#bisexual discourse

[h--hannah--h]

fellow queers: i beg of all of you, desperately, to stop promoting the lesbian masterdoc. i have been having full on sex fantasies about men since i was like 11 or 12 but because of the masterdoc ive still been considering myself lesbian until recently because i was supposedly doing this in the “gay way” according to the masterdoc.

like i was literally saying “would fuck a dude, no hetero” from 14 y/o to a little over a month ago

[biwrites]

the only think I hear of when I hear the term monosexual is the "monosexual privilege checklist" someone made in 2010 that claimed that straight people respected or even believed that gay and lesbian identities. like there's still articles trying to "prove" that lesbianism is fake

OH BOY MY FIRST ANON!

So, we understand that people can use a concept in bad faith, and it not discredit the entire theory right? Yeah what people were calling “monosexual privilege” was ill conceived. It came out of a period of time where basically everyone online was just terribly misusing the term privilege, and had the world’s worst understanding of intersectionality. (Tbh, people online are still bad at this)

That doesn’t change the fact that there are some differences between the experiences of people attracted to more than one gender, and those who aren’t. There’s differences that can’t be chalked up to homophobia alone. There are people who take bi/pansexuals less seriously than our monosexual counterparts. Are there specific scenarios in which someone perceived to be multisexual might be treated differently, or even worse, than a monosexual person based entirely on their multisexuality? Absolutely! Does that mean that monosexual queer people are privileged? Lmao no it just means our experiences are slightly different. (The same goes for “straight passing privilege” but people looooooove to insist that that’s a super very real “bisexual privilege”)

If some people doing community infighting in the 2010’s made entire frameworks unusable, we wouldn’t be using, for example, lesbophobia, the word cisgender, aphobia, asexual and aromantic as identities, non-binary identity, they/them pronouns, the split attraction model, the concept of non-binary people being gay or lesbians, pansexuality, polysexuality, or omnisexuality, the list goes on.

The term monosexual is literally a categorization, that’s it. Same as cis or trans, same as gay or straight, same as ace or allo(WHICH I’ll point out suffered this exact same discourse), and I’ll continue to use it, because it helps describe real life experiences that don’t quite fit under other terms.

Lastly: why is homophobes trying to “prove that lesbianism is fake” the fault of bisexual and other mspec people? Trust me, people like to say we don’t exist either. Maybe take a moment to examine why you think people being lesbophobic and homophobic is an issue that we caused, instead of one that we suffer under as well.

[perpetualsarcasmmachine]

For instance: A few days ago I saw someone posit on Bluesky that people who ID as “bisexual” are more likely to be attracted to masculine men and feminine women — that bisexuality is the domain of people with attractions to more traditional presentations of gender (sigh).

lol. lmao even.

[autisticallyvillainous]

Little reminder for that bi is attraction to 2+/ multiple genders - saying bisexual is attraction to all genders erases those who are are only attracted to 2+ and not all genders. Thank you for listening.

Evidence

[cloudboundcritters]

"we need more weird queers!!"

you start parroting TERF talking points the milisecond someone says they are a lesboy or gaygirl

you cry when mspec lesbians/gays exist

you refuse to use neopronouns or it/its, even when those are a persons only set of pronouns

you expect a-specs to experience attraction in some way (yes, that includes platonic attraction)

you exclude intersex people

you can't even accept furries.

[xxbl00dsh3dbunnyxx]

I WANT THE LGBT COMMUNITY TO JUST STOP FIGHTING

WE ARE NOT AGAINST EACHOTHER, WE ARE NOT ENEMIES NO MATTER HOW YOU IDENTIFY

TRANS PEOPLE ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, INTERSEX PEOPLE ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, BISEXUALS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, LESBIANS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, ASEXUALS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, AROMANTICS ARE NOT YOUR ENEMY, ETC

TERFS ARE YOUR ENEMY, TRANSPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, HOMOPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, ACEPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, AROPHOBES ARE YOUR ENEMY, ETC

STOP PUSHING AT EACHOTHER, START PUSHING FOR EACHOTHER, ANY HATE TOWARDS ANY GROUP OF US IS HATE TOWARDS ALL OF US

TRANS PEOPLE BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, INTERSEX PEOPLE BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, BISEXUALS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, LESBIANS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, ASEXUALS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, AROMANTICS BEING ATTACKED IS AN ATTACK ON ALL OF US, ETC

THERE ARE NO "GOOD" QUEERS IN THEIR EYES, AS LONG AS YOU ARE QUEER YOU WILL BE A TARGET

DISCRIMINATION IS DISCRIMINATION, DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S A PHYSICAL ATTACK, MEDICAL DISCRIMINATION, GOVERNMENTAL, ALL OF IT

STOP TRYING TO ATTACK EACHOTHER, WE ARE ALL EQUAL

[anarcho-catboyism]

A lot of discourse could stop if y'all stopped approaching every situation with this idea that your experience is the default one

[hainethehero]

It is almost heartbreaking the way the toxic buddie stans are completely disregarding how 911 is trying to engage with discourse surrounding homophobia & LGBTQIA+ hate in workplaces in the show, and are crucifying one of the queer characters who is explicitly gay, just because their faves aren't a couple.

Like, this 👆 scene was devastating as much as it was badass because of Chimney. Tommy didn't fight back, and instead shifted his stance a little. He looks visibly uncomfortable and hurt but doesn't respond, alluding to the fact that he doesn't want to cause a scene, and/or doesn't feel empowered enough to stand up for himself and his boyfriend.

The scene could've been such a catalyst for deeper discussions about queer representation in service jobs like firefighting. It could've even led to discourse about intersectionality and how Hen faced her own struggles in the LAFD because in addition to being queer, she is black and a woman.

But no.

Instead, y'all are raving on and on about how Tommy is ugly, Lou is d*sgusting, how the cast and Oliver hate him and his character & how Buck and Eddie should be together and anything other than buddie = queerbaiting.

If you only want Buck to be bisexual with Eddie, then you NEVER cared about bisexual/queer representation in the first place.

[oro-junestar]

By cutting out the TQ+, you also cut out:

-Intersex people

-Two-spirit gays and other culturally connected gays

-Gender nonconforming people

-Those who are questioning their sexuality

-Gays, lesbians, and bi's who are supportive of trans people

-Millions of kind, loving, supportive humans who have gone through indescribable, traumatic abuse and wish to build a safe, welcoming community

Why are you so eager to exclude and belittle people? Why do you tell them they 'don't know what real struggle looks like' when their healthcare, their future, and their lives are under attack? Do you truly value 'love', or do you just want to swat away as many people as possible? Why do you continue to hide under a rock and dig yourself deeper into festering hatred, when you can simply come out and support people who can help you?

Wouldn't it be easier to unite with our trans and nonbinary friends to help defeat the growing threat of genuine fascism in our country? Those conservative Christian nationalists and white supremacists who tell you you're "one of the good ones" would gladly turn around and shoot you in a heartbeat, because when they say they're fighting the 'woke gender ideology', they'll mutter in the same breath that you gays are 'degenerates', 'sodomites', and 'animals'. Why would you side with the villains, who see you the same way they see us?

We cannot let oppression continue in any form. We will all be on the winning side of history as we step closer to ending the cycle of hatred and bullying. Open your hearts and minds and you'll find that the everyone around you is just as human as you, and are more similar to you than you'd think. Trans people are people, just like you, and we need your help and support just as much as you need ours.

Isn't it neat how people who are supportive of all LGBTQ+ identities are also kinder, more loving, more empathetic, and more caring towards their friends and loved ones? Just something to think about.

Love wins. Trans rights are human rights.

[leotheloaf]

Hi, y’all, in the coming years it is more important than EVER that we have a strong queer community.

What we ARENT gonna be doing, is forming separatist movements, or rekindling old ones, or dogpiling each other over who “gets the right to speak” about their own oppression. We ARENT gonna be throwing the most “unpalatable” queers under the bus to try to appeal to cis/het/allo people. We ARENT gonna be abandoning our trans and nonbinary siblings. We ARENT gonna be abandoning our intersex siblings, and we A R E going to be INCLUDING them in our activism. Respectability politics gets us nowhere. Infighting gets us nowhere. Separatism gets us NOWHERE. Shape tf up y’all

[riza-hawks-eye]

I don't care about your immersion or how you find having too many romance options in your game annoying or whatever.

I love the way Larian's Faerun is Bisexual. I love how the majority of the characters are Bi or Pan and no one is fucking weird or prejudiced about it.

Lord knows I will never get a positive environment like that in real life with all you hating bitches.

[tremendously-crazy]

sometimes, i forget that people ship sherlock holmes with characters other than watson. genuinely startles me

[ugly-anarchist]

Anyone who says that men/mascs aren't oppressed or hated for being men/mascs is wrong and kind of a shitty person

Anti-masculinity is a massive problem in the queer community!

Butch sapphics, trans men, masc enbies, transfems who don't pass or don't want to pass, intersex people, people who are just attracted to men are all demonized within queer spaces. And this stems from a hatred of men/masculinity and the idea that anyone who is masculine, physically, through presentation or gender, is the enemy.

Even people who allow masculinity into their lives are demonized. Do you know how many bi women are ostracized from sapphic spaces because they like men? People who are attracted to men are expected to bash their own sexuality! They're expected to go "ugh I hate that I like men"! Trans men are expected to hate the fact that they're men! Trans men are expected to go "ew I'm a gross man now I miss being a woman I wish I was cis"!

The anti-masculinity within queer spaces has gone so far that we've looped back around to homophobia, biphobia, and transphobia. This is a problem! This is a problem that needs to be talked about! No one benefits from this shit! Women don't even benefit from it because if a woman decides she wants to present as masculine or be gnc in any way then she immediately gets shunned for being a gender traitor! This is just radfem shit!!!

And if you call me a fucking "transandrophobia truther" then you're a part of the problem!!!

[bixels]

Just a heads up, sorry if it sounds bad or entitled or whatever - honestly I like seeing creator's opinions on stuff, and the only point where I don't really agree with you is using the word "misandry". I understand completely there are women who hate on men a lot and it's a growing issue, I just feel like using this word is not exactly correct? Since misogyny also talks about the historical laws and social oppressions of women, and women are yet to make men victims of such a wide-scale thing. Not that I want them to or they should, it just irks me a bit because women hating men hasn't and probably never will be on such a wide scale as men have hated women.

Honestly I don't really want to start anything or annoy you with this, and I completely get if I never get an answer to this. Hope you have a nice day either way!

Yeah that’s why I’m mostly fine with misandry. It’s a conceptual response to trauma and oppression that doesn’t materially or systematically harm me or men in general. But also, I think making it your entire ideology to abide by makes you an unreasonable asshole who’s more concerned with making enemies than allies.

[fruitydiaz]

i don’t understand when people act like b***t***** breaking up would be bad for queer representation on screen…i want queer relationships to be treated more like non queer ones. i want a character to discover he’s bi and not end up with the first man he dates after that. i want him to explore more and discover more about himself. i don’t want queer characters for the sake of having queer characters i want queer characters with interesting in depth stories. i think that b*** dating one man and realizing that he does want something different is? good? actually? i think the exploration of what happens in someone’s first queer relationship and where they go afterwards and how they find what they really want is just as important and meaningful. the idea that wanting a specific queer relationship to end in favor of another one (let alone one with…years of history) is somehow homophobic or not appreciating queer representation or fetishizing or whatever is just very confusing to me.

[gaytommykinard]

uhh.. yikes?