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lemotmo · 6 months ago
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Ooof that finale was…..not it. Like my first issue was they for some reason let Kristen write it. I honestly thought we were free of her with the move to abc but alas apparently not. And she very much made her presence known with how off the finale felt in terms of pacing and just how ooc some of them felt at times. Not to mention the continuing saga of her former reign in making Buck an over sexualized character by turning his dad trauma into a way for Tommy to make jr into a daddy kink joke which was just…. No thanks. Otherwise it just was such a….lackluster finale? And I found myself bored at moments.
And then the season over all I’m left wondering what was the point of half of it ? Like Bathena didn’t get to enjoy their honeymoon. They have no house now. The Amir plot which while I loved the character, ultimately led to nothing? The cartel storyline didn’t need to happen and bringing them back was boring. Bobby being dead for 14 minutes and coming into the station at the end perfectly fine was such a wtf moment even for tv standards.
Henren didn’t get to adopt their baby. They got a foster daughter instead only to then….lose her ? And have her be given to Madney instead for them to visit like truly this was just drama for drama sake and ultimately pointless pain for them.
Madneys wedding got rushed and ultimately turned into a 2 minute hospital room scene. We didn’t even get to see ant build up to the wedding.
Buck: He came out as bi which yesssss 🎉🎉🎉 only to then immediately be forced back into his hamster wheel, stuck in yet another relationship with someone who doesn’t seem to even like him, and is rude to him. And then turned into essentially a background character the rest of the season. I truly feel bad for Oliver because he was so so so excited for bi buck, and so happy and hopeful they would do it right and with respect and not over sexualize it and this is what he gets. A boring rude generic LI making daddy kink jokes and no real development into this part of himself. It’s truly no surprise he did nothing to promote that relationship or this finale.
Eddie and Chris. We hardly saw Chris. And then the way they rushed him leaving at the very end was so… not it. Not to mention so out of sorts for him? Like we have seen when he’s mad at Eddie he always goes to Buck. But this time he calls his grandparents at 2 am and asks them to come rake him to Texas indefinitely? Then the Buck Chris talk. I love their scenes together but even it felt off? And then they systematically undid any progress with Eddie’s parents with Helena often coming off filled with glee over it, and Ramon taking his own guilt in Eddie to make him accept it. Then we have Eddie himself. What was the point of Marisol? There doesn’t seem to be one. And why we had to suffer Edy all season remains a mystery since Tim said she came back because he didn’t want two off screen breakups. Only to then do two off screen breakups. What was the point of Kim? I had hopes they would actually use her to move Eddie along and then they just…didn’t? Even Ryan said he thinks all she did was make it worse.
I will give the show credit because they did stick to the try for buddie scene in every episode. And they had some good scenes. Ryan and Oliver knocked their scenes out in the finale especially but once again we are at the finale and it’s left in a…. Now what ? No real movement forward. Once again all of us going oh next season for sure! And no real clear path toward it. and based on Ryan’s interviews tonight, where it once again sounds like they have no idea what to do with Eddie next season due to the vast amount of directions they seem to want to take him, including apparently Ryan saying in one of them that Tim seems to want to lean more into the Bobby Eddie similarities next season and have Eddie focus a lot more on religion, but Ryan does say he doesn’t think Eddie will become a priest. But still it’s just like… what are we doing. It’s given more we don’t wanna say yes to Buddie and follow the clear narrative direction butttttttt we want the views sooooo let’s make it open ended enough to draw them in. Again.
They said at the start they were going to give, or try to give the fans what they wanted this season and truly, I’m utterly baffled how anyone thought any of this is what we wanted. Like we wanted Henren to get their baby. Madney to have the best wedding. Bathena to thrive and get their honeymoon and have some adventures. Buddie to become buddie and enjoy the Buckley Diaz family in an official capacity. And instead we got circles upon circles with lazy choices taken where they could and next to no real character growth or movement. I’m so sorry for how long this got 😅😅😅
Oh Nonny, how I agree with everything you said here. You get me.
I just posted my episode review and most of the things I talked about are the same things you highlighted.
It was written by Kristen? Ah, that explains a lot actually.
I didn't mind the Diaz parents though. I really do think they were trying to help out in their own way. But all the rest of this post? YEEEES!!!!
I can still see the Buddie of it. I'm still hanging in there. There were too many strange choices made in season 7 to make me believe that Buddie isn't going to happen in season 8. Not to mention the amazing chemistry between Buddie compared to whatever it is they are trying to show us with BT. However, they are on thin ice here. I agree. Things need to start moving along. If not... after season 8 I will retreat to my little nook of Tumblr living off good Buddie fan fiction.
I didn't read any of the Ryan interviews yet. Him leaning into religion and the parallel with Bobby I did see coming. The prayer book was too obvious. I wonder why they had 6 interviews lined up with Ryan over this episode? I get that his storyline is important, but it doesn't warrant 6 interviews, not even the religious aspect of it. I'm going to read some of them today to try and get a clearer image.
I just feel like all of my beloved 911 characters don't have any clear direction at this point. I was surely hoping for some more insight, but all we got was superficial storytelling and no real breakthroughs for anyone.
I don't understand what all those journalists that screened this episode were talking about when they said they saw clear directions for season 8. For me it is the opposite at this point. Where are they taking all of this???
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universescreaming · 28 days ago
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Something about even when Tommy is taking care of Buck there being this distance between them, Tommy is on the couch and turning off the lights while Buck is still trying to talk, Tommy is in the foreground of Buck having another “who are you without your family” moment in a graveyard, Tommy in the hospital, wearing a visitor badge, close but never touching, there but never there.
Something about Tommy being all over this episode and still barely there at all. He is in Buck- Evan’s- life but he’s not in it, he’s on the outside, always behind this invisible fence
Something about “Buck. The people who know me, call me Buck”
Something about Buck telling Tommy- his BOYFRIEND- Tommy all about this curse and this story, but it’s Eddie who has to explain the holes in the story Buck doesn’t know he’s leaving
Something about Tommy being in the room with him when he wakes up with boils but Eddie is the one who checks him out and makes sure he’s okay
Something about Buck being the one we’re shown to get Hens text about Denny, signally everyone else in that room, that family, who got that text except for Tommy, Tommy having to ask what had happened, having to be explained that everything was going to be okay
He is there but he is not, he’s in the room but he’s not apart of it
Something about only dreaming about finding a love like that, something about “you don’t find it son, you make it”
Something about Buck constantly trying to make it work with people, trying to force it to work with people because that what he thinks he meant, because love is work right? It’s something you make work
Something about him always misunderstanding the assignment
Something about the last time Buck was in a graveyard he was shoulder to shoulder with Eddie, talking about how a girl he just met sees him, all the while leaning on Eddie in the aftermath of his death he has accepted but never understood
Something about him telling Tommy that the night they met being the most fun he’s had since dying, something about how he connects Tommy and Natalia to an event neither where there for, as two people who can never understand the horror of those 3 minutes and 17 seconds
Something about Buck throwing himself into danger and adrenaline time after time and chasing relationships that feel like that because that’s love right? Something that feels like being struck by lightening and surviving and non of the side effects
Something about Buck not being able to sleep after his death until he sits on Eddie’s couch, Eddie is the person he comes too for when he’s restless, for the calm after the storm
Something about “it’s about how she makes me feel” “like you’re flying high” “like I’m standing on solid ground”
Something about Tommy being jealous of the 118 and the family they’ve built because he’s not apart of it, and a part of him knows he never will be
Because the roles have all been filled and the family has already been made and he is trying to build something with Buck- Evan- thats already been built
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lover-of-mine · 8 months ago
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Just a thought.
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stolenkissesdiaz · 14 days ago
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they do say when one ships falls another rises from the ashes…..
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sunflowerdigs · 2 months ago
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What if it's not Tommy's Baggage?
So i've seen a lot of speculation that the baggage that will get between Buck and Tommy is going to be Tommy's baggage with Gerrard. But think that may be a misdirection - I think it may be Buck's mustachioed baggage that intrudes into their relationship instead.
If the show wanted to make Tommy's hazing of Hen and Chim the central issue, it would have spent 8x01 reminding the audience of just how brutal Gerrard was back then in order to drive home why Tommy siding with him then isn't something Buck can overlook. Gerrard's racism and misogyny would be on more overt display and Tommy would likely be more wishy-washy about him. Instead, the show has emphasized Gerrard's authoritarianism (and diminished his actual bite as a villain) in order to set him up as a better enemy for Buck (and yes, we should talk about whether that's a good move or if it diminishes what Hen and Chim went through - just not in this meta). The point of Tommy is Buck's growth and Buck breaking up with someone who betrayed his friends is very similar to what happened with Taylor. The show may think of it as retreading old ground.
So, maybe instead we're about to dig into what happened in 7x04 and who Buck was really jealous of. The first few moments of the birthday scene tonight were a misdirection - the viewer was meant to think that Buck and Tommy were doing something together, only for Eddie to literally come to sit between them because the entire scene was actually all about him (and Buck and Christopher). And that's kind of the story of Buck and Tommy's elationship (it's almost a direct parallel to the first Buck and Tommy scene in 7x04 - Buck and Tommy were getting along after the tour and then, boom, in came Eddie).
The show may frame the baggage more around Buck's fear of abandonment and fear that he doesn't deserve the love he wants. Coming on the heels of his attacking Gerrard because he denigrated him verbally, that would make sense. But ever since 7x04, those issues have been tied to Eddie - they're why Buck couldn't face up to his feelings about him. So, I suspect Eddie will come into their fight somehow (I think that's also why, in the US Weekly interview, Oliver didn't mention Eddie as someone he would be leaning on during the dispute with Tommy. Heck, I think that's why Oliver talked about Buck leaning on other people rather than how he and Tommy specifically might work out a disagreement - because this disagreement isn't one that can be worked out. If Tommy isn't it, he isn't it (neat parallel to Eddie and Ana's relationship there)).
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mischiefbuckley · 15 days ago
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the priest saying “there’s nothing I haven’t heard before” because Bobby casual dropped the I killed 148 people in an apartment fire in Minnesota on him and also I am a recovering alcoholic and Eddie Diaz really came into that confessional and was like so let me tell you about the telenovela that I was in last season where I have a best friend and ex-girlfriend in that order and my son who currently is living with my parents because they all caught me while I was lying and seeing my son’s dead mother and I got caught because actually father I am in love with my best friend but I still haven’t realized that and I never actually was in love with my wife more like we were forced into a marriage because she got pregnant and then I decided to run off to join the Army and become an Army Medic for two tours so I wasn’t ready to be in a ready made family with her and I love my son so much don’t get me wrong but I wasn’t in love with his mother but lets go back to talking about my son and my best friend please father
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becausebuckley · 4 months ago
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actually i know we’ve talked about the season 8 opening disaster mirroring the tsunami, but with eddie instead of buck, and i’d like to add that i need the ending song montage to do that too. i need it to be photograph again, and interspersed with shots of disaster aftermath, i need to see gerrard leaving the 118 (hen and chim and ravi watching in satisfaction), i need to see bobby and athena and the kids unpacking boxes in their new house, i need to see chim and hen going to the madney house together to have dinner with their wives and the kids. and i need it to end with eddie standing in front of his bathroom mirror, shaving/brushing his hair/washing his face, and i need him to glance at his phone, open to his text chain to christopher (showing us that they’re talking and working on rebuilding things), and i need ed sheeran to sing “wait for me to come home” before the song fades out. and i need buck to enter the diaz house and yell “eddie, i’m home”. and i need eddie to look at himself in the mirror. and i need him to smile.
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hisbucky · 8 months ago
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Buck: When did you know? Maddie: I know a lot of things, Evan. Buck: Why didn't you tell me I was in love with Eddie?! All this time I could’ve just - Maddie: I told you from the start. I spelled out that boy crush to you, to your face, and I don't want to tell you I told you so — Buck, groans: Then don't. Maddie: But I told you so.
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makorragal-312 · 6 months ago
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I can see it now...
Now that Chris is gone and his relationships with Marisol and Kim are over, Eddie is struggling to keep himself together and decides to stop dating while also trying to figure himself out after everything that happened.
All the while, Buck constantly checks in on him to make sure he's alright and even goes as far as to stay over at his place so that he doesn't wake up by himself. And now that Gerrard is captain and is making their shifts miserable, that becomes a common occurrence. And around the same time, Buck and Tommy are going through a rough patch because of him cancelling plans to check on Eddie and how Tommy wants Buck to act around Gerrard, which ultimately leads to them breaking up.
Then down the line, Eddie and Buck start to become closer than ever and Eddie comes to the conclusion that his relationships never worked out because he was trying to make a family with the wrong person when the whole time, he already had a family with the right person, which was Buck. At the same time, Buck starts to catch feelings for Eddie but is afraid to act on them partly out of fear and mainly because he doesn't want to take advantage of him when he's still missing Chris.
But eventually, Eddie just goes "fuck it" and finally kisses Buck, who has no qualms about kissing him back...
...and then, Chris walks through the door.
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bidisasterevankinard · 10 months ago
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I really think Buck talks about tsunami with Chris here(as Eddie said it was 3years in 6x7 it can be 4 years anniversary and they need to make smt and Chris decides to use real hero from tsunami because kid might see tsunami differently from Buck cause he was small and he was protected enough. Chris might not understand how awful it was. I mean he's only 13)
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it goes good with water related emergency where Bobby in danger. Which I hope lead to Buck's breakdown
And it then goes good with parallel where Eddie again puts his hand on Buck's shoulder as call back to 3x3 to make him remember that Eddie said that day
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So Buck feels bad(start of his breakdown era I hope) after the talk with Chris before they are called to cruise emergency and Eddie talks with him again, but it doesn't make Buck feel at ease and then they are working on cruise call and maybe Buck need to safe Eddie and the kid who looks like Chris(maybe both), or maybe even Bobby, and his already bad headspace snaps and he breaks
And it's Eddie's turn to be here with him. To "sit" with Buck in his worst
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choclamilk · 1 month ago
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interestingly enough, in tonight’s episode eddie met a man and said “mind if i take a look at that?” and in season four when he reconnected with ana, he said the same thing to her.
the guy responded “today must be my lucky day” which ana responded to eddie with that same phrase as well.
the only difference between this parallel, eddie was still chasing shannon’s ghost when he met ana. the panic attacks, the nuclear family make believe, etc etc. he never truly let that go and he never stopped to think what he wanted because it was all about what was best for christopher. he had to make sure his son was taken care of before he was because his father had put that type of mentality into his head since he was a young boy. to be a provider, to be a protector.
but we know now eddie confronted shannon’s ghost and lost his son in the process. this identity he made for himself is gone and now he is forced to look at himself raw. the parallel between these scenes just goes to show the growth eddie will have as a character. going from a man who needed to replace his wife to confronting a man who is a terrible father and not supporting his son is certainly a choice the writers made here. the implications of this whole scene paralleling eddie’s identity and the relationship with his father is just so interesting to me.
eddie’s gay arc is going to be very interesting to watch.
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lover-of-mine · 8 months ago
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Remember how I made the big framing in buddie conversations meta and then another one when the gym stills came out that comes down to how conversations about Buck, Buck is sitting down.
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About Eddie, both of them are sitting down.
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About Chris, they are sitting on the same surface
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But when they are on the same level and standing up, the conversation tends to be about their relationship with each other.
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I know it looks pretty obvious that this is them talking about their relationship, but following patterns on the show, this is them talking about their relationship.
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And I'm also interested in what camera angles we are going to get on this scene, because the tsunami for instance they are facing each other but they make a point that for parts of the scene we can see both of their faces, not just them speaking and reacting to each other like in the grocery store for example. I am so curious.
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groupielove21 · 7 months ago
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“It was originally, possibly going to be with Eddie and Tommy, but that fell through.”
I really feel like we didn't have this because Ryan refused, and I completely agree!
Ryan really understands Eddie like no one else.
How would Eddie go out in less than two weeks with a man he just met?
Eddie Díaz, who grew up in Texas, in a complete Latin Catholic family.
Eddie Díaz, whom he told from a young age how he had to be a "real man/family father."
Eddie Díaz, who was only in a relationship with three women in his life and only loved one of them in a relationship that he tried to escape from and only held on to because he truly loved Shannon and the idea of ​​a family for his son.
Eddie Díaz who preferred to go to the army before facing his feelings.
Eddie Díaz, who is capable of destroying his room, losing sleep, having panic attacks, changing jobs leaving behind one of the things that makes him feel alive as long as the people he loves are happy and don't worry about him.
That Eddie Díaz needs much more than a pretty man with a helicopter to realize that that feeling of pretending, of never fitting in, of always following his instincts but never what his heart wants, are actually all the things that happen to him because he doesn't want to see that he loves other men the way he was told all his life to love women.
That Eddie Díaz, who just needs to look inside himself for a while longer, make more progress than he already does, and realize that he already loves another man and has a perfect life waiting for him if he's willing to take it.
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mischiefbuckley · 28 days ago
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I just had a thought… Eddie doesn’t know that Buck was clawing his way through wet mud to get to him right??? So what if that’s one of the confessions learned while on the call like how they told Eddie he couldn’t get down the well this time around in the preview for episode 6 we saw at the end of the episode like again the show itself is drawing the parallel between this well call and the well call from the “Eddie Begins” episode like when he did last time go down a well to rescue a kid that was trapped and what if someone mentions that Buck was clawing his way through wet mud trying to get to Eddie once he was trapped underneath in the well and Eddie learns again just how insane Buck reacts whenever he gets injured on calls
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meep-meep-richie · 7 months ago
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I need a scene were Eddie is staring at Buck and Tommy dancing at Madneys wedding with a jealous face; cause he wants to dance with Buck like that.
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fiona-fififi · 12 days ago
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You know, the more I think about it, the more I do actually think a storyline about Buck fucking around (or at least dating around) would be interesting. Like, my first instinct was that it would be bad for Buck, specifically, because he's always used sex in unhealthy ways and because I really do think he's seeking a permanent kind of love.
But, you know, that's not working for him right now. He's spent 8 years entering what he hopes to be long-term, forever kinds of relationships and they just keep falling through. Abby, Ali, Taylor, Natalia, Tommy. Five failed relationships, all of which he clung to beyond their expiration date (well, all except Ali, I guess). That's a lot for him to just want to try to jump in with another person he doesn't know and try to make it work, and he has just discovered this new part of his identity—which, of course, for some people, they wouldn't need to explore—but I do think it's something a single, unattached Buck would want to explore.
And I don't even necessarily think this would have to be a backslide. But if it was, that would be okay, too, because healing isn't linear and people fuck up and do things that aren't good for them all the time, and Buck feeling hopeless and going back to his old ways because what he really wants isn't working, makes a lot of sense to me. I will admit, my first instinct was that I didn't want him to backslide, but actually, I do think there would be an interesting story to tell there, and it might even sell the way his character has stagnated in the same boring, unfulfilling relationships over and over again by calling attention to it and recognizing that Buck is feeling it, too—not just that the particular most recent relationship has failed, but that he's feeling like he's not worthy, can't make things work, isn't meant to be loved because it keeps happening. Which I don't think they've ever explored in depth before.
So having Buck backslide, or even just take a step back and decide he wants to have some casual sex for a bit while he tries to figure himself out (and by that, I do not mean his sexuality, but rather what he needs to make him happy), then I think there actually could be a really interesting story to be told there that would be both very true to the character and would serve to break this broken record of storylines for him (because yeah, it's been done before, but at least not since s1, really).
And honestly, I'm not sure where else they would go with Buck right now. This does actually feel like a logical progression for him, and I can't think of anything else they could do with him unless they decide to speedrun buddie and/or intertwine him fully with the Eddie and Chris plot (which I could see happening, and I also think could work). But beyond that, I don't see an obvious logical story progression for Buck at this moment, and I would rather see him backslide a bit with this than have them slap some completely random new plotline on him without warning, because we've all seen how poorly those have been handled lately.
And as an aside, I could also see a Buck backslide potentially causing some of the tension they're talking about for Buck and Eddie. Because Eddie's never directly known that part of Buck, and last season, he was ensuring Buck that he'd seen the growth in him and trusted him to talk to Christopher because of his past and his growth beyond it. And I could see Eddie struggling a bit with a side of Buck he's never actually encountered before, and maybe (if it is a legitimate backslide for him, and he's using casual sex as an unhealthy coping mechanism) with a part of Buck he doesn't know how to help.
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