time to read one (1) greek myth you would have known already that, if we really want to trace back the problem to the source, the only ones at fault would be the gods!

It's always the gods' fault—or Fate's—you can't argue with this. The whole point of greek tragedies is that you cannot escape what's already been chosen for you, so no matter how smart you are you will ALWAYS end up where you were meant to be.

[haze-of-hyperfixations]

Polites, during Open Arms:

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Odysseus's Crew, during Different Beast versus after Scylla:

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Eurylochus, during Mutiny:

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Penelope, after Odysseus returns with the blood of hundreds on his hands (Odysseus is the man-made horror):