#Jiang cheng sucks

[hauntedcats-tales]

This is the person Jiang Cheng stans believe WWX should have left LWJ for and gone back to Lotus Pier with when he came back to life.

chapter 10, 'Only moments before, Jiang Cheng had been so certain this person was Wei Wuxian that all the blood in his body had gone cold and then boiled over in rage. But now, his Zidian told him loudly and clearly that he wasn’t. Zidian couldn’t possibly lie to him, and even less could it make an error. The Clan Chief rapidly calmed himself, and silently thought: It isn’t as though I can’t deal with this. Worst comes to worst, I’ll find some excuse to bring him back to Yunmeng, and then use every method I can to beat the truth out. There’s no need to worry about failing to get anything from him. He can hardly keep everything hidden. It’s not as though I haven’t done this type of thing before.'

Yeah, right.

[poorly-drawn-mdzs]

Bros before Ho(oh my god is that Hanguang-Jun?)

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[professionallylesbian]

If the Wangxian confession happened during the Cloud Recesses Study Arc

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[tea-cat-arts]

[kahluah]

*puts hand up* sorry I’m very new here what’s the context with what’s happening with the tag war??

Alright, I will give my run down, but I will not be naming any blog names on either side even if I have the info and the action was net positive. I just like to use my blog to scroll and reblog for the most part and refuse to embroil myself in the drama more than just giving my view on it as a bystander. One that definitely has an opinion on the events, but also as someone who would rather curate my own experience than fight.

So all this fighting that is going on, it used to just happen in the normal "Jiang Cheng" tag because back then there was no "canon Jiang Cheng" tag; it had not been created yet. (By that I mean it was not a tag used as a tag, Tumblr's shitty search algorithm might still show posts if one typed it in to the search bar because those posts had the words 'canon', 'Jiang', and 'Cheng' in the tags separately, but there would not be posts with "#canon Jiang Cheng" because nobody normally creates a post with a tag like that when "#Jiang Cheng" was suffice. Sometimes I see irrelevant posts in the canon Jiang Cheng tag, but the actual tag isn't on the post, the tags just happen to have all three words in them. Those I ignore because that is Tumblr's fault, not the poster.)

The fighting was between people that like the character and prefer to see the good in him and the interpretation of his character, and those that may or may not like the character (just because you like a character does not mean you need to defend their every action after all) but do not share that opinion of his character and have a more neutral or negative portrayal by contrast. The former also tended to favor or have only read the novel as it is the source material for all other adaptations.

Now things really came to a head when hate and threats were being thrown about on posts that were just quotes from the book showing the negative actions of Jiang Cheng. The people posting the quotes were basically told "if you hate the character why don't you just tag the post as anti-JC?!" but is it really right to call those anti posts when they were posting how the character acts in the source material? That is the character. That is how he acted. Look it is in the book! The character really did that! It is not somebody's negative headcanon that the character may act like that, it is something the character actually did. Personally I can not consider that as an anti character post, and neither did the people who made posts like that.

But things did get heated enough that some people finally took a step back and said "Fine. You want us to make our own space to make these posts so that you do not have to see us talk about JC this way? We will. It will be #canon Jiang Cheng and you can block it if you don't want to see the posts." Was the name picked in the spirit of schadenfreude? Very probable, but it is also not an incorrect name as the people who wanted to use it base their opinion on the novel. But the point was that the tag was created so that people now had their own space to make the posts they wanted and those that did not want to see it could block the tag. Curate your own experience; we can block tags on this site for a reason and advertising tags to block is a courtesy. (Because as said previously, the search here sucks, because the posts contain the character's name they are still likely to show up in the main tag, but block the newly created tag and you will not see those posts either way). Could the other people come into the tag in good faith and make arguments with textual support? Yeah, that was welcomed, but in the spirit of debate they should expect rebuttal. Was that what happened? No.

No instead what happened was basically this meme

They did not like the name chosen for the tag. They read the novel too and still believe that JC is good, so they should be able to use the tag too! Never mind the fact that the tag was made so they could block the posts they didn't want to see. So that they can go on with their days no longer having to deal with the people they constantly fought with. No. Instead of curating the experience of this website, they would get so hung up on the fact that there was now a tag called #canon Jiang Cheng in use that they had to use it too to defend JC from the people that post 'negative' things about him; even if it is novel text!

So while the fighting didn't stop, it did get slightly better because not everyone felt the need to jump into the new tag to defend their fave. Some people actually did curate their experience. Plus there is a block button and people do use it, so things got to a point where I would say it was relatively stable even if there was still fights here and there. (But once again I lurk, I do not participate. Things may not have been the same for more outspoken people).

But then a certain muskrat bought Twitter and a chunk of the fandom there fled here. That's when the main push to "reclaim the tag" and the new influx of people hopping into the tag to argue and defend their fave appeared. These people did not know why the tag was made, they just saw blogs that they liked telling people about the "JC-antis" that made it and how with the new people pouring into the Tumblr fandom from twitter, they had a chance to flood it and reclaim it. And since then the fighting has not really stopped.

As for what has happened in the past few days, you have JC defenders flooding the tag with fan art (not canon), screen caps from CLQ (not canon), and screenshots of a sentence or two from the novel (canon, but usually out of context or lacking additional lines that go on to rebut what was previously said) in the tag and the people who made the tag for a specific purpose getting mad about the spam. (I block so I have no clue how big the influx was or whatever but there was definitely like at least 3 new people I had to block). So when they made posts venting the anger, you got JC defenders coming back to them and going "But I never sent any hate or harassment! I just used the tag to talk about the canon character!" And perhaps they didn't, but these people in their defense always ignore and never respond to the question of why they are in the tag instead of blocking it because that is what the tag was made for. Instead they come back with "Well if you want to talk about JC that way, why don't you post in the anti tag or make your own tag!"... Remember that meme picture I used above. Yup.

The tag war began because people did not like negative posts about JC in the main character tag for JC. When told to use the anti tag or make a new tag, a new tag was made, but instead of curating the experience the stans of JC got so tilted at the name of the tag that they decided that they would come into the tag and continue the fight instead of just blocking it. Twitter fallout made the fighting worse. And now we have come full circle to the JC stans once again telling people to just use the anti tag or make their own tag.

[orpheus-lament]

Unwanted gifts to last you a lifetime

[mxtxfanatic]

Jc stans: Jiang Cheng should have adopted A-Yuan, he would have been a great uncle to the kid!

People who read: Jiang Cheng would have killed A-Yuan had he been given the chance. He is said to have “no love in him” the moment lovable A-Yuan runs to greet him. He tells Wei Wuxian to return A-Yuan and the rest of the Wen remnants to the labor camps, with his “mercy” being that he’ll turn a blind eye if Wei Wuxian decides to sneak a few away. After Wei Wuxian refuses, he leads a siege that kills all of the Wen remnants. A-Yuan escapes the same fate only because his loved ones successfully hid him away beforehand. Even if A-Yuan was somehow not a Wen, Jiang Cheng hates everything associated with Wei Wuxian, as well. He tortures random people who remind him of his former martial brother, and he tears down the building in Lotus Pier that used to hold Wei Wuxian’s room. And finally, Jiang Cheng is an abusive guardian to Jin Ling, his only living blood relative. He would never adopt A-Yuan.

Jc stans: Welll! Well! Did you ever think about how Wei Wuxian uses the resentment of CHILDREN for revenge?!?!? Sounds pretty demented to me 😤

[thatswhatsushesaid]

so far my favourite unhinged response to my habitual observation of "it's weird that no one on this subreddit can make a single neutral-to-neutral-positive post about jiang cheng or jin guangyao without summoning the antagonist haters like bloody mary at a 90s kid's slumber party" is "you obviously don't know where you are. you don't understand reddit. no one owes anyone else GOOD VIBES ONLY. maybe we went overboard with these posts but we're just stating FACTS"

like. at least you admitted that you went overboard. we'll get to the rest later but, you know, baby steps.

[qiu-yan]

ngl i think a lot of jiang cheng discourse dovetails around whether the op thinks jiang fengmian was a decent parent or not

[jiangwanyinscatmom]

The obsession of JC Stans with Wei Wuxian needing to give back to Jiang Cheng, for the audience or for a "happier ending", learning what he did is major irony when he finally sacrifices and uses his own VERY WELL OFF ADULT POSITION for Jin Ling who is more vulnerable than he is. He did get his happy ending which is owning up to what he can do and actively using his position for once for someone else to tell them not to fuck with Jin Ling.

His happy end is Jin Ling's wellbeing. Not his own. For fucking once and finally.

As well as not dictating Jin Ling's life and constantly telling him why he is failing he lets the child learn and grow into his own talents. Unlike what Jiang Cheng's own hang ups had been. He knows he's not a good uncle and why he lets Jin Ling gravitate to Wei Wuxian without interference. Especially after the failures of his own mother that he took after and it having taken 13 years for him to overcome her shadow and hate that she instilled into him.

His moniker in itself is his arc and overcoming the ignorance, jealousy and anger and giving without gain for someone he is supposed to care so much about. None of this needs to be at the expenses of association between him and Wei Wuxian again and is a disservice to what his character is.

[tenmastrousers]

Happy Pride 2024!!!! ❤️

[purpiesaint]

As bad as YZY is for Jiang Cheng I think Jiang Cheng has far more daddy issues then mommy issues.

With his mother, as awful as she is to Jiang Cheng he always knows where he stands with her. When she’s upset with him he’ll know why. He’s upset by her, hurt by doesn’t stay up at night thinking about it.

But with JFM he’ll never know where he stands with him, what can he do to make JFM like him. He agonises on why his father doesn’t like him. He wants his father to like him so fucking badly.

If anyone has mommy issues more it’s likely Yanli and WWX than Jiang Cheng

[s2pdoktopus]

Meeting the perfect girl

[twistedappletree]

AU where Jin Ling and Ouyang Zizhen meet when they’re babies and Jin Ling keeps making fun of him for reading cheesy, sappy romance stories but secretly looks over his shoulder to read them too and whenever he sees Jiang Cheng talking to another adult, he tries to ‘help’ him court them by randomly cutting in with unhinged sentences like “jiujiu is single because he’s never slayed a dragon” or “jiujiu isn’t married because he hasn’t kissed any frogs”

[shiqingxuanz]

THE UNTAMED: EPISODE 28