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According to the way they adapted Fire and Blood in House of the Dragon, we can probably expect some changes in Dunk and Egg:
Dunk is actually the long lost son of Daemon Blackfyre and Dornish Daenerys Targaryen (y'know because EVERYONE has to have their parents explained)
Egg will not be loyal to Dunk, he'll be a total scumbag
Maekar DID kill Baelor on purpose.
Before Baelor dies he whispers that Egg should be King and Dunk must immediately be named a Kingsguard.
Aerion will commit like one actrocity and then get a redemption arc.
Bloodraven and Bittersteel are estranged lovers (this could work) and all this is a bitter divorce
Bloodraven gets his info by selling feet pics. The trees told him that's how Alicent did it.
Shiera Seastar DOES actually eat children and bathe in blood.
Daeron the Drunken will take so much fantasy cocaine/LSD that the whole thing was actually all an acid trip
Daemon II Blackfyre will not serve cunt or camp.
The Blackfyre Rebellion? All happened in one big miscommunication Trope.
The dragons aren't dead, they're actually just finding themselves in the wilderness, you know? They're just really getting into their earthy crunch side.
Maekar Targaryen will do nothing all season. Just serve face and say offensive shit
The Dornish will be an integral part of the season. You will only know about it because of Behind the Episode.
Valarr Targaryen is a socialist and that is why they killed him off.
The mastermind behind all the Targaryen deaths? Baby Walder Frey.
Who really stole the dragon egg at Whitewalls? Time Travelling Penny in disguise.
#This is a joke#But now I'm afraid it will all come true š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£#dunk and egg#a knight of the seven kingdoms#the sworn sword#The mystery knight#the hedge knight#ser duncan the tall#Ser dunk#aegon v targaryen#egg targaryen#house of the dragon#valarr targaryen#maekar targaryen#baelor breakspear#baelor targaryen#Bloodraven#brynden rivers#aegor rivers#Bittersteel#The Blackfyre Rebellion#shiera seastar#Hbo a knight of the seven kingdoms#The Ashford tourney#The whitewalls tourney#house targaryen#House Blackfyre#duncan the tall#aerion targaryen#aerion brightflame
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The Hedge Knight graphic novel - could it work as a roadmap for HBO's A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms?
So, per reports, HBO's Dunk & Egg show is going to be 6 episodes. I've seen several people saying that's too long, it should be 4 episodes at most, a 2 hour movie at most, there will be too much filler, blah blah blah. Well let me tell you, that's not true!
In 2003, The Hedge Knight was adapted as a 6 issue comic book (later collected as a graphic novel), and I think its script, each issue ending in a cliffhanger or dun-dun-dunnn moment, would work perfectly for the show, and is very probably how they'll do it.
Potential spoilers under the cut, but first - is this not perfect casting and costuming? It so is.
Like I said, I think each issue could be the plot of each episode. So I'm just going to summarize these issues, I hope you've read the GN or the novella. (If not, go read it, go read all of Dunk & Egg, it's so good.)
#1 - Dunk buries Ser Arlan, decides to go to Ashford for the tourney, meets Egg and a weird drunk guy at an inn on the way, gets to Ashford, sets up camp in the forest (bathes naked in a stream), goes to the tourney field and sees Tanselle performing her puppet show, gets measured for armor he can't quite afford, gets back to his camp to find the weird little bald kid making dinner.
#2 - Dunk agrees Egg can be his squire, that night he sees the falling star, next morning goes to Ashford castle and gets told he needs to prove he's a knight to enter the tourney (or that Arlan was, since he says Arlan knighted him), meets Aerion (badly) but also the Kingsguard, sells his horse for armor money, talks to Tanselle and meets the Fossoways, then meets up with the young Dondarrion lord whose dad Arlan worked for and relates the House Dondarrion origin story (imagine them telling that via puppet imagery, ooh), gets told "yeah knowing that is no proof you're a knight, sucks to be you".
#3 - Dunk goes back to the castle, stumbles into Baelor and Maekar arguing about M's missing kids, Baelor remembers his epic joust with Arlan so yay Dunk can be in the tourney, Dunk and Egg talk to Tanselle about painting him a shield, they watch the opening of the tourney (lots of jousting and pageantry including Lyonel "the Laughing Storm" Baratheon), and the first day ends after Aerion deliberately kills that horse.
#4 - Dunk argues with Egg over how much of a douche Aerion is, more flirting with Tanselle, gossip with Raymun Fossoway about the Targaryens, Egg runs in to say Aerion's hurting Tanselle, Dunk beats up Aerion and almost gets murdered by Aerion's goons, Egg reveals himself to save Dunk, Dunk in prison, talks to Egg and Baelor, Baelor tells him he can be mutilated for striking a prince or ask for trial by combat, so "how good a knight are you, truly?"
#5 - Aerion says sure, trial by combat, but only a trial of seven, Dunk has to find 6 guys, talks to Raymun and Steffon Fossoway, Daeron apologizes and tells Dunk his dragon dream, shield reveal, next morning the smallfolk are all "a knight who remembered his vows", various guys show up to help Dunk and Raymun gets knighted, but Steffon Fossoway goes to Aerion's side so they're still missing a guy, "are there no true knights among you?", wait is that Valarr??? no it's Baelor in Valarr's armor omg
#6 - The trial of seven. You know how this ends. š Then talking to Maekar, and Dunk and Egg ride off into the sunset together.
I hope that's convincing enough for the doubters! I can see a few points where something might be shifted from the end of one to the beginning of the other -- but on the whole I think the comic is an excellent roadmap for the show, and I hope this is the way they lay it out. Also ftr, the Sworn Sword graphic novel was also originally 6 issues so possibly season 2 ditto (unless they add an episode for the in between THK-TSS Dorne and Oldtown adventures that didn't actually appear in the novellas, idk). But the Mystery Knight was only released as one book, so who knows, they might go for more episodes when they get to that season.
Also, re taking inspiration from the comic, I really hope they adapt the Kingsguards' gold codpieces. Just because.
#asoiaf#the hedge knight#a knight of the seven kingdoms#dunk and egg#akotsk#duncan the tall#aegon v targaryen#tanselle#daeron the drunken dreamer#aerion brightflame#baelor breakspear targaryen#maekar targaryen#raymun fossoway#steffon fossoway#lyonel baratheon#the ashford tourney#the trial of seven#asoiaf comics#akotsk spoilers#thk spoilers#serious serious spoilers - do *not* click if you don't want to know the story!#another in a series of fantasy booking adaptations lol
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Oh, indeed. There is an incredibly popular quote used in probably hundreds of jonsa graphics and a few metas and no doubt a lot of videos by now, "Stone and snow, that was all that was left of Winterfell. Just like her and Jon." I have no idea where it originally came from, some 2011/2-era fanfic or graphic edit, but it certainly does not come from GRRM. Heck, it's not even grammatically correct and not even really GRRM's style (not that that's ever stopped anyone).
And yet, a few years ago, a jonerys friend asked me to proofread their meta disputing various jonsa claimsā¦ and within their essay, they had spent 6-8 paragraphs disputing this quote. š¤¦āāļø They were extremely surprised to hear it was not actual ASOIAF text that they needed to consider.
And there's so much out there, just like this. Another pervasive one, non-ship related, is āa harp in the tomb, a child in the womb, a dragon in a stone eggā, a nice bit of poetry sourced only from a theory essay postulating Rhaegar's harp is in Lyanna's tomb. People have come to me going, "but that theory must be true, I mean, the poem!" and I had to gently explain he drew the receipts himself.
(lol, well, I say not ship-related even though it's R+L=J, but I tend to think of those obsessed with it (particularly that essayist) more as theory-obsessives rather than ship-obsessives. Not to slight shippers, I'm one myself, but it's a different kind of attitude for text analysis and projection, focusing less on proof of love specifically.)
But yeah, made up or misread jonsa theories are hilariously pervasive -- "the girl in grey" for one (it's Alys Karstark, who came to the Wall as a girl in grey riding a dying horse escaping a forced marriage. GRRM gave the answer in the book the prophecy appeared ffs, the whole story point of the prophecy is that Jon sent Mance and the spearwives to Winterfell to aid "Arya" and thus they ended up in Theon and Jeyne's storyline, but no, Sansa's going to do it all over again just because!) And my Ashford tourney crack theory they stole and misinterpreted (it was about Aegon, and about the fact nobody won the tourney because of Dunk (Sandor, lol, though I'll accept Brienne too), and I've seen people seriously considering it important even though I admit it's almost certainly coincidence and doesn't mean anything! Jonsas aren't the only ones of course, believe me I've seen some tremendous crack in my own ship, but I'm thinking specifically of cases like that where the actual text of the story (Alys Karstark, Mance, Jeyne, Theon; or the historical events of the tourney where Dunk and Egg met and Baelor Breakspear died) doesn't even seem to exist if you're only looking at edits and videos and other fanworks. It gives a wildly bizarre reading of the text if you've never actually read it.
And yes, twitter is full of these cases where the text has become irrelevant, where people make inferences and projections on top of distanced inferences and projections. Not to exclude worg and reddit, where people just make theories-on-top-of-theories, building up enormous cloud castles with no real foundation. Like the Southron Ambitions Conspiracy (textually, the rantings of a lonely paranoid woman), which developed (rationally) into the fan theory that "the STAB bloc formed to remove the Targaryens", but people use that as a basis for so much more, defaulting it as true, even though it is still only an unproven theory! And because it's maester-related and Targaryen-related, it's been mixed with the maester anti-magic conspiracy (very likely true, but also very shadily sourced within the text), into this enormous Protocols of the Elders of Hightower bizarre conspiracy theory that the Hightowers and Citadel want to control all of Westeros and killed all the Targaryens and dragons even the ones who were killed by each other and you can't trust the maester-written Fire & Blood in any way! except it's an inviolate text for the parts you want to be true and nothing is real but everything is, how dare you say otherwise.
Anyway, thank you so much re the term "sourcecreep" and that Jack Sparrow not-a-quote. Fascinating stuff.
@ilynpilled
ppl being more interested in Fandom than the actual source text is so real like they do have their own nonexistent text thats just a recycled concoction of the same bland fandom incorrect quotes tropes over and over again which deviates so much from the canon and they prefer to the actual thing lol
my favorite example of sourcecreep is the fact that if you go on reddit, pinterest, or facebook, or google image search 7 years ago, or flickr and photobucket if you're properly fandom old, you will find image edits of disney's jack sparrow with the quote overlay "the problem is not the problem. the problem is your attitude about the problem."
if you've seen enough of these edits (there are many thousands of them), you might even read those two sentences in his trademark cadence.
the problem here, though, is not anyone's attitude about the problem. it's that this quote has never appeared in any of the five films in which jack sparrow appears. nor in any of the video games he stars or guest-stars on. nor in any of the tie-in young jack sparrow novels or the film novelizations. it is not from a deleted scene or an early draft of any script. it's not from any of the disney park parades or firework shows in which jack is included as a face character with recorded speaking lines. it's not from the original ride or the re-dress of the ride post-dead man's chest.
this is a quote from the YA series the sisterhood of the traveling pants. one of the characters' coaches says it to them in one of the books because they are children in high school. there is no reason for it to be attributed to this character or this franchise besides one patient zero at some point or another 20 years ago making an image with a text overlay on picnik photo editor and uploading it to their livejournal or whatever.
anyway this is how asoiaf fans on twitter absorb information about their favs from the series and then post about it. i believe there are many such cases across fandom at large.
#sourcecreep#fandom#incorrect quotes#pirates of the caribbean#jack sparrow#the sisterhood of the traveling pants#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#asoiaf fandom#r plus l equals j#the ashford tourney#alys karstark#maesters#the southron ambitions conspiracy#the maester anti magic conspiracy#conspiracy theories#oh fandom#you drew the receipts yourself#the world's silliest game of telephone#anti jonsa#(i was using a version of that tag with an emoji to hide it from search but it caused more issues with filtering alas)#also to the op sorry for the delay on this reblog but too many holidays in september/october interrupted ack#the problem is not our attitude about the problem#queue and me we're in this together now
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I bet aerion's carrd would go crazy
#.txt#main kins: balerion the black dread. maegor the cruel. firestar warriorcats#hes got one of those dnis that gets really hyperspecific the further you read#dni if you're that tall fucker who punched me in the face at the ashford tourney in 209 ac#dni if you support puppet shows featuring knights slaying dragons (I'm dragonkin and this triggers my kin trauma)
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I hope you find a love thatās true So the morning light shines on you
#book jonsa#jonsa#thenorthsource#sansa stark#web weaving#jon snow#jonnel stark#sansa manderly stark#ndn starks#rani graphics#ashford tourney theory#the pact of ice and fire#i hope this isnāt confusingā¦..itās 70% fancasts
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How does ashford theory account for āI was going to marry her to Robert!ā? There is no Arryn suitor, and Robert has been mentioned more than once as a possible match for Sansa. In my opinion, thatās one of the most avid holes in the theory.
The fourth pavilion was sewn together from diamond-shaped pieces of cloth, alternating red and white. Dunk did not know the colors, but Egg said they belonged to a knight from the Vale ofĀ ArrynĀ named Ser Humfrey Hardyng. "He won a great melee at Maidenpool last year, ser, and overthrew Ser Donnel [Darklyn?] of Duskendale and the LordsĀ ArrynĀ and Royce in the lists."
I think out of the two Vale "suitors", GRRM picked the one whose role is far more significant. The betrothal to Sweetrobin is mentioned as an option but is never plot-relevant, unlike the others. (Joffrey, Willas, Tyrion, Harry - they all drive the plot forward as matches to Sansa.) Honestly, I think that GRRM mostly put it in for the "how would you like to marry your cousin" line. The betrothal serves no political purpose that benefits Lysa at that point in time and is dropped with no repercussions.
GRRM gives a small mention to Arryn and Royce (Waymar being emphasized as Sansa's past crush in AFFC) in Hardyng's backstory, which could be interpreted as a nod in that direction.
Far more significant than leaving out the Arryn suitor is the inclusion of the Hardyng suitor. Because, literally, the name appears in no. other. context. but at this tourney and being one of Sansa's suitors. It's what drives home the significance of the other names in the first place. That's what makes the black-clad, dark-haired Targaryen such an interesting addition in that circle. What is the "black prince with the white guardian" doing in that company?
It's too much to be a coincidence, so what's the point of niggling at the ultimately insignificant details? It's an easter egg of a hint. Not an air-tight legal argument meant to hold up in court.
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There is something so beautifully anvilicious about these quotes;
"Ā I am a bastard too now, just like him.Ā Oh,Ā itĀ wouldĀ beĀ soĀ sweet, to see him once again. But of course that could neverĀ be. Alayne Stone had no brothers, baseborn or otherwise." (AFFC, Alayne II)
"TheĀ dreamĀ wasĀ sweetĀ . . . but Winterfell would never be his to show. It belonged to his brother,Ā theĀ King inĀ theĀ North. HeĀ wasĀ a Snow, not a Stark. Bastard, oathbreaker, and turncloak . . ." (ASOS, Jon V)
Both Jon and Sansa are yearning for Winterfell and the feelings/memories/family associated -but both are intrinsically restricting themselves based off of their bastard status. The notion of Sansa being the only Stark (and character) to transition from a high-born noble lady to a baseborn bastard cannot be overlooked. (And then of course, the notion of Jon being the only Stark (and character) to transition from baseborn bastard to lord commander, cannot be overlooked.) Jon has risen to the top whilst Sansa has lowered to the bottom.
She (GRRM) makes the comparison to Jon herself, meaning that GRRM makes the comparison himself. this isn't something interpreted by fans - it is right there, explicitly within the text.
Sansa's desire to reunite with Jon is "sweet," it'd be almost like a dream come true. Jon's "dream was sweet" as well. But "Winterfell could never be his" and seeing her brother once again "of course, could never be" (possible).
And then later on in the text, Jon is offered the chance to become Jon Stark, and have Winterfell in name. Thus his decidedly unsubtle desire (that he dismisses as an entirely impossible dream) is fulfilled by Stannis' offer, even though he eventually rejects it in truth "Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa."
There is also the quote that precedes Jon's "sweet dream," where he fantasises about a beautiful little romance with Ygritte; showing her a flower from the glass gardens, feasting her in the great hall, bathing in the hot pools, and loving beneath the heart tree. This dream is directly connected to Winterfell and is obviously sexually + romantically charged.
So whilst Jon's desire is partially fulfilled (even if he doesn't accept it) can we possibly assume that Sansa's simultaneously unsubtle "that could never be" may also be fulfilled? Since GRRM seems to really be beating us over the head with how 'that could never happen' from Sansa's internal monologue "no one will ever marry me for love" is reiterated multiple times (just you wait sweet one!) and Sansa desiring to reunite with her brother who she has modelled her bastardry after, who is supposedly the only brother left to her, is immediately dismissed by Sansa because she's accepted the fact that she'll never be with her family again, (and that she shall never encounter true love).
The connections only keep connecting!
So to summarise:
Jon & Sansa both have "sweet" dreams/desires that connect to Winterfell/family.
Jon's dream is sexually/romantically charged, involves a red-headed girl, and establishes Jon's suppressed desires as actually romantic.
Both Jon and Sansa are bastards in these contexts.
Both Jon and Sansa woefully dismiss these dreams/desires as impossible as "that could never be" and "it could never be his to show."
Jon's desire however is later offered on a silver platter by Stannis Baratheon, to which he mulls over and states that he "has always wanted it" (to be his). Though he later refuses Stannis' offer on the basis that "Winterfell belongs to Sansa" - twice over he says this.
Jon 'giving' Winterfell to Sansa is in direct contrast to Robb (Sansa's image of an honourably idealistic older brother) flat out rejecting Sansa's claim on the basis of her marriage to Tyrion.
Jon thus establishes himself as the only character who respects and protects Sansa's claim. Who does not abuse or exploit it. (Even though he was given the opportunity for it and it's been his innermost desire since childhood.)
In a way, this further conveys Jon as Sansa's unspoken, subconscious hero who is protecting her interests and instilling all those heroic ideals (such as the Janos Slynt situation) - though she does not realise it and has accepted that "there are no heroes" at all. But Jon is the true hero, hiding in plain sight.
So, whilst Sansa believes there are no heroes, Jon fulfils those ideals. Whilst Sansa believes no one will marry her for love, Jon exists as the embodiment of all the chivalric, romantic ideals that she's so desperately wanted.
Can we now assume that Sansa believing that she will essentially never see Jon again as entirely anvilicious as she will in fact see Jon again?
GEORGE I'M IN YOUR WALLS.
#jonsa#jon x sansa#the fact that I could make a multitude of other connections#like Waymar Royce and the ashford tourney#and Valarr Targaryen#among many many other things#they really are so rich with subtext and linguistic parallels#and people will say they have 0 narrative basis???#HUH???#cause you know for a fact if this was about any other pairing you would not hear the end of it#just ironic lol#anyway Jonnel and Sansa Stark#not going to tell anymore than I already have !
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I have nothing to post for now so I'm going to share an asoiaf oc...because they're all I have on the brain rn. yep . im #ocpilled This is Rhea Florent and her brother Ser Jon Florent at a tourney. They're Dunk & Egg era ocs... and some extra sketches down below.
#a song of ice and fire#asoiaf#asoiaf fanart#original character#asoiaf oc#twoiaf#twoiaf oc#akotsk#a knight of the seven kingdoms#dunk and egg#circa sometime before ashford#look at my brother dawg he's gonna embarrass my whole family at this tourney#i just think they're neat#I LOVE OCS!!!!
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"And Dunk and Egg ā Peter Claffey and Dexter Sol Ansell , respectively āĀ looked as if they just walked out of the pages of my book, and the chemistry between them was just perfect."
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my favourite thing to analyze right now is the parallel of sansa betrothing a prince who's a bastard and then maybe betrothing a bastard who's actually a prince, like if we're too retread the ashford theory its too brilliant of a parallel to not do it , its why i don't think the last targ is aegon because it would just be a remake of of joffrey's twist narrative
yup, yup. i agree w you, i just have to reread the books to get into the zone again. a rumour of twow releasing and i come running backā¦
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jonsa foreshadowing of the day: an old SanSan theory
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how do you feel about j*nsas stealing and appropriating your theory Frankenstein style? I know Iād be pissed but on the other hand itās funny because itās still their strongest āargumentā haha
It makes me laugh, honestly. Especially the way many shippers -- who have evidently never read The Hedge Knight -- place so much importance on the Ashford Tourney, the Ashford fair maid, and the Targaryen champion! Like, Lord's Ashford's daughter is so significant, she doesn't even have a name. And the whole thing with Valarr Targaryen was that he was a pretty awful jouster, and only held onto the position as the fair maid's champion out of nepotism, because nobody good actually challenged him. (Though his cousin Aerion threatened to, before deciding to bully someone else.)
And the most significant point, that Valarr didn't come out of nowhere, defeat all the other champions, and crown the girl queen of love and beauty -- lol, not in the slightest, he was a champion from the start, and the way the tourney was set up was that at the end of the third day, whoever were the final five champions would either choose to keep Ashford's daughter as the QOLAB or select somebody else to be. And either way, that never happened, since during the first night Dunk and Aerion had their altercation, Dunk never saw who any of the champions were on the second day because he was in prison, and the third day the fair maid/champion tourney was canceled and they held his Trial of Seven instead. There was no queen of love and beauty at the end of the story!
Like, this tourney does not compare in significance to, say, the Tourney of Harrenhal. Historically, the fair maid means nothing, the Ashford Tourney is only remembered for the Trial of Seven that ended with Baelor's death. And I only happened to think it was a bit of a funny coincidence that four of the first day's champions matched Sansa's suitors (that's how you know it was taken from me despite claims of independent creation, it was known as "the Fifth Suitor theory") and thought it might be an even more funny coincidence if Aegon ended up pursuing Sansa as a bride after (or in the process of) claiming the throne, which was a common bit of speculation in 2012 after Aegon was revealed to be alive (presumably) in 2011's ADWD. And the whole point I had was how futile said champions were in the face of Dunk's actions, and well, *cough*.
But it was always just a crack theory, a silly coincidence. That they've imbued it with such significance, well, um. Good for them I guess. It's certainly less worse than pointing to Sansa Stark daughter of Rickon and her half-uncle Jonnel -- when most likely that was a forced marriage to steal an inheritance like the uncles of Alys Karstark attempted with her, and Jonnel had no children with either Sansa or his second wife, died, and two successive brothers became Lord of Winterfell before the youngest had any children to succeed him. That is not a historical model you want to follow, I'm sorry.
BTW, this post of mine also getting appropriated by jonsas also makes me laugh (2 for 2 lol my god), because the point of that parallel was that Jon is indeed a hero from the songs -- since again, in 2011 immediately post-ADWD there was a fandom reaction pushing Aegon up as the actual PTWP and such. (Well. The ones who didn't decide Victarion was Azor Ahai lol sigh.) And that Sansa's words were the foreshadowing ones, I thought was significant, again in response to fandom decreeing her unimportant. It was not to make Jon specifically Sansa's hero or lover or anything where is that implied I have no idea oh shippers oh fandom sigh sigh sigh šš
#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#the ashford tourney#dunk and egg#the hedge knight#duncan the tall#valarr targaryen#lord ashford's daughter#sansa stark#aegon vi targaryen#jon snow#sansa stark daughter of rickon#jonnel stark#asoiaf theories#crack theories#oh fandom#oh shippers how we try so hard#but some ships evidently try harder than others š#anti jonsa#i dislike using anti tags but it's only fair to not subject them to such dismissal in their tag i suppose lol sigh#anonymous asks#oh god the d&e tv show will be disappointing a whole ton of shippers when they actually see the tourney and the fair maid won't it š
#but no butterfly tell us what you really think
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^^^ A production photo from A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms via Winter Is Coming.
It apparently was taken during filming of the tourney at Ashford Meadow.
The series is set to start in August or September.
#game of thrones#house of the seven kingdoms#a knight of the seven kingdoms#asoiaf#tourney at ashford meadow#gra o tron#rĆ³d smoka#la maison du dragon#Š“ŃŠ¼ Š“ŃŠ°ŠŗŠ¾Š½Š°#é¾ä¹å®¶ę#juego de tronos#a guerra dos tronos#a casa do dragĆ£o#la casa del dragĆ³n#Ų¢Ł Ų§ŁŲŖŁŁŁ#haus des drachen#ą¤”ą„ą¤°ą„ą¤ą¤Ø ą¤ą¤¾ ą¤ą¤°#ejderha evi#×××Ŗ ×××Øק××#gia tį»c rį»ng#ĻĻĪÆĻĪ¹ ĻĪæĻ
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Are we going to have Ashford Tourney in TKOSK? Considering there is Humphrey Hardyng and Leo Tyrell in cast.
Of course! That's the heart of the story!
[ā¦] I knew I wanted to be in this book [Legends], so when he [Robert Silverberg] invited me to be in this book I gleefully accepted, and then I had to think, well, what am I gonna write for this book? Iām still in the middle of writingā¦ I think I was still in the middle of writing Clash of Kings, I mean the only book out there was Game of Thrones. Well, am I gonna write a story about Tyrion or Arya or Jon Snow? No! I canāt do that. I have to save that for the book. I have to do this, I have to do a prequel. So I started thinking about my history and what would be a good area to write it, and I came up with the Dunk and Egg stuff. I was particularly attractedā¦ that whole story [The Hedge Knight] is built around a tournament. I love medieval tournaments, reading about them, writing about them. Thereās of course some of them in the main books, but this was an opportunity in a time of peace, not war, to look at a medieval tournament with all its pageantry and the jousting and the combat and reveal a little of Westerosi History.
āIn conversation: George R.R. Martin with Dan Jones FULL EVENT- August 2019
#anon asks#grrm#AKOTSK#and he wrote the ashford tourney as an allegory of sansa stark's political importance in the 7K#others wish
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self indulgent info dump about the hedge knight
I did this in a couple of hours and used the Hedge Knight as my only source for everything. If you see any mistakes please kindly correct me! This is mainly for me because I can't stop thinking about the Hedge Knight and want to do a project related to it, so here's everything I think I would need for it.
(contents: a [long] summary of the hedge knight, every named character, all of the tourney matches, the trial by 7 teams and deaths)
SUMMARY:
Ser Arlan of Pennytree, a hedge knight (or wandering knight), dies of a chill. His squire, Dunk is the only one who can bury him, and Dunk buries him facing the sunset, as he reflects on Ser Arlan's life. Dunk mourns the old man, yet continues taking their horses Thunder, Chestnut, and Sweetfoot, as well as Ser Arlan's sword and remaining money. He stops by an inn where he is near attacked by a drunk man, and where a bald boy called Egg demands to be his squire, but Dunk refuses because he did not want to ruin the boy's life. Dunk goes to the grand tourney at Ashford, hoping to earn some money, and Egg follows him. Dunk takes Egg as his squire, because of Egg's willpower.
At Ashford Dunk sells his horse, Sweetfoot, so that he can afford armor. He meets the cousins Ser Steffon Fossoway and his squire, Raymun Fossoway. However, he is not able to enter the lists for the tourney since no one can prove his knighthood; that is until the Hand of the King and heir to the throne Baelor Breakspear, vouches for him, after recalling how Ser Arlan broke 4 lances against him. However Prince Baelor's brother, Prince Maekar is dismissive of Dunk and is worried for his two missing sons, Prince Daeron and Prince Aegon. Dunk enters but only for the 3rd day, so he will have a better chance at winning.
On the 1st day, many jousts happen. The final joust is when Prince Aerion "Brightflame" Targaryen, grandson of King Daeron, nephew of Prince Baelor, and son of Prince Maekar uses his lance to kill Ser Humfrey Hardyng's horse. It's dishonorable and Humfrey breaks his leg in the fall. Ser Humfrey is declared the champion. That night, Prince Aerion attacks the puppeteer (Tanselle "Too-Tall) that Dunk has a crush on, because her show involved a dragon (the crest of House Targaryen) getting killed. Egg calls Dunk, and Dunk beats up Prince Aerion. When Dunk gets seized by the guards, Egg reveals himself to be Prince Aerion's younger brother, Prince Aegon Targaryen.
Aerion wants to behead Dunk, and Maekar finds his son, Prince Daeron who was supposed to accompany Egg, and Prince Daeron says that a robber knight took him so his father would not be disappointed in him. Daeron withdraws his accusation and tells Dunk that he dreamed of Dunk with a dead dragon, and that Daeron's dreams come true. Dunk demands a trail by combat and Aerion demands a trail by seven. (Teams listed on the bottom of this post.)
Baelor Breakspear fought against the Kingsguard, since the Kingsguard are bound by their vows to never harm a member of the Royal Family. Aerion fought against Dunk, since Aerion was Dunk's main accuser. Daeron was unhorsed by Ser Robyn. Prince Baelor drove down one of the Kingsguard, and it is implied he also did so to another Kingsguard and his brother, Prince Maekar. Aerion unhorsed Dunk, however Dunk was able to beat Aerion using tactics he learned from Flea Bottom. Aerion withdrew his accusation.
Afterwards, Dunk is heavily injured and the two Humfreys are dead. After Prince Baelor's helmet was removed, his brains fell out and he died. When Dunk is healed he attends the funeral, and the new heir to the throne, Prince Valarr, Baelor's eldest son asks Dunk why his father died for a hedge knight. Prince Maekar revealed to Dunk he accidentally killed his brother, even though he loved his brother and expressed his sadness and regret. Maekar told Dunk he sent Aerion to Lys, and he offered Dunk a position in his household, but Dunk declined. Instead, Dunk asks to take Prince Aegon as his squire, and continue to live as a poor hedge knight, as long as he continued to use the nickname "Egg."
EVERY NAMED CHARACTER:
Dunk (Ser Duncan the Tall)
Thunder
Chestnut
Sweetfoot
Ser Arlan of Pennytree
Egg (Aegon V)
Prince Daeron Targaryen
Lord Caron of the Marches
Ser Lyonel Baratheon
House Dondarrion (Manfred Dondarrion)
Otho Bracken
Quentyn Blackwood (MENTIONED)
MENTIONED COMPETITORS: Denys Marbrand, Joseth Mallister, Clarence Cargyll, Desmond Darry, Benifer Blackwood, Robert Blackwood, Roland Blackwood, Roger Blackwood, Ormond Westerling, Swann, Matthew Mullendore, Abelar Hightower, Alador Florent, Jon Florent, Franklyn Frey, Penrose, Samwell Stokeworth, Lord (Unkown) Parren, Gunthor Estermont, Leo Tyrell, Samwyle Tarly
Humfrey Hardyng
Aegon III (Mentioned)
Steely Pate
Plummer (Steward)
Lord Ashford (has 2 sons and a daughter)
Prince Baelor "Breakspear" Targaryen
Prince Aerion "Brightflame" Targaryen
Prince Valarr "The Young Prince" Targaryen
Prince Matarys "The Younger Prince" Targaryen (Nicknamed by Lord Swann's fool)
Ser Roland Crakehall (Kingsguard)
Ser Donnel of Duskendale (Kingsguard)
Henly (Master of Horses)
Steffon Fossoway
Raymun Fossoway
Symeon Star-Eyes noble Serwyn of the Mirror Shield, Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, Ser Ryam Redywne, and Florian the Fool (all fabled heroes portrayed in Tanselle Too-Tall's puppet show)
Prince Aerys Targaryen (Mentioned)
Prince Rhaegal Targaryen (Mentioned)
Prince Maekar Targaryen
Lord Stokeworth (Mentioned, Ser Arlan overthrew him)
The Bastard of Harrenhal (Mentioned, Ser Arlan overthrew him)
The Grey Lion, Ser Damon Lannister (Mentioned, Ser Arlan overthrew him, challenged Leo Tyrell)
Lord Baratheon hosted a tourney to celebrate the birth of his grandson (Where Ser Arlan broke 4 lances with Baelor Breakspear)
Jonquil (Subject of a puppet show, Florian the Fool's lover)
Tanselle "Too-Tall"
Tybolt Lannister
Lyonel Baratheon (called "THE LAUGHING STORM")
King Daeron the Good (Mentioned)
Wate and Yorkel (Aerion's guards)
Ser Willem Wylde
TOURNEY MATCHES: (winners are underlined)
there are 5 champions, Lord Tyrell, Androw Ashford, Lord Tully, Prince Valarr, and Robert Ashford. challengers face off champions. it is 1v1, however several matches occur at the same time. it is a joust and abides by the usual rules: you use lances to try and unhorse your opponent, and after unhorsed you can either yield or continue on foot with weapons. the loser gives their equipment to the winner, and can only ransom it back at the end of the tourney, the champions will decided if lord ashford's daughter should keep the crown of love and beauty.
champion v challenger:
THE GRAY LION OF CASTERLY ROCK V LORD TYRELL
TYBOLT LANNISTER V LORD ASHFORD'S ELDEST SON (ANDROW ASHFORD)
LORD TULLY OF RIVERRUN V SER HUMFREY HARDYNG
SER ABELAR HIGHTOWER V PRINCE VALARR
LORD LYONEL"THE LAUGHING STORM"BARATHEON V THE YOUNGER ASHFORD SON (ROBERT ASHFORD)
MEANING: TYBOLT LANNISTER AND THE LAUGHING STORM BECOME CHAMPIONS, THE REST OF THE CHAMPIONS REMAIN
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SER PEARSE CARON V LORD TYRELL
SER JOSETH MALLISTER V SER HUMFREY HARDYNG
SER GAWEN SWANN V PRINCE VALARR TARGARYEN
MEANING: ALL CHAMPIONS REMAIN
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UNNAMED MATCHES IN 2s, 3s, AND 5s
THESE SPECIFIC THINGS WERE CALLED OUT:
SER HUMFREY HARDYNG V SER HUMFREY BEESBURY
"BATTLE OF THE HUMFREY"
SER TYBOLT LANNISTER V SER JON PENROSE
LEO TYRELL V ROBYN RHYSLING
HUMFREY HARDYNG "HUMBLED 14 KNIGHTS"
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single match:
PRINCE AERION BRIGHTFLAME V HUMFREY HARDYNG
TRIAL:
Judges: Prince Maekar, Prince Baelor, Lord Ashford, Lord Tyrell
(not needed because of the trial by combat)
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Trial of the Seven:
dunk's side: (TOURNEY LANCES)
Raymun Fossoway
Robyn Rhysling
Humfrey Beesbury (Slain by Ser Donnel of Duskendale)
Humfrey Hardyng (Died after the battle)
Lyonel Baratheon / The Laughing Storm
Ser Duncan the Tall
Baelor Targaryen (Accidentally killed by his brother Maekar's mace, died after the battle)
aerion's side: (WAR LANCES)
Steffon Fossoway
Daeron Targaryen
Ser Roland Crakehall (Kingsguard)
Ser Donnel of Duskendale (Kingsguard)
Ser Willem Wylde (Kingsguard)
Maekar Targaryen
Aerion Targaryen
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The Girl In Grey And The Tourney
After narrowly escaping Lady Stoneheart with her life, Brienne follows a lead to the Vale, just in time for the tourney for the Brotherhood of Winged Knights. Before the tourneyās end, however, Ser Shadrich reveals the Lord Protectorās baseborn daughter Alayne Stone to be Sansa Stark and attempts to take her into custody to face justice for kingslaying.
But a True Knight steps forward and demands a trial by combat, saving Sansa from arrest. When the two finally catch a moment alone, Sansa asks Brienne to take her away from the Vale, and go to the only family Sansa has left alive in the North - Jon Snow.
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