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I LOVE SIGLAI I LOVE SIGLAI I LOVE SIGLAI I LOVE SIGLAI I LOVE SIGLAI
I LOVE SIGLAI
SIGLAI SIGLAI SIGLAI!!!!!!
#bungou stray dogs#bsd#siglai#siglai canon#bsd gogol#bsd sigma#honorable mentions#fyosiglai#and steincraft#guys i think they love siglai...#bsd fans are mental#tumblr fyp#tumblr nonsense
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dazai stop rizzing up the enemy challenge go!!
#i'm convinced the whole meursault arc is just a massive hangover dream fabricated by dazaiđ#when your friend group is small but you're all gay and mentally ill#literally all i could think about watching dazai waltz around with sigma and flirting with him nonstop was fyo and chuuya just going :/#while watching them through the security cameras#honestly they slayed sokouku could never#no better way to spend your last thirty minutes alive than ballroom dancing with the enemy against their will#dazai and sigma's interactions are the only thing keeping bsd fans (me) sane atp#bungo stray dogs#bungou stray dogs#bsd#dazai osamu#sigma bsd#nakahara chuuya#fyodor dostoevsky#sigzai#soukoku#skk#lotus draws
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reblog to gently feed him a cheese puff out of the palm of your hand
#scribbles#bungou stray dogs#bsd#goncharov bsd#ivan goncharov bsd#ivan bsd#ivan goncharov#blood#head trauma#gore#hes my fav minor character of choice#i love characters who have fucked up brains. the dominus fan says#i have a highly specific vision of after the cannibalism arc goncharov is taken to some government ability hospital-prison#because i think something a lot of ppl miss with him - or rather what compels me to him - is his mental vulnerability and lack of autonomy#whatever fyodor did to his brain? FUCKED UP!! i honestly just feel Bad for goncharov more than anything else#im rly not a fan of the whole shippingbrained take that hes just another like. villain yaoi guy you can ship with fyodor#when his circumstances of like. all things considered being completely unable to think properly much less consent#make him waay more dubious to ship with than like. idk shibusawa or whoever#i love goncharov tho hes really intriguing. ik he just kinda exists for shock value and a fight scene and making fyodor scarier#BUT i like him:] and people have been obsessed with characters for less so i get him#he gets a pov scene in a fic im writing with my friend dark and im excited to get to share that
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bsd is to gay teens as hetalia was to mentally ill teens
#no i wont elaborate#its just 2p hetalia#have never met a mentally well hetalia fan#have never met a straight bsd fan#bsd#bungou stray dogs#hetalia#2p hetalia
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I love when my day is going normal and I feel like I might be normal person and then BOOM
I remember "The core characterization of Dazai and Chuuya's partnership is based on pure trust where both of them are capable of leaving each other's life on the other's hand without a second thought or doubt." is something that is actually canon from the guide book and I go insane over skk like I always do
#skk fans are so mentally ill#im skk fans#bsd#chuuya#dazai#hate these mfs /j#they ruined my life honestly#skk#soukoku
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âQUIZ TIME!! Howâs your day?â
Nikolai wants to know howâs your day been :)
#make friends#anime and manga#anime fans#safe place#yourbuddytalks#positive mental attitude#positivity#anime#motivation#nikolai x reader#nikolai gogol#bsd nikolai#nikolai bsd#nikolai bungou stray dogs#bsd anime#bungo stray dogs x you#bungou stray dogs#bsd#bsd x reader#bungo stray dogs x reader#bungo stray dogs#bsd gogol#positive thoughts#positive quotes#reminders#hows your day going#howâs everyone doing#howâs your day going?#howâs it going
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Sometimes I'm just peacefully eating dinner then CHOKE ON IT CAUSE I REMEMBER BSD CHAPTER IS TONIGHT
#i won't be getting any sleep and tmrw's a school monday yall#bungou stray dogs#bsd#bsd shitpost#sleep is for the weak#sleep is for the mentally stable#and bsd fans. as one myself. are decidedly not#/aff#bsd manga#bsd chapter 111.5
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HE'S FUCKING W H A T??
#bungo stray dogs#bsd#edgar allen poe bsd#karl bsd#karl marx#no BSD fan is mentally stable in the slightest
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Mmmhh...
#(Basically rant on my last two posts)#I know I've said it before and sorry for coming off as annoyingâ#but I really wish we still had a central bsd blog on Tumblr like fy-bungoustraydogs or bsd-central or things of the kind.#I think now everyone rushes to post news first. And although there's merit to it in knowing news as soon as they happenâ#in the long run the death of this kind of central official content ***fan*** blogs is such a huge loss of fandom spacesâ#especially for the archiving purposes they solved. Especially today that T/witter and G/oogle have basically become unusable.#Literally. Literally. I've been doing official content archiving since I was 11#(because that's the very specific kind of mental illness I have)#and let me tell you that the quality of web search and especially reverse image search only got worseâ#in a way that is very evident and noticeable. Which is crazy tbh and not how things should work.#If anyone would like to start a bsd-central kind of blog I'll be the first one to follow.#Actually if anyone actually wants to establish it feel free to contact me and I'll be more than happy to share the resources I have!!!!#It just needs to be something multi-modded for a series of reasons I won't get into right now#I just can't personally do it (not as main admin at least) because that would be modding my FIFTH active bsd blogâ#and that's a little too much even for me.#On top of some ethical concerns I have regarding whether it'd be fair for me to mod a fandom central bsd blogâ#when I feel like I can't genuinely share the same amount of love for the franchise other fans share#On top of. You know. Getting a degree eventually hopefully.#Then years after the blog has been solidly enstablished and aquired enough credibility it could even open a free donations found to investâ#in buying and scanning and releasing bsd content that hasn't been shared yet like the guidebooks or illustration books or everything elseâ#for everyone to see...#The dream. (Is realistically never going to happen) (Won't stop me from daydreaming about it every day)#((Still salty I couldn't afford the guidebooks only due to the shipment prices. I *would* have scanned and uploaded them.))#That was a long and idealistic rant. Kyotag out#Edit: *Modding my SIXTH bsd blog#Apparently I mod so many blogs I lost count of them
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never getting over the way people look at the early chapters of bsd and the way dazais suicide attempts are framed and the adaâs response to them and come to the conclusion that 'the ada doesnât care about dazaiâ rather than 'asagiri has some questionable views'
#bc these attempts are continually framed as funny#theyâre not meant to be taken seriously by the other characters not the readers#theyâre meant as dazaiâs character quirk the narrative never takes them seriously#so to come to the conclusion that itâs just the ada members being purposely mean is ridiculous#esp when we see later on that this behavior is at odds with their views/actions regarding the value of life#itâs not them itâs literally just asagiri#bsd fans have such a hard time criticizing this man itâs insane#txt.#i might elaborate on this if i find the energy#the discourse regarding dazaiâs attempts is just. unbearable#the way his trauma is treated as a justification for him to be an absolute dickhead is crazy#mental health issues arenât a moral high ground but ppl seem to have a hard time wrapping their heads around that#ada getting flack from the fans for not coddling him. insanity#anyway. adding this to the never ending list of posts i should make
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Look what I found on wordfinderx's Every Country Highest Rated Book by A Local Author survey!
Dead authors fanfic actually beating up all the actual authors and other millions of manga and taking the 1st place...
I can't take this seriously at all...
#bsd appearing most random ass places their fans could imagine#i wasn't expecting it to appear at all#asagiri I hope you are seeing this#you deserved the 1st place with all those tears heartbreaks and mental stability of the fans you've sacrificed#bungo stray dogs#bungo sd#bsd#asagiri kafka#also please look at the big ass modaozushi pic taking over the whole china next to it
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did i take a break from bsd content because i found a new thing to hyperfixate on? yes
have i lost interest in said hyperfixation and am now in need of a different one? also yes
#aka my cycle of fixating on bsd just long enough to get tired of thinking about it#moving on to something else (in this case ark and avatar)#and then returning to bsd like the loyal mentally (un)healthy fan than i am#in other news once i read the last few monthsâ chapters iâll probably find something to post about#and hopefully the post isnât lost to the void since iâve been inactive for so long everybody forgot about me
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I FINISHED FLOWERS OF BUFFOONERY!!!!! I HAD SO MUCH FUN!!!! i laughed so much man it was great!!!!!!!!!!! the little narrator comments were amazing!!!! the book is a mess but you still like reading it!!!!!!
came surprisingly close to the way i write things which was like. an out of body experience for sure lmao. but uh. yeah no I loved it it made no sense READ IT!!! ITS LIKE 100 PAGES OF CHAOS!!!!!!!!!!!
#dazai#dazai osamu#the real one#real author dazai#flowers of buffoonery#no longer human#i have to tag this#bungou stray dogs#as well#for all bsd fans out there who need to recover from nlh#i loved it#so much fun#my guy is uh#not doing well tho#like damn way to have a mental breakdown#the style is so much more important than the story kill me it was so good#watch me ramble about it to all of my friends#HI!!!!! IT WAS GOOD!!!!!! READ IT!!!!!!!!!#help#fuck#aaghhhh#losing it#raine talks#bsd#tagging it because i never would have discovered the og author's works and#that would have been so sad
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BSD DISABILITY WEEK PROMPTS (2024)
Thank you all so much for voting on the poll. The event will be happening July 14th-July 20th. Here are the prompts. There are two prompt lists, one with general, more vague prompts, and one with more specific, pointed prompts. Feel free to pick and choose which ones you use.
General prompt list / prompt list A:
Physical Disability - July 14th
Mental Disability - July 15th
Experiences with ableism - July 16th
Mobility Aids & accommodations / accsesability - July 17th
Chronic Illness - July 18th
Self Care - July 19th
Free Space - July 20th
Specific prompt list / prompt list B
Hypermobility - July 14th
Blindness - July 15th
Deafness - July 16th
POTS - July 17th
Neurodivergency - July 18th
PTSD - July 19th
Genetic Disorders - July 20th
Note: Please keep in mind that you do not have to follow these prompts, or use them on these days. I'm really sorry that i couldn't fit every disability on here, i did the best i could to make a pretty wide range of prompts. If you make any disability related fan content feel free to tag it for bsd disability week 2024!!!
#bungou stray dogs#bsd disability week#bsd disability week 2024#bungo stray dogs#bsd anime#disability#disabled#prompt list#bsd disability week update
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ON DAZAI AND EMPATHY: A character study Before you read: Obviously diagnosing any character in fiction seriously is a foolâs errand, but I am a fool, so letâs just do this for amusement. The main thing I desire is to discuss is the extent to which Dazai is capable of various types of empathy, as well as how that influences the way he sees and interacts with others. It will be chaotic and all over the place because I just sat down and wrote this in a fit. Let me explain some factors in analyzing Osamu: The author's intention is clearly to make Dazai's internal world a mystery. Since we don't have enough information, all we can do is hypothesize based on external elements. Generally, across all novels, the only time weâve seen anything of Dazaiâs perspective is in âThe Day I picked up Dazaiâ (Beast continuity) â where he âsavesâ Oda and tortures that random dude. We donât hear his thoughts narrated from first-person perspective, unlike many of the other novels.
Now, the crux of the issue. For years, itâs been discussed whether Dazai is a âsociopathâ. If we disregard that sociopathy is a very loaded term that can mean a lot of things depending on which specialist you consult, at the very least, Dazai does strike me as someone with a unique expression of empathy, who could qualify for Anti-social personality disorder or a related condition. I will abandon the idea that Dazai is a sociopath, and use actual concepts that have legitimacy within this post. Whether Dazai could qualify for ASPD or any other disorder is something I've seen discussed for many years within the fandom. I'll try to analyze how these concepts could apply to him. In regards to mental health and Kafka (since it is a contentious matter) and the validity of any of this: I understand that a lot of people are resistant to the idea that any of the characters could have conditions more complex than depression, anxiety, and PTSD. This is my counterpoint. I have noticed that Asagiri emulates a lot of characteristics commonly attributed to âgeniusesâ, without confirming or potentially even intending to write these characters as having a specific condition.
A great example is Ranpo â who will read as autistic to any decent mental health professional (Untold Origins). Did Asagiri intentionally sit down and say âI am going to write an autistic characterâ? Maybe not. However, the âgeniusâ stereotype is profoundly connected to visions of autism, even if people arenât aware of it. Take people like Sherlock, House and L from Death Note â theyâre commonly believed to be autistic by fans. All of these characters borrow from the same group of traits, that just happens to correspond with a certain condition - savants have always been popular in fiction. It's been known that the favorite type of character for Asagiri is the âprodigyâ type, and he has used geniuses across fiction for inspiration of most notable intelligent characters within BSD. For Ranpo it was Sherlock, for Fyodor it was Joker from the Dark Knight (a classic sociopath), for Dazai it was Patrick from The Mentalist.
What Iâm trying to say is, you can see various personality disorders connected to the portrayal of these geniuses, and even without confirming their state, it is clear they are either intentionally or unintentionally coded to be that way. Extremely intelligent characters not being able to read social cues, lacking empathy, disregarding rules etc. is something we commonly see in fiction. Basically, a lot of people donât even know that these stereotypes are based on certain personality types, disorders, and illnesses. Itâs sort of like drawing a character and dyeing their hair a certain shade of blue that you donât know the particular name of: it doesnât change the fact that you used that color, and the fact it has a name. Most authors are not mental health experts anyways, so they may not be entirely aware of every detail of the psychological framework they write the character to possess. They also may not write it consistently, as they're mostly emulating stereotypes. I mention Ranpo and autism because a character can embody traits of a stereotype without the author even necessarily having the intention to do so, however, to anyone who knows a thing or two, it is clear Ranpo is on the spectrum. If Ranpo were to express a few traits that go against this, it would not necessarily take away from the large-scale portrayal he is meant to exude: an autistic coded genius.
Why am I saying this? It is entirely possible for the author to write Dazai as a person with anti-social personality disorder, to âcodeâ him in that way, but to not be entirely aware of how an individual with ASPD realistically tends to act. Because he may be emulating a certain "stereotype" of a genius, he may also end up emulating specific psychological states, without making them entirely consistent in a realistic way. Writing the way individuals with ASPD tend to deal with empathy can be extremely difficult for anyone. It's easy to emulate a sociopath on a superficial level, but beyond that, it gets more challenging. How would a person with limited empathy act when they're hurting someone? That is an easier idea to handle. But how will they act in a friendly relationship? This is where it gets tricky. That is likely why someone like Dazai can never be consistently compatible with a very specific disorder: but, he can come very close. Besides, concepts such as anxiety and depression are pretty well-known, but more niche mental health conditions are not as well understood. So, BSD Osamu was written with specific attention to mental health issues because the author himself was someone who spoke heavily on the topic. Iâve read a lot of real-life Dazai Osamu, with special attention to No Longer Human (the main inspiration for BSD Dazai was Yozo) â and neither RL Dazai nor Yozo gave me the impression they could qualify for ASPD at all.
I know BSD Dazai is the opposite of the RL author in so many ways, but I guess itâs relevant to mention this because we know so little of BSD Dazaiâs internal working processes, and Asagiri's main inspiration can tell us a lot about the intentions behind Dazai's portrayal. Generally, an intention or idea behind a character can give a lot of clues to us - more than anything, I am under the impression some of the main ideas behind Dazai's creation was that: 1) He doesn't feel like he belongs among humans 2) He has mental health issues However, we have difficulty defining the exact source of why all of this is in more realistic terms.
Naturally, since Dazai, an extremely socially intelligent person, sees himself as "othered", it is logical to assume he is not capable of fulfilling some emotional function most people can in a successful enough way. If he were just mentally ill in more typical ways (only depression), I theorize he wouldn't feel that "othered". He specifically is not meant to feel human. Obviously, his extreme intelligence is one of the things that isolates him, but the question is what else?
We are led to believe Dazai "sees" something the rest of us don't, and that is one of the reasons he wants to die. However, there is something more to it, as I believe it to be. We have two characters who are as intelligent as Dazai: Fyodor and Ranpo, and neither of them is suicidal, as far as we know. I believe Dazai "feels" a certain way, and then finds a way to logically justify it. Due to his intelligence, he likely falls into a complex loop which leads him to existential nihilism: but you usually don't end up in a place like that if you tend to feel alright in the first place, regardless of how smart you may be. While Dazai is certainly isolated due to his extreme intelligence, most of the people who made an impact on him are nowhere near him in that respect. In fact, I'd argue Dazai isn't even looking for someone equally intelligent to him, unlike Fyodor (this would take another post to explain).
The man who means the world to him, Oda, is more emotionally intelligent and full of common sense, but definitely not his cognitive equal. You can tell a lot about a person depending on what they value: and due to this I believe that Dazai's main issues relate to emotional matters. He primarily feels isolated due to his emotional state, and his intelligence pushes the problem further. Otherwise, he would treasure people like Ranpo and Fyodor over guys like Oda and Atsushi: he's looking for something to ease his emotional pain. Dazai doesn't seek out raw intellectual stimulation as much as comfort/excitement. This post will be an analysis of how Dazai compares to the "average" psychologically and some of the reasons he may feel so othered. Basically, my theory is that the feeling of being "othered" comes from his emotional profile, as much as it comes from his intellectual capacity. Those two take equal parts in his psyche.
Why would Dazai feel so emotionally "othered"? I believe it may have to deal with a specific personality disorder or condition, and mainly how he experiences empathy. One of the possibilities is ASPD. Anyways, letâs look into common ASPD symptoms, and then we'll look into common behavioral patterns the character shows. Dazai is equal amounts portrayed seriously and in a âjokeyâ way, but his worst traits and moments are usually described without humor. To preface: Keep in mind that you can have any or all of these traits without it qualifying you for a certain disorder. It is the extent to which you show it that makes a person, like Dazai, out of the norm.
1. Repeatedly breaking the law: This one goes without saying, he was in the Mob as Young as 15, and seemingly a violent criminal even before that age. To differentiate him from other members of the Mafia, it is stated by tons of people throughout the story that Dazai was practically born for this job.
Oda in Dark Era:
He was openly murderous before the age of 15, according to both The Day I picked up Dazai and Fifteen:
Dazai and Oda interacting in TDIPUD When talking to Kyouka, it seems that he has an âinteresting relationshipâ with murder as a whole:
One thing is for sure, Dazai is much calmer, calculated, and more Machiavellian than most criminals in BSD, and this all started at an extremely young age. Many people kill when they're young, but they're not this casual about it. Â The age at which he was this cold about would be of diagnostic significance.
2. Lack of remorse: Everything mentioned above, it is clear that Dazai has an even more complicated relationship with guilt and empathy. Iâm pretty sure anyone in real life would consider him out of the norm, as itâs explicitly stated Dazai doesnât feel remorse for all sorts of things he does, but there are some hints he is either ashamed of the way he is, or regrets his nature, but accepts it. What is particularly significant here is how young Dazai is when he shows a marked level of these traits. A key event that stuck with me is from the Dragon Head event in Mayoi (from my understanding it was written by Asagiri), where Shibusawa mentions Dazai will regret something (to me it sounded like he meant that killing Shibusawa will end poorly for Osamu). However, Dazaiâs reaction was interesting â it was like he was almost amused that anyone would believe Dazai âcouldâ feel regret for anything.
Mayoi Later down the timeline itâs quite questionable whether Dazai feels regret for some of his actions because he hides his feelings like a snake hides its legs, but there are implications he is somewhat remorseful if you read between the lines. More on that later. Dazai has changed compared to his past self, but to talk about that, and the extent to which he has changed would take a whole other post.
More on his lack of remorse, In âThe Heartless Curâ Dazai is very young when he gets some randos from the Mafia killed in front of Akutagawa, yet his main emotions are amusement and boredom. This is not the âtypicalâ emotional range of most people, even practiced criminals. For example, Chuuya kills people just like Dazai, but his reactions to it are entirely different. Â
from The Heartless Cur Murder tends to not be the preferred or first solution Chuuya goes for: there is an expected amount of hesitance if you read into Chuuya. He put a bomb below Chuuyaâs and sabotaged Angoâs car without much bother. Iâd say even if you do see It as a âmeans to an endâ, the way he did it was really cold. Usually, when people of all kinds do bad things, they have remorse and empathy they need to suppress, but with Dazai we don't see much of that. It's like he can just "do it'. Heâs also really great at torture, in Side B at age 15-16, he already describes himself as a âspecialistâ. This is also touched upon when he speaks to Kouyou:
No matter how "grey" a character is, torture is a very specific process that takes a particular psychological profile to pull off. To be a "specialist" at it, you definitely need to possess dented empathy. Lack of remorse and empathy does not mean a person is going to be a criminal at all - it simply opens the opportunity that they may get lost in those waters more easily compared to the average person.
3. Repeatedly being deceitful Iâm pretty sure we donât have to cover this one. Yozo, the character he was loosely based on, is a big liar, and commonly uses âclowningâ to distract from his real personality. Even the real Dazai Osamu wrote extensively about the concept of âlyingâ. Â There is a lot to talk about Dazai and âmaskingâ, and Iâll get to that in the second half of the post. Generally, Dazai lies a lot, one canât even be sure what his personality really is. He lies by omission, manipulates, and intentionally deceives people without any issues. There are so many quotes about this that Iâd probably reach the image limit right there if I wanted to reference them all. 4. Being impulsive or incapable of planning ahead Does not apply
5. Has difficulty sustaining long-term relationships: Dazai is famously a hoe. From âAll women are his typeâ (and it seems he has zero issues getting together with any woman, young, old or even taken) to being known as âthe enemy of all womenâ (said by Chuuya), itâs clear he is very promiscuous. Wan is in the gray area of canon, but in one of the earlier chapters he has so many love letters by different women that Atsushi burns them all. Kunikida said he hits on any woman he sees in the Entrance exam novel, which is further supported by random Wan! Chapters, silly crossovers, and everything else (literally anything female).
Not only that, but Dazai sounds like a consistently manipulative and toxic romantic partner. In an Otomedia interview, written by Asagiri, Dazaiâs real type was basically something like: âAny woman is fine, because he is confident he can shape her to suit his tastesâ which shows a remarkable lack of care for the personhood and individuality of his partner.
When answered what heâd do if his partner cheated or betrayed him, his answer was even more concerning. Depending on the translation, it goes something like: âHe has not been cheated on, but he has cheated on othersâ or âhe set up women to cheat on him/betray himâ where both are a lot, just in different ways.
Either he is compulsively unfaithful, putting all above together, or he plays mindgames with his partners. Heâs also told Kunikida that: âAnd from my experience, it takes only a smile and some kindness to get a woman swooning over you when she's fallen on hard timesâ painting an image of someone who takes advantage of peopleâs weaknesses to get what he wants.
Regardless, itâs clear he is very manipulative and likely emotionally abusive. I wonât even touch upon his obsession with double suicide. Thereâs also the fact that he seems to use sex to get what he wants â insert scene where he fucks the nurse to get his phone back.
Other than that, Dazai appears to be rather solitary. Ango and Oda are said to be âthe only ones close to himâ because they respected said loneliness. Even in ADA, Dazai seems to be professionally close to people, but very few people seem to know him on a personal level. Iâd say he keeps people at a distance intentionally â before it was violently, later it is by being avoidant. For as much of a womanizer he is, there was that early comic where he spent Valentineâs Day drinking at Lupin âwith Odaâ, instead of going out with any particular person. I think this demonstrates how emotionally distant he is from all the people he interacts with
6. Being irritable and aggressive:
Dazai is not particularly aggressive, nor irritable, but he has moments where he slips. Tbh, reading back, it says a lot about Dazaiâs character who he gets angry at and why. Itâs important to say that when Higuchi calls him out on âHollowing out the hearts of his opponentsâ in incredibly brutal ways, Dazai replies that he thinks âSadism is just a method, and how itâs boringâ.
Akutagawa is the receiver of a lot of his violence to a disproportionate degree. He beats up Akutagawa beyond what could ever be âjust trainingâ. Thereâs something that ticks him off about Akutagawa, which is interesting, since Dazai tends to not react this way to anyone who doesnât touch him âintimatelyâ in some way. A lot of people justify Dazaiâs physical abuse by saying it is âtrainingâ, but it stood out to me how he kicks Akutagawa in the stomach even the first time he meets him in âBeastâ, when Akutagawa is just an extremely traumatized and deprived kid he refuses to recruit. There is not much utility to that kick, to me. It felt personal.
Another example of him expressing anger is when people âcalled him foolish for wanting to dieâ â clearly he did not take it well since all of those people ended up dead. This is from âThe Day I picked up Dazaiâ when Oda tells him he is a fool for wanting to die.
Other times Dazai expressed rage was in relation to Ango and Oda, particularly anything that related to Odaâs wellbeing.
He snaps at his subordinates when they tell him he shouldnât be friends with someone âof such low statusâ, and the only time we really hear Dazai say he hates someone is when heâs torturing one of the guys who put Oda in trouble in the Beast timeline of âThe day I picked up Dazaiâ. Obviously, he is resentful towards Ango and incapable of forgiving him. âDead Appleâ guidebook touches on it.
âThough they were once good buddies who used to drink together, to Dazai, Ango is one of the persons who caused the death of Odasaku. He still holds that resentment up to now, and is unable to forgive. Ango also seems to feel Dazaiâs silent wrath towards him.â
Harukawa has said to pay attention to how cloudy the eyes of a character are to accurately interpret their psychological state. I don't think there are many times Dazai's eyes are drawn in such an extreme way - there is no "light" she talks about here. His eyes are pure black when he talks to Mori during the Guild arc.
He also agrees with Fyodor on âMalice being the best fruit that God Bestowed upon Mankindâ
There is also this with Jouno:
Basically, Dazai rarely gets angry, insults donât work on him (as he tells Chuuya), nor does beating him up, but when he does get irritated he flies off the handle and has no issue crossing any normal boundaries.
That detail is what stands out to me â usually, people have a line they wonât cross when getting mad, but for Dazai itâs like most moral lines disappear. Imo, his anger is for social standards over disproportionate in how far heâll go and how he'll act on itâ he usually has a clear intention to harm the individual he's mad about. In comparison, Chuuya is someone who gets angry more than Dazai, but Chuuya clearly has a line he wonât cross. There is also no pointed sadism in his reactions. Dazai will likely do almost anything.
Basically, it's not how much Dazai gets angry, but the way he gets mad that sticks out to me. Most importantly, Dazai only ever gets enraged if it concerns something very personal and intimate: Oda and his death, his suicide attempts etc. At this point, for me, Itâs safe to say that if Dazai gets extremely angry, it means the topic affects him on a deep level (a hint to whatever Is happening between him and Akutagawa, I could talk a lot about that).Â
More on Dazaiâs unpredictable and violent nature:
Stormbringer I think there is a valid argument in seeing Dazaiâs aggression as just a tool he uses to keep others at bay, something to hold over people and control them â but even then, it shows a marked disinterest in social norms people usually respect.
7.Having a reckless disregard for their safety or the safety of others This one builds upon all the others. However, itâs always been interesting to me how itâs clear something flies over Dazaiâs head when it comes to regularly empathizing with others.
This is often seen with Chuuya. In my opinion, most of the bullying Dazai gives Chuuya is not motivated out of rage, but rather some form of spite. He goes at length to Rimbaud about planning Chuuyaâs murder in â15â, then he also lets Chuuya be tortured in âStormbringerâ.
I am under the impression he sees these moments as âamusingâ and doesnât fully emotionally understand why this is something bad, even if he does on a rational level. Iâll say that Dazai did seem to show some rage whenever anyone hurt him physically in the past (seems likely to be a hint to a traumatic past), which Chuuya did when they met, but I donât get the impression he is generally angry with Chuuya, itâs more like he just enjoys fucking with him. Ironically, for how rarely Dazai gets angry, it seems he reserves his rage/irritation exclusively for people and things he cares about, so Dazai being specifically irritated at Chuuya is just a sign of how much the guy gets to him.
If Dazai were angry at Chuuya, it is in character that he would try to hurt him a lot more than he does. However, I'd say Dazai has a blurry space for what's ok between "keeping someone purely safe" and "deeply hurting them". There is some lack of emotional empathy there - to him, it is more amusing than anything to see someone he finds interesting struggle.
Dazai sees boundaries differently. Heâll put people into danger or through discomfort without worrying much, especially if heâs sure theyâre going to walk and live after it, but sometimes not even that. (thereâs so many examples of it). Iâd say itâs not that Dazai doesnât care, he just cares about people differently compared to what weâre used to socially.
Regarding personal safety, itâs pretty obvious: heâs a suicide maniac, but even more, he also puts himself in harmâs way all the time without any anxiety present. Examples are when he provokes that sniper in Dark Era (when Oda gets angry at him and wants to punch him), knows he is going to get shot by Fyodor, but lets himself get hurt anyway. When he âdiesâ in 55 minutes, he seems âlightlyâ surprised, but thereâs no strong reaction to it. Â To me, it seems that the only physical harm he dislikes is pain he suffers from another person (when he doesnât plan it). Dazai apparently doesnât feel much âanxietyâ â I remember many different times when he comments on another characterâs timidness or meekness, seeing it as something unusual.
8. Behave irresponsibly and show disregard for normal social behaviour Heâs extremely eccentric, and even Ranpo says he doesnât get him. Dazai asks women to commit suicide the moment he meets them, and often attempts suicide around people even if it distresses them (Entrance exam).
While I think he made this excuse in Dark Era to Taneda because he didnât want to work with Ango, I do believe he believes what he said: âYouâd lose your job if I did that.â Dazai wryly smirked. âI donât like places with lots of rules.â Not being able to accept conventional rules is very often a telltale sign of a personality disorder. Clearly, Dazai fits many of the criteria necessary for having ASPD, so letâs look at some other details that are common for people with ASPD.
Masking: In psychology and sociology, masking is the process in which an individual camouflages their natural personality or behavior to conform to social pressures. Masking is common with many disorders, such as autism, ASPD etc. I am pretty sure itâs canon Dazai masks â on a BSD exhibit, the key element Asagiri wanted to talk about in Dazaiâs personality was related to this. Â
âWhen I describe Dazai to the staff, there is a phrase that I always use, âan unworldly being with a mental age of two thousand years.â Dazai has far surpassed the mental dimension that human can reach, thus no-one can even tell if the emotions he shows are the real things or not.
There are rare moments when that Dazai shows his very âhumanâ side. That is when he talks to another superhuman who is on the same level with him. The other is when he talks about his old friend who has passed. This is the scene when Kyouka wondered âMaybe Iâm, after all, just a murderer at heart.â and refused to be saved. And Dazaiâs reaction to that. When he said âDonât give me any of that!â here, he really meant it. That was an outburst from Dazai, as a 22-year-old boy, in this scene.â Light novels often describe his smile as fake, mask-like, and I could probably find 20 panels where Harukawa clearly drew him to intentionally seem like a fake smiler. From â15â to âEntrance examâ, Dazai often drops his mask, and then goes back to acting silly just to make the other person relax. He does this with everyone, Mori, Kunikida, Atsushi, etc. Chuuya also mentions that Dazaiâs âhappy-go-luckyâ personality in ADA is something new, and he believes it doesnât fit him.
Kunikida says this in the Entrance Exam: "For someone so full of eccentricities, there is something about his behavior that makes it seem as if he has an unobstructed view of the world. I donât know exactly why, but all his emotions strike me as an act to some degree. Is he just playing dumb? Could there be more to him than heâs letting on, lurking behind his ambiguous mannerisms?"
More than anything, Dazai himself says that Oda was the person closest to seeing his ârealâ personality. That pretty much confirms he keeps his real self hidden away. Iâd say that there are several possibilities to why this is: He hides it because he dislikes being vulnerable, he doesnât know how to act ânormalâ, people are unable to understand him, so masking makes it easier for him to communicate with othersâŠthereâs a lot of theorizing I could do here.
Dazai also tends to have interesting thoughts about personalities as a concept.
Youâll commonly see Dazai say something serious, followed by a severe reaction of the other character, ending with Dazai changing his demeanor and saying âjust kiddingâ to lighten the air.
Manipulation: Dazai is extremely Machiavellian â he is prone to manipulating everyone around him, regardless of how much they care about him or not. He manipulated Chuuya into joining the mafia, he does the same with Akutagawa even today: Here we have him preying on Aku's insecurities to sabotage his self-confidence
He seems to be able to cut off his emotions from any situation, seeing people in a raw, factual sense.
There are several moments throughout the novels where Dazai talks about people as if theyâre purely resources or pawns. An example of this in Dead Apple (where Chuuya gets angry because he doesn't respect people or show enough sympathy)
The way he speaks of Atsushi, when asked what he thinks of him in a guidebook, is something like âdeveloping as expectedâ. Especially in the original, it sounds extremely factual, mechanical, and cold. To me, that doesnât mean he doesnât care about Atsushi, heâs just the type to compartmentalize his emotions in opposition to his thinking. This is very common for a few personality disorders and mental health conditions: the capacity to totally cut off your emotions from the equation. Â Obviously, many people are capable of doing this to one extent or another, but the amount to which he does it is what makes it significant.
Lack of traditional empathy: Personally, I think everything comes down to this. Dazai's experiences with empathy are one of the main themes of his character arc. I believe one of the things that makes him feel othered is his lack of emotional empathy.
People with ASPD tend to have issues experiencing what a lot of people consider âtypicalâ empathy â however, ASPD is also on a large spectrum, so experiences certainly vary. Keep in mind that "lack of empathy" is common for all sorts of disorders, but since ASPD seems to be one of the most popular choices for Dazai, I decided to start there.
Before we continue, there are 2 types of empathy: Cognitive empathy is the ability to recognize and understand someoneâs feelings and experiences and imagine yourself in those scenarios. Emotional empathy is experiencing shared emotions with someone or feeling emotions as though the experience is your own.
People with ASPD can commonly do the first type easily, and struggle with the second one. It does not mean they cannot experience emotional empathy, itâs just rarer for them to feel it. In my opinion, Dazai heavily relies on Cognitive empathy compared to Emotional empathy.
You can see often that he seems to not entirely understand âwhyâ something is wrong on a personal level, but he can logically see it. This is a running theme, and you can commonly see that Dazai doesnât fully understand ânormalâ.
â15â Asagiri seems to be writing Dazai as someone who has gone âbeyond the human dimensionâ in his skills and intelligence, so other people canât fully understand him, but I think this goes both ways. Dazai has lost touch with whatâs the standard human experience.
One of the times Chuuya specifically calls out Dazai for not "acting human-like" is when he's not expressing empathy and respect. It is clear that Dazai's lack of empathy is one of the aspects which make others see him as "inhuman".
There is another situation with Kunikida during the Azure Messenger arc where Dazai seems to apologize for not getting something âis normalâ, it slips by you very easily. It is framed as a joke, and it can be read as him making fun of Kuni, but Kunikida asks himself why Dazai apologized. It does read a bit unusually.
To me it seems like Dazai doesnât fully emotionally understand other people, so when his mask slips you can see that he struggles a ton with getting whatâs exactly âtypicalâ.
Because Dazai is extremely intelligent, he masks in order to fit into society, and he does it successfully since he can intellectually understand most social and emotional functions and processes. However, he slips up like everyone does. This is why he got along with Oda well â since Oda just let him act like himself without having ulterior motives. Dazai didnât have to âmaskâ. He didn't see Dazai as "just anyone", but he also realized Dazai was human. Basically, to Oda Dazai was a kid that had empathy issues, but he was struggling much like everyone else.
Personally, I feel like Dazai doesnât feel entirely âhumanâ because he doesnât feel âemotional empathyâ on the same level as other people, and this is one of the key issues of the character (as it's clearly stated in the Dead Apple manga, where Dazai does seem a bit upset by Chuuya's reaction)
. The reason he felt âseenâ by Oda is because Oda fully recognized this and still believed Dazai could do âgoodâ. In our society, it is common for people to think that "empathy" and "sympathy" are conditions for being a good person, but it isn't so simple. The possible complexity of Dazai's moral state is why I find the character so interesting - a person without traditional empathy choosing to be good is really fascinating. (more on this later).
Boredom and general emptiness: âBoredomâ is an extremely common complaint for people with ASPD â in fact, intense, non-standard boredom, along with other symptoms such as atypical experience with empathy, is one of the easiest ways to recognize ASPD. A ânumbedâ emotional state is common for people with ASPD, and due to their different emotional range and inability to connect with others in a more typical fashion, they are prone to âboredomâ and seeking out extreme experiences.
Alcoholism/Substance abuse is common for people with ASPD, and itâs pretty much canon Dazai drinks a lot (alcohol is even in his likes). Aside from that, Dazai often cites boredom as one of the main reasons he wants to die, and I remember so many instances where he complains about it in bizarre circumstances. This is common for people with ASPD: depression/suicidality is comorbid, and I have heard people with ASPD mention they wanted their life to end once they no longer have enough stimulation. Dazai is often stated to be âboredâ, or look bored even when extremely horrifying things are happening (people dying around him/telling their life stories..). An example with Mori where he talks about wishing to die (from 15):
Another really funny thing, a lot of people with ASPD I have seen tend to dislike âdogsâ. Obviously, this hatred comes from the real life Dazai being scared of them and thinking they can attack at any moment, but itâs a funny coincidence. They tend to dislike dogs for an entirely different reason than Dazai does, to be fair.
How Dazai seems to see himself and morals in general
Generally, to me it seems like Dazai is not entirely happy with his nature. He admires Oda and doesnât understand why he wouldnât use his talents to rise up in ranks within the Mafia, simply because that is logical to Dazai â perhaps it is that difference between them that he enjoys so much. He is frequently attracted to displays of empathy:
Examples: 1. Ango documenting the deaths of people within the mafia even if itâs âjust a waste of moneyâ 2. Almost everything Atsushi and Oda do
He often describes altruism as âinterestingâ. I am also under the impression that Dazai has a tendency to project his nature onto others, which we can gather from his âEvil expects evil from othersâ quote to Mori. Furthermore, he sadly remarks in Dark Era that he is âa man despised by righteousnessâ. so I feel like there is something up here, some sort of guilt, distaste or shame.
This tells me:
a)Dazai sees himself as âevilâ
b)He is constantly assuming the worst in others or is prepared for the worst
Another thing this tells me is that Dazai is someone who is likely extremely wary of peopleâs intentions. This is a ubiquitous theme all across BSD, especially when we see him as a kid. Osamu tends to be skeptical of everyone and everything, as if heâs waiting for people to betray or fuck him over at any corner. In TDIPUD, he keeps getting upset that he can't figure out Oda, since it makes no sense for him to be so charitable for absolutely no reason. Oda said âgood and evil are the same to youâ â personally I interpret this as Dazai being largely amoral rather than immoral. Â Whether Dazai can be described as âgoodâ, âevilâ or âneutralâ largely depends on your view of ethics. Just because someone lacks traditional empathy, it doesn't mean they are necessarily sadistic or bad at all. Immoral and Amoral are two words that sound similar but have different meanings. Immoral is an adjective that describes âsomething against pre-established morals, ethics, or standard societal practices.â Amoral, on the other hand, is an adjective that describes âsomething or someone completely lacking morals.â In common society, if youâre not âgoodâ, you are often automatically âevilâ. Basically, a person who has "no morals" is just as bad as a person who has cruel beliefs, but those two fundamentally differ. However, in a technical, utilitarian fashion â this is often seen to be true. More or less, âgoodâ is the neutral state, and the more you step away from it, the more âevilâ you are perceived to be. The more moral conventions you break, the more "evil" you are, regardless of your intentions. The results of the actions matter more than the source and motivations. In the end, a person is dead, regardless of why you killed them or how you felt about it. The reasons why people do conventionally moral things can be all over the place too - people aren't always kind because they have sympathy. When I hear âevil and good are the same to youâ, it sounds like Dazai has no need for either, meaning, yes, he has no inherent need to do good, but no need for bad, he is simply not opposed to either of them. Regardless of what he's doing, he feels the same way. They're both tools to satisfy particular needs. Many people read this and say "aha, so if he sees no difference between the two, that means he is evil", but I think the truth is in the middle. I always say that to estimate Dazai's moral framework, you need to judge him outside of normal conventions. Basically, his starting point in making decisions is different. He begins his process likely by thinking "what will this bring me?" Most of his âevilâ is not out of pure sadism, itâs just that he feels no need to stop himself due to moral conventions, he mostly cares about practical results. This is opposed to Kunikida who cares about ideals and morals in a vacuum and pursues them in their most idealized version (and it's well known Asagiri writes duos as opposites). Entrance exam as a novel was about how idealism can lead people to ruin when it's unrealistic.
Heâs naturally immune to socialized pressure that forms the moral frameworks of most people on an emotional level. All of this is very common for ASPD, and a few other conditions. The more I see Dazai talk about how he sees the concept of personality, murder, morality â the more I am convinced his ethical framework is focused on results rather than the inherent morality of said actions. Example: He's going to lie to you to make you happy, even though "lying is bad". There is no inherent value in staying honest if it makes an individual miserable in the long run, even though society sees frankness as a virtue. That way, most actions are âopenâ for Dazai to undertake, he has no qualms most people have against them, since he doesnât have socialized morals. A lot of the time, we only see certain things as "unconditionally bad" because we've been socialized to see them that way, even if it's not necessarily logical. He simply lacks socialized morals, leading to a tendency to be amoral. Everything is a means to an end, every action is alright if it's a tool that has more pros than cons. Oda's death was a useful character arc, since it led Dazai to taking Oda's moral framework as his own. He doesn't believe he is better than others, nor does he enjoy hurting random people, he doesn't kill or rob randos to get something and believes he is justified in it. Things of that type would make him âimmoralâ. Most of Dazaiâs evil actions seem utilitarian, rather than committed for the pure act of pleasure or cruelty. When I say âamoralâ, I mean this from Dazaiâs point of view. Since he has no âmoral boundariesâ, all actions are open for him to undertake. He can go as far as he wants to any extreme largely depending on his subjective worldview and feelings (as seen in Beast, where he breaks all sorts of ethical codes of being "a good man" so Oda could get a decent life). However, since he is aware that there is a fight between good and bad in every person, and that evil tends to win out compared to the good, under enough pressure, he admires people who selflessly continue to be kind. That is why Oda, a highly moral person even beyond what is logical (his insistence to not kill even if it harms him) is the opposite that pushed him to change. Ulterior motives tend to be something Dazai is worried about in people, perhaps because he is possibly projecting all he is, or can be, on others. He describes Oda specifically as:
"a man who has no ulterior motive". Oda is obviously being a good person partially out of self-interest ("people live to save themselves"), but this self-interest is not destructive. I think for Dazai, it was difficult to find people who didn't have an ulterior motive that was ultimately hurtful, and he projected that onto everyone. Oda acting in his self-interest was ultimately beneficial to everyone. All in all, while Dazai does admire Oda's morals - I think a lot of this appreciation comes from an intimate and subjective place, where he feels comforted someone like Oda even existed. Continuing Oda's work is likely an extension of this as well. Keep in mind, any person has the right to see Dazai's actions as bad, as they often are. I am more speaking of Dazai's internal mental framework. Conclusion: Dazai has no inherent need to do good or bad, for the most part. He just goes as far as he needs to to satisfy his emotional needs.
Oda saved Dazaiâs life in the day I picked up Dazai, and listened to him, but expected nothing in return. I feel that Oda saw this struggle within Dazai, and the way âgood and evil donât mean much to himâ due to his disorder, but recognized that Dazai perhaps didnât want to be this way.
Since Oda saw Dazaiâs âirregularâ nature, and still believed he could be a good person, Dazai was touched and decided to change his life. I believe Dazai had some distaste for himself, regardless of his lack of empathy, he could recognize what he was doing was not entirely right. As Asagiri mentioned, Oda told him exactly what he needed to hear, and the fact that these words were so life-changing to Dazai tells us a lot about what he had on his mind. Â In my opinion, to see who Dazai is, you need to follow exactly which words got to him.
In my opinion, it likely meant a lot that a person he actually admired wanted to be in his life, especially a person he considered so kind like Oda. He often says that Oda is âthe most interesting person he knowsâ. Imo, this is because âempathyâ is one of the things Dazai doesnât fully understand. He had to learn it. Since he understands human nature so well, cognitive empathy comes easy to him, but he still fucks up sometimes.
Here, I also feel like he is talking about himself â he sees himself in Kyouka. It doesnât come naturally to Dazai to be âgoodâ, but he is trying his best, that is his ideal now. (Asagiri said this was one of Dazai's rare human moments). For that reason, I think Dazai admires empathetic people and tends to dislike those who are naturally violent, or even choose to be violent out of sadism.
On the BSD exhibit, Asagiri said Atsushi was "an empathy user", and how that is the key to his character. During one interview, the author mentioned that Dazai keeps testing Kunikida's ideals, but Osamu secretly hopes that Doppo will prove to be right, and Dazai wrong. This to me paints a picture of someone who hopes that "good" is worth it, at least from an intellectual point of view. When talking with Fyodor, he seems to admire people who live emotionally, thinking god doesn't prefer perfection, logic and harmony.
"The ones who actually make the world run Are those who scream in the storm of uncertainty and run with flowing blood"
Dazai seems to reject the idea that him and Fyodor and better because they are more calculating and cold - like I mentioned earlier in this god-forsaken post, this to me says Dazai believes empathetic and emotional people are better than him.
"I've come to see it many times, his gimmicks are the accidental and illogical that's a weakness two of us have in common" He suffers because he is not like them, and that contributes to him feeling "othered".
Negative emotions and Akutagawa
My guess is that one of the reasons Dazai has so many issues with Akutagawa is because he is projecting his own issues with his lack of empathy onto him. This makes him relate to Akutagawa, but also dislike him beyond how he usually treats people. Akutagawa questions why Dazai's acts of violence are justified, while Osamu is judging Akutagawa: to me it sounds that Dazai sees his actions as at least partly justified because they are "logical" and utilitarian. He puts a difference between him and Aku, as if Dazai's natural instinct is not to mindlessly hurt others. However, it's interesting he needs to draw this line.
I believe Dazai sees a lot of the hurt he enacts on others as either "justified" or subconsciously defensive. "If I don't hurt others, they will hurt me", and he uses this against all kinds of people to keep them in control. In the Dark Era novel, Dazai speaks of Akutagawa like this:
âWhen I first saw him over in the slums, I was horrified. His talents are extraordinary, and his skill is extremely destructive. Plus, heâs stubborn. If Iâd left him to his own devices, he wouldâve ended up a slave to his own powers until he destroyed himself.â Interestingly, Dazai was "horrified" at what Akutagawa was capable of, where most things don't seem to exactly phase him. I think something about Aku's capacity for violence even scares him, and he "lashes" out in response to control him.
Later on Oda calls out Dazai's thinking indirectly in Beast, saying that hurting Aku is still bad no matter why he did it. (more on this in the next section) However, itâs very clear he cares for Akutagawa in âChopsticks and a Spoonâ, so I do feel like heâs likely aware of it. In fact, that story contains one of the gentlest expressions Dazai has pointed at anyone, so I think he partially sees Akutagawa as "innocent" in nature, and more like a wounded animal. I'll likely write a post about it. Since Dazai has expressed some lament or even shame regarding him being a person "hated by righteousness", I do think he is a bit ashamed of who he is. This part is a theory: When talking about "No Longer Human", Asagiri mentioned that he felt the book was about "embarrassment". Since Dazai is canonically famously based on Yozo to some extent, I feel that we can guess that Osamu likely does feel some shame - the question is about what. The rare times we see BSD Dazai express something similar to shame is when talking about his moral nature (when he beat up Akutagawa in Dark Era), but it's a "blink and you'll miss it" type of thing. Yozo and RL Dazai's relationship with his father was one of the cornerstones of his work (NLH even ends with him mentioning how he would have been alright if he had a better relationship with his father). Within the book, Yozo feels all sorts of things which make him feel "inhuman", but he is terrified about being open about it due to his strict father who sees him as somewhat strange. Since the theme of "fatherhood" was lightly touched upon when Atsushi's orphanage director died, I do think this is potentially a sore spot for BSD Dazai too. My guess is that Dazai likely had a poor relationship with his father figure, who saw him as "strange" or "inhuman" due to the way he acted: leading BSD Dazai to feel shame over his nature. Perhaps one of the things that made his father see Dazai as inhuman was his lack of typical ethics and empathy. Osamu internalized this - and ended up becoming a criminal at a very young age, perhaps in an attempt to confirm what hurt him, seeing himself as someone who could mostly do bad (which could be one of the reasons he wanted to die so young). Perhaps Oda making a way for him to "act good" was life-changing because of that too - it targeted a specific wound. All of this is speculation, but Dazai did mention that "self-pity leads you to living a life that is an endless nightmare". My guess is he was talking about himself there: and his own experiences with shame. To extend this: I think one of the reasons Dazai is so harsh on Akutagawa is because he is possibly projecting his relationship with his father onto Aku. Akutagawa is violent and troubled, and Dazai was shamed for the same thing. (but it would take a lot of time to work through this theory, so moving on..)
Dazai exhibiting empathy However, Dazai does show empathy for Oda, and a lot of it. Iâd go as far as to say that he over-empathizes with Oda, while he underempathizes with everyone else. His relationships with the people closest to him tend to be why some people think he may have BPD. Especially due to devaluation and the "favorite person" concept. For someone with this type of BPD relationship, a âfavorite personâ is someone they rely on for comfort, happiness, and validation. A FP is a person who someone with BPD relies heavily on for emotional support, seeks attention and validation from, and looks up to or idealizes. For Dazai, this is Oda. On the other hand, In the context of BPD, âdevaluationâ refers to a psychological defense mechanism or coping strategy that individuals with BPD may employ in their interpersonal relationships. Devaluation involves a shift in the personâs perception of others, where they view someone they previously idealized or held in high regard as unworthy, flawed, or worthless. They become unworthy of their affection and praise. The person with BPD may engage in behaviors such as intense criticism, verbal attacks, withdrawal, or even cutting off contact with the person they have devalued. These actions are often driven by the individualâs fear of rejection, abandonment, or a desire to protect themselves from potential hurt or disappointment. For Dazai, the clearest example of this is Ango. However, a person can exhibit the "favorite person" and project the phenomenon of devaluation without having BPD. In my opinion, Dazai does show heightened polarity in his feelings toward others, but I am not sure if BPD would be my choice for him. It's very difficult to say, as many conditions mask as BPD, and Dazai's expression of empathy is unique.
Dazai idealizes Oda, and deeply sees his pain as his own, while he always frames Akutagawa in a negative light, even though he is likely one of the people Dazai cares about the most (next to Oda, Chuuya, Ango, Atsushi, especially according to Beast). Another example of his heightened negative emotions are Ango, and Chuuya to a much lesser extent. My guess is that Dazai doesnât deal with caring about people well, especially when they are any sort of âthreatâ: which is why he tries to âbullyâ them down. The reason he goes easier on Chuuya than Akutagawa is because he feels Chuuya is in his nature more sympathetic.
In my opinion, the moment Dazai warmed up to Chuuya was when he realized that The Sheep were pushing Chuuya around: he was no âKing of the sheepâ, he was acting out of empathy and care. Since Chuuya is so powerful, it was likely admirable to Dazai that he didnât abuse his abilities for self-gain. This is when he decided to isolate Chuuya from the Sheep: and I think the reason above is specifically why
I'd say Dazai is likely "spikey" to anyone he cares about but has less confidence they won't hurt him. There are two camps of people: 1. Atsushi, Oda, Kunikida, Sigma (generally upright, meek, moral at the end of the day) 2. Chuuya, Akutagawa, and lastly Ango (people who are aggressive, challenging, and need to be put down in Dazai's eyes).
He cares about both camps (Sigma is debatable, I spoke of the type of personality Dazai seems to deal with easily in his case), but he likely feels "less safe" with the second type. Mori could potentially go into the second camp - there is some respect and resentment there at the same time. He even talks about this with Kunikida in Entrance exam.
"âI guess. But you, Kunikida, Iâve got a good idea of who you are now, so nothing you do will ever surprise me. I mean, compared with me, youâre just a simple man with a simple mind, after all.â
See? You wear your heart on your sleeve. You donât hide how youâre really feeling. Itâs nice. You know what else is nice? Just knowing that youâre going to be worrying later to yourself, âAm I really that simple?ââ
âWhy, youââ
But I refrain from arguing. Whatever my response, heâs just going to end up telling me, âI knew youâd say that.â
I suppose that being around Kunikida comforts him since he is predictable, yet kind. On the other hand, someone like Chuuya excites him, because he is wild and challenging enough, but is still a good person when it comes down to it. Basically, Dazai is hypervigilant of pain.
Akutagawa is âoff the chainâ in comparison to all of them. I am under the impression that Dazai can care about people without treating them well at all, and 2 of the people who are at the top of his list (Chuuya and Aku) are people he âseemsâ to dislike (In Chuuyaâs case rather openly in his profile).
It appears that the more âintenseâ and âunpolishedâ parts of Dazaiâs personality are strictly reserved for people he cares about, but he is extremely selective about who he shows emotional empathy to as itâs such a rare experience for him. He may capable of "cutting off" empathy to protect himself emotionally. It is quite clear some aspects of empathy miss him broadly in Beast, when he appears shocked that Oda would react so strongly to endangering Akutagawa since âitâs all supposed to end well if he survivesâ. That sentence itself is totally tone-deaf, yet Dazai is acting as if Oda is supposed to take that normally. Itâs quite clear that Dazai doesnât treat Atsushi all that well in Beast either, as he exploits his fears for Atsushi to be totally obedient to him.
I really like this moment, because it demonstrates that even if Dazai does have some point regarding Akutagawa and the way he goes about things, the way he has treated him is still too much â and Dazai canât exactly convince Oda, a decent person, why this is ever justifiable under any circumstances. There is an aspect of regular empathy that misses Dazai â it doesnât cross his mind why his actions are inherently bad. Perhaps it is possible that Dazai was treated with little to no empathy growing up, so he accepted that as a model for acceptable behavior. A lot of the time, cruel actions don't seem to even register to him as bad, in an almost innocent way. It's like it doesn't cross his mind that stuff is out of the ordinary. When talking to Oda about this, he was described as "childlike".
However, Dazai shows a lot of extreme emotional empathy for Oda, which tends to be rare for people with ASPD (obviously, all traits of it are on a spectrum).
Dazai clearly feels as if he himself is being beaten when Oda suffers. Furthermore, âBeastâ shows that he is willing to endanger multiple people he cares about so Oda could live and write his book. In his words âthe me from other worlds doesnât care about the worldâ â showing that even though he may âcareâ about people, itâs really hard for him to fully emotionally connect with others.
This leads him to severe feelings of loneliness and isolation, but itâs quite clear Oda is the exception to this.
Dazai has multiple anxiety attacks when meeting with Oda in Beast and TIPUD:
âI see.â Oda says after he gives it a moment of thought. âIâll do so then. That is very kind of you. You are a good guy.â
Dazaiâs expression becomes distorted.
He opens his mouth, and closes it again, as if he can no longer breathe.
If he tells him everything now, maybe things will go back to how they were. The two of them will go to the bar together and have a toast. Just like that night.
âOdasaâŠâ
Just as Dazai is about to say that name, a train passes by. The express train passing through that station cuts through the silence of the night, right next to where Dazai and Oda is."
and obviously the whole showdown at the bar. Earlier, Oda mentions that Dazai looks like he is about to cry:
 An interesting part here is that Dazai gets shocked that Oda would even consider that Dazai could hurt him:
It almost sounds absurd that Dazai, who is known for scheming even against people he likes, would be that surprised someone would expect this from him. This, to me, shows that Dazai does have that underdeveloped, childish emotional side to himself, where he doesnât understand everything he does. Itâs quite logical why Oda, or anyone else, would be consistently doubtful of Dazai, yet he is so used to not caring about anyone, that when he does feel things he is remarkably unpolished and just as illogical as anyone else. Iâd say his heart is like a knife that went blunt from lack of use. Since he has no experience dealing with people he feels strongly about, it always comes across very messy â and Asagiri himself often describes him as childish at his most vulnerable.
Furthermore, the lyrics of the song for Beast have these words to say: âLoving you to death wonât kill me Because I donât love this world enoughâ And in the Beast novel, he mentions all he has to give to the world is love. I think we can certainly see that Dazai is not emotionless.
To me it seems like Dazai is capable of selective emotional empathy. I feel like one of the reasons Oda was âthe oneâ Dazai attached himself to the most, is because Oda was a struggling man who was also depressed (rather clear the more you read), but he was empathetic and accepted Dazai for who he was.
Him and Dazai had difficulties in common (the guy was a killer as a kid too), yet Oda did his best to be a good person â that is one of the reasons, as Asagiri mentions, why he had an âoutburstâ when Kyouka implied former killers canât be good people. Oda was a good person in his eyes, and his role model of âempathyâ: someone he wished to emulate. I am pretty sure that Oda became the blueprint for the moral compass he strives towards.
Most importantly, Oda didnât really judge Dazai when he showed his lack of empathy, while he remained firm in what he believed in.
âOdasaku is the type of person who will never lecture anyone. Because he does not consider himself a superior person who can teach and guide others. However, it doesnât mean that he has nothing he wants to say. The sentiments that he couldnât convey in these two scenes were finally delivered to Dazai in the last scene through the words âBecome a good person.â Very meaningful scenes when read as a set.â
is how Asagiri described Oda during the exhibit. As Asagiri says, one of the reasons he didnât tell Dazai anything when he provoked the sniper was his modesty. Since Oda didnât look down on him, yet showed concern and fully understood Dazai wasnât just a struggling depressed kid, but someone with serious issues who also happened to be a child â Dazai grew to deeply care for him. Oda didn't shame him, likely avoiding Dazai's hypervigilant sensor for pain.
Selective empathy is common for many disorders â and Dazai, after not feeling âseenâ his whole life, ended up making a true connection with Oda. I guess, in that sense â Oda was the one who really reached Dazaiâs heart, and since he was the only one who came that close, all of Dazaiâs emotional empathy is reserved for him.
In my opinion, the reason Dazai was so difficult to âget toâ was that even people who had good intentions toward him never truly saw him.
To see Dazai as a depressed woobie who just needs to be saved is to idealize him â which wouldnât exactly help him. Theyâre talking about a version of him that doesnât exist. If the only way he could be seen as worthwhile was someone seeing him as more âtraditionally goodâ than he truly is, itâs not going to work. He needs to be seen for exactly who he is, and still given a chance to be better.
Likewise, it had to be someone who wasnât helping him in order to get something from him. I would say that one of the main reasons why Dazai got so attached to Oda was because his friend had no reason to save him, he gave him space, and didnât even force himself into Dazaiâs life.
It was purely altruistic, and for Dazai, who expects the worst from others and seems to fear peopleâs intentions, this was perfect. One of the main aspects of Dazai's character is his anxious-avoidant attachment style, where he is likely so afraid of potential pain, he pushes others away, or punishes anyone he cares about who might hurt him preemptively. A lot of this is not impulsive, but calculated, which is why he feels a natural resistance to Akutagawa (but relates to him and cares all the more because of it). He understands the self-destructive nature of Akutagawa.
"If Iâd left him to his own devices, he wouldâve ended up a slave to his own powers until he destroyed himself.â" I believe Dazai likely allows himself to fully empathize with Oda because he feels only Oda is "safe" in this world. The fact that Oda is dead and gone perhaps makes caring for him even safer, as his image of Oda will never change.
Conclusion: I'd say Dazai is someone who is probably extremely traumatized, with a specific emotional profile that doesn't allow him to experience empathy like normal people do - and this is one of the defining traits of the character for me. He is able to isolate himself from normal social pressures and boundaries - and because of this and his extreme intellect, he feels like an alien in this world. A lot of his struggle likely deals with the fact that he dislikes the hurtful person he is, but has difficulty seeing why he should be better - all while he has a distaste for sadism, cruelty and senseless violence in others. In my opinion, a lot of his own cruelty is "reactive": he acts "evil" because he expects the same from others ("evil expects evil from others), and decides he wants to beat them to the punch. He is comforted when he is in the presence of altruistic and empathetic people, because he doesn't have to be what he dislikes (as "enemy" evil will always make him react since he is threatened). In the end, he rationally sees that cruelty is negative, but he still feels it is an effective tool. If Dazai weren't this way, he wouldn't consistently choose empathetic people for his company throughout the story, while acting callous himself most of the time.
A lot of things Dazai does to me feel like he is avoiding hurt, or attempting to "control the pain" he gets in his life. Notably, Dazai mostly lets himself get "bullied" by people he sees as innocent and simple like Kunikida, since "Kunikida will never surprise him" - he knows that Doppo won't cross the line. Ironically, he famously says he "dislikes physical pain", but often gets himself into physically dangerous scenarios.
It's like he doesn't mind pain if he's the one in control (when Fyodor let the sniper shoot him, when that dude from Mimic shot him point blank). Avoidance of pain and control are other keys to Dazai's character. In that sense, I think Dazai was possibly traumatized and learned to almost completely disassociate from empathy early in his life. There are so many theories I could think of here that we'd get nowhere.
It is clear that Dazai is capable of extreme emotional empathy due to his relationship with Oda, and it's possible he doesn't allow himself to feel it in most scenarios due to his avoidant nature regarding pain. However, whatever the reason behind it, it is clear he doesn't feel a ton of emotional empathy in his day-to-day life, and this disassociation from empathy has crafted him into a person who doesn't fully understand "normal humans".
That is why he sees them as fascinating after Oda dies - he reaches Dazai's heart and opens him up to the idea that not all people are unempathetic and cruel - meaning Dazai doesn't always have to be on guard. Does Dazai have ASPD, or is his lack of empathy a result of other things: PTSD, CPTSD, is he perhaps autistic? I can't say for sure, as it could be so many things. Personally, anyone could make an argument for any of these in my eyes. Above, I mostly analyzed his displays of empathy and tried to study which emotional patterns he appears to follow. I think Dazai's character arc has a lot of worth specifically because we see someone for whom emotional empathy may not be natural trying to be good. It's a unique ethical dilemma, and that's one of the reasons I feel in love with the series. Since it isn't natural for him, his efforts mean a lot, and the struggle feels real and genuine.
Thank you all for reading if you made it this far <3 I've taken a lot of posts and translations I've gathered over the years, and I am sure I won't be able to thank everyone, but, I'd like to show appreciation for popopretty, aja154ever and many others for sharing info from exhibitions, databooks and so. Have a nice day !
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I was wondering this for a while, who would most likely desire a darling like Dazai but female out of the Moriarty brothers, also if you consider the light novels the mental abilities of Bsd verse far surpass the MP verse, so the character with Dazai's level of intellence and his persona.
Okay so I deep dived into reading about Dazai cause I am already a huge BSD fan (Paul Verlaine is the best character and I will fight someone on this) and while Dazai is undoubtedly a genius, he is not quite as smart as say William or Mycroft, he is probably in between Sherlock and William. If you set it in perspective he seems smarter because of the times the mangas/animes take place, Moriarty the Patriot taking place in the Victorian Era while Bungou Stray Dogs is set in modern day (2010s-2020s), so it makes sense how Dazai would seem smarter because he has access to quite a few more modern tools while William does not. There is also the fact that Dazai is written to be this smart mentor character rather than the main character so there is a mysterious feeling to him that adds to the genius appearance.
Anyway continuing on lol
Also for reference Iâm going to be using more ADA Dazai for reference, like after all the stuff in the PM happened
The answer is William, because it is pretty obvious that William has a thing for energetic genius detectives when you look at his interactions with Sherlock. He probably meets his darling when she gets hired via her detective agency to investigate a disappearance of one of his students or something similar, similar to what happened to Lucian, something that would also catch Williamâs attention. They would not talk, he would just see her out of the corner of his eye, walking about campus. Then when he looks into her and the disappearance he finds out that she is a detective from a well known agency who was hired to look into the disappearance by the family of the student. He did not even speak to her until the student was found and the case was closed, she found the student, but he was the one who put an end to the one who kidnapped them in the first place, the other making the otherâs job even more difficult. He would play the role of worrying professor and thank her for saving his student, and drops the questionâŠ
âI wonder how you understand criminal activity so well? You found him so quickly, it is quite remarkable.â
He looked into her, digging as deep as he could to see if she would be an issue, similar to what he did with Sherlock. Sure to find out she was a detective with a high intelligence level with self sacrificing tendencies was easy, but it took a bit of help from Albert and perhaps asking Mycroft for a favor to find out about her pastâŠ
138 counts of conspiracy to murderâŠ
312 counts of extortionâŠ
625 counts of assorted fraud and other crimeâŠ
She was an executive of a criminal organization during her youth and now she deserted them to turn a new leaf. Honestly they are an enigma even to William, so he begins to keep tabs on her, having Moran or Bonde staking out near her agency and having one of them or Fred follow her when she breaks from her normal pattern of working at her agencyâs office or going on certain cases. He will even find one of her colleagues whom she mentors and ask the young boy about her.
âHm? You want to know about her, well she found me when I was kicked out of my orphanage, she is a bit of an odd one but she and the agency took me in when no one else would.â
Eventually he follows her himself one day when she is leaving work, but he certainly did not expect to find her visiting a grave. William pieces it together that she is one of the only people who visits this grave and takes care of it. She just turns over her shoulder to look at him with a smile.
âHello Professor Moriarty, I was wondering when you were going to follow me yourself rather than having your colleagues do it.â
She knew he was following her this whole time and he sits with her at the grave in silence for a bit, waiting for her to say something, to explain what she is doing here and of course she catches on and answers before he even needs to ask.
âThe person buried here was my first friend, when he died he encouraged me to do something meaningful and help other people instead of what I was doing. He wanted me to do something good with my life and so I left. I threw out everything I had before to do something meaningful, I know it will never make up for the wrongs I have done, but it is a start and well⊠I really do hope the wicked can change their ways because otherwise everything I have done has been in vain and I am a disgrace to the promise I have made to him.â
In a way her words may put the world in perspective to him but he cannot stop his plans to rid the world of the class system. Then again he now has a new found respect for her that he would not dare lay a hand on her, but that being said he cannot allow her to get in the way and if push comes to shove he will deal with her as necessary, but again he respects her too much to harm herâŠ
Taking her inâŠ
He looks at the good she has done and unlike the nobles he has killed she has actually tried to make amends for her actions.
She has made herself a new, taking what was once was wicked in her heart and making it pureâŠ
Her heart is a reflection of what he wants to do to this horrible world.
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