#but hate some actors

[lottiehasthoughts]

i have such like a love/hate relationship with the naivity that my physicality and (masked) personality portrays to others bc like on one hand it gets me places esp in the industry im in but on the other hand it creates the idea for others that its ok and possible to easily manipulate me because i am young and stupid but i'm not. i see what u are doing.

i love my industry but it hurts to know that these people will only ever see a masked version of me - and in other cases it also helps??? i am very conflicted on these feelings and it creates a sense of confusion that both my body and mind are well used to at this point in my life

[nevermeyers]

There's absolutely no way people are now saying that all the gege-hate train is just an internal joke of the fandom. There's no way you're this out of touch with what has been happening.

I've been in the fandom since 2020 and it doesn't take a lot of smarts to see there's been a change in tone in the way some people say that in the last year. Since this new arc of history began, destructive criticism, massive hate and threats have overflowed into hundreds of profiles. It's no longer "oh, I hate Gege akutami" now and for a while now it's "I hate Gege akutami - his manga is horrible I'm gonna drop it (they never do) - he doesn't deserve popularity - he doesn't know how to write - he pretends to have an illness."

And yet, it's not normal to make jokes about wanting to kill someone, hon. Go check yourself if you find that funny, you're no better than let's-joke-about-sensitive-issues reddit incels

[kahluah]

*puts hand up* sorry I’m very new here what’s the context with what’s happening with the tag war??

Alright, I will give my run down, but I will not be naming any blog names on either side even if I have the info and the action was net positive. I just like to use my blog to scroll and reblog for the most part and refuse to embroil myself in the drama more than just giving my view on it as a bystander. One that definitely has an opinion on the events, but also as someone who would rather curate my own experience than fight.

So all this fighting that is going on, it used to just happen in the normal "Jiang Cheng" tag because back then there was no "canon Jiang Cheng" tag; it had not been created yet. (By that I mean it was not a tag used as a tag, Tumblr's shitty search algorithm might still show posts if one typed it in to the search bar because those posts had the words 'canon', 'Jiang', and 'Cheng' in the tags separately, but there would not be posts with "#canon Jiang Cheng" because nobody normally creates a post with a tag like that when "#Jiang Cheng" was suffice. Sometimes I see irrelevant posts in the canon Jiang Cheng tag, but the actual tag isn't on the post, the tags just happen to have all three words in them. Those I ignore because that is Tumblr's fault, not the poster.)

The fighting was between people that like the character and prefer to see the good in him and the interpretation of his character, and those that may or may not like the character (just because you like a character does not mean you need to defend their every action after all) but do not share that opinion of his character and have a more neutral or negative portrayal by contrast. The former also tended to favor or have only read the novel as it is the source material for all other adaptations.

Now things really came to a head when hate and threats were being thrown about on posts that were just quotes from the book showing the negative actions of Jiang Cheng. The people posting the quotes were basically told "if you hate the character why don't you just tag the post as anti-JC?!" but is it really right to call those anti posts when they were posting how the character acts in the source material? That is the character. That is how he acted. Look it is in the book! The character really did that! It is not somebody's negative headcanon that the character may act like that, it is something the character actually did. Personally I can not consider that as an anti character post, and neither did the people who made posts like that.

But things did get heated enough that some people finally took a step back and said "Fine. You want us to make our own space to make these posts so that you do not have to see us talk about JC this way? We will. It will be #canon Jiang Cheng and you can block it if you don't want to see the posts." Was the name picked in the spirit of schadenfreude? Very probable, but it is also not an incorrect name as the people who wanted to use it base their opinion on the novel. But the point was that the tag was created so that people now had their own space to make the posts they wanted and those that did not want to see it could block the tag. Curate your own experience; we can block tags on this site for a reason and advertising tags to block is a courtesy. (Because as said previously, the search here sucks, because the posts contain the character's name they are still likely to show up in the main tag, but block the newly created tag and you will not see those posts either way). Could the other people come into the tag in good faith and make arguments with textual support? Yeah, that was welcomed, but in the spirit of debate they should expect rebuttal. Was that what happened? No.

No instead what happened was basically this meme

They did not like the name chosen for the tag. They read the novel too and still believe that JC is good, so they should be able to use the tag too! Never mind the fact that the tag was made so they could block the posts they didn't want to see. So that they can go on with their days no longer having to deal with the people they constantly fought with. No. Instead of curating the experience of this website, they would get so hung up on the fact that there was now a tag called #canon Jiang Cheng in use that they had to use it too to defend JC from the people that post 'negative' things about him; even if it is novel text!

So while the fighting didn't stop, it did get slightly better because not everyone felt the need to jump into the new tag to defend their fave. Some people actually did curate their experience. Plus there is a block button and people do use it, so things got to a point where I would say it was relatively stable even if there was still fights here and there. (But once again I lurk, I do not participate. Things may not have been the same for more outspoken people).

But then a certain muskrat bought Twitter and a chunk of the fandom there fled here. That's when the main push to "reclaim the tag" and the new influx of people hopping into the tag to argue and defend their fave appeared. These people did not know why the tag was made, they just saw blogs that they liked telling people about the "JC-antis" that made it and how with the new people pouring into the Tumblr fandom from twitter, they had a chance to flood it and reclaim it. And since then the fighting has not really stopped.

As for what has happened in the past few days, you have JC defenders flooding the tag with fan art (not canon), screen caps from CLQ (not canon), and screenshots of a sentence or two from the novel (canon, but usually out of context or lacking additional lines that go on to rebut what was previously said) in the tag and the people who made the tag for a specific purpose getting mad about the spam. (I block so I have no clue how big the influx was or whatever but there was definitely like at least 3 new people I had to block). So when they made posts venting the anger, you got JC defenders coming back to them and going "But I never sent any hate or harassment! I just used the tag to talk about the canon character!" And perhaps they didn't, but these people in their defense always ignore and never respond to the question of why they are in the tag instead of blocking it because that is what the tag was made for. Instead they come back with "Well if you want to talk about JC that way, why don't you post in the anti tag or make your own tag!"... Remember that meme picture I used above. Yup.

The tag war began because people did not like negative posts about JC in the main character tag for JC. When told to use the anti tag or make a new tag, a new tag was made, but instead of curating the experience the stans of JC got so tilted at the name of the tag that they decided that they would come into the tag and continue the fight instead of just blocking it. Twitter fallout made the fighting worse. And now we have come full circle to the JC stans once again telling people to just use the anti tag or make their own tag.

[mel-ixa]

The more I think about it, the more the RWRB fandom is winning because what do you mean we have a book (with a collector edition!) AND an amazingly written film AND an upcoming sequel??

The difference in the film vs book makes it even better because now there’s 2 versions and they’re both good and canon!!

One of my fav changes in the film is that Alex passed Henry his key in exchange for the ring so they both held on to a piece of each other when the leak happened. And that Alex was the one who played the song in the V&A right after Henry said he always wanted to dance with someone he loved there like omg 😭

I just choose whichever bits I prefer and now the mashed up version in my head is the best of both worlds and damn we are so well-fed!!

Im not even going to get started on AO3 content cause the pairing has over 10k fics so it’s just a buffet there.

And of course Taylor and Nic are both such incredible actors. Like honestly what is there not to love about RWRB!!

[barghest-land]

drawing red dead actors with a main character vibe part 3 🐁

i think even if i was bug sized i'd still wanna punch Micah in the face. i'd probably die trying though. but it would be worth it

still can't believe how naturally evil Micah feels though. i remember one moment on my 3rd playthrough, with a stagecoach robbery. i've never intentionally thrown dynamite at horses in the story mode, but he made me do it, and i realized what i did only after the mission. got blindly influenced for a second there i guess 💀 damn ok i can't really blame Dutch after that

[kat-rose-griffith]

Y’all aren’t allowed to get on your soap box about any of the actions of the fictional characters in the show when you can’t even just not bully an actor for being a person and dating someone who isn’t their friend/coworker

[doomed2repeat]

I need Luke Newton to get a project away from Bridgerton and the Bridgerton fandom because they really don’t deserve him.

[grayintogreen]

Respectfully, but a character can be and SHOULD BE allowed to be more than one thing without it being considered "contradictory", "retconning," or "negative character development."

[ell-begins]

ok but if hen and karen have no fans then I am dead cuz genuinely wtf do you mean they have haters 😭

[mikimeiko]

Bodies | Miniseries (2023), Paul Tomalin

[lavellane]

can i say something. can i be mean.

they did not need to hire matt fucking mercer to play manfred lol

[buckleydiazed]

People understand that the whole point of Buck and Tommy's relationship was that it wasn't right, correct? That it didn't fit?

Tommy only called Buck 'Evan.' Buck even corrected his PARTNTS when they called him Evan. His own SISTER calls him Buck.

Tommy literally got Buck basketball tickets for their anniversary. Buck HATES basketball.

Tommy didn't dress up for the 80's theme bachelor party, much to Buck's chagrin (guess who did dress up with Buck).

Tommy tells Buck what he's ready for in their relationship. He doesn't let Buck make those decisions.

I really enjoyed the bucktommy relationship, but it was a stepping stone. Tommy was training wheels for Buck, and that's okay!! That's what we need sometimes! But Tommy is right: he was Buck's first, not his last.

[tigerbears]

Homestuck Spoilers Out of Context.

[thatscarletflycatcher]

"Isn't it great how much better acting is these days compared to older movies that were so exaggerated and theatrical?" I have news for you about art and naturalism being a style.

[gameofthronedd]

In love with the way the Green actors talk about their characters and give so much depth to them. Honestly get them in the writer's room fr the canon they have in their heads deserves to be heard.

[mejomonster]

Bad Buddy remains one of the only romcoms I really enjoy rewatching and would recommend.

Like. Its got its weak spots. But its strengths definitely override those: extremely talented main leads and director, utilizes every romantic and comedy trope it can fit in an entertaining and emotionally in a way that benefits the story (making it easy to watch if you Only like romance or Only like comedy, or Only like stories of friends growing up, Or only like stories about overcoming conflicts with parent's baggage, or Only watching for it's interpretation of Romeo and Juliet, since it'll deliver those experiences). The Just Friends main theme song is pointedly about the whole story, sounds good, and is used in lyrical and instrumental variety to thread through the emotional beats. (Its also an Action romance comedy, something I particularly need in my romance stories lol or I tend to lose focus personally ToT). It aims to tell a solid Romeo and Juliet modern retelling, while also being made fresh with very fleshed out Pat and Pran as characters with rich lives, and it packs in enough angst to really resonate as a romantic journey with stakes and real risk of loss. You turn it on, and you get an experience you're hoping for, and a very well made one.

As an added bonus, like a lot of newer BL, it: depicts bisexuality, depicts queer women, depicts fairly realistic relationship conflicts (like how out to be, how commited to be, unsure of anothers feelings, when each person is comfortable with X, dealing with a lovers other close relationships like friends and family), depicts accepting parents and friends (and them being unaccepting for other reasons unrelate to queerness - making both an allegory to the biases against queer people we have to deal with while also 1 being escapism and wish fullfillment in the kind of world we might wish we had around us and 2 utilizing conflicts that Any watcher might relate to, since everyone's had disagreements with friends or family at some point).

You just turn it on and know you're getting what you hoped for, and a really amazing piece of work.

It doesn't particularly break any huge new ground (although it did help kick off the trend of shows realizing there's a desire for more GL from audiences, and it was part of the wave of earnest efforts in BL to show more realistic kisses and sexuality and Discussions Of Sexuality - which thankfully was a trend which continued, and is now almost expected to be Included in newer BLs that are made). Its a romeo and juliet story, with the young love and warring families and impossible situation that it promises. Its two people who desperately wanted to be friends, but couldnt, who became buddies anyway and wanted to be more. For that, its perfect.