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忘羡 By Yasuko

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Little Mushroom is such a brutal novel, my god.

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Another thing unlimited flow novels seem to love aside from mommy issues: co-dependent twin brothers (where one dies a horrifically traumatizing-to-the-surviving-twin death).

Is it like a requirement that an unlimited flow novel have a male protagonist with mommy issues? Cause three out of four that I've read had major plot surrounding an MC's mommy issues.

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Just realized that you could write a canon-compliant, Wei Wuxian-centric fic with no mention, allusion, or reference to Jiang Cheng, but you couldn’t write a canon-compliant, Jiang Cheng-centric fic without bringing up Wei Wuxian, and I just think this sums up their characters so neatly.

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I know svsss has a lot of funny, unserious moments and it’s one of the things that makes it so beloved by its fandom, but I hate how a lot of the serious moments—particularly between bingqiu—are turned into jokes or fetishes by the fandom. Like damn, I thought this was the svsss fandom, not the pidw fandom.

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Wei WuXian in a nutshell

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Anyway, in this world, we aspire to be Wenren É's of literature analysis, not Baili Qingmiao's that the plot has strangled into being purposefully stupid towards the scum deadbeat men.

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New year, and I still do not feel sympathy for Shen Jiu despite his very sad backstory. It does not negate that he chose to be an awful person and make Luo Binghe's life hell simply because he was jealous a child's potential and that he had a loving mother he spoke well of.

There is a reason why Shen Qingqiu desperately tries to comfort the memory of Luo Binghe, despite having full access to Shen Jiu's memory and why he did what he did, because whatever that past may be, does not excuse what he did and treated Luo Binghe. Shen Jiu may have had self loathing, but so what when that hate was used to lash out at others, and his end was due to his own making. A sad backstory is all that he had, and that doesn't carry you far when you treat others as lesser.

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(Me about The Villain Has Something to Say…)

Okay but like where is my Qi Ye official English hard copy, sevenseas, Rosmei and now Haitang....

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Canonically, do you think Lan Wangji can be a good liar when he wants to be? Or is he really bad at lying?

"When he wants to be", I personally think Lan Wangji wouldn't want to be a liar. Does he have the capacity, I suppose, I think everyone does to a certain extent, but it isn't something he displays on page that I feel I can say he would do it himself.

Now omission is not lying, which he does use as a skill. But even then his omissions are his own feelings regarding Wei Wuxian, and keeping Lan Sizhui's origins known to himself, Lan Xichen and Lan Qiren to keep Lan Sizhui's own happiness unburdened with the adoption if him into the Lan Clan. In those instances, to Wei Wuxian, he thought he had been rejected when he tried to confess to Wei Wuxian, and for Lan Sizhui, it wouldn't simply have been safe to reveal the child's origins or fair to inadvertently make a child feel indebted for being saved from a horrific circumstance his clan and community committed. But he never lied. He does tell the truth when prompted, and if he wants to divulge his own thoughts he does very readily when others do lie.

So,would he lie, no. I don't think he has the want or sees the point in that as he is succinct and prefers the practicality of truth. Would he be bad at it, not in the slightest, as he knows really well how to crack liars themselves and find the truth to do what he needs with those facts. He is simply not self serving enough to lie or use the short advantage it may give.

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Thank you @lavender-phoenix-flames (and @jiangwanyinscatmom and @halenhusky309 , but they were first)!

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Ah, I thought you had moved on from talking about the other adaptations when you got to the brothers comment, so my bad. It’s just my policy now that if I see a common fanon in a meta commentary, I address it first to get it out of the way 😅 Also for why I called that guanyin temple mention an analysis: I call anything pulled from the text to be used as evidence “ab analysis,” not just full meta. You analyzed that line to gain and understanding and told me what that understanding was. That’s it.

For the mianmian thing, since that seems to be the only thing still in contention, wwx has never lashed out at an innocent person just because of an injury, and he’s constantly said to be softer and kinder to women. He’s also already set up a relationship (relationship as in series of common interactions rather than a continued social connection) with Mianmian where he intentionally teases her to annoy her in order to get something out of her. Last time it was for the medicine pouch and this time was to disperse her self-blame. This is the definition of emotional intelligence, as he completely understands what she’s feeling and why she’s feeling it. And I’d say it worked because she goes in to become a stronger person who isn’t bogged down with guilt or the need to dedicate herself to him over a perceived debt he did not want. I’d even say that he was emotionally intelligent enough to even be able to tell from a single interaction that this was her personality, when he meets her and her family over a decade later, he notes that little mianmian’s personality is just like her mom’s as a kid.

Why does fandom act like wei wuxian kept it a secret that he was thrown into the burial mounds? He’s said it twice so far, and both times it’s been to jiang cheng (and once to lan wangji). Is this another frankencanon thing where people just can’t remember what’s been said in which adaptation vs. the novel?

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Hello mxtxfanatic, hope you're having a lovely day :)). Though once you've read the link I have sent to you, your day is gonna be ruined just a tiny little bit.

https://www.tumblr.com/snake-and-mouse/772604908966920192?source=share

Just a little warning, it's an outrageous post about Yu Ziyuan.

I would really like to hear your thoughts about the post. Enjoy 😉

You know what, anon? Since it appears I have this person blocked already and you describe this post as outrageous, I will have to pass on viewing it lol

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I don’t have access to my laptop that has all my posts on it, so bear with me. I agree with you that a lot of this discourse comes from people substituting themselves into what they feel like is the jc-wwx relationship, so they expect wwx to divulge all his trauma to jc because “well they’re brothers and I’d want my sibling to tell me things because I love my siblings, therefore jc must love wwx and want the same.” However, I don’t agree with anything else, because I think that this is a misreading of wwx’s character and the scenes listed. For one: jc and wwx are not brothers, no, not even adopted. Wwx was not adopted. They do not see each other as brothers and are never shown in the novel to view each other that way. Jc and wwx have a friendship that devolved almost completely into a superior/subordinate relationship that then ended the moment wwx defected from the Jiang.

I say this in a later response in this very post thread, but everything post-fall of lotus pier isn’t about whether wwx wants to share his hurts but whether he can. We see pre-fall wwx complain about hurts and injuries all the time, with friends and strangers alike. So to that, jyl not wanting to answer a personal question about love has nothing to do with whether or not wwx would share his pains with her, because her aversion to the romance question is about her avoiding her own hurts surrounding jzx, not wanting to brush wwx off. Wwx wasn’t asking about romance for himself but about her feelings about it, because he wanted to understand why and how she could continue to like jzx despite his mistreatment of her. Jyl is allowed to brush that off, and wwx is fine with her having done so. On the other hand, wwx can’t share his post-fall traumas with jyl (or anyone else) outside of being upset about the Jiang Clan massacre because anything else would invite her to ask questions that could lead to revealing the golden core exchange. He can’t allow that to happen.

Moving on, wwx isn’t “annoyed” with mianmian for crying. Mianmian isn’t crying over having almost been injured; she’s crying because wwx got injured by taking a hit meant for her. He’s trying to tease her out of her hysteria by purposely misattributing what’s actually upset her, which is that she feels responsible for his injury—an injury that is not her fault and he does not want her to self-blame for.

And finally, to your point about wwx not accepting jc’s apology: a running theme in the novel is debts owed and repaid through verbal and non-verbal acknowledgements. Lwj takes issue with wwx thanking him because he takes it as wwx acknowledging owing him a debt. Wen Qing and Wen Ning have that same idea around thanking and apologizing. The part that’s missing from your guanyin temple scene analysis is right after wwx refuses jc’s apology, the narration says that there has been so many bad events between them that one can’t know who is truly at fault, i.e. who really owes who. Wwx isn’t brushing off jc because he doesn’t care about things that jc did or doesn’t want to revisit his traumas, but because to accept jc’s apology would mean that wwx is accepting a debt from jc, continuing their debtor-debtee relationship when all wwx wants is to finally be free of any and all entanglements with the other man. It would also be shameless behavior completely ooc for wwx.

What’s not ooc for wwx to do is express his hurts and seek comfort. We literally see him do this all the time with lwj and with jyl in some early flashbacks. The few times he holds in his pains are when the situation makes it inappropriate for him to seek attention over them—such as when he brushes off his brand in the cave because he feels like lwj’s broken and chewed on leg is more urgent, the situation with mianmian, or when lwj gets upset at him for taking on jin ling’s curse mark. Of these three examples, in 2 of them, wwx didn’t even remember his injury because he’s been distracted by a more pressing matter. Outside of that, he looks for validation and comfort from those he cares about, and there’s nothing about him being “socialized as a man to not dwell on his emotions” that prevents this. Remembering the good and not dwelling on what others owe you ≠ not dwelling on your emotions wholesale.

Why does fandom act like wei wuxian kept it a secret that he was thrown into the burial mounds? He’s said it twice so far, and both times it’s been to jiang cheng (and once to lan wangji). Is this another frankencanon thing where people just can’t remember what’s been said in which adaptation vs. the novel?

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Saw this amongst a ton of similar comments and. Maybe Airplane Shooting Towards the Sky was right in not revealing that backstory /hj.

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Good afternoon. Have you read "All For the Game"?

I haven’t.

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Yeah but once again, none of this needed explanation. Wwx never needed to explain why he didn’t carry his sword; jc needed to grow a spine and stop taking other people’s very obvious malicious slander as leadership advice. The reason why jc listens to others slandering wwx (and himself!) is because he agrees with their words, not because wwx’s “lack of communication” has led to some sort of misunderstanding. He believes that wwx is acting uppity! He believes that he needs to reign wwx in or risk being overshadowed again! No amount of “excellent communication skills” was gonna ease or solve anything because on top of jc’s raging inferiority complex, the problem was always that jc and wwx simply do not have the same morals or compatible personalities. Wwx was willing to “subordinate” himself to jc only so much as he viewed his friendship with jc as meaningful and their relationship as fulfilling his debt to jfm, but even then, there was never a time where wwx actively dimmed himself—before or after the fall of lotus pier—to prop jc up. The moment those things were no longer in play, though, wwx was fine with cutting their relationship off.

Let me put it another way: imagine that you and I are friends. One day, I chop all my hair off without warning or explanation and go completely bald. Some randos decide to start shit-talking me, and you come to me with what they’ve said and tell me I need to grow my hair out again because it makes you look bad to be known as my friend while I’m bald. Is the problem in our friendship that I didn’t seek your prior approval or give you an explanation beforehand about why I went bald, or is the problem that you, my friend, sided with my bullies and attempted to force me to conform to their wishes?

And no, I don’t see where wwx was holding out hope that jc would help him with the Wen remnants situation, because if he truly expected jc’s help, he would’ve taken them all to Lotus Pier and not hidden out in Yiling beside Yunmeng and not told jc anything. Hell, he could’ve just taken Wen Qing directly to jc when he found her, but he didn’t. I don’t think that jc and wwx pre-defection weren’t close, per say, but that closeness doesn’t mean that wwx was delusional about who jc was as a person.

Why does fandom act like wei wuxian kept it a secret that he was thrown into the burial mounds? He’s said it twice so far, and both times it’s been to jiang cheng (and once to lan wangji). Is this another frankencanon thing where people just can’t remember what’s been said in which adaptation vs. the novel?