#bruce wayne was on some bullshit with stephanie brown

[magnoliasandarson]

look at me

Stephanie Brown is defiant.

Her father is a criminal, he left her and her mother to struggle to get by in the Narrows- all for some delusional ego trip. She refuses to be another sad kid, doomed by the narrative of being born in the wrong part of town and becomes a hero. It doesn't matter if she takes more hits than she doles out, because she gets back up.

Spoiler is a force.

She makes a name for herself, Spoiler. She may not be polished or have all the fancy tech the Dynamic Duo has, but she gets the job done. Stephanie disappears, she's vacant from after-school activities and calls out sick from class more often than not, but a legend grows from her. It's worth the sacrifice. It doesn't matter if some people think the purple hero is a joke; she knows it's eggplant, and people in the Narrows call her a hero.

Stephanie Brown is demanding.

Her boyfriend betrays her quite spectacularly and fucks off. Fine, she's better off anyway, but he abandons the people who actually needed him, needed Robin. Suddenly, there's a vacuum; Stephanie, ever willing to do the job, ditches her beloved eggplant and dons a traffic-light suit. She refuses to hear B's snide comments and critiques, she's capable, and he can suck a lemon. People laugh about the girl-Robin, but they thank her through tears in the ashes of a tragedy. She's a hero.

Robin is a martyr.

They find her corpse. Bludgeoned beyond recognition. Golden hair caked in gore. She's rushed to the hospital- no friends or family at her side as the monitor flatlines.

Stephanie Brown was a child.

It didn't matter, in the end.

[worstwolverinesbf]

the batfam as things i and others have said pt 2

jason talking about his death: everyone has bad days, everyone gets blown up sometimes

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tim: dad, how old are you?

bruce: old enough

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dick: the moon is in a phase

tim: what is it, emo?

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jason talking about tims mental state: its being held together with zip ties and a dream

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steph when a bat appears: i hate when men do that… appear out of thin air

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bruce, deadpan: i was gonna say who has a mobile number (police number) but it’s the police

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tim talking about wifi: it keeps dropping out

jason: of high school?

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bruce: are you on something?

little dick: FREEDOM

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tim after scrolling on tumblr for too long: teenagers relate to murder

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dick after fighting slade too many times: he’s always down to kill kids and i respect that

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pt 1

[snakeredbirdbatkatana]

Soooooooooo I'm gonna rant just a bit.

I love Dick Grayson he is the most badass of birds, the OG he is fucking Nightwing.

Now I love happy family ok I do but we need perspective here people if you are gonna have Dick pick sides or put other people in front I need you to read a comic cause this is what people seem to think about Dick and it's driving me batshit. (Pun Intended)

That Dick would choose Jason, Stephanie, and Cass, over Tim and Damian.

Loud very Loud Deafning Buzzer noise.

That is incorrect.

Do not pass Go! Do not collect two hundred!

If Dick decided it was Fuck the Bats O'Clock he is not taking Stephanie and poor little Jason and leaving Tim or Damain out to dry. He would never choose Cass over Tim. Just like Tim would never take Cass over Dick.

If you want to have Dick leave the bats or some other shit he decides to take a vacation he would not refuse to tell Damian and instead tell Stephanie Brown. What no what where did this come from.

He would not ignore Tim's phone call but always answer Jason's.

He would answer Tim or Damain no matter how annoying those two are.

He would not tell Tim to be nice to Jason cause he's a sad wet cat.

He would not rather hang out with Stephanie Brown over Damian.

He would not get in TimSteph's drama and than berate Tim.

It's like we forgot the plot of the movie.

You want to have Dick be this perfect big brother figure that ok I love that but don't be having him pick other people over his people.

Tim is Dick Grayson's little Brother Tim loves Dick he is Nightwing's number one fan.

Number 2 is Damain Wayne.

Damian is Dick's Brother sometimes even practically his kid.

Just like Bruce is not picking Jason over Dick.

Dick is the winner for everything everyone would not kick him off the island but he would Kick everyone off the island for Tim and Damian.

So in conclusion Dick loves Tim and Damian he also loves Jason but if Jason is gonna attempt to kill Damian or Tim. Well he killed a man who used to call himself the Red Hood once.

He also likes Stephanie Brown but she's not his bestie they aren't leaving Damian and Tim so they can go hang out or whatever.

If you want to write that go for it but don't you dare say that's cannon. Dick Grayson has put up with way to much bullshit caused by those two for this slander.

I love Jason he's one of my favs I also love Stephanie I am absolutely in love with Cass they are all awesome but they aren't the Dick Grayson Fan club founders.

[a-bad-case-of-the-stephs]

Stephanie Brown: The Girl Robin, The Doomed Robin

Stephanie Brown is fired as Robin in Robin #128 (1993). I think there is strong evidence that Batman saw her time as Robin as temporary, and that she was always going to be fired, excuse or not, in Robin #128 or not. Just as soon as she became more trouble than she was worth, or as soon as she was no longer necessary.

I want to look at why (even from a Watsonian perspective) Stephanie Brown as Robin was doomed from the start. Here's Why I think this:

1. The False “Skills and Talent” excuse is reaffirmed and reutilized

After the period of time where Stephanie is sanctioned as Spoiler by Batman, she is ‘fired’ for the first time in Gotham Knights #37.

Batman does not tell Stephanie she is fired, he just never reallows her entry into the Batcave after locking everyone out during Bruce Wayne: Murderer. She has to track him down and ask what’s going on to find out he dropped her like she was nothing.

Gotham Knights #37 (2000)

He tells her it’s because she lacks the “skills or talent”. Is this true? Well… no, not reallyZ Or at least, we have very few good reasons to believe that this is Batman's real reason he fires her, especially in the face of all the other better substantiated explanations the text supports and states. As I’ve analyzed before, there’s strong evidence Batman fires her because he has reunited with his estranged team no longer needs her to make himself stop feeling lonely. Additionally, some part of her firing is because she reminds him too much of his dead son. (I highly recommend checking out the corresponding posts if you are interested in why)

Point is, I’ve already argued how the “skills or the talent” line is pretty much an Extremely bullshit excuse he only tells Stephanie to justify himself to her. But what does that have to do with Steph’s run as Robin?

Well, the idea that Stephanie lacks “the skills or the talent” comes up again. In fact, the exact words “skills and talent” are directly repeated when she is first sanctioned as Robin. And its very telling how they are used.

Let’s look at that moment. 

Alfred is trying to dissuade Batman from making Stephanie Robin, and Batman is defending his choice.

Robin #126 (1993)

Batman claims once more that Stephanie does not have the “skills and talent”. 

By doing this, Batman is reaffirming his largely facetious rationale he tells Stephanie when he he fires her the as Spoiler. By refusing to abandon this as an excuse, and repeating it now, he is reaffirming his own validity in that moment, his correctness is dropping her in the way he did.

But its also weird. If he fired her as Spoiler because he claimed she lacked “the skills or the talent”, why is he using her lack of “skills and talent” as a reason why she should be Robin?

Batman says she can be taught the “skills and talent” he claims she currently lacks. Was that magically not true when he fired her for lacking those same “skills and talent” in Gotham Knights #37? 

This straight contradiction is weird. What it does is key us in to the fact that Batmans spoken explanation about “skills and talent” for whether or not he wants Stephanie on his team is not really based off of any consistent logic about her skill level. 

This is backed up by something else he says to justify this choice in that very same comic.

Robin #126 (1993)

Again, this logic makes no sense with his past actions. If the issue with Stephanie being a vigilante is she is “out on her own” without being “under [Batmans] direct supervision”, then why did he fire Stephanie without a proper reason when she was sanctioned as Spoiler and was  under his supervision, when he was training her? 

Again, Robin #126 creates entirely contradictory logic for Batman, and calls out the specific peculiarities of this through the repetition of the “skills and talent” phrasing.

These moments establish right off the bat that Bruce Wayne’s spoken rationale for hiring Stephanie as Robin is completely illogical. 

Batman reusing the “skills and talent” justification also reaffirms his willingness to justify his first firing of her, and sets up the potential for him to use the exact same dumbass excuse that he used the first time.

This all shows that Batman is willing to use his bullshit excuses to fire or hire her indiscriminate from her actual personhood depending on what is most useful for him. And it shows Batman is retaining and reaffirming his so called “logic” for firing her in Gotham Knights #37, therefore leaving open the opprotunity for him to reuse the exact same excuse if he felt like it.

Chiefly, the reference to Gotham Knights #37 and her orginal firing asks us to compare her time as Robin to the first time she was hired and then fired, and examine why. And if the first time Steph was sanctioned was absoluely arbituary, what does that say about what might be true about her time as Robin?

But wait! There’s more.

2. Alfred’s allusion to Steph as an instrument to get Tim back as Robin

Alfred confronts Batman with this idea that Bruce might be trying to “lure” back Tim as Robin by making Stephanie Brown Robin.

Robin #126 (1993)

Regardless of how this scheme is supposedly meant to work, this idea is presented to the reader from Alfreds point of view. Alfred, who oftentimes serves as a vantage point of morality and reason in contrast to Batmans single-mindedness and irrational obsessions. Additionally, the language Alfred uses certifies how serious of an option this is. Alfred doesn’t just ask Batman to “clarify” or “say” he isn’t hiring Steph as Robin to lure Tim back, Afred asks Batman to “promise” it. The word “promise” implies that this isn’t just a far off vague possibility that Alfred is discussing, but a distinct and worrying probability Alfred is detecting.

And damningly, Bruce does not answer Alfreds plea. All he would have to say is one word, ‘no’, and he would banish this as a possibility from Alfred's mind and largely deny this reading from the narrative. But, as we see, he doesn’t deny what Alfred says. He ignores the direct question, and he turns his face away. Look at how as he speaks only a sliver of his face is visible in the proceeding panel to Alfreds question. 

This places Batmans silence in an even more damning light. He can’t even look Alfred in the eyes, he is already looking away as he speaks, as he ignores Alfreds question entirely.

You can decide whether or not you find this moment entirely convincing, whether or not you believe Alfred is correct in his assessment. But at the very least, this moment asks the reader take seriously the possibility that Alfred is right: that Batman has made Stephanie Robin in order to try to get Tim Drake back as Robin.

But wait! There’s even more.

3. Stephanie Brown and the lack of information given to her as proof of the temporariness nature of her time as Robin

Bruce Wayne’s distrust of Stephanie is a long running theme of their relationship. It’s brought up consistently during the time she is sanctioned as Spoiler. 

Robin #100 (1993)

And it drives a wedge between her and Tim romantically, before she is eventually told Tims real identity.

This isn’t just a vague distrust, the main way it manifests is through the secret, vigilante related information which Stephanie does not have access to.

She is denied knowledge, specifically secret identity related knowledge, consistently. Not having Stephanie cued into all of the information the rest of the team has when she is Spoiler is a tactical decision which isn’t exactly cruel or necessarily especially strange on its own. But this distrust with sensitive information, (most primarily Batman’s true identity as Bruce Wayne) is extremely strange when Stephanie is made Robin.

The “Robin” identity up until that point is invariably tied to Bruce Wayne. 

In the cases of every Robin beforehand, (in most interpretations and tellings) the meeting of Bruce Wayne and the meeting of Batman occur in extremely close proximity to one another, and the full picture of Bruce Wayne’s secret identity does not remain a total secret for very long, and in NONE of these tellings is that information not known when any of the other Robins put on the costume. The Robin and Batman relationship is also just generally tied strongly to Bruce Wayne as an identity. Dick Grayson and Jason Todd are ward and adopted son respectively of Bruce Wayne specifically, and Tim Drake lives with Bruce Wayne in the manor. They all interact with the man and the mask.

Stephanie breaks this pattern. She is the only Robin who doesn’t get to know his real name or see his face. (Her relationship with Batman mirrors the early Batgirl/Batwoman archetype much more- a character who interacts with The Batman, but isn’t alllowed know him as Bruce Wayne)

The text of Robin #126 points out her lack of knowledge specifically, but explains it away as temporary.

Robin #126 (1993)

We are told in this panel that it is a temporary matter, that of course Stephanie will eventually get to know Batmans identity, she just has to prove herself first!

This screams bullshit to me. Stephanie has worked him as Spoiler for a considerable amount of time in the past, and after more time still she’s been made Robin, but this probation until she gets to know the “big secrets” is somehow necessary where it never has been before? I don’t really buy it, but you are certainly allowed to take him at his word.

Anyway you slice it, distance from important information, the “big secrets” is a prevailing aspect of Stephanie’s time as a vigilante.

And it finally comes to a head in War Games (2004). (I won’t break down the entirety of my thoughts on War Games here for the record, but trust me, they are numerous and vitriolic)

This idea of Batman's distrust in giving Stephanie sensitive information is hammered in over and over during War Games. For instance, the first issue of War Games contains several small allusions to this idea.

Batman: The 12 Cent Adventure (2004)

This only becomes more overt as War Games continues, specifically when Stephanie meets and speaks with Catwoman.

Catwoman #34 (2002)

Catwomans internal monolouge points out the specific strangeness of Robin Stephanie not knowing who Matches Malone is, she presses on how this is especially strange for someone using the Robin mantle, alluding to what I touched on earlier, the unqiuess of Robin Stephanie’s relationship with secrets and secret identities compared to every other Robin.

 Catwoman #34 (2002)

We get another example of this where Selina once more points out information that Selina, a longtime friend, enemy, and lover of Batman, assumes Robin would or should naturally know, which we discover Stephanie was not privy to during her time as Robin.

Thats two examples where Stephanie’s lack of knowledge about secret identities (which there is no real reason for her not to know) is specifically pointed out to be strange and uncommon in relation to what the “Robin” mantle denotes, a level of trust which is simply not present.

But what am I getting at here? What does this distrust mean?

Well, if you ask me, it’s evidence that Robin, for Stephanie, was always intended by Bruce Wayne to be temporary. You don’t give sensitive information to temporary members, to the people who aren’t long term, who aren’t meant to stick around, who are going to be dropped, just like Bruce dropped her the first time.

This feels especially true given the fact that this sensitive information she is not told, in the case of catwomans secret ID and who Matches Malone is, isn’t particulary sensitive at all and the sort of information that it’s clearly expected a Robin should know. 

To me, the fact that all of that information is withheld from Steph, and especially the fact that she doesn’t get to know “The Secret” is indicative of the fact that she was always going to be fired as Robin, that she was always meant to be temporary.

Between the “skills and talent” reiteration, Alfred’s explicit reference to the idea that Batman was using Stephanie to lure Tim back, and the information which is withheld from Stephanie in direct contrast to every previous Robin, there is substantial evidence that Bruce Wayne always intended for Stephanie Brown to be a means to an end as Robin.

If we take Alfreds word, this temporariness is because Stephanie served as a cog in Bruce’s larger scheme to lure back Tim into the role of Robin.

Does this mean Batman though of her as temporary the entire time she was Robin? No. Does that mean he was doing this maliciously? Also no. Did he even know he was doing this distancing consciously? Hard to say. 

It also doesn’t mean he didn’t have sweet moments with Stephanie as Robin, it doesn’t mean he didn’t change his mind about using her to lure Tim back (if that was his plan at some point), and it doesn’t mean he never cared about her.

But I think it's entirely fair to say that at least some part of Bruce Wayne was just fine with using Stephanie the same way he did when he sanctioned her as Spoiler and then dropped her. That at least some part of Batman was retaining these excuses, keeping up those walls and secrets because at least some part of him knew she wasn’t supposed to last. That some part of him did this so that he would be able to get rid of her guilt free as soon as it became more beneficial for her to get gone.

[blackbirdi]

Game Night (Not a Good Idea)

Brief Description: Things heard during Wayne family game night.

Point of View: 3rd Person

Word Count: 1334

Character: Batfam x platonic!Reader

Every Sunday Bruce tries to get all his kids (whether adopted or not) back to the manor for supper and a game night. And while some of the time the games are fun and a bonding moment for everyone, most of the time it's a battleground.

Things said playing: Super Smash Bros

A very pissed off Timothy Drake: DAMIAN! I AM ON YOUR TEAM; STOP PUSHING ME OFF!

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A frustrated Stephanie Brown: DODGE IT! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?

Y/n L/n: *Playing the game for the first time in years* I don't know the controls...

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Jason Todd throwing his controller against the wall after his team lost for the seventh time in a row: THIS IS BULLSHIT!

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Things said playing: Twister

A defeated before the game even begins Duke Thomas: No. Straight up, no. We all know Dick's going to win; what's the point in even playing?

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A very flexible and cocky Dick Grayson: What do you mean you can't reach the green circle? It's literally so easy!

Jason: *His eye twitching* Kill yourself.

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A tired of the complaining, Bruce Wayne: Dick, you're not playing this round.

Dick, heartbroken: What? Why?

The rest of the Batkids: *Cheering*

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Things said playing: Jenga

Damian Wayne, who just knocked the tower over: DRAKE BUMPED INTO ME! HE MADE ME KNOCK IT OVER JUST SO I WOULD LOSE!

Tim, who is sitting over ten feet from him: What? No, I didn't.

Damian: YES, YOU DID!

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A very confused and slightly disappointed Barbara Gordon: Why did you choose that one?

Y/n, who chose the most difficult one to remove: *Practically in tears* I DON'T KNOW!

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Anyone after knocking the tower over: I fucking hate this game.

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Things said playing: Among Us

*While they're waiting in the lobby (the game hasn't even begun)*

Tim: It's Damian.

Damian: Fuck you.

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Bruce, after being the first killed for the fifth time in a row: Do you hate me that much?

Steph (a crewmate): *Walking past Bruce's body and not reporting it* Yes.

Babs (a crewmate), who people are now suspecting: You're not supposed to give any hints that you got killed, Bruce.

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*Y/n and Cass being revealed as the imposters*

The Batfamily after being positive that Y/n and Cass were the only ones who weren't the imposters (other than those murdered): WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WERE THE IMPOSTER?

Y/n and Cass: *Cackling*

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Things said playing: Charades

Jason, after they ran out of time and didn't guess it: *Looking at the card* What you acted out was not fucking Ratatouille.

Damian, who was very much not doing anything to hint towards Ratatouille: YES, IT WAS!

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Babs after picking up the most complicated things possible to act out: What the fuck is this?

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Bruce: I burned the zombie card by the way.

Jason, Tim, Steph, Damian, and Y/n: *Groaning in disappointment*

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Things said playing: Just Dance

Cass: *Doing everything perfectly*

Everyone else: How the fuck are you doing that?

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Cass: *Giggling* What are you doing?

Y/n: I don't fucking know.

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Tim: HOW DID DUKE GET SECOND!?

Duke: I am the epitome of a graceful dancer, Tim. *Proceeds to trip over the coffee table and land flat on his face*

***

Things said playing: Any game involving riddles

Any of the Batkids: I CALL DUKE/STEPH!

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Bruce: *Reading a riddle that was writing in Shakespearean (ye old English)*

All of the Batkids: w h a t

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Duke/Steph: I'm telling you, it's *correct answer*

Jason: No, it's not. It's *very much the wrong answer*

Duke/Steph, feeling petty: Fine, we'll go with *Jason's answer*

Bruce: It's *the answer Duke/Steph originally had*

Duke/Steph: *Waiting for Jason to admit they were right*

Jason:

Jason, who refuses to take the blame: Jeez, you're terrible at this game.

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Things said playing: Spoons

(if you don't know what Spoons is, search it up because I don't know how to describe it, but it is the most fun game ever and you're missing out.)

Y/n: *Holding onto the spoon like her life depends on it* YOU CAN'T GRAB IT FROM ME! IT'S ALREADY IN MY HAND!

Steph: *Clawing at Y/n's hand* GIVE IT HERE!

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Dick: *Cradling his hand* I think Jason broke my hand.

Jason, with the most "I don't give a shit" voice ever: Damn. That sucks.

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All the Batkids at one point: *Quite literally throwing themselves across the table to grab the last spoon*

Bruce: *Tired Dad SighTM*

***

Things said playing: Monopoly

Jason, who owns all but one railroad: I swear to God, Tim, if you land on the last railroad and buy it...

Tim, lands on the last rail road: *Buys it*

Jason: *Lunges across the table to strangle him*

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Y/n, after buying Park Place a while ago: *Lands on Boardwalk* You bitches are about to be financially murdered.

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*After red hotels have been added to over half the board, and there are at least two green houses on every spot*

Duke: Can I just stay in jail?

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Things said playing: Uno

Cass: Uno!

Steph: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Tim: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Y/n: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Jason: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Duke: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Dick: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Damian: *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Babs: Sorry, Cass *Places Pick Up 4 card*

Cass:

Cass, trying not to fucking snap: You guys fucking suck.

(I'm sobbing. She's picking up 28 cards. NOOO, CASS)

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*It's down to just Tim and Damian; the others have all gotten rid of their cards*

Tim, after being skipped for the fifth time in a row: *Near tears* HOW MANY FUCKING SKIP CARDS DO YOU HAVE?

Damian: *Placing another one down* Yes.

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*Whenever someone wins*

The rest of the Batkids: *Starts a fist fight*

*Cue Uno getting banned from being played at a Game Night.*

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Things said playing: Mario Kart

Babs, throwing a green shell: *Bounces off the wall and hits her instead of the person ahead of her* I'm going to kill someone.

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Dick: *Picks Rainbow Road*

The rest of the Batkids: Fuck you.

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Cass, before they start playing: Oh, I suck at this game.

Cass: *Wins over half the races*

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Jason: DID YOU JUST FUCKING BLUE SHELL ME!?

Y/n: Yup.

Jason: YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE! I WAS JUST ABOUT TO WIN!

Y/n: That's why I did it.

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Steph: *Getting pissed that she got 2nd*

Bruce: *Trying to console her* It's fine, Steph. It's just a game.

Steph: JUST A GAME!? JUST A GAME, HUH!? THEN YOU FUCKING PLAY IT, BRUCE!

Bruce: *Too scared to play with his kids because of how angry he's been seeing them getting* No.

Steph: That's what I fucking thought.

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Y/n, after being hit by Jason's red shell for the third time in a row: *Throwing the controller at Jason* I'M DONE! I'M FUCKING DONE!

Jason: *Cackles*

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Tim: *Looking at someone else's screen and not realizing it* I am so good at this.

*His character is actually continuously hitting a wall*

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Duke: *Gets a blue shell* It's over for you, Cass!

Damian: *Uses Thunderbolt, thus getting rid of Duke's blue shell before he can use it*

*Duke, trying to stop himself from attacking Damian*

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Damian: *About to get first place* And victory is–

Duke: *Blue shells him* That's what you get, you little bastard.

*Damian proceeds to literally bite Duke*

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*Bruce, trying to ban Mario Kart from Game Night*

All the Batkids: BOO! I'm not coming back if you do.

*Mario Kart has not been banned*

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Bonus! (Involves only Babs, Dick, Jason, Steph, Cass, Tim, and Y/n)

Things said playing: Cards Against Humanity

Y/n, holding the prompt for this round: *Looking at the responses the rest gave her* You all are fucking terrible human beings.

Babs: It's a damn game, Y/n. No one actually meant it.

Dick: Hey! My card was not that bad!

Cass: Come on, it's funny!

Jason: Yes.

Steph: Thank you.

Tim: You're one to talk.

[ao3feed-brucewayne]

Teen Angst Bullshit

by TheTokenAro “My bad,” Robin went on with no remorse, “You’re like forty, you have no room to talk.” “You–I’m seventeen, asshole!” … …What? -- Bruce finds out that Red Hood is yet another teenage vigilante. What was he supposed to do? NOT adopt him? Words: 3676, Chapters: 1/4, Language: English Fandoms: Batman - All Media Types Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen Characters: Bruce Wayne, Jason Todd, Tim Drake (DCU), Dick Grayson, Cassandra Cain, Stephanie Brown, Barbara Gordon, Alfred Pennyworth, Duke Thomas, Minor Original Characters - Character Relationships: Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne, Jason Todd & Everyone, Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne, Tim Drake & Bruce Wayne Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Or well canonish, DC stands for Disregard Canon, Timeline What Timeline, Jason Todd is Red Hood, Tim Drake is Robin (DCU), Good Parent Bruce Wayne, Bruce Wayne's Adoption Instinct, Implied/Referenced Drug Use, Making Up Drugs for Plot, Tags may change/be added, Tim Drake is a Menace (DCU), They're all menaces really, But it's Tim's menace that starts it all, Jason Todd Returns Home, eventually, Identity Shenanigans, Jason Todd is a Batfamily Member, whether he likes it or not, Some angst, idk how much yet this is mostly comedy, Case Fic, it's mostly focused on the characters tho, Jason Todd is an Emo Nerd via https://ift.tt/cHIXzBv

[sokoneedsagun]

Some dc hot takes because I’m feeling brave

(These are all opinions if you disagree it’s fine)

- modern portrayals and especially ones from the 2010’s of Harley Quinn fucking disgust me. Harley didn’t originate in the comics, she originated in a show for children. And for some fucking reason dc turned her into a weird sex symbol. “but oh it’s empowering to her” please shut up.

- Jade and Roy should have more interactions, they’ve been getting some recently especially in the absolute power tie in’s but Jades character has just been so fucked for so long that she deserves more

- dc needs to stop forgetting their characters fucking origins. Because did you guys know Zatanna was Romani and Jewish? because I didn’t till I looked it up, because dc has a horrible habit of saying a character is from a culture but never showing it

- Red hood and the outlaws was a disgusting over-sexualization and completely mischaracterized Starfire. ESPECIALLY HAVING HER FORGET ABOUT DICK SO SHE COULD FUCK HIS BROTHER.

- dc and the fandom have forgotten so much about Stephanie Brown, especially the plot arks about her baby, when she died due to black mask, and nearly her entire Robin run

- de-aging Connor hawke and Rose Wilson for the Damian Wayne Robin series made no sense. Rose is Jason’s age and Connor is closer to Tim or Jason’s

- changing rose’s backstory was complete bullshit, making her have both eyes again but still wear the eyepatch (mostly in fanart) is just weird

- we all forgot about the riddlers brain tumor way too fast

- Selina Kyle has been diminished to nothing more then a love interest for Bruce Wayne, it’s very rare that she gets an interaction where it isn’t with him or talking about him, and dc needs to bring the Gotham city sirens back (not that one Harley Quinn book though, I read that, it was fucking disgusting.)

- speaking of that book! Stop dressing Harley like a literal fucking school girl. If you’re into that and mention it in your comic, you’re a fucking creep. And stop treating Harley like she’s an idiot just because she’s mentally ill.

- female dc characters are constantly used just to push men’s storylines further and it’s been such a long time since a woman got something just about her for once. (I will say, the new poison ivy/swamp thing feral trees comic does such a good job with ivy)

[slothspamsstuff]

Sigh, no shit, they really be calling me disgusting for seeing no problem with shipping people in a found family, who are not even related by blood lol. I'll check myself when the writers make them siblings from the same biological parents or biological parent (half-siblings), which simply means if only they're strictly related at birth. If not, it's not incest, from a logical perspective.

They have barely met or lived together from youth, they literally meet a few years later after meeting Bruce/Batman as teens/young adults so it just doesn't make sense to me if that's how a family dynamic works, it’s weird because humans are creatures of belonging, they need to feel a sense of communication and interaction in long term to actually form a familial bond, and in this case, the batfolks don’t have that kind of interactions. Imagine you're 18 something, then on one beautiful day, some 22 year-old came into your house declaring that now you two will be siblings, you don't know him, he doesn't know you either, are you supposed to act like you've been with him your entire life just because you're now siblings and not some older guy who just came into your life 20 minutes ago, whom you have no idea existed until you see him? To gain a familial bond, it really doesn't work like that, you’re in with people you don’t know until your late teens and suddenly you have to treat them like you’ve been together with them your whole life just because someone decided to adopt you out of thin air? Where is the work? Where is the built up familial bonds? I see none because! They just don’t interact with each other that much in the comics, and I started going into the fandom from the comic books, not from ao3, wfa (i don’t hate the webtoon but it should not be used as the core reference for how the batfam really act towards each other, it’s too disneyfy and idealistic, which might have or not have happened in the actual long lines of the official comics) or other fanon stuff so before I get to see them interacting like a functional family in the fandom, I’ve seen them bashing each other in the head and laughing about Bludhaven being blown up with Dick potentially being a collateral victim, that’s not how you’d react to your brother or any other family member getting caught up in an accident. And just so you know, I'm also not invalidating step-siblings who see each other as families, like-wise to adopted siblings that see their adopted siblings as a real family, or childhood friends who see their friend's family as a family, good for you guys, actually. I'm only speaking strictly in the case of the bat family so it won't bring up any other newly formed issues that I'm a family hater/pro incest advocater because I'm not. For now, check the comics from the start to the latest, so what if they're legally adopted, it's been removed then retconned to that then removed then retconned over and over again in the dc comic verse? Many writers still write them with romantic chemistries and that shouldn't be something to hate on about, people can have their own takes on fictional things. Shocking!? I know. I personally have stated above and before this over and over again that I like their dynamics to be similar to Brothers in Blood in Nightwings #2021 annual (which btw is similar to this phrase "Huynh đệ kết nghĩa" in Vietnamese, which literally means sworn brothers, which again refers to two men who are not related by blood but finding kinship in each other's company that they decide to become oath brothers - and strictly not in an incestous way but in a literal 'damn now you're my brother in arms' kind of way). Back to the main topic, many DC writers have written them together, many fandom writers have, many artists have drawn them together in a shippy kind of way, it's not a sin so it should not be associated with the violence threats that I have seen some of you so proudly posted on your wall. Like really? Proud of wanting to inflict violence on someone who doesn't share the same ideals as you? Dictatorship, I'd say.

Now, hypotheoretically speaking, do you associate yourself with a serial killer just because you watch true crimes? Do you associate yourself with a crime lord for reading under the red hood? If none of that is true to you then the same logic is applied to people who enjoy things that you don't like. They don't associate themselves as humans with the things they enjoy (if it's really incest, which the batfam is literally 90% NOT), such as the case of Cersei and Jaime Lannister in GoT, though it got better later on in the show, we also don't talk about season 8 (not the romantic, incestous part, but you get what I'm trying to say here). Grow up and think about it. But honestly, I'm just writing this so others who might come across can read and be kind to each other, I doubt you'd even read half of this lmao, you can't even read my previous post properly without accussing me of being a pedo, so I don't expect much from your reading comprehension. But you do you.

Personally, for me, I like things that are not romantically involved within the batfamily but do I be a little bitch about it and shit on anyone who has different ideas and shippings from me? No. BUT again, this is not about me, this is about being respectful to other shippings (ship and let ship) and not give a fuck or dictate what others like just to cater to your own self-rightousness. If you hate something so much but you don't own the mentality of not giving a damn and have to rage like a siren with anger issues (I'm speaking as someone with anger issues myself) at strangers on the internet, I suggest you stay off the net and get yourself checked in for therapy really, because all of this raging is screaming mental illness (and I don't mean it in a demeaning way, I mean it in an unchecked diagnosis that one needs working on kind of way aka a concerning way) to me.

Ok, here's another piece of advice before you flip your head from understanding that Tim and Cass are NOT blood siblings and therefore not logically incestous. There's a function called "block", so you could save some time instead of ranting to someone who doesn't agree with you, you could use all that time purging all the so called 'batcest' stuff from your feed lol. Maybe you will understand that we simply dont share the same mindsets or understanding of the dynamics or cultural backgrounds (and my culture gives the hard F to incest, but it's ok as long as you are not related by blood because the core values of families are so important in our culture, we don't go around calling or claiming anything we see on the internet as a real blood bonding family. Sure a family might be used here and there for one big/small close knitted community but it doesn't share the same weight of importance as a real family that includes the work and the familial bondings that everyone in said community has to claim) 🥳 try to shit on my culture without sounding like a xenophobe, I dare you. The best counterpoint you will hypotheoretically make is calling us a bunch of close minded, regressive assholes/monkeys like many have done before and it's a fact I know I'm not wrong because you won't even bother to spend 10 minutes researching on our culture the same way you don't bother researching the interactions from the source materials that are made in the west, where I think you might be from.

I would have agreed with you if you brought up Damian but I guess nah lol, also anon ask harassment is just people who find joy in annoying others cuz if I knew who you are, I’d give you snarkier comments than I do now so you’d drop that habit of yours of picking fights no one literally cares about.

So then your okay with shipping : tim and dick or bruce and jason because theyre not related by blood? Or dick and jason or bruce or jason and bruce? Like wtf man check yourself

Wow dude, you're better than this, why do you have to try to prove your point so badly by accussing me of supporting pedophilia when I have explitcitly stated on my pinned post that the one thing I hate the most is pedophilia? Did you not read my post carefully? I said Tim and Cass were close in age, and the fact that they met when they're teenagers, and even if Bruce had legally adopted Cass (Tim has his own family whatchu on about) doesn't make them blood siblings. And the comics themselves show that, I elaborated on everything you needed to know and after everything, you just need a reason to hate on someone you virtually don't know and to be honest, to accuse someone of being pro-pedo when the one thing they despise the most is pedophilia just to prove a point is kind of low. I stated what needed to be said and will not be replying to further anonymous asks you're giving me, it feels like a waste of time when you still don't understand what I want to say after that wall of text and still try to police what I don't agree with you into something as sick as pedophilia.

[msfcatlover]

The Public Personas I think each Wayne Kid would get in the Reverse Robins verse

Duke: The easy-going, down-to-earth, reasonable one. Or, perhaps more accurately, the straightman to Bruce’s comedian. Duke’s fond exasperation & surprisingly grown-up attitude as a child made for an excellent counter to Brucie’s bombastic antics, and had plenty of people joking that Duke was the actual parent between the two of them. Seeing the two of them at work is seeing a decade-perfected comedy tag-team in action, and it is a beautiful thing. As Duke grew up, his reputation shifted to being the Chillest Dude (gender neutral) in any given room, and he mastered the sort of subtle, charismatic warmth that makes everyone feel like they’re your best friend. Duke’s one of those celebrities you just want to crack a beer open with and chat about your day, because they seem like they’d be fun to hang out with, y’know? (Which also helps separate him from his hero identities. Duke Thomas? Dress up like a cross between a motorcycle racer & medieval knight in order to speed around downtown, jump off bridges & skyscrapers, and kick the Joker in the face on a biweekly basis? Are you fucking high?)

Damian: Starts out as the acerbic, hotheaded brat. Grows up into Gotham’s favorite Bad Boy With A Heart Of Gold, thanks to both his maintained public attitude & work with helping animals around the world, even after he mostly moves to Bludhaven. (Yes, he rides a motorcycle, wears mostly leather, and has just so many piercings. Most of the piercings are fake, so that they can’t be grabbed in fights; the real ones he almost exclusively wears small studs in. They all come out in preparation for patrol.)

Cassandra: The Ice Queen, so cool & confident that some people genuinely think the family is lying about her selective mutism and it’s just a front so she has an excuse to ignore people. (She is deeply offended by this.) Zero tolerance for bullshit, cutting edge fashionista, single handedly got ASL added as a language course to every school in Gotham, and got plenty of rich jerks to learn if only to know what she was gossiping about with her siblings when they kept glancing over and laughing at everyone else. Universally assumed to be the one who'll take over WE when Bruce retires, despite her complete lack of interest.

Steph: The Wild Child, the only one to follow in Brucie’s footsteps. This was not the persona she wanted but in her society debut gala, something came up and Duke needed a distraction so he could go deal with it. Steph set her shoulders, grabbed a bottle off the snack table behind them, and said, “You got it.” First impressions are everything, and she never could shake that one… not helped by the fact that sometimes, an empty-headed party girl was exactly what they needed to gather information, and Steph had both the reputation to play the part & clout to get wherever she wanted once Bruce fostered her. (After her death, people call it a “downward spiral.” Others counter this with a clip from an interview she gave earlier that year, where Stephanie Brown talked about her hard work in school & the community, and her frustration over her reputation. “Of course it bothers me,” she said, “It bothers me that what I’m wearing matters more than the causes I promote. It bothers me that a few sips of wine outweigh organizing an entire event. It bothers me that flirting with people my own age upsets people more than a fucking shooting in downtown Gotham!” She laughed bitterly. “Is it the hair? Should I dye it? Would that make people take me more seriously?” She turned to look directly into the camera, tears shining in her eyes. “I’m—I’m sixteen. What do you want from me?”)

Tim: Tim starts out as the resident Cool Nerd. He’s friendly, he’s chill, he likes skateboarding & computer games—and also, he GMs on the weekends, he likes to solve math puzzles & write his own algorithms, he knows more about the history of sci-fi than any human has right to. Tim’s the kind of nerd who makes his nerdy hobbies seem cool by association. (Still figuring the rest out, honestly. Since he’s Oracle in this verse, part of me feels like he’d stay out of the public eye more? But another part of me says Tim would make his public persona as loud as possible, so that people think of him beyond his injury. “Bruce Wayne’s Paraplegic Son” is not an identity Tim would ever be okay letting people define him by, I think. I know he does a lot of charity work, and is more open to talking about his challenges than Cass is, in a very “if I tell you upfront, you can’t use it against me (also, maybe someone else needs to hear this)” kinda way. I know he’s still involved in the business world to some degree. I’m just having trouble pinning down how Tim would characterize Timothy Drake-Wayne [post-injury] to the public.)

Jason: Jason is kinda the inverse of Damian, being soft-spoken & seemingly shy until you bring up a cause he cares passionately about. He's very protective of his siblings, and is responsible for about 80% of the "Wayne Kids Spotted! You Won't Believe These Adorable Pictures!" tabloid headlines (Cass & Damian dote on Jason, those candids being one of the only times people get pictures of their "soft sides." Jason also volunteers to help Duke & Tim out a lot, and is often seen trailing after them trying to look professional.) Every woman over 30 in Gotham just wants to pinch his pudgy little cheeks, at least until Jason hits his last growth spurt and comes back from a year abroad looking like an absolute hunk. But still just as humble, just as polite, and just as passionate about helping others. Isn't he just a Big Ol' Marshmallow? (Jason maintains this reputation mainly by biting his tongue & constantly reminding himself if he can't think of anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. After every single interview or public event, you can find him down in the cave, ranting to himself about everything that pissed him off and taking it out on the poor training dummies.)

Dick: Started out very surly & private, but all his siblings defended that the poor boy had gone through so much trauma in under a year (losing his parents, being taken from the family he grew up with, and then losing Bruce just a few months later,) that it was only to be expected. They worked hard to keep him protected from the public eye while he was grieving. When little Richie finally made his public debut, Gotham was delighted to discover an energetic Sunshine Child, who wasn't exactly a great listener & was more than a bit of a showoff, but gosh darn if he wasn't the cutest thing anyone had seen in years. (Dick keeps up the shallow-but-cheerful Sunshine act all the way into his adult life, coming the closest out of any of them to having a true Brucie persona as an adult.)

[ao3feed-drstrange]

Stuck: With You You and You

by Azrail_has_a_Vendetta Tim thought the most surprising thing about today was that he actually slept. But when he wakes up in New York with his brothers they realize very quickly that something is off. When they are seemingly attacked by a teenage super hero called “Spiderman” they realize that maybe it’s more wrong than they thought. Words: 1061, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English Fandoms: DCU (Comics), Batman - All Media Types, Marvel, The Avengers (Marvel Movies) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Characters: Tim Drake, Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, Damian Wayne, Peter Parker, Tony Stark, Stephen Strange, Bruce Wayne, Barbara Gordon, Stephanie Brown Relationships: Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Jason Todd & Damian Wayne, Peter Parker & Tim Drake, Peter Parker & Tony Stark, Peter Parker & Stephen Strange Additional Tags: I may have missed some characters but they show up, The Robin’s (minus Steph) get stuck in the Marvel Universe, Tim Drake Needs a Hug, Jason Todd is an asshole but a funny asshole, Dick Grayson is such a big brother, Dick Grayson is over his bothers’ bullshit, Tim Drake & Peter Parker Friendship, Tony Stark Acting as Peter Parker's Parental Figure, Peter uses peer pressure on Tim Drake, but it’s in a good way, Tim and Peter are super Gen Z, So is Jason and Damin, Tim Drake POV, How Do I Tag, Other Additional Tags to Be Added, Not Canon Compliant, no beta we die like jason todd, Asian Tim Drake, Mexican Jason Todd, Damian is a little shit but we love him, Maybe Tim is a little OCD via https://ift.tt/oTXlzSk

[magnoliasandarson]

Stephanie Brown, Stained Glass

It's easy to disregard Stephanie Brown. She was unremarkable, through and through. Another loudmouth who never learned when to shut up. Another Gotham reject harboring a bone to pick with the world. 

Her mom loved her; she had at least that going for her, but it wasn't motherly love as seen on TV. Whenever her mom wasn't popping pills to drown out her emotions, she was weeping about Stephanie's dad. Speaking of the douche, Cluemaster, how original. She couldn't make her dad behave as Stephanie, but if she donned a mask, she'd be able to spoil his fun.

Spoiler took to the streets, and suddenly people saw her. Not the loudmouth whose dad got his ass kicked by Batman, Spoiler. And she was glorious. Course the Bat disagreed, said she was unpolished and unprepared. But that emo furry didn't get an opinion on how Stephanie lived her life, and Tim was always there to smooth things over if B took it too far. Tim was sweet and all, but Stephanie knew damn well what it felt like when people looked at her and saw only a step in their path. So when Boy Blunder fucked off, she donned a new mask because she'd always been worthy of his time, and he was an idiot.

She was good at being Robin; whether Batfuck would agree or not is totally irrelevant. She saved his life, and he fired her. Her eyes caught on the memorial in the cave, A Good Soldier. Yeah, maybe Stephanie wasn't a good soldier, but being one hadn't done Jason any favors. If the Bat's idea of a good Robin was a rule-following pushover, Stephanie would show him a great Robin was anything but.

She set out to prove once and for all that she, Stephanie Brown, was good- at her job, at being a hero, at being a daughter- good. She nabs one of Batfuck's underdeveloped schemes off the Batcomputer and modifies it to suit her. Maybe she wasn't the problem, maybe- just maybe, the problem was B's bullshit. Her plan goes beautifully. She's alive, brilliant, and better than ever- and she was right all along: she was a hero. They find her body hours later.

She didn't even get a memorial.

[idk-why-imhere]

so i'm pretty new to this too and I'll make some mistakes but bare with me (this is gonna be such a long post).

there are 5 Robins: Dick Grays on, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Stephanie Brown, Damian Wayne (and i think Duke Thomas too but idk for sure and Idk much ab Steph either)

mind you, this is my understanding of this plus spoilers

first of all, there's Bruce Wayne. his parents owned Wayne Enterprises and were billionaires (with a b, yes). now, one night, they decided to go to a theatre and watch Zoro. but when they exited through a bit of a darker alley, they got mugged at gunpoint and the robber shot them anyway, leaving 6 year old Bruce alone, standing in front of his parents’ corpses in shock. and he wanted vengeance, because of course he does and this need for vengeance only grew over time, so much so that when he was about 20, he decided to become a masked vigilante, a symbol of vengeance itself: Batman. (I feel like I should mention that Alfred also was the only one who raised him). shortly after, he met Jim Gordon, the new Gotham police commissary. at one point, Gordon found out his true identity, but he was killed shortly after. by that time, Batman was an established vigilante, known not only throughout Gotham but outside as well. the crime rates were lower and he was succeeding more or less, but of course some villains like the Joker, Riddler, Penguin etc. remained and he would go on to battle them every night. Harvey Dent, Bruce’s best friend who knew his identity, became Two-Face in the aftermath of an accident where a criminal threw acid at his face. he was also drugged and SAed by Talia Al Ghul, Ra’s Al Ghul’s daughter. (Ra's Al Ghul being the leader of the league of shadows which is this supervillain organizational where they're all assassins)

Richard ‘Dick’ Grayson, was Bat’s first ever sidekick and the original Robin, nickname ‘Boy Wonder’. his parents were acrobats and worked for Haley’s Circus. they were known as The Flying Graysons. but that ended when Tony Zucco, a gangster, wanted a protection tax from the circus owner. the owner refuses and he sabotages the trapeze wires with acid. During the Graysons’ performance, the trapeze from which Dick's parents are swinging snaps, resulting in a death drop. Dick wanted revenge, but Bruce took him in, trained him and made him his sidekick, Robin. they worked together even before Justice League (I think?) and Dick was part of the original YJ Team (whish is this team created by the Justice League and all their sidekick were part of it) before branching off and joining the Teen Titans (I team he founded) before they split and he went on a solo career as Nighwing, a name he got from one of Superman’s stories. Dick moved from Gotham, to Happy Harbor (when he was in YJ), to Jump City (Teen Titans) and then Blüdhaven where he actively lives and operates now. and he was also a cop for the Blüdhaven Police Department. he’s still close to the Batfam and he has a dog, Haley. his best friend is Wally West (Kid Flash, which he acc met in The YJ Team). he, just like Bruce and everyone here, suffered many traumatic events from the death of his parents to multiple acts of SA. (yes, it happened)

Jason Todd (and we’re talking about Prime-Earth Jay here, just so you know), just like Dick, was the son of acrobats, but his parents died a bit differently. some sources say that his parents got put on a t-shirt by Killer Croc which is bullshit because in Death In The Family it’s mentioned that his mom died because of disease and his dad got killed, or is in prison, doesn’t really matter. he grew up in Crime Alley, Gotham’s most dangerous neighborhood, and his parents died, leaving him an orphan in a fucked up place at a very young age. at 12 though, Jason tried to steal a whole wheel off the batmobile but got caught by Bruce and he decided to take him in and train him. which was an absolute success, Jason was an amazing Robin, a happy and wholesome kid. even stopped Batman from killing Joker (honest mistake, Jay). but after finding out that his dad actually worked for Two-Face and coming face to face with the man, having the chance to kill him, Jason turned away. he followed Bruce’s code and turned away, but that made him restless, made him have second thoughts and he began disobeying more, becoming more aggressive, so Bruce kicked him off Robin duty which made Jason even more mad but that all took a backseat when he found out that his mom wasn’t actually his mom so he ran away and went to find her in Lebanon. who was also in Lebanon? Joker. and the man was fresh out of Arkham with a missile truck (read Death In The Family, you'll see), on his way to sell it to terrorists in Lebanon. Bruce was torn between Jay and Joker but decided to go after Joker first. Jay and Bruce met in Lebanon and met a few women who could’ve been his mom but weren’t until they get to this camp that was taking care of famine and the doctor there was actually his mother. short lived though because then he was told by Bruce ‘stay here, don’t do stupid shit and don’t follow Joker’. but Jason followed Joker to this warehouse, trying to save his bio-mom but he got beaten to death by Joker. he tried to escape, save his mom, but joker made sure to set up a bomb and blew up both him and his mom. Jason died. but he got resurrected by Superboy (when he altered some dimensions idfk) and breaks out of his coffin (with his bare hands, mind you), walked away from the graveyard (about 12 miles) before collapsing and then this guy is hospitalized, because the injuries from the Joker had not fully healed. After spending a year in a coma and then as an amnesiac vagrant, he is recognized by a petty criminal who soon informs Talia Al Ghul, Ra’s daughter. After some time, Talia restores his health and memory by immersing him in the Lazarus Pit which is this thing that restores you to health but also makes you a bit insane.

Tim Drake was a normal kid and his parents were actually in the upper class of Gotham. when he was like 3 (I think?) his parents too him to the circus. Haley's Circus. to see The Flying Graysons. (yes, this is going where you think). he saw Dick's parents die but a few years later, at 9 years old, he saw some footage of Batman and Robin gifting Penguin and he say Robin do this move only The Flying Graysons did. so he figured out Robin was Dick Grayson and that Bruce Way was Batman. he also noticed Jason Todd being the second Robin. when he noticed Batman was going off the rails a bit after Jason's death, he went up to Nightwing (whoom he's a huge fan of) and said 'I wanna be Robin'. Dick was like 'fuck no' and went to help Bruce himself but Tim's insistent. so when Dick and Bruce got captured by Two-Face, he put on the Robin costume and saved them (with help from Alfred ofc). Bruce took him in to train him but right before being done w/ training, Tim's parents get kidnapped for sacrifice while on a vacation to the Caribbean. they died from drinking smth laced with poison before Batman could save them. Bruce was now having second thoughts of 'but what if this kid is now driven by anger and will end up like Jason' but Tim didn't he js wanted to do what's right. at some point he got attacked by Jason, but it wasn't Jason, it was js Hush (Google it) who was taking Jason's form. anyway, skipping over some stuff bc we all already know Tim's a great detective and is super smart. I think he also got killed by Joker? idk, I gotta read more on it tbh. he became Red Robin after quitting being Robin (and he was also in the YJ team too). and fun fact: he's bi too.

Damian Wayne (were talking New Earth here, I can explain the continuities too if you ask) is the son of Bruce Wayne. like biological son, yes. so, he was raised by Talia in the League of Shadows and he's a trained assassin. he's 14. by the time he was 9, he was a master assassin, murder rampage and all. when he bacem Robin, it was short lived bc Bruce was killed (Google it. js Google it pls) so Dick took over being Batman and Damian became his Robin and Dick mellowed him out a bit. then Bruce came back from the dead but apparently he wasn't dead, he was travelling through time and space the entire time (whibbly-whobbly, timey-whimey stuff). Damian wasn't the hugest fan of Bruce's 'no killing' thing and he didn't really get why Bruce thought that. They were kidnapped by this Nobody guy but he encouraged Robin's darker side and tried to take him as an apprentice. Robin angrily left the Batcave to work with Nobody, who asked him to execute a criminal. Robin revealed that he was lying, and refused to betray his father. Nobody decided to torture Robin, continuing his personal vendetta against Batman. When Batman discovered their location, he beat Nobody mercilessly and came close to killing him, but stopped when he realized Damian was watching the fight but then Damian killed Nobody. straight like that. and you can imagine, it's hard for him to adjust from being an assassin to this not to mention that Talia never taught him emotions. like this kid is emotionally constipated to the max. (family bonding, nice memories) skipping over tons of stuff again, but he's an animal lover, has a cat named Alfred (completely different entity from butler Alfred), a dog called Titus, another dog called Goliath, and a cow. (she's named Bat-cow btw)

yh, and that's all I could think of on the spot, sorry for the super long explanation.

ANYONE WANT TO EXPLAIN ALL THE BATMAN AND ROBIN STUFF TO ME???

Bc like what do you mean there's five robins and one is red and the other has night wings???

[precursorgod]

very funny to me that pretty much all of bruce's kids have legit died and come back. its only a matter of time before it happens to duke. and then tim will be the only one left. added to the fact that tim has not aged past 17, i would like to take this moment to push the 'immortal tim drake' agenda. thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[clambuoyance]

I want to read the dc comics, but I have no idea where to start. Which one do I read first?

I gave recs for what I started over here and they’re mainly what I started with so you can understand what I draw, but here are some more :) when I first started reading comics I went for shorter ones but as you read you get exposed to characters and you’re like “I wanna read more of them” and then it all spirals from there. I think it helped me get used to reading comic bullshit lol. I only started reading this year so there’s a lot I haven’t read out there.

1. Supersons 2016 (very cute and more lighthearted, three series, finished so it’s about 30 ish issues in total i think, Damian Wayne/Robin and Jonathan Kent/Superboy are the sons of Batman and Superman and they get into shenanigans and have a cute friendship. I really like these ones😊)

2. Young Justice 1998 (older so dunno if you wanna start with it, but it’s fun and wacky and I love it, 55 issues plus some crossover/tie in issues so probably like 60 ish issues, features Tim drake/robin, superboy/Conner kent, impulse/Bart Allen, wonder girl/Cassandra sandsmark, greta Hayes/secret, arrowette/cissie king jones, plus more like empress/anita fite, slobo, and red tornado.)

3. Graduation day (mini comic that is 2 or 3 issues about breaking up yj and the titans smh smh) then the core four (Tim, Bart, kon, cassie) join the teen titans

Teen titans 2003 (grittier and edgier than yj but has it’s nice character moments here n there, about 100 issues, but I’m not gonna lie if Conner isn’t in the issue I kinda zoned out or skimmed it ummm >_>)

4. Batman urban legends. ( ongoing, anthology of several stories and characters, good if you wanna meet a lot of Gotham based characters. This was like my first legit exposure to dc comics specifically so I’m putting it here)

5. World’s Finest 2022 (ongoing, Um I think there’s 5 or 6 issues out rn. It’s revisiting Batman, Robin (Dick grayson), and Superman’s first years together and it’s reallyyyyy cooooooool. I love the vibes and art. Feels very authentically comic book-y. Dan mora is my favorite dc artist Honestly . Lots of others show up too like Supergirl and Doom Patrol 😊Actually this is Probably my fave out of the new comics)

6. Batgirls 2022 (ongoing but there’s like 9 issues out I think??, features Stephanie Brown, Cassandra Cain, and Barbara Gordon, who have all held the mantle of batgirl. Also the art slaps.)

7. Batgirl 2000 (70 issues, about Cassandra cain’s run as batgirl, I haven’t finished it but Its like a really lauded run and is well written so go read it)

8. Batgirl 2009 (26 issues I think, this is about Stephanie brown’s run as batgirl, she is my beloved I love her so much and her jokes are so😖💜)

9. Red Robin 2009 (26 issues I think?, runs parallel to Batgirl 2009 and Batman and Robin 2009, I put this one last bc I feel like it needs a Lot of context unlike the others where you can just jump into it but it is short and It was also one of my first comics so 🧍🏻‍♀️. Basically Tim drake had a solo run (Robin 1993) but it’s over 100 issues and I haven’t even read all of em bc there’s. So much. So if u wanna read more tim drake stuff I’d suggest looking up a reading list bc he debuts in the Detective Comics issues and then gets his own solo. Anywaysss so basically a lot of shit happened lots of friends n family died or “died” leaving Tim in a pretty bad place. Bruce is assumed dead, so Dick becomes Batman and makes Damian his Robin, and Tim takes up the Red Robin mantle. okay actually you can easily pick up the context when u read so nvm😗✌️)

I was gonna put more but I’m on mobile and hit the photo limit ☹️ Kon and Bart have their solos, I started reading The New Teen Titans from the 80s, Damian has a recent robin run, and I’m planning on reading more supergirl/superfam comics and green lantern corps comics so yeaaaaah there’s a loooooot. Hopefully something here piqued your interest and I didn’t overwhelm you.

[carcasstohounds]

stargirl is a fun show but i miss the characterization in the first few episodes when courtney and pat had the stephanie brown and bruce wayne dynamic of like

bruce: absolutely do not do this.

steph: get bent, old man! *does some dumb bullshit, looks cool as hell doing it.*

[zahri-melitor]

Commentary on the poll:

Here’s a set of common reasons for voting for any of the listed characters:-

Hush – Have you read Bat comics between 2003-2011? Are you sick of the most common villain in that time period? Are you still mad about Lieberman’s run on Gotham Knights, or how Tommy ended up involved in every event, even the ones which were very much not about him? Hush tends to annoy people by both being a single trick villain (I am pretending to be Bruce!) and by just being omnipresent.

The Court of Owls – you are tired of the Court being behind literally everything that has ever happened in Gotham history. Alternatively, you’re tired of them being a bad stereotype secret conspiracy theory society. Conversely, you’re still mad about their involvement in Dick’s backstory.

Bane – You are tired of Bane explaining how he broke the Bat. You have read too many 90s comics recently.

Amanda Waller – you are an Ostrander Suicide Squad fan and sick of Waller being treated as a villain rather than a complicated protagonist. Alternatively, you’re just sick of the current push of Waller as Big Bad.

Black Mask – You’re annoyed he’s here and this isn’t a Catwoman book. Alternatively you’re still mad about his involvement with one or more of the following characters: Selina, Holly Robinson, Maggie Kyle, Stephanie Brown, Jason Todd.

Riddler – you’re specifically annoyed by his presence as surprise Riddler stories tend to be the worst characterised Riddler stories, and the ones where he’s mostly likely to kill people.

Ra’s Al Ghul – you are sick of Ra’s turning up and cackling evilly that this is all part of his PLAN. He has manipulated things to occur this way! Alternately you just think Ra��s is overused.

Thomas Waynes (all) – You think Simon Hurt’s entire existence in the present day is bullshit and he’s a boring villain who’s supposed to make you think Actual Thomas Wayne is alive and being evil. You think Thomas Wayne Jnr (Owlman) is an overused baddie/you’re sick of Earth 3 stories. You think the fakeout on whether or not Lincoln March WAS Martha’s son is dull. Possibility – you think I meant Thomas Wayne, Bruce’s father (if there’s one thing I know in comics, it’s NEVER really Thomas Wayne, Bruce’s father).

Deathstroke – you’re sick of people trying to make Slade a Batman villain and want him to go get beaten up by some teenagers over in a Titans title like he should be. It’s a right of passage.

You are reading a Bat comic. There is a splash page at the end of the issue showing the surprise villain behind this story. Which of these options annoys you the most?

Joker has been specifically excluded to get a more interesting spread. Pick someone else who irritates you to your back teeth.