#Gender Segregation

[roomwithavoid]

trans people in sports/bathrooms

[leftistfeminista]

In Kerala India, women formed a nearly 400 mile long "wall" of between 3 to 5 million women, organized in part by the Communist Party of India (marxist), as they fight for gender equality in India and against religious gender segregation

[whereserpentswalk]

A lot of your posts made me uncomfortable. How does a cis woman just tell you to leave her alone? It's OK to say "no" to things.

As I said before. You are not the first to be made uncomfortable by desegregation.

If you do not want to use desegregated bathrooms, simply do not use public bathrooms. You don't get to exclude a group from public life just because you want to be able to experience public life without them.

I don't even believe there should be rules about nonsexual nudity in public for this reason. It's not inherently harmful for you to see the human body.

[ivygorgon]

AN OPEN LETTER to STATE GOVERNORS & LEGISLATURES (ALASKA ONLY)

Reconsider HB 183 for Inclusive School Athletics

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HB 183, which proposes segregating school athletics based on biological sex, raises significant concerns about the potential harm it could inflict on children. This approach lacks scientific backing and may inadvertently subject students to invasive scrutiny, including the risk of inappropriate inspections. It is imperative that we prioritize the safety and well-being of all students above all else.

Moreover, HB 183 echoes past mistakes made by administrations that were overly focused on perceived threats from the LGBTQ community, while neglecting actual dangers within local communities. For instance, scandals involving institutions like the Catholic Church and the Boy Scouts of America highlight the grave consequences of such misguided priorities.

Therefore, I strongly urge reconsideration of HB 183. Instead of implementing policies that could harm vulnerable students, let us work towards fostering inclusive environments where all children can participate in sports with their peers, regardless of their sex. By promoting inclusivity and respect, we can create safer and more equitable opportunities for all students to thrive.

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[cazort]

this phenomenon exists for pretty much any subset of people. like every subculture has its own beauty standards.

and if you are seriously trying to attract people in a specific subculture on the basis of how you look, you'll need to conform to their beauty standards (at least to a degree.)

there's a parallel between what straight women and straight men experience here too. I've seen plenty of examples too of straight women complaining that men don't find them attractive after putting a ton of effort into their appearance, when the men in question might not value any of the things they put effort into at all.

it's not really related to straightness at all, either. it's more a function of segregation. it just happens less with gay people for the simple fact that gay people belong to the gender they are attracted to, so they tend to be less segregated from the people they're attracted to.

gender segregation is what leads straight people to experience this disconnect. but it has nothing to do with straightness and everything to do with segregation. subcultures of straight people that are well-integrated by gender such that people have friends of both binary genders don't have this problem.

straight men have beauty standards for men that are completely different than the beauty standards women and gay men have for men and then they get mad when they conform to the beauty standards other podcast bros set for them and women still don’t find them attractive

[autumnalhappiness]

I've been catching up on the news recently to find something saddening. There are so many hate crimes going on, racial profiling and discrimination, persecution of religious minorities, language-based hate speech, ageism, and even gender-based violence. The worst part is that these situations were caused by differences that nobody can change. It's caused so much harm to people who never asked for it.

One of the most important things to remember is to respect others, not because they share your race or beliefs, but because we're all human. It doesn't mean you have to change yourself, it just means that basic respect is crucial. Please remember this guys!

[im-the-antonymph-of-your-mom]

Maybe the solution is that all men's restrooms have no good reason to exist and most women's restrooms have no good reason to exist.

[tjeromebaker]

Reseña | Rompiendo Estereotipos: La Capacidad de Cuidado de los Niños en Trabajos Feminizados

Reseña: Gender Segregation in Culturally Feminized Work: Theory and Evidence of Boys’ Capacity for Care” escrito por Angelica Puzio y Timothy Valshtein, publicado en Psychology of Men & Masculinities, 2022, Vol. 23, No. 3, 271–284, https://doi.org/10.1037/men0000397. Resumen del Artículo El artículo “Gender Segregation in Culturally Feminized Work: Theory and Evidence of Boys’ Capacity for…

[ftmtftm]

You all realize Feminists have been critiquing "women only spaces" for decades right?

I think often about Audre Lorde's critique of a women only event that welcomed her wife and daughter, but not her son. Because she questioned it - the function and purpose of barring even the sons of Feminist women from Feminist events. Especially the barring of her young Black son, who would otherwise be left alone in the city where he would be more prone to the very violence those same Feminist women claimed to want to change.

Because what functional, forward thinking Feminist purpose does it actually serve to do that? What message does that send to women with sons, husbands, brothers, lovers, friends, who want to involve the men and boys in their lives in their activism? Who want to build a functionally better world for us all outside of the oppressive grasp of Patriarchy? Especially for the marginalized men who often sit at their own intersection violent Patriarchal oppression, that still happens to be Patriarchal oppression despite it not being distinctly misogyny?

What purpose does it truly serve to sequester yourself away into a pocket of the world, detached from those you share it with? What bright and shining future does that really promise you?

[renthony]

It's real fucked up how many queer people dread Pride season due to both systemic queerphobia and queer infighting. Pride season always rockets up my anxiety, and I know I'm not the only one.

This shit sucks, y'all. We gotta support each other more than the queerphobes hate us. I'm not saying we have to love each other, I'm not saying we even have to like each other, but we cannot keep subdividing communities, circulating callouts, and dogpiling each other over who has it worse. That shit will kill us all.

We cannot keep thinking of our individual experiences with bigotry as, "I know [xyz kind of queer] has it worse, but...", and we cannot keep looking at other experiences with bigotry as, "that's bad, but [abc kind of queer] still has it worse," when the reality is that we are all being targeted. It's all bad! It all deserves to be talked about and fought against without trying to put it in some kind of hierarchy! Hierarchies are not fucking helpful here!

Some fucking unity, please.

[demi-raven]

Click here for the rest of the article, a very good summary.

[alianoralacanta]

As recently as 10 years ago, I competed in a swimming competition where men and women raced together. Medals were given out for each race, and decisions on who went in each race were based purely on entry times (except for one set of races for people with such severe physical disabilities that putting them in the standard racing pool would have been dangerous. They all swam together, in a shallower pool, with appropriate adaptations according to their disabilities). This formal performance banding worked very well. What doesn't work is throwing all competitors together and only awarding medals for the top three of the last race. 22 years ago, I was at such a swimming gala. The resentment it caused among people who were swimming their very best and had no chance of a medal was huge. This was not because men almost exclusively occupied the fastest races at each distance and stroke. The successful mixed gala had that too. The issue was that, by making only one race have a reward, instead of all of them, it falsely handled the other races. It cheapened swimmers' efforts. It pretended that putting heart and soul into those races was worthless, that only six competitors in each distance and stroke should have bothered to attend. Misplaced elitism is misogynistic. Disrespect of athletes' efforts causes far more problems than allowing genders to compete mixed would have done. Which was why the men I saw were as happy as the women when the bronze medal in the last race of the inappropriately elitist gala was won by a woman. (Single-seater motorsport has an informal performance banding system as well. A messy, imperfect, money-orientated one, but it does exist in the sense that people are encouraged to be in the series indicated by their speed, or at least as close to it as they can afford. This is why advancing the cause of women in single-seater motorsport is better done by finding ways to integrate more women into the usual series than by creating a misplaced elitist separate series). * - There was a "speeding ticket" rule whereby anyone who broke their entry time by more than 15% - which at that level wasn't rare even when people were entered with their record at that distance and stroke - was disqualified but allowed to use that time in any swimming competition requiring a verified time for entry. This ensured people did not get put in races that were slower than their true pace to collect medals. A side effect of this was that these swimming galas were the only walk of life where (this particular type of) speeding tickets were considered a badge of honour.

do u remember when the wider feminist position on gendered sport was that we should abolish it, and that women's accomplishments can be measured side by side (& indeed, neck and neck) with men's? what the fuck happened to that? (*whispering* i know what happened. it was the terf movement.)

[whereserpentswalk]

Hi, I saw one of your latest posts talking about the gender "segregation" where you state that women's only spaces shouldn't exist. So, if that was actually real, do you think me, a cis lesbian woman, should I be using a changing room or a bathroom used also by people with penises?

I would feel very uncomfortable being naked near someone who is biologically a male and I have the right to say no, no matter how they react, cis women's feelings matter too and nobody can tell me when I should be uncomfortable, same thing goes for sports, cis women could get physically hurt if a biological male played against them and this had already happened in a school in the US.

This more confirms how you far left activists don't care about us

I do not care about people's disgust when it comes to means of segregation. Do you think that during the 1960s there was no white person who felt uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with someone with dark skin when desegregation hit bathrooms and locker rooms? Do you think there's no white person who feels that way now (hell, a big reason American suberbs are a thing is that it allows white people to live in white only places post civil rights laws)?

How is your desire to feel comfortable through segregation any diffrent? There is a group you feel uncomfortable with in a space so you want it segregated, I suggest you either not use that space or find a way to be more comfortable. Society may have a responsibility for you to be safe, but there is no responsibility for you to feel safe.

And do you think nobody wants to be segregated away from you? You're literally a queer person, there are people who do not want you in public because of the exact same uncomfortablity with you. You probably have way more in common with trans people than most cis people do. If many people were allowed to remove what makes them uncomfortable from society, you would be forced into the closet. This isn't a hypothetical, the same people pushing for removal of trans people from society have same sex relationships as their next target.

Uncomfortablity is not something society can or should protect you from.

[a-polite-melody]

It’d be nice if people realized that changing the narrative from

“trans women are men invading women’s spaces; they need nothing from here because women’s spaces are things like women’s bathrooms or obgyns and mammograms and abortion clinics and other medical spaces”

to

“trans men are men invading women’s spaces; they need nothing from here because women’s spaces are things like women’s bathrooms or book clubs and shelters and safe spaces and other social spaces”

will still only promote transvestigation.

That’s why we need to stop gender-segregating spaces. Because that harms all trans people, always, but also if your focus is on specifically trans women it will always harm specifically trans women. That harm will come because there will be people who feel they must look out for invaders in their spaces.

[kiitoskiitos]

You are my best friend, till the fucking world ends.

[snazzymolasses]

Another problem of gender segregation that has nothing to do with trans issues is what do fathers with young daughters do when they need to use the public bathroom?

Nobody freaks out when a woman takes her 4-year-old son into the women's room. Women are expected to be caregivers and nobody's going to claim a 4-year-old is a 'man'.

Now what about a father with a 4-year-old daughter who needs to use the potty at Target?

Can he, a scary man, go into the women's restroom!?!? Or should he take his 'innocent' 4-year-old little girl into the men's room where she can see possibly dozens of scary men who are actively peeing? Or should he send the 4-year-old into the women's room alone...even though she's just started to learn how to potty and still needs help?

And while we're at it, at what age should a woman start sending her son into public restrooms alone? Is a 10-year-old boy safe in a train station men's bathroom alone?

Most NORMAL people recognize these dilemmas and allow an 'exception' for children of the 'wrong' gender to be in the 'wrong' bathroom- and nobody has gotten hurt by this! People have been doing it since public bathrooms became a thing! People recognize the need for young children to be with an adult while going potty and don't bat an eye if the parent and child are different genders, therefore making one of them be in the 'wrong' bathroom.

So if you can handle the idea of a father taking his little daughter into the men's room to help her go potty, and of alllllllllll the grown men she saw in the bathroom, and SHE was JUST FINE, then why can't you, a grown-ass ADULT woman, handle the sight of ONE 'man' in your bathroom?'

In that case, grow the fuck down. Get the mental resiliency of a toddler, please.

you know i think i’ve come to the conclusion that the answer to “but what if a cis woman is traumatized by men/male presenting people/whatever?” irt safe spaces is this: if you can’t be in the same room with someone you assume to be male or a man without feeling triggered, it probably means you have a lot more solo therapy and healing to do before relying on group therapy or other communal healing.

because how do you decide who gets to stay and who gets kicked out based on a cis woman’s trauma response? is it based on appearance? should intersex women with facial hair not be allowed because beards are triggering? should butches and studs not be allowed because masculinity is triggering? should talk broad shouldered trans women who don’t want to voice train not be allowed because low voices are triggering? is it based on identity? should a pre transition trans man who came out two days ago not be allowed because he’s a man? is a nonbinary person with a full beard and deep voice allowed because they are not a man?

because if you base your entire set of rules for who’s not allowed in the safe space on what makes cis women uncomfortable or triggers them, you’ve just made that space unsafe for trans people. and you need to decide if you’re ready to own that.